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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
That is what she says.... this whole situation has turned bizarre! I can't...
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
Posted by GinaBeana
His name is Chi Wei Wonghttp://dnn5.jgospel.net/Default.aspx?tabid=157&language=en-US
And yes, I do believe my aunt is her power of attorney (this is my great-aunt that is the patient).
I did make a complaint Acupuncture Board of NYSED (thanks to Ms.NrthShrGrl!)
My cousin is going to the practice today to speak with the dr.. because now, unbelievably, my aunt announced that she is MARRYING this guy. That spawns a whole new set of problems, being that she has a house that she can lose.. I can safely say that she is coming undone mentally now 
O good lord, those must be some amazing herbs.
I'd let your great-aunt's children know what is going on (you mentioned that your aunt might have POA) and your concerns. Your mom's mom or dad's ?
Second, if your aunt has POA, she should be able to put a block on your great-aunt's accounts so that she can only draw a certain amount of money per week (no way near the 2grand). If she stared seeing him in Feb, let's assume mid-month, she would have paid him $34,000 already (17 weeks x 2,000).
No one at the bank is questioning any unusual bank activity ?
Third, the POA might also cover medical issues. Check with great-aunt's regular doctor to find out if these "herbs" might be interfering with some of her regular meds. Was she a little off her rocker before she started seeing Dr. Wong ?
It really might be time to look into conservatorship ASAP.
eta : I have POA for my FIL and I looked over the form. If your great-aunt granted item P - full and unqualified authority, then there is item I - personal relationships and affairs that can be invoked if your great-aunt is serious about marrying Dr. Wong.
The POA does not grant any medical authority, hopefully someone in your family is granted access thru HIPPA or a health care proxy to discuss the herbs with her regular doctor.
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
This sounds like scam big time. Please let us know how it goes.
No wonder Dr. Wong is being paid the way he is.
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
That's pretty shit-ty if he's continuing to get paid by the person he's going to marry. She should be getting that for free!
ETA: Taken from his website -
It is apparent that he is as generous with his knowledge as his is as a father and husband. Dr. Wong takes incredible fulfillment in raising and providing for his wife and children. He describes his wife, Lai Tuen Chan, as the epitome of the perfect wife and mother in that she has an amazing ability to manage a business and household with such grace and ease. She is his greatest supporter and life partner.
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
Wow...this is a sad situation!
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| Posted 6/20/12 12:06 PM |
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
I seriously hope this is not the case but it sounds like he is promising to marry her to get her money.
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
I'm glad you filed a complaint with NYSED. I know in my profession, such behavior is unethical and we can lose our license for it. I hope all turns out ok with your aunt.
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
Posted by SusiBee
It really might be time to look into conservatorship ASAP.
I agree!
Based on the finances, the "I'm marrying Dr. Wong" & the fact that he's married, these could be signs of dementia.
On the flip side, if this guy is having a relationship my elderly aunt, his patient, I'd go after his license. I'd start by reporting him to NY, I'd report him to the IRS & do everything in my power to ruin him.
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
Posted by GinaBeana
That is what she says.... this whole situation has turned bizarre! I can't...
so wait, your great aunt, the patient says she is going to marry him???? or your aunt? did your cousin talk to him??? how nuts!
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Lillykat
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
Did you say she has an aide that pays the doctor? Is there a chance that the aide is pocketing the money and telling your great aunt that they don't give receipts?
Maybe he was being nice to her and making a joke and if she is not of sound mind misinterpreted it? Either way I am glad that it was reported so that it can be looked at because something is not right. Is there a way to go with her and see if the doctor is in fact charging these amounts and ask why they will not provide a receipt? What would happen if you told the doctor that you want receipts of all the past visits to submit to insurance as they will reimburse her part of it for out of network.
Since you know who this doctor is could you just pick up the phone and call them and ask about their office policies, what they charge for a visit etc. You would be able to get an idea from that if they tell you $100-300 a visit then you would know that something isn't right if your great aunt says they charge $2k?
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
Posted by Lillykat
Did you say she has an aide that pays the doctor? Is there a chance that the aide is pocketing the money and telling your great aunt that they don't give receipts?
