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Katie111806
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Re: i know it's "just" a horse-but i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
Totally heartbreaking if you ask me 
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Re: i know it's "just" a horse-but i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
I totally agree with you. I don't suppost animal races of any kind. I pray that the poor horse did not suffer She was not "just" a horse, she was a loiving thing, not more important than any other living thing. I hate the way we treat animals.
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| Posted 5/3/08 11:33 PM |
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Re: i know it's "just" a horse-but i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
I felt the same way when Barbaro got injured. It makes me very sad that they are so quick to put these horses down. I wonder if there is any other way?
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| Posted 5/3/08 11:35 PM |
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
I am so glad I missed this....I couldn't handle it. Poor sweet horse.
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| Posted 5/4/08 5:22 AM |
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GenLCSW
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
I know...it was terrible 
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| Posted 5/4/08 6:24 AM |
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CAH127
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
I feel the same as you. I thought I was the only one.
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| Posted 5/4/08 9:30 AM |
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JenMarie
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
My heart broke for that horse yesterday. If we put down people as quickly as we do animals, this world would be a lot smaller. It's so sad. I'm sure they absolutely had to put her down, but it's still sad.
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| Posted 5/4/08 9:43 AM |
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ctrain1124
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
Posted by nov04libride
It really just disgusts me. After Barbaro just two years ago...There is something going very wrong here, and with the increasing number of incidents and tragedies it is almost sadistic to watch. I wonder if there is something they could have done...Tranquilized her and put her in traction to aid the healing...I don't know why they made the decision to euthanize her so quickly.
Reason why it is fatal:
Horses are not built like dogs, cats or even humans. Their physiology demands that they bear weight on all four legs. When that ability is compromised by injury, the horse is condemned to a slow and painful death.
Besides the associated pain, a horse that can't put weight on it's legs is at risk of developing laminitis, a disease of the hoof that killed 2006 derby winner Barbaro. Chances of recovery are so slim that animal experts believe it is more humane to euthanize the horse rather than force it to endure months of recovery.
This was in the Newsday this morning!
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| Posted 5/4/08 9:54 AM |
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Goobster
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
Posted by ctrain1124
Posted by nov04libride
It really just disgusts me. After Barbaro just two years ago...There is something going very wrong here, and with the increasing number of incidents and tragedies it is almost sadistic to watch. I wonder if there is something they could have done...Tranquilized her and put her in traction to aid the healing...I don't know why they made the decision to euthanize her so quickly.
Reason why it is fatal:
Horses are not built like dogs, cats or even humans. Their physiology demands that they bear weight on all four legs. When that ability is compromised by injury, the horse is condemned to a slow and painful death.
Besides the associated pain, a horse that can't put weight on it's legs is at risk of developing laminitis, a disease of the hoof that killed 2006 derby winner Barbaro. Chances of recovery are so slim that animal experts believe it is more humane to euthanize the horse rather than force it to endure months of recovery.
This was in the Newsday this morning!
Thanks for sharing this. So sad.
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| Posted 5/4/08 11:27 AM |
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MrsRivera
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
This was not our first year watching the Derby, but it WAS our first year betting on it.
I can honestly say that, after seeing what happened to that poor baby, I will never watch again. As OP said, there's something very wrong here. I just can't help thinking that those poor horses are running their hearts out, and it probably hurts them. But they do it anyway, because it's what they're trained to do.
She ran such a good race, but now I wonder if she knew what was about to happen.
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| Posted 5/4/08 11:35 AM |
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
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| Posted 5/4/08 11:47 AM |
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jules
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
Posted by ctrain1124
Posted by nov04libride
It really just disgusts me. After Barbaro just two years ago...There is something going very wrong here, and with the increasing number of incidents and tragedies it is almost sadistic to watch. I wonder if there is something they could have done...Tranquilized her and put her in traction to aid the healing...I don't know why they made the decision to euthanize her so quickly.
Reason why it is fatal:
Horses are not built like dogs, cats or even humans. Their physiology demands that they bear weight on all four legs. When that ability is compromised by injury, the horse is condemned to a slow and painful death.
Besides the associated pain, a horse that can't put weight on it's legs is at risk of developing laminitis, a disease of the hoof that killed 2006 derby winner Barbaro. Chances of recovery are so slim that animal experts believe it is more humane to euthanize the horse rather than force it to endure months of recovery.
This was in the Newsday this morning!
exactly
and the sport is not barbaric at all. what is barbaric is the INBREEDING that goes on.
