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jerseypanda
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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies



Posted by eddiesmommy

I think the lack of compassion is disgusting. I hope your sister, brother, aunt, cousin, best friend, should never find themselves in a position like that. I would hate for some of you to be the person I would normally turn to in a tragic situation like this. Its nice to know that youd turn your back on your loved ones. Its disgusting.

NO ONE MEANT TO KILL THEIR CHILD!



While I wouldn't use the word "disgusting", I think you really hit the nail on the head for me.

While I don't expect everyone to understand how things like this happen (because people seem to believe that things like this will NEVER happen to them), I think the least we can do realize that these horrible mistakes DO happen and not be so judgemental of these parents.

I'm sure LIF moms never meant to:

-Let their child fall off a bed or changing table.
-Drive their child in the car without buckling the car seat.
-Slam their child's fingers in a door.
-Not close the baby gate and have your DC fall down the stairs.
-Cause a situation where your DC falls down the stairs in a walker.
-Putting your DC in water that was too hot for a bath.

I could go back and do a search on LIF to find more, but the point is I guarantee that all of these mommies said at one time or another "I will NEVER do that". And even though their child was OK in the end, there is always a chance that their DC might not have been OK. And these things DID happen.

So yes, I do think we should have a little compassion.

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Posted 7/9/10 10:27 AM
 
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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

Posted by eddiesmommy

I think the lack of compassion is disgusting. I hope your sister, brother, aunt, cousin, best friend, should never find themselves in a position like that. I would hate for some of you to be the person I would normally turn to in a tragic situation like this. Its nice to know that youd turn your back on your loved ones. Its disgusting.

NO ONE MEANT TO KILL THEIR CHILD!



I find it disgusting that someone didn't have their head screwed on right one day and forgot their child in a 150 degree car while their internal organs cooked as they gasped for a drink or fresh air. I find it disgusting that a poor child has to die this way. It's torture in it's worst form. It's hard to have compassion when a child is a victim of a senseless and preventable tragedy.

Posted 7/9/10 10:28 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

Posted by cupcakekid

Posted by eddiesmommy

I think the lack of compassion is disgusting. I hope your sister, brother, aunt, cousin, best friend, should never find themselves in a position like that. I would hate for some of you to be the person I would normally turn to in a tragic situation like this. Its nice to know that youd turn your back on your loved ones. Its disgusting.

NO ONE MEANT TO KILL THEIR CHILD!



I find it disgusting that someone didn't have their head screwed on right one day and forgot their child in a 150 degree car while their internal organs cooked as they gasped for a drink or fresh air. I find it disgusting that a poor child has to die this way. It's torture in it's worst form. It's hard to have compassion when a child is a victim of a senseless and preventable tragedy.




No, having compassion for the parent does not equal automatically forgoing any compassion for the child. Then are not exclusive to one another, they can coexist.

Of course its senseless, of course its horrible, of course I feel the most for the child in this situation, of course its one of the most tragic things I can think of, but it was still an accident.

I bet every one of those parents have heard a similar story before and thought, like a lot of you, "how do you forget your kids in the car". Its not so black and white.

I will still hate to have some of you as family if something tragic should ever occur by my hands ON ACCIDENT.

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Posted 7/9/10 10:35 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

Posted by cupcakekid

Posted by eddiesmommy

I think the lack of compassion is disgusting. I hope your sister, brother, aunt, cousin, best friend, should never find themselves in a position like that. I would hate for some of you to be the person I would normally turn to in a tragic situation like this. Its nice to know that youd turn your back on your loved ones. Its disgusting.

NO ONE MEANT TO KILL THEIR CHILD!



I find it disgusting that someone didn't have their head screwed on right one day and forgot their child in a 150 degree car while their internal organs cooked as they gasped for a drink or fresh air. I find it disgusting that a poor child has to die this way. It's torture in it's worst form. It's hard to have compassion when a child is a victim of a senseless and preventable tragedy.




You are absolutely right that this is a terrible thing to happen to a child and you certainly described it in vivid detail.

Yet I don't look at it as the parents FORGETTING their child. I truly believe that in their mind, the child was safe and sound somewhere else. In their mind, they thought the child was safe at daycare, or safe with mommy, or safe with daddy.

I can remember very vividly when I was sleep deprived and running on fumes the times when I would wake up and could SWEAR that I left DS on the changing table and would panic. Or the time I honestly thought my stuffed panda bear was my DS to the point where I was hugging it and kissing it. Your mind can pretty much convince you of anything.

Stories like these just serve as a reminder that I have to be even more vigilant about the safety of my DC. But I am not going to rule out that no matter how vigilant I am, an accident won't happen someday. And it makes my heart ache even more for these parents, not want to demonize them.