Maybe he was being nice to her and making a joke and if she is not of sound mind misinterpreted it? Either way I am glad that it was reported so that it can be looked at because something is not right. Is there a way to go with her and see if the doctor is in fact charging these amounts and ask why they will not provide a receipt? What would happen if you told the doctor that you want receipts of all the past visits to submit to insurance as they will reimburse her part of it for out of network.
Since you know who this doctor is could you just pick up the phone and call them and ask about their office policies, what they charge for a visit etc. You would be able to get an idea from that if they tell you $100-300 a visit then you would know that something isn't right if your great aunt says they charge $2k?
her OP says the aunt is paying the doctor. is your aunt actually asking for a reciept and being denied one?? something just doesn't seem right here........
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Lillykat
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
Posted by MrsC614
Posted by Lillykat
Did you say she has an aide that pays the doctor? Is there a chance that the aide is pocketing the money and telling your great aunt that they don't give receipts?
Maybe he was being nice to her and making a joke and if she is not of sound mind misinterpreted it? Either way I am glad that it was reported so that it can be looked at because something is not right. Is there a way to go with her and see if the doctor is in fact charging these amounts and ask why they will not provide a receipt? What would happen if you told the doctor that you want receipts of all the past visits to submit to insurance as they will reimburse her part of it for out of network.
Since you know who this doctor is could you just pick up the phone and call them and ask about their office policies, what they charge for a visit etc. You would be able to get an idea from that if they tell you $100-300 a visit then you would know that something isn't right if your great aunt says they charge $2k?
her OP says the aunt is paying the doctor. is your aunt actually asking for a reciept and being denied one?? something just doesn't seem right here........
Well if the aide goes with her the aide might be the one who is actually giving the money over and telling her that the desk says they don't give receipts- either way I would looking into this a little more because something is 100% off. I would definitely call the office and inquire as a new patient and see what they have to say. Have you gone down to the office and talked to them? She said she was also taking all these herbs maybe they are only charging her like $200 for the visit and then an arm and a leg for the herbs. Either way something is definitely NOT right. I have never heard of any doctor who doesn't take insurance not taking checks if they don't take credit cards and ALL of them offer and give receipts to submit to insurance. Which is why I would ask and say that you want it to submit to insurance for out of network reimbursement.
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
Posted by Lillykat
Which is why I would ask and say that you want it to submit to insurance for out of network reimbursement.
This is a good way of getting the medical records & payments. Of course, you'd need POA
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GinaBeana
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
The fact that my great-aunt announced that she is dating/ marrying the acupuncturist is something she made up. My parents spoke to her aide and she said that it isn't true.. Thank Goodness, but now we have to worry about her mental state. She has always been sharp for a woman of her age, so that is why we haven't questioned her. My other aunt spoke to great-aunt's primary doctor and he stated that she is most likely in the beginning stages of dementia. They are trying to get her to go to the dr, but she only wants to go to the acupuncturist. Probably because he is blowing sunshine up her butt about the herbs and that they will make her better.
My cousin went to the acu office yesterday, but they were closed. She called for an "appt" for herself for tomorrow and then will bombard them with questions then.
My other aunt called the acu office twice yesterday, leaving messages to call her back regarding my great-aunt. No return call as of yet.
The aide is not the one handling the money, so we do not suspect her of taking money from her. My great-aunt is the only one handling her own money, which now is apparent that she shouldn't be.
So at this juncture, I am making complaints to the IRS and NYSED re: taking money under the table and refusing to give receipts.
PS - My great-aunt has no children. She is my maternal grandmother's sister. She gave power of attorney to my aunt, and health proxy to my other aunt.
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
The mystery is beginning to unravel.
It sucks when you have to take care of older folks. I have POA and proxys for my FIL, for my mom and MIL when bother were alive.
Most importantly, have the aunt with the POA run to the bank(s) and put holds on your great-aunt's accounts so that she cannot withdraw any money without the presence and/or consent of your aunt.
The money crap has to stop first.
If she won't go willingly, trick her to go see the regular doctor. Make sure the aunt with the health care proxy is the one to take her, jsut in case the proxy has to be invoked.
Good luck with all of this !
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
You might want to consider that the "herbs" are what is causing the deterioration. Herbs aren't monitored by the FDA and they can cause terrible drug interactions.
