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Hi-Fi55
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Re: Hillary Clinton
Posted by Beth1210
George Bush SR wasn't the best president- but that didn't stop 1/2 the country for voting for his son- and not even the smart one
this all comes done to her being a her
I don't even think Bill would be that involved with her presidencey- he is very busy hanging out with Bush SR -(and I like that only b/c it makes Bush Jr mad)
I don't care that Hillary is female. If people on this board, which is what 98% female are not voting for her because she is a female than don't you think that is a little bit strange? 
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Re: Hillary Clinton
Posted by Hi-Fi55
Posted by Beth1210
George Bush SR wasn't the best president- but that didn't stop 1/2 the country for voting for his son- and not even the smart one
this all comes done to her being a her
I don't even think Bill would be that involved with her presidencey- he is very busy hanging out with Bush SR -(and I like that only b/c it makes Bush Jr mad)
I don't care that Hillary is female. If people on this board, which is what 98% female are not voting for her because she is a female than don't you think that is a little bit strange?
I am not talking about people on this boards- most of said we would vote for her- if you read the whole thing
even my husband said he would vote for her
I am talking about the rest of the country
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JenniferEver
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Re: Hillary Clinton
On the Bush/Clinton debate.
You can't blame any president for any of our nation's major problems, every presidency has dealt with things in its own way and inherited problems and positive momentum from the prior presidencies. We are still feeling repurcussions of many presidencies from Washington to FDR to Nixon to Reagan to Bush I.
It's extremely short-sighted and far too convenient to blame the 9.11 attacks on G.W Bush, Bill Clinton, George H.W Bush, Reagan or any president. Who is to say that had any of them made a slightly different decision, things would not be 1000000x worse? We just don't know.
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| Posted 1/22/07 2:56 PM |
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Beth
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Re: Hillary Clinton
Posted by JenniferEver
On the Bush/Clinton debate.
You can't blame any president for any of our nation's major problems, every presidency has dealt with things in its own way and inherited problems and positive momentum from the prior presidencies. We are still feeling repurcussions of many presidencies from Washington to FDR to Nixon to Reagan to Bush I.
It's extremely short-sighted and far too convenient to blame the 9.11 attacks on G.W Bush, Bill Clinton, George H.W Bush, Reagan or any president. Who is to say that had any of them made a slightly different decision, things would not be 1000000x worse? We just don't know.
I totally agree with you- whose to say that killing Osama would have even stopped the attacks on 9/11- killing him could have even made them worse
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Re: Hillary Clinton
Posted by Beth1210
I wish the Monica L scandal was the worst we had seen with Bush- I don't think you need me to go thru the list do you? Bush should have been impeached along time ago
I'm not a regular poster her (though I lurke) and while I do not like to involve myself in political debates b/c I find they tend to turn into pissing matches, I'd like to address the comment made about GW being impeached.
It's fine if you think GW should be impeached for whatever it is you think he should be impeached for. I just think if there ever was a president who should have been impeached, it is Bill Clinton.
He lied on the stand. His words, "I did NOT have sex with that woman" were a lie and the last time I checked, lying in a court of law is purjury. Now if anyone else (who's not the president or someone famous) did that, they would have been arrested and held in contemp of court, yet he wasn't. I would think a president who is blatently caught in a lie on the stand, who openly breaks the law should be impeached.
Maybe if we held all our public officals to that kind of standard we'd have fewer snakes in DC. JMHO...
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| Posted 1/22/07 3:38 PM |
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Beth
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Re: Hillary Clinton
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by Beth1210
I wish the Monica L scandal was the worst we had seen with Bush- I don't think you need me to go thru the list do you? Bush should have been impeached along time ago
I'm not a regular poster her (though I lurke) and while I do not like to involve myself in political debates b/c I find they tend to turn into pissing matches, I'd like to address the comment made about GW being impeached.
It's fine if you think GW should be impeached for whatever it is you think he should be impeached for. I just think if there ever was a president who should have been impeached, it is Bill Clinton.
He lied on the stand. His words, "I did NOT have sex with that woman" were a lie and the last time I checked, lying in a court of law is purjury. Now if anyone else (who's not the president or someone famous) did that, they would have been arrested and held in contemp of court, yet he wasn't. I would think a president who is blatently caught in a lie on the stand, who openly breaks the law should be impeached.