And I continue to go back to my original example. Why is it that so many seem to have compassion for the mom who's child rolled off a changing table onto a wood floor (a totally preventable accident)? Is the only difference that the child did not die? What if a child were to die from falling off the changing table? Do you think people would post about how horrible that mom is as opposed to blowing smoke up their butt and saying "oh honey, it's OK, accidents happen, don't worry about it".

Posted 7/9/10 10:39 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

I used to get so angry at parents when I heard stories like these.

Then I had a baby that never slept for three months. Ever. I found out first hand what sleep deprivation can do to the human body. It made me do stupid things all the time. Not to this extent, but you never know.

Since then, I don't judge parents who face accidental tragedy like this.

My heart breaks for all of them. Chat Icon

Posted 7/9/10 10:40 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

Posted by cupcakekid

Posted by eddiesmommy

I think the lack of compassion is disgusting. I hope your sister, brother, aunt, cousin, best friend, should never find themselves in a position like that. I would hate for some of you to be the person I would normally turn to in a tragic situation like this. Its nice to know that youd turn your back on your loved ones. Its disgusting.

NO ONE MEANT TO KILL THEIR CHILD!



I find it disgusting that someone didn't have their head screwed on right one day and forgot their child in a 150 degree car while their internal organs cooked as they gasped for a drink or fresh air. I find it disgusting that a poor child has to die this way. It's torture in it's worst form. It's hard to have compassion when a child is a victim of a senseless and preventable tragedy.




Tangent to make a point:

Didn't you post that you let your kid fly alone? What if the plane crashed? Horrible and tragic but you made the decision to let your kid fly alone so whose fault is it that your child is all alone as the pilot tells all the passengers to assume the crash position and the flight attendant is dealing with a plane of terrified passengers and terrified herself and can't hug your kid as the plane goes down so your child is crying and terrified and all alone?

I am not saying that it was a wrong decision to let a child fly alone. I'm just saying sometimes the unthinkable happens.

A child left to die a horrible death in a car is heartbreaking and horrible and tragic and something I hope never happens to my kids or me. I couldn't live with that but I know that no one can picture it happening to them, in their lives and some how it does so I have compassion.

Posted 7/9/10 11:01 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

Posted by CrankyPants

Posted by cupcakekid

Posted by eddiesmommy

I think the lack of compassion is disgusting. I hope your sister, brother, aunt, cousin, best friend, should never find themselves in a position like that. I would hate for some of you to be the person I would normally turn to in a tragic situation like this. Its nice to know that youd turn your back on your loved ones. Its disgusting.

NO ONE MEANT TO KILL THEIR CHILD!



I find it disgusting that someone didn't have their head screwed on right one day and forgot their child in a 150 degree car while their internal organs cooked as they gasped for a drink or fresh air. I find it disgusting that a poor child has to die this way. It's torture in it's worst form. It's hard to have compassion when a child is a victim of a senseless and preventable tragedy.




Tangent to make a point:

Didn't you post that you let your kid fly alone? What if the plane crashed? Horrible and tragic but you made the decision to let your kid fly alone so whose fault is it that your child is all alone as the pilot tells all the passengers to assume the crash position and the flight attendant is dealing with a plane of terrified passengers and terrified herself and can't hug your kid as the plane goes down so your child is crying and terrified and all alone?

I am not saying that it was a wrong decision to let a child fly alone. I'm just saying sometimes the unthinkable happens.

A child left to die a horrible death in a car is heartbreaking and horrible and tragic and something I hope never happens to my kids or me. I couldn't live with that but I know that no one can picture it happening to them, in their lives and some how it does so I have compassion.



It is REALLY reaching to compare a child flying on an airplane as an unaccomapnied minor, to a parent FORGETTING their child in a hot car.

Posted 7/9/10 11:18 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

I read recently that a baby can die in 15 minutes left in a car...so so sad.

Posted 7/9/10 11:26 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

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Posted by cupcakekid

Posted by eddiesmommy

I think the lack of compassion is disgusting. I hope your sister, brother, aunt, cousin, best friend, should never find themselves in a position like that. I would hate for some of you to be the person I would normally turn to in a tragic situation like this. Its nice to know that youd turn your back on your loved ones. Its disgusting.

NO ONE MEANT TO KILL THEIR CHILD!



I find it disgusting that someone didn't have their head screwed on right one day and forgot their child in a 150 degree car while their internal organs cooked as they gasped for a drink or fresh air. I find it disgusting that a poor child has to die this way. It's torture in it's worst form. It's hard to have compassion when a child is a victim of a senseless and preventable tragedy.