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Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
Since you say that there are signs of dementia setting in, you can't even be sure she is being taken advantage of at all. Given the fact that she insists she is marrying this man and that the aide has confirmed it isn't true what do you know is fact vs fiction at this point?
What has the aide (who I gather attends these appointments with her) had to say about the visits? Does the aide confirm the cash only/no receipts business? Does the amount of money coming out of the bank account match what your aunt is reporting?
And, no business has to take checks or credit cards. Many businesses operate on cash only. There is no law against cash only.
Sorry, but I think jumping on the acupuncturist and potentially harming his reputation without full facts is dangerous and just as bad as the potential that he is scamming your aunt. Now you're reporting him to the IRS because your aunt, with the possible onset of dementia, is telling you he doesn't give receipts? Don't you think that is a little rash at this point?
I'm sorry, I know you're upset about your aunt but I think you're rushing to judgement without all the facts. I would err on the side of caution and make sure that you have evidence of all of this before you potentially ruin a man's career.
Get your ducks in a row, take care of your aunt's condition and situation and then worry about reporting him to appropriate authorities when you have solid proof.
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
Posted by tarabelle99
Since you say that there are signs of dementia setting in, you can't even be sure she is being taken advantage of at all. Given the fact that she insists she is marrying this man and that the aide has confirmed it isn't true what do you know is fact vs fiction at this point?
What has the aide (who I gather attends these appointments with her) had to say about the visits? Does the aide confirm the cash only/no receipts business? Does the amount of money coming out of the bank account match what your aunt is reporting?
And, no business has to take checks or credit cards. Many businesses operate on cash only. There is no law against cash only.
Sorry, but I think jumping on the acupuncturist and potentially harming his reputation without full facts is dangerous and just as bad as the potential that he is scamming your aunt. Now you're reporting him to the IRS because your aunt, with the possible onset of dementia, is telling you he doesn't give receipts? Don't you think that is a little rash at this point?
I'm sorry, I know you're upset about your aunt but I think you're rushing to judgement without all the facts. I would err on the side of caution and make sure that you have evidence of all of this before you potentially ruin a man's career.
Get your ducks in a row, take care of your aunt's condition and situation and then worry about reporting him to appropriate authorities when you have solid proof.
I agree with this. I think you should take care of your aunt first and then deal with the doctor second. Without any proof, you are damaging this acupuncturist's reputation.
DH is a doctor and he has witnessed elderly people who want more treatments than they need. I think it is a mixture of being lonely and wanting attention. They will want to stay in the hospital longer at costs that are much higher.
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GinaBeana
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
I appreciate your opinion, but yes, I believe she is being taken advantage of..
The aide initially went into the treatment room for the first few visits, with the dr and my great-aunt and when she started asking questions, he told her she was unwelcome in the room and was asked to wait in the room. She was looking out for my g-aunt. The aide is also the one who asked for the receipts and their response was, "no, we do not give out receipts".
The practice that my g-aunt is going to only has a Dr. Dorothy Wong listed a the practitioner there. So why is Dr. Chi Wei Wong treating patients there? I do not see any proof that he is a licensed acupuncturist, just a website saying that he is one and that he has a herbal dispensary business..
Business people may have a right to only accept cash, but when they don't give proof of payment, then, yes, there is something wrong and if I have the NYSED and IRS conduct investigations and they are unfounded, his reputation will not be tainted.
Posted by tarabelle99
Since you say that there are signs of dementia setting in, you can't even be sure she is being taken advantage of at all. Given the fact that she insists she is marrying this man and that the aide has confirmed it isn't true what do you know is fact vs fiction at this point?
What has the aide (who I gather attends these appointments with her) had to say about the visits? Does the aide confirm the cash only/no receipts business? Does the amount of money coming out of the bank account match what your aunt is reporting?
And, no business has to take checks or credit cards. Many businesses operate on cash only. There is no law against cash only.
Sorry, but I think jumping on the acupuncturist and potentially harming his reputation without full facts is dangerous and just as bad as the potential that he is scamming your aunt. Now you're reporting him to the IRS because your aunt, with the possible onset of dementia, is telling you he doesn't give receipts? Don't you think that is a little rash at this point?