Maybe if we held all our public officals to that kind of standard we'd have fewer snakes in DC. JMHO...
lying about having sex with monica- vs lying about WMDs- not even in the same universe
destroying Iraq over something that was never there- that he knew was never there- how can you even compare that to what Clinton did- you think he is the only president to cheat on his wife? yeah right
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Hi-Fi55
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Re: Hillary Clinton
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by Hi-Fi55
Posted by Beth1210
George Bush SR wasn't the best president- but that didn't stop 1/2 the country for voting for his son- and not even the smart one
this all comes done to her being a her
I don't even think Bill would be that involved with her presidencey- he is very busy hanging out with Bush SR -(and I like that only b/c it makes Bush Jr mad)
I don't care that Hillary is female. If people on this board, which is what 98% female are not voting for her because she is a female than don't you think that is a little bit strange?
I am not talking about people on this boards- most of said we would vote for her- if you read the whole thing
even my husband said he would vote for her
I am talking about the rest of the country
It didn't seem like the reasons that people gave for not voting for her were because she was female. And yes I did read the whole thing.
Maybe if more people knew her achievements....maybe if she had some....then she would get their vote. But really what does she have besides her name.
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HoneyBadger
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Re: Hillary Clinton
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by Jennie0898
Posted by Beth1210
I wish the Monica L scandal was the worst we had seen with Bush- I don't think you need me to go thru the list do you? Bush should have been impeached along time ago
I'm not a regular poster her (though I lurke) and while I do not like to involve myself in political debates b/c I find they tend to turn into pissing matches, I'd like to address the comment made about GW being impeached.
It's fine if you think GW should be impeached for whatever it is you think he should be impeached for. I just think if there ever was a president who should have been impeached, it is Bill Clinton.
He lied on the stand. His words, "I did NOT have sex with that woman" were a lie and the last time I checked, lying in a court of law is purjury. Now if anyone else (who's not the president or someone famous) did that, they would have been arrested and held in contemp of court, yet he wasn't. I would think a president who is blatently caught in a lie on the stand, who openly breaks the law should be impeached.
Maybe if we held all our public officals to that kind of standard we'd have fewer snakes in DC. JMHO...
lying about having sex with monica- vs lying about WMDs- not even in the same universe
destroying Iraq over something that was never there- that he knew was never there- how can you even compare that to what Clinton did- you think he is the only president to cheat on his wife? yeah right
Personally, I don't think he lied about the WMD...I think the UN dragged their feet and gave Iraq enough time to clear house.
We were attacked while Clinton was in power (USS COLE) he did nothing about it. Basically we were walked all over, that's being a great president? Not in my book.
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HoneyBadger
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Re: Hillary Clinton
Posted by Hi-Fi55
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by Hi-Fi55
Posted by Beth1210
George Bush SR wasn't the best president- but that didn't stop 1/2 the country for voting for his son- and not even the smart one
this all comes done to her being a her
I don't even think Bill would be that involved with her presidencey- he is very busy hanging out with Bush SR -(and I like that only b/c it makes Bush Jr mad)
I don't care that Hillary is female. If people on this board, which is what 98% female are not voting for her because she is a female than don't you think that is a little bit strange?
I am not talking about people on this boards- most of said we would vote for her- if you read the whole thing
even my husband said he would vote for her
I am talking about the rest of the country
It didn't seem like the reasons that people gave for not voting for her were because she was female. And yes I did read the whole thing.
Maybe if more people knew her achievements....maybe if she had some....then she would get their vote. But really what does she have besides her name.
Her achievements?? What like when she turned down meeting with the Gold Star Mothers? Yeah, great move Hillary. 
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Re: Hillary Clinton
Posted by Jennie0898
Her achievements?? What like when she turned down meeting with the Gold Star Mothers? Yeah, great move Hillary.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/goldstar.asp
snopes, as well as several other sources I came across on the internet says that is false
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Re: Hillary Clinton
Posted by Jennie0898
It's fine if you think GW should be impeached for whatever it is you think he should be impeached for. I just think if there ever was a president who should have been impeached, it is Bill Clinton.
impeach:
To make an accusation against.
To charge (a public official) with improper conduct in office before a proper tribunal.
Bill Clinton WAS impeached, but not convicted. You can read all about it here
The Senate voted on the Articles of Impeachment on February 12, with a two-thirds majority, or 67 Senators, required to convict. On Article I, that charged that the President "...willfully provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury" and made "...corrupt efforts to influence the testimony of witnesses and to impede the discovery of evidence" in the Paula Jones lawsuit, the President was found not guilty with 45 Senators voting for the President's removal from office and 55 against.
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HoneyBadger
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Re: Hillary Clinton
Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq
Thursday, June 22, 2006
E-MAIL STORY RESPOND TO EDITOR PRINTER FRIENDLY VERSION
WASHINGTON — The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.