Inbreeding of any animal is disgusting. It is done in this scenario to get faster and stronger horses. But just like any inbreed animal with the possible good comes the VERY bad.
it is a tragic loss. but it was not the jockey or the sports doing.
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nov04libride
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
Posted by jules
exactly
and the sport is not barbaric at all. what is barbaric is the INBREEDING that goes on.
Inbreeding of any animal is disgusting. It is done in this scenario to get faster and stronger horses. But just like any inbreed animal with the possible good comes the VERY bad.
it is a tragic loss. but it was not the jockey or the sports doing.
I don't agree that it is not barbaric, and having taken veterinary classes I believe the unregulated use of steroids in racing horses is contributing to more brittle bones in race horses, and a skeletal systems that cannot handle the load. They don't mention that in Newsday. The inbreeding selective breeding also contributes to the problem.
It may not have been how the jockey rode the horse, or even the sport, but these horses are treated like bank accounts; they will do anything to ensure the greatest return on the money.
About 800 racehorses die each year from fatal injuries suffered on US racetracks. 3,566 sustain injuries so bad that they cannot finish their races. A horse that fails to win also faces death in a slaughterhouse, where operators sell the horse's flesh overseas for human consumption, or provide horsemeat to glue factories. Horse racing is now illegal in Belgium for those reasons.
Perhaps if we all boycott the races we can make a point about this "sport."
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jules
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
Posted by nov04libride
It may not have been how the jockey rode the horse, or even the sport, but these horses are treated like bank accounts; they will do anything to ensure the greatest return on the money.
that i do agree with.
and yes i do agree, although there have been "surprise" testings, i do believe steriod use is out of control. But the inbreeding is also insane and sad.
And now with major comapnies getting involved with the sport, i see more to come
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jules
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
Posted by nov04libride
About 800 racehorses die each year from fatal injuries suffered on US racetracks. 3,566 sustain injuries so bad that they cannot finish their races. A horse that fails to win also faces death in a slaughterhouse, where operators sell the horse's flesh overseas for human consumption, or provide horsemeat to glue factories. Horse racing is now illegal in Belgium for those reasons.
Perhaps if we all boycott the races we can make a point about this "sport."
and all the other horses that raced will go back to farms to be breed and inbreed
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| Posted 5/4/08 6:13 PM |
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
I'm not a fan of any type of sport that involves animals....
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
my thoughts exactly. i am so sickened that the horse yesterday has to be destroyed all bc she had to race yesterday
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
Posted by nov04libride
Posted by jules
exactly
and the sport is not barbaric at all. what is barbaric is the INBREEDING that goes on.
Inbreeding of any animal is disgusting. It is done in this scenario to get faster and stronger horses. But just like any inbreed animal with the possible good comes the VERY bad.
it is a tragic loss. but it was not the jockey or the sports doing.
I don't agree that it is not barbaric, and having taken veterinary classes I believe the unregulated use of steroids in racing horses is contributing to more brittle bones in race horses, and a skeletal systems that cannot handle the load. They don't mention that in Newsday. The inbreeding selective breeding also contributes to the problem.
It may not have been how the jockey rode the horse, or even the sport, but these horses are treated like bank accounts; they will do anything to ensure the greatest return on the money.
About 800 racehorses die each year from fatal injuries suffered on US racetracks. 3,566 sustain injuries so bad that they cannot finish their races. A horse that fails to win also faces death in a slaughterhouse, where operators sell the horse's flesh overseas for human consumption, or provide horsemeat to glue factories. Horse racing is now illegal in Belgium for those reasons.
Perhaps if we all boycott the races we can make a point about this "sport."
ITA!! Another factor are these grown men who are jockeys. Many of them have eating disorders because it is not normal for a man to be so thin. We know one personally who has been hospitalized several times because of his bulemia. He has really damaged his body because of it. All around the "sport" get 2 thumbs down 
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| Posted 5/4/08 9:14 PM |
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Kara
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
Posted by sfp0701
Well this is the first year in a while I didn't watch the race. I don't know anything about racing but I have been reading some interesting things online tonight.
I have a question for those who know horses? Was this a tragic accident or is the jockey to blame? I read something about how the jockey should have "pulled up" to prevent both bones from breaking??? Is that just people talking or did he push her too hard in the end?
I am so sad about this
I hate to resurrect a sad topic, but I wanted to speak to this -- I've been a horseperson for a quarter century and was a horse professional for many years...