Tangent to make a point:

Didn't you post that you let your kid fly alone? What if the plane crashed? Horrible and tragic but you made the decision to let your kid fly alone so whose fault is it that your child is all alone as the pilot tells all the passengers to assume the crash position and the flight attendant is dealing with a plane of terrified passengers and terrified herself and can't hug your kid as the plane goes down so your child is crying and terrified and all alone?

I am not saying that it was a wrong decision to let a child fly alone. I'm just saying sometimes the unthinkable happens.

A child left to die a horrible death in a car is heartbreaking and horrible and tragic and something I hope never happens to my kids or me. I couldn't live with that but I know that no one can picture it happening to them, in their lives and some how it does so I have compassion.



It is REALLY reaching to compare a child flying on an airplane as an unaccomapnied minor, to a parent FORGETTING their child in a hot car.



No, it's not.

The common denominator is the torturous death of a child due to something a parent couldn't fathom.

It only feels like a stretch because you can't allow yourself to think that it will ever touch you. But it could-you just never ever know and that is what makes it all so sad.

Posted 7/9/10 11:27 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

Posted by isabelle2137

I used to get so angry at parents when I heard stories like these.

Then I had a baby that never slept for three months. Ever. I found out first hand what sleep deprivation can do to the human body. It made me do stupid things all the time. Not to this extent, but you never know.

Since then, I don't judge parents who face accidental tragedy like this.

My heart breaks for all of them. Chat Icon



Same for me. Before having kids, I couldn't understand this, and had no feelings of compassion for the parents.
But after experiencing the sleep deprivation first hand, I know what it does to the brain.

I think it is an awful, terrible, unthinkable thing. I can't even begin to imagine the pain.

Even though we rehash this every few weeks in the summer on LIF and it always causes controversy, hopefully each time it makes one more parent aware that this can happen.
I know because of these threads, I always leave the car doors or windows open when getting DC in and out of the car. My routine always involves having them, but I think leaving your bag in the backseat is a great, easy way to avoid this tragedy.

Posted 7/9/10 11:31 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

I also think it comes down to compassion.

There was a story a few years ago where a 3 year old boy died from eColi after eating a fast food hamburger. One of my colleagues at the time was outraged.. by the idea that this mother was negligent enough to feed her boy fast food. She could not FATHOM feeding a child she loved and adored anything less than pure food that was prepared by her own hands.

Yes - it's apples and oranges relevant to the situation itself. But the fact is that there are plenty of things that we can't begin to imagine doing. Before I was a mom I used to look at those child leashes and think they were cruel. Now that I've had a kid who is prone to dashing away from me - I get it.

I personally cannot begin to imagine forgetting my infant in a car. My kids are always the first thing on my mind. But I CAN recognize that there are people who are different then me and there are circumstances that are different than mine and there are crazy things that can happen for reasons that I just can't understand. And I'm glad I don't understand them.

But not understanding doesn't preclude me from having my heart break for the families who did suffer this kind of devastation. Blaming and finger pointing and claiming superiority in any way doesn't bring the child back or help anyone.

Just my opinion.

ETA: I have to say that I don't find the lack of compassion for the parents in this situation surprising - or even necessarily 'bad'. I think it's just a personality thing and doesn't represent a lack of compassion as a whole in a person. My sister used to think people who didn't treat animals as well as she did were horrible - but she was extremely compassionate toward most other people.

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Posted 7/9/10 11:32 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

Right, and the same thing could be said for someone whose child dies in a bus accident on the way to school, or a natural disaster while they are at the babysitters or out of your own care. It's NOT the same thing at all as forgetting your child in a hot car and leaving them to die. We could probably go back and forth all day about it, but it's going to get boring after a while. I feel the way I feel, others feel the way they feel. I won't change my opinion on it, nor will you. So be it.

Posted 7/9/10 11:32 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

Posted by cupcakekid

Right, and the same thing could be said for someone whose child dies in a bus accident on the way to school, or a natural disaster while they are at the babysitters or out of your own care. It's NOT the same thing at all as forgetting your child in a hot car and leaving them to die. We could probably go back and forth all day about it, but it's going to get boring after a while. I feel the way I feel, others feel the way they feel. I won't change my opinion on it, nor will you. So be it.



Just curious - are you a parent & if so, how old are your children?

Posted 7/9/10 11:36 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

Posted by rojerono

But not understanding doesn't preclude me from having my heart break for the families who did suffer this kind of devastation. Blaming and finger pointing and claiming superiority in any way doesn't bring the child back or help anyone.





Very well said. I completely agree.