"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.
Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."
• Click here to read the declassified portion of the NGIC report.
He added that the report warns about the hazards that the chemical weapons could still pose to coalition troops in Iraq.
"The purity of the agents inside the munitions depends on many factors, including the manufacturing process, potential additives and environmental storage conditions. While agents degrade over time, chemical warfare agents remain hazardous and potentially lethal," Santorum read from the document.
"This says weapons have been discovered, more weapons exist and they state that Iraq was not a WMD-free zone, that there are continuing threats from the materials that are or may still be in Iraq," said Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
The weapons are thought to be manufactured before 1991 so they would not be proof of an ongoing WMD program in the 1990s. But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions.
Hoekstra said the report, completed in April but only declassified now, shows that "there is still a lot about Iraq that we don't fully understand."
Asked why the Bush administration, if it had known about the information since April or earlier, didn't advertise it, Hoekstra conjectured that the president has been forward-looking and concentrating on the development of a secure government in Iraq.
Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.
"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."
The official said the findings did raise questions about the years of weapons inspections that had not resulted in locating the fairly sizeable stash of chemical weapons. And he noted that it may say something about Hussein's intent and desire. The report does suggest that some of the weapons were likely put on the black market and may have been used outside Iraq.
He also said that the Defense Department statement shortly after the March 2003 invasion saying that "we had all known weapons facilities secured," has proven itself to be untrue.
"It turned out the whole country was an ammo dump," he said, adding that on more than one occasion, a conventional weapons site has been uncovered and chemical weapons have been discovered mixed within them.
Hoekstra and Santorum lamented that Americans were given the impression after a 16-month search conducted by the Iraq Survey Group that the evidence of continuing research and development of weapons of mass destruction was insignificant. But the National Ground Intelligence Center took up where the ISG left off when it completed its report in November 2004, and in the process of collecting intelligence for the purpose of force protection for soldiers and sailors still on the ground in Iraq, has shown that the weapons inspections were incomplete, they and others have said.
"We know it was there, in place, it just wasn't operative when inspectors got there after the war, but we know what the inspectors found from talking with the scientists in Iraq that it could have been cranked up immediately, and that's what Saddam had planned to do if the sanctions against Iraq had halted and they were certainly headed in that direction," said Fred Barnes, editor of The Weekly Standard and a FOX News contributor.
"It is significant. Perhaps, the administration just, they think they weathered the debate over WMD being found there immediately and don't want to return to it again because things are otherwise going better for them, and then, I think, there's mindless resistance to releasing any classified documents from Iraq," Barnes said.
The release of the declassified materials comes as the Senate debates Democratic proposals to create a timetable for U.S. troops to withdraw from Iraq. The debate has had the effect of creating disunity among Democrats, a majority of whom shrunk Wednesday from an amendment proposed by Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts to have troops to be completely withdrawn from Iraq by the middle of next year.
At the same time, congressional Republicans have stayed highly united, rallying around a White House that has seen successes in the last couple weeks, first with the death of terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, then the completion of the formation of Iraq's Cabinet and then the announcement Tuesday that another key Al Qaeda in Iraq leader, "religious emir" Mansour Suleiman Mansour Khalifi al-Mashhadani, or Sheik Mansour, was also killed in a U.S. airstrike.
Santorum pointed out that during Wednesday's debate, several Senate Democrats said that no weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, a claim, he said, that the declassified document proves is untrue.
"This is an incredibly — in my mind — significant finding. The idea that, as my colleagues have repeatedly said in this debate on the other side of the aisle, that there are no weapons of mass destruction, is in fact false," he said.
As a result of this new information, under the aegis of his chairmanship, Hoekstra said he is going to ask for more reporting by the various intelligence agencies about weapons of mass destruction.
"We are working on the declassification of the report. We are going to do a thorough search of what additional reports exist in the intelligence community. And we are going to put additional pressure on the Department of Defense and the folks in Iraq to more fully pursue a complete investigation of what existed in Iraq before the war," Hoekstra said.
FOX News' Jim Angle and Sharon Kehnemui Liss contributed to this report.
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Re: Hillary Clinton
Posted by Jennie0898
Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.
"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."
did you read past the title?
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Gertyrae
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Re: Hillary Clinton
First of all, the reason we "knew" there were WMD's in Iraq is WE SOLD THEM TO THEM!
Secondly, this all gets off the main topic...what exactly has Hilary done? For the state or the country. With all these posts, I haven't seen one example.
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Beth
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Re: Hillary Clinton
Posted by Gertyrae
First of all, the reason we "knew" there were WMD's in Iraq is WE SOLD THEM TO THEM!
