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Why don't we all just agree to disagree and leave it at that. We've had this debate too many times. No one needs to rehash it all again.

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I hope you don't mind me barging in as a mommy-to-be and a teacher.

I teach 6th grade which is a "big" year for vaccines. It is actually very hard to argue exemptions for not having your child vaccinated, much harder than most parents anticipate. If your child has even just 1 vaccine (such as the HepB normally given right after birth), most exemptions do not apply. For the most part, you can not "pick or choose" it is an all or nothing stance. Once you have gone down the road once, there is no turning back in the eyes of the state.

It is not unusual for me at the beginning of the year to be missing 5-10% of my class as the parents scramble to get their child immunized so they are allowed in. You can't just say "I chose not to vaccinate due to xyz", there is a lot of paperwork (and time) involved.

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Posted by bayla

Posted by stephanief

Posted by emilain
No way, only get 2 at most at each visit.

This is not true, my dd has gotten 4 shots at all of her visits

every office is different, my Dr only gives 2 shots per visit which is what me and my DH wanted, however 2 other peds office in my area give 5 vaccinations in 3 shots at each well baby visit- personally we felt it would be too many shots for his little body, plus when you give so many, its very difficult to tell which one ur baby has a problem with if they have a reaction
we also refused the Heb B and will be seperating the MMR shots when he gets older- whether or not ur doctor agrees is not an issue b/c you as a parent have a right to ask for the vaccinations however you want to do them my dr. didnt agree with us not giving the Heb B but said it was mine and my DH choice to do it or not

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Posted by stephanief

Posted by bayla

Posted by stephanief

Posted by emilain
No way, only get 2 at most at each visit.

This is not true, my dd has gotten 4 shots at all of her visits

every office is different, my Dr only gives 2 shots per visit which is what me and my DH wanted, however 2 other peds office in my area give 5 vaccinations in 3 shots at each well baby visit- personally we felt it would be too many shots for his little body, plus when you give so many, its very difficult to tell which one ur baby has a problem with if they have a reaction
we also refused the Heb B and will be seperating the MMR shots when he gets older- whether or not ur doctor agrees is not an issue b/c you as a parent have a right to ask for the vaccinations however you want to do them my dr. didnt agree with us not giving the Heb B but said it was mine and my DH choice to do it or not

No, I was not questioning your decision, I was just correcting you when you said they only give 2 at a time...I think you meant to say your son only got 2 at a time when he went

Message edited 8/22/2007 10:38:08 PM.

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Posted by emilain

and just to clarify, I was just "recommending" to Johnsae to only get 2 shots per visit, I know some offices do more but IMO that is too many virus' in their systems

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Posted by monkeybride

Posted by emilain

and just to clarify, I was just "recommending" to Johnsae to only get 2 shots per visit, I know some offices do more but IMO that is too many virus' in their systems

Most newborn vaccines are not live vaccines. MMR and chicken pox are and they aren't newborn vaccines.

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Posted by emilain

Posted by monkeybride

Posted by emilain

and just to clarify, I was just "recommending" to Johnsae to only get 2 shots per visit, I know some offices do more but IMO that is too many virus' in their systems

Most newborn vaccines are not live vaccines. MMR and chicken pox are and they aren't newborn vaccines.

yes I know, dead or alive, it is too much IMO, the ache in their little arms makes me so sad

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ok..I am reading all this and heres my imput....
I have only given the twins the hep shot..and if I can take it back I would.
My doctor knows my views and gave me the companies he uses and the names of the shot. Mind you...this site came from my doc. The ingredients included things like formadehyde-howevr spelt.
I have two older kids..yes I vaccinated them. I also dk anything and didn't question anything.
We have 56 shots now we give by the time we are adults...double what was 20 years ago. My friends infertility doc shares the same fear views. He does vaccinate...one shot at a time---he said never combine...go for the mumps--go for the mumps, go back for measles and the rubella. The doctors do not do it because it takes time, and it is very costly to them,
Too bad...my kids are 5 months and I will wait until I find a doc that does what I want.
I feel if greeneyes wants to raise her kids her way she has a right.
If not vaccinating was so bad then why have no outbreak with people who do not?
There is a link--I wil post it if anyone is like interested...a spokesperson out up something like $80,000 and said if a doctor will come forward and drink a cocktail of vaccinations equivilent to their weight and size now that a child of 6 years old takes into their body they get the money,
That was 1 1/2 years ago...noone will do it.
Now...before I am flamed...not that I mind...realize-I plan on vaccinating---ONE AT A TIME..IT IS MY RIGHT.
I have a brother with MS and have other reasons why.
I understand autism probably does not come from vaccinations but*** I feel its a contributing factor,
I think its gene mutation, environmental and then maybe the vaccine in certain individuals just does something to certain people.
I also have a issue with eggs being a high allergen and its a ingredient in some shots...so..,,what if your kid never had a egg and has this as a severe allergy?
and don't get me started with the cervical cancer shot...it protects against a few types of cervical cancer and not all..and there have been deaths from it.
Ii understand we get pushed against the wall with school--and people from different countries with diseases and all that.
What is the diff though with going to school with someone who isn't vaccinated and then me sending my kid to school with someone whose mom sends her sick as a dog kid to school to sit next to mine because she does not want to or can't miss work? I find that wrong.
I can tell u I had that happen upteen times.
This is just a diff view...again..I have to vaccinate but I will do it as I feel fit..and will not do any triple shots and if I have to...it will not be until after age 2.
I was also told by my friends doc the single dose shots have less horrible ingredients..which is why he does it.
If u want to really freak..read How to raise a child in spite of your doctor. It tells u allllllllll the things they do that they do not even have to do.