Posted 7/9/10 11:38 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies



Posted by rojerono

But not understanding doesn't preclude me from having my heart break for the families who did suffer this kind of devastation. Blaming and finger pointing and claiming superiority in any way doesn't bring the child back or help anyone.





Very nicely stated. Chat Icon

Posted 7/9/10 11:41 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

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Right, and the same thing could be said for someone whose child dies in a bus accident on the way to school, or a natural disaster while they are at the babysitters or out of your own care. It's NOT the same thing at all as forgetting your child in a hot car and leaving them to die. We could probably go back and forth all day about it, but it's going to get boring after a while. I feel the way I feel, others feel the way they feel. I won't change my opinion on it, nor will you. So be it.



Just curious - are you a parent & if so, how old are your children?




Sure do, as referenced above in the flying post. Why do you ask? Because I don't have compassion in a situation like this?

Posted 7/9/10 11:42 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

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Posted by cupcakekid

Right, and the same thing could be said for someone whose child dies in a bus accident on the way to school, or a natural disaster while they are at the babysitters or out of your own care. It's NOT the same thing at all as forgetting your child in a hot car and leaving them to die. We could probably go back and forth all day about it, but it's going to get boring after a while. I feel the way I feel, others feel the way they feel. I won't change my opinion on it, nor will you. So be it.



Just curious - are you a parent & if so, how old are your children?




Sure do, as referenced above in the flying post. Why do you ask? Because I don't have compassion in a situation like this?



Yes because lack of compassion does surprise me. I'm not saying non-parents aren't compassionate but I was wondering if it was a case of you can't imagine it because you aren't there yet.

I get not having compassion for someone who intentionally leaves their infant in a car for too long. Not having compassion for the horrific mistake, I have to say..yes, I don't understand.

Posted 7/9/10 11:49 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

It is tragic and while I don't understand how it could happen, it obviously does. Perhaps a solution might be some sort of "checks and balance" from daycares, like if the parent doesn't let them know the child will be out, they call and follow up to make sure everything is ok. Getting a call earlier in the day might trigger the parent's brain vs. finding the baby hours later and save a few of these innocent lives. Just a non-parent thought from a QA POV...

Posted 7/9/10 11:51 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

What an awful tragic mistake. Chat Icon Yes I said mistake. They did not make the conscious decision to leave their child in a car.

So many accidents can happen when you have children. The other day I read about a mom who let her dog out and forgot to close the door. Her 2 year old went outside and drown in the pool. Should she be charged with neglect also?

So many people are ready to crucify these parents but I wonder how many of you have gotten into a car after drinking a few....or got into a car with a friend what has had maybe one to many.... now that is a conscious decision.

Having a 2.5 year old and a newborn has tested my limits and because of all these articles and stories I am hyper aware of what could happen. I wish I could say it would never happen to me but I can't. So that is why I now leave my purse in the backseat and double and triple check the door when I let the dogs out. I am human and can make the same mistake these other people have....

Posted 7/9/10 11:54 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

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Posted by isabelle2137

I used to get so angry at parents when I heard stories like these.

Then I had a baby that never slept for three months. Ever. I found out first hand what sleep deprivation can do to the human body. It made me do stupid things all the time. Not to this extent, but you never know.

Since then, I don't judge parents who face accidental tragedy like this.

My heart breaks for all of them. Chat Icon



Same for me. Before having kids, I couldn't understand this, and had no feelings of compassion for the parents.
But after experiencing the sleep deprivation first hand, I know what it does to the brain.

I think it is an awful, terrible, unthinkable thing. I can't even begin to imagine the pain.

Even though we rehash this every few weeks in the summer on LIF and it always causes controversy, hopefully each time it makes one more parent aware that this can happen.
I know because of these threads, I always leave the car doors or windows open when getting DC in and out of the car. My routine always involves having them, but I think leaving your bag in the backseat is a great, easy way to avoid this tragedy.



I agree with you Lauren... and I do believe that I was one of those parents who said "it will never happen to me" and so far it hasn't BECAUSE I am always aware of these horrible tragic stories. I never ever mind debates like this, as contentious as they may get, because at the end of the day I know that every single person posting on this thread, if they have a child, will become more aware of where their child is at ALL times, not just in the car, to avoid a similar tragedy.

Posted 7/9/10 11:55 AM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

Posted by cupcakekid

Right, and the same thing could be said for someone whose child dies in a bus accident on the way to school, or a natural disaster while they are at the babysitters or out of your own care. It's NOT the same thing at all as forgetting your child in a hot car and leaving them to die. We could probably go back and forth all day about it, but it's going to get boring after a while. I feel the way I feel, others feel the way they feel. I won't change my opinion on it, nor will you. So be it.