I ONLY want to say that the jockey was not at fault. There are two potential explanations for this horse's injuries:
1. She suffered a hairline fracture in her ankle (or ankles) during the race, which worsened by the end of the race and eventually gave way. (Her ankles DID NOT break / snap during the race)
2. (Just as probable as #1) -- The horse was fatigued at the end of the race. Fatigue in horses, like in humans, leads to muscle and tendon fatigue, which means that they do not do as good a job supporting the joints and can cause the legs to move in less than perfect / correct fashion. This caused her to step funny on a poorly supported joint.
My best guess is that it's a combination of the two.
One thing to keep in mind is that a lot of the injuries and issues with race horses isn't the actual work itself, it's that there is a LOT of irresponsible breeding in racing. For example, Big Brown who won the Derby will go on to be a big stud and everyone will want to breed to him -- despite the fact that he has HORRIBLE feet with quarter cracks, poor heel growth, etc. There is a saying among horsepeople "no hoof, no horse." This is for a reason -- feet support their leg structure. Poor heel growth can lead to poor hoof balance. Poor hoof balance stresses all of the joints in the horse's body - b/c the horse isn't standing on a balanced foot. (Their feet aren't sold "hoof" as many people think. Inside the hoof wall is soft tissue and the coffin bone). Bad feet can be corrected or at least made functional by proper shoeing -- but proper shoeing can only do so much.
Two other things I want to mention:
1. She didn't suffer and didn't feel much (if any) pain. First, the horse was pumped full of adrenaline after the race, which would impair her ability to process or even know she was in pain. With a catastrophic injury like that, the horse goes into shock - again, not feeling much pain. She was euthanized on the spot, a few minutes after the injury - before she likely suffered. My vet (with whom I discussed this) and other top vets agree with this.
2. EUTHANASIA WAS THE BEST THING FOR HER. Seriously, it was the KINDEST thing to do for her. Don't get me started on Barbaro -- but that horse should have been euthanized on the spot when he was injured. If he were my horse, I'd have put him down on the track and never made him suffer through those surgeries and confinement with little to no chance he'd be sound. They wanted to save him to be a breeding horse -- guess what, Jockey Club requires live cover for JC registered horses. (JC registered thoroughbreds and a horse must be JC registered in order to mate) That would have meant he'd have been weight-bearing on his bad leg to breed mares - probably dozens if not hundreds a season. There is speculation that the insurance company would not authorize euthanasia at first b/c the treatment was less expensive than his insured value. That is, of course, just speculation, as I have no idea what his owners were thinking.
I just want to say that, sometimes, euthanasia is the exact right thing. This was one of those times.
A horse cannot survive lying down and not moving for any length of time. They are meant to be standing and moving about 23+ hours per day. A few hours nap happens, but they cannot properly digest and function laying down. Even attempting to fix two broken front ankles (and one was a compound fracture) would have required her to be in a sling and a tremendous amount of pain. Her chance of survival or being pain free at any point was basically zero. I 100% support her being euthanized on the spot. It was clearly the right choice.
Tragic - for sure. I cried when it happened... but definitely in the best interests of the horse.
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Kara
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
One other thing -- this horse was very large for 3 years old (17+ hands). She was likely somewhat immature in her development at only 3 -- barely 3. Race horses are "3" as of Jan. 1st the year they will turn 3. She could be younger than 3, but most top race horses are bred to be born in Jan or Feb.
I believe it's possible that stress on immature joints could have led to the inability to handle the stress of racing.
On top of that, it's not JUST inbreeding that is the problem -- it's the lack of caerful breeding. They are breeding for one thing - speed. Period. They tend not to pay enough attention to proper conformation of the horse, which is critical for soundness.
Also, FWIW, before the rumors fly, I am in NO way affiliated with racing in any way. One of my current horses was rescued from the harness racing track after racing for 3 years and lives quite cushy life with me. In my years as a pro, I retrained over 20 horses off the track, all of whom are currently loved and well-cared for by wonderful owners.
ETF typo
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
I remember last year when the stations were playing one scene over and over ad naseum, I switched the channel everytime as I couldn't stand the site of animal falling and hurting like that. I haven't seen what you guys are talking about but now I know to be on the lookout for it so I can have my remote in hand all evening.
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| Posted 5/5/08 8:10 PM |
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babyfaith
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Re: i am so sad (Kentucky Derby related)
I am so disturbed by what happened at the derby that I can't ever watch another race again. I started crying when Eight Belles was put down. The whole industry promotes cruelty to animals for financial gain. In a way it's a good thing that all of America got to see the ugliness of horse racing.
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