I'm sorry, I know you're upset about your aunt but I think you're rushing to judgement without all the facts. I would err on the side of caution and make sure that you have evidence of all of this before you potentially ruin a man's career.
Get your ducks in a row, take care of your aunt's condition and situation and then worry about reporting him to appropriate authorities when you have solid proof.
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GinaBeana
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
Yes, what your DH says about his elderly patients is 100% true about my g-aunt. She is lonely and looking for attention and is getting it from this dr. Like I said, he is telling her all positive things and that is why she isn't doing to a medical dr - she doesn't want to hear the truth.
My other aunts and mom and looking into a conservatorship (sp?) and an atty to see how to proceed. I have to thank everyone on here for their helpful advice!!
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Posted by tarabelle99
Since you say that there are signs of dementia setting in, you can't even be sure she is being taken advantage of at all. Given the fact that she insists she is marrying this man and that the aide has confirmed it isn't true what do you know is fact vs fiction at this point?
What has the aide (who I gather attends these appointments with her) had to say about the visits? Does the aide confirm the cash only/no receipts business? Does the amount of money coming out of the bank account match what your aunt is reporting?
And, no business has to take checks or credit cards. Many businesses operate on cash only. There is no law against cash only.
Sorry, but I think jumping on the acupuncturist and potentially harming his reputation without full facts is dangerous and just as bad as the potential that he is scamming your aunt. Now you're reporting him to the IRS because your aunt, with the possible onset of dementia, is telling you he doesn't give receipts? Don't you think that is a little rash at this point?
I'm sorry, I know you're upset about your aunt but I think you're rushing to judgement without all the facts. I would err on the side of caution and make sure that you have evidence of all of this before you potentially ruin a man's career.
Get your ducks in a row, take care of your aunt's condition and situation and then worry about reporting him to appropriate authorities when you have solid proof.
I agree with this. I think you should take care of your aunt first and then deal with the doctor second. Without any proof, you are damaging this acupuncturist's reputation.
DH is a doctor and he has witnessed elderly people who want more treatments than they need. I think it is a mixture of being lonely and wanting attention. They will want to stay in the hospital longer at costs that are much higher.
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GinaBeana
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
Thank you, SusiBee. I am going to tell them to do this now.
Posted by SusiBee
The mystery is beginning to unravel.
It sucks when you have to take care of older folks. I have POA and proxys for my FIL, for my mom and MIL when bother were alive.
Most importantly, have the aunt with the POA run to the bank(s) and put holds on your great-aunt's accounts so that she cannot withdraw any money without the presence and/or consent of your aunt.
The money crap has to stop first.
If she won't go willingly, trick her to go see the regular doctor. Make sure the aunt with the health care proxy is the one to take her, jsut in case the proxy has to be invoked.
Good luck with all of this !
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tara73
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
Posted by GinaBeana
The aide initially went into the treatment room for the first few visits, with the dr and my great-aunt and when she started asking questions, he told her she was unwelcome in the room and was asked to wait in the room. She was looking out for my g-aunt. The aide is also the one who asked for the receipts and their response was, "no, we do not give out receipts".
Now, I have to ask this then:
If the aide isn't in the room, how can she confirm that your aunt is telling stories and that the Dr isn't telling your aunt that he is going to marry her?
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
Ok, I'm just reading this now. I had a similar experience happen with my father. Long story short, he was paying his housekeeper all his money, plus my deceased mother's jewelry and family possessions. Then he decided he was going to marry her. It never panned out and we got rid of the housekeeper.
Please, please, PLEASE call the Office for the Aging in Nassau County and report all of this.
Link to Office of the Aging
She is being screwed over big time. We lost everything because of my dad's actions. People are scum and know just what to say and what to do.
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Re: Elderly Relative Being Taken Advantage of By Doctor..
If this is him he appears to be licensed:
06/21/2012
Name : WONG CHI WAI
Address : NEW HYDE PARK NY
Profession : ACUPUNCTURE
License No: 000261
Date of Licensure : 06/30/92
Additional Qualification : Not applicable in this profession
Status : REGISTERED
Registered through last day of : 04/13
That is from the NYS office of the professions.
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