You are right in the sense that we all have our own feelings and opinions on this topic and it is definintely everyone's right to feel the way they want to feel.

Can I ask you a hypothetical question? If you found out that this happened to someone that you know, would you tell them your true feelings about what you think of them as a parent or would you not tell them your true feelings and support them through the tragedy? I would have a lot of respect for your opinion if you didn't waver from the way you felt regardless of who it happened to.

And since you are a parent, have you ever had any of those OH MY GOD moments? Child falling off bed, leaving the gate open and having your heart stop for a moment because you are so thankful your child didn't fall down the stairs, didn't tighten the car seat straps, turning your back for one second and not seeing where your DC went and having a moment of panic. I would imagine if a parent has ever had any of these things happen we might have an easier time being compassionate. Just a thought.

Posted 7/9/10 12:09 PM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

I also think that no matter what we say and how we feel, NO one is beating these parent up over this more than themselves

They need to live with this for the rest of their lives, they do not need US to tell them that they are "bad" or "disgusting". I just think it serves no purpose other than to make a tragic situation more painful

I pray for those babies and their parents

Posted 7/9/10 12:17 PM
 

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not for nothing but i think you should have to pass a test and get a license to be a parent..... some people dont have common sense! Chat Icon



i just told someone that last night!!!

Posted 7/9/10 12:17 PM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

I'll preface this by saying that I don't have children.

While I cannot fathom how someone could forget their child and leave that child in a hot car, I can only imagine the torture that parent will live with for the rest of his or her life.

I get sick when I read stories about children left in cars. My heart bleeds for that poor, innocent child who suffered.

My heart also breaks for the parents. None of these parents meant to harm their child. Nothing excuses this type of negligence. However, I cannot imagine the insurmountable guilt and grief that parent will deal with every, single day of their lives. My anger won't do anything to bring that child back -- and quite frankly, I DO grieve for the parents as well as the child.

There's not much point in arguing over this, though. One of us is not better than the other because one is angry and unforgiving of the parents actions and one is more understanding of how it could happen. We cannot help how a situation makes us feel. If, however, discussing this saves one parent from making a tragic, negligent mistake, then I think that's a step forward.

I look back on my life - and while there is nothing anywhere near comparable to this, there are a lot of times I simply got luck that my stupid decisions or forgetfulness didn't end in tragedy. The last two years of my life are a total blur. Between insane work hours, personal obligations, and insomnia, there are literally portions of that time I don't remember. It was that bad. Having "woken up" from that time, I have a whole new perspective on what stress, sleeplessness, etc. can do to someone. Under circumstances like this, people do and forget things they never would under different circumstances. It is scary. I can imagine that new parents faced with the stress of a new child, work, sleeplessness, and everything else in life could suffer similar, scary lapses in judgment and memory. That doesn't make those mistakes, decisions, and lapses in memory okay. I'm just saying I understand how people can get to a point where their bran just doesn't function the way it normally does. I'm GLAD that so many people have never experienced that type of prolonged stress and sleeplessness. It's not healthy and while many people get by just fine, as we have seen, it can have devastating consequences.

Even still, it's still difficult for me to understand how anyone could forget their own child in a car... but stress and sleeplessness do horrible things. I hope it never happens to anyone. I wouldn't wish that pain and suffering on any child or any parent. Chat Icon

And as angry as anyone here can get at these parents, my guess is that no one is angrier at these parents than these parents are at themselves.

Posted 7/9/10 12:23 PM
 

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Re: I heard on the local news that 19 babies

whatever is happening. whatever is contributing to the rise of this epidemic...it has to stop. it has to be figured out and stopped.

if we are too harried, we need to change our schedules. if we are too tired, we need to get more sleep etc etc etc.

YES, there are extremely tragic accidents. YES, we all have "oh ****" moments.

I think loyalties are being split into too ways, predominant sympathy for the parent, and predominant sympathy for the poor child.

when I read something like this, I don't WANT to understand how it could so easily happen. I don't WANT to feel that the guilt on the parents end is punishment enough.

b/c when I think about it happening to MY CHILD....I cannot even function. NO punishment seems like it would be enough. I imagine how much I would want to just destroy myself....punch and kick and beat myself to death from grief. from anger at what I had done. had done to my child. and this. this is not enough.

I agree so much with what LB said. no matter how ugly these threads get, they need to be here. we need to yell to fight to scream. b/c for every person that decides to DO something...to put their purse in the car, to check the back EVERY.SINGLE.TIME there is a child who will never have to endure one of the most God awful ways to die.

God Bless them all. I just cannot bear the thought of this.Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon Chat Icon

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