Secondly, this all gets off the main topic...what exactly has Hilary done? For the state or the country. With all these posts, I haven't seen one example.
from page one-
for starters- when washing wanted to give NY peanuts after 9/11- she fought back for us
she also tired to get a fanastic woman's bill passed- but lost b/c of 2 republicans-
Senator Clinton has made homeland security one of her top issues following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in downtown New York City, especially regarding obtaining funding for recovery from the attacks and for improving security capabilities in the New York City area. She was audibly cheered and booed in an audience of New York firefighters and police officers during her on-stage appearance at The Concert for New York City on October 20, 2001. [37] Senator Clinton worked with Senator Schumer to secure $21.4 billion in funding to assist clean up and recovery, to provide health tracking for first responders and volunteers at Ground Zero, and to create grants for redevelopment. In 2005, Clinton issued two studies that examined the disbursement of federal homeland security funds to local communities and first responders.
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alnem
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Re: Hillary Clinton
It's about time she was running the country again!
ETA: but if it ever came down to Hillary or Giuliani...I'd vote for Giuliani!
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Gertyrae
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Re: Hillary Clinton
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by Gertyrae
First of all, the reason we "knew" there were WMD's in Iraq is WE SOLD THEM TO THEM!
Secondly, this all gets off the main topic...what exactly has Hilary done? For the state or the country. With all these posts, I haven't seen one example.
from page one-
for starters- when washing wanted to give NY peanuts after 9/11- she fought back for us
she also tired to get a fanastic woman's bill passed- but lost b/c of 2 republicans-
Senator Clinton has made homeland security one of her top issues following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in downtown New York City, especially regarding obtaining funding for recovery from the attacks and for improving security capabilities in the New York City area. She was audibly cheered and booed in an audience of New York firefighters and police officers during her on-stage appearance at The Concert for New York City on October 20, 2001. [37] Senator Clinton worked with Senator Schumer to secure $21.4 billion in funding to assist clean up and recovery, to provide health tracking for first responders and volunteers at Ground Zero, and to create grants for redevelopment. In 2005, Clinton issued two studies that examined the disbursement of federal homeland security funds to local communities and first responders.
Okay, so you say the same thing twice regarding getting the money after 9/11 and she worked with Schumer which anyone would have done.
What was the "fantastic women's bill" that didn't get passed? What would it have done.
And BTW, she's been senator for how long? And that's her resume? C'mon, you really want her to be your president?
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Beth
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Re: Hillary Clinton
Okay, so you say the same thing twice regarding getting the money after 9/11 and she worked with Schumer which anyone would have done.
What was the "fantastic women's bill" that didn't get passed? What would it have done.
And BTW, she's been senator for how long? And that's her resume? C'mon, you really want her to be your president?
what did bush do before he was president - besides bankrupt a few companies?
she has done plenty- I don't have time to list it all out
I think she would make a great president- alot of people said the same things about her when she ran for senate- and she won both times- by a landslide
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Hi-Fi55
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Re: Hillary Clinton
How much money did Hillary spend the 2nd time running for senate? That's right $36 million against a nobody. Everyone knew she was a shoe-in to win. Good thing she raised all that money.
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Re: Hillary Clinton
Posted by Beth1210
Okay, so you say the same thing twice regarding getting the money after 9/11 and she worked with Schumer which anyone would have done.
What was the "fantastic women's bill" that didn't get passed? What would it have done.
And BTW, she's been senator for how long? And that's her resume? C'mon, you really want her to be your president?
what did bush do before he was president - besides bankrupt a few companies?
she has done plenty- I don't have time to list it all out
I think she would make a great president- alot of people said the same things about her when she ran for senate- and she won both times- by a landslide
we're not talking about Bush here, I want to know what SHE has done for the state of NY - except for use us to get publiciy why didnt she move to Arkansas and become senator? Because she wouldnt get as much exposure...it has nothing to do with "helping" ny
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Pebbles
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Re: Hillary Clinton
She has done NOTHING for the country or the state of NY except run her big mouth with empty promises! After watching her when the president was speaking right after 9-11 and she had the nerve to roll her eyes and look like she wanted to be somewhere else was disgusting.
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Gertyrae
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Re: Hillary Clinton
Posted by Meaghan729
why didnt she move to Arkansas and become senator? Because she wouldnt get as much exposure...it has nothing to do with "helping" ny
She stated a long time ago that she was running for senator in NY because she would get more exposure that way and it would help her in a bid for president. One of the reasons I don't like her, she came here just to better her own position - not ours.
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