It sucks for me this time around--Ii read the damn ingredients and can't bring myself to do it yet..ignorance was bliss for me back then.
I just think for us at least-a shot each visit is enough.
Everyone has different views and different reasons

Message edited 8/22/2007 11:18:49 PM.

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Posted by monkeybride

Posted by dm24angel

Posted by Porrruss

Posted by greeneyes361708

I don't think you would see a sudden increase in all of the diseases we vaccinate for anyway.

I'm not going to debate this topic any further than this:

What YOU think about an increase in diseases such as the ones vaccinated for is incorrect. There have been pockets of outbreaks, for example, measles resurfaced in the late 80's, and there was an outbreak of mumps in 2006 (?). All due to the fact that people weren't vaccinated properly.

I agree- your child, your choice. But in all your research, you MUST have found evidance of how dangerous it is to have the mindset against ANY vaccinating.

EXACTLY....It scares me, that MY child could be exposed to a disease yours carries b/c you choose not to vaccinate.

I have no choice in the matter. I think if you choose this route you should homeschool your children, Its selfish to put my child at risk when I didnt choose that risk.

If too many people start to act that way, we will have outbreaks everywhere.

I am terrified of the shots, I plan to space them out, delay MMR etc...but I know my son MUST get the immunizations to avoid a just as if not worse potential for a fatal disease and also to not spread it to any other innocent person.

Why would you worry if your kid is vaccinated? Isn't that why you vaccinate in the first place? To protect them from someone who may get the disease?
Sorry but that arguement that people use (not just you) is ignorant.

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Re: IF I were to get my 8.5 week old's vaccinations delayed...

Posted by dm24angel

Posted by monkeybride

Posted by dm24angel

Posted by Porrruss

Posted by greeneyes361708

I don't think you would see a sudden increase in all of the diseases we vaccinate for anyway.

I'm not going to debate this topic any further than this:

What YOU think about an increase in diseases such as the ones vaccinated for is incorrect. There have been pockets of outbreaks, for example, measles resurfaced in the late 80's, and there was an outbreak of mumps in 2006 (?). All due to the fact that people weren't vaccinated properly.

I agree- your child, your choice. But in all your research, you MUST have found evidance of how dangerous it is to have the mindset against ANY vaccinating.

EXACTLY....It scares me, that MY child could be exposed to a disease yours carries b/c you choose not to vaccinate.

I have no choice in the matter. I think if you choose this route you should homeschool your children, Its selfish to put my child at risk when I didnt choose that risk.

If too many people start to act that way, we will have outbreaks everywhere.

I am terrified of the shots, I plan to space them out, delay MMR etc...but I know my son MUST get the immunizations to avoid a just as if not worse potential for a fatal disease and also to not spread it to any other innocent person.

Why would you worry if your kid is vaccinated? Isn't that why you vaccinate in the first place? To protect them from someone who may get the disease?
Sorry but that arguement that people use (not just you) is ignorant.

Vaccines are not 100% effective... and a strain can devlop making peoples vaccines useless, but the illness would not travel so far in the first place logically if all were vaccinated against it.

Example.....I had whopping cough as a child. I was hospitalized and very very sick, I was almost 3.

Turns out my batch of immunizations was expired...

But...Turns out there was a group of cousins in our school who had it, and were never vaccinated...

So there ya go..

I got it at no fault of my own. I would not have........ had they gotten their vaccinations.

Its not an end all be all to diseases of course, but its neccesary IMO.

Another example. My 1 yr old niece was dropped off by the babysitter to me today who said, looks like she has the measles....I was just FM'ing people how scared I was, b/c I have a newborn....Now she is not vaccinated yet at her age for it...And thankfully I was, or else, I could have gotten it...if she has it, and spread it to my newborn and spread it to how many other children I come into contact with ...And who knows where SHE got it from.....

So HOW is that an ignorant example now??

Believe me I understand the risks. See some of my posts, I wish I could NOT vaccinate, I do. I wish I could live that way, I want to, but the risks, they are just too high to not do it.

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I see a lot of writing about "mild childhood diseases". I would like to say that people do die from these diseases and it's easy to forget in this day and age how devastating they have been over time. I think people really dimiss things like the flu (not that I'm saying to get a flu vaccine, just using it as an example of something common that kills), but there were epidemics that killed thousands of people and, though you may not hear it as much, people still die from it and what it can develope into. Yes, I had chicken pox as a child and it wasn't that bad and more of an annoyance than life threatening. But I also had scarlet fever at 5 and I remember it quite clearly...being taken to the hospital and thrown in ice baths because my temp was 105 and screaming and my mom crying...I can't imagine going through that again and putting my child through that with something I could have prevented.
I also happened to be at the smithsonian when they had an exhibit about the history of polio and it's outbreaks....I was sickened and had to leave.
I'm not saying that you have to follow the recomended guidlines for shots in terms of how many you get at a visit and at what age to get them, but I really think they're worthwhile in the long run, for everyone's safety.

Message edited 8/23/2007 9:08:29 AM.

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What about if your child steps on a rusty nail, etc.? Do you just hope the child doesn't develop tetanus (which can be deadly)?

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We are stressing the importance of these shots so they do not spread among children but what about adults. This year I got chicken pox really bad when I was due 27 days later. The pain that I was in and the stress of what is going on with my baby was even worse. They say that pregnant women are at a really high risk because it can turn into phenmonia. Also if I went into labor with in 21 days give or take of having it the chances of my baby having were extremely high. You don't want to see pictures of a newborn baby having chicken pox. Well this was my life up until my baby was born on Jan 25 and then there is a 2 week waiting period after they are born until they are out of the clear. The fear of her being born with this had me crying all the time let alone thinking she could die from it. I'm sorry but we have to look at the bigger picture that it affects everyone.

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