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Ophelia
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
another one I'll join in on at the tail end. 
I think it is clear that our society does not base fair pay on the contributions one makes for it. I still don't understand this notion but whatever.
therefore, I would not suggest a salary. I simply could not.
and I think tenure is a good thing when used appropriately.
I would LOVE to suggest certain tax percentages though.
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mdn13
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by brownie
Posted by mdn13
Once again TENURE IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT GUARANTEE OF A JOB. IT IS a guarantee of DUE PROCESS before being fired!
Yes but the due process is VERY long and complicated and if any paper or date is not met, the teacher can file a grievance and can either extend it out or just fight it. It makes it very hard to get fired.
As the process should be. And I think it should be the same for every profession. Most reasons for dismissals in any profession is very subjective and therefore someone should take the time to check out the validity of the dismissal. However should the reason for dismissal be one that they are a danger to the students or others it can and should be a quick process.
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| Posted 2/24/11 2:07 PM |
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mdn13
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by Blu-ize
Posted by mdn13
Posted by Blu-ize
Posted by emilylives
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Perfectly said. Exactly what I was thinking. And to add about tenure, no one in the private sector has that. We are all at will employees in this state. We can get canned for no reason whatsoever.
Once again TENURE IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT GUARANTEE OF A JOB. IT IS a guarantee of DUE PROCESS before being fired!
That being said, if you are so jealous (that's exactly how you sound) of our right to a fair process maybe you should work on fighting for that in the field you are in, rather than being so angry at other people's professions that have it better than you. In my opinion, we ALL deserve due process.
Focus on doing better for yourself rather than making it worse for others.
Not angry just telling it like it is. I don't care if other professions have things I don't. I have things the other professions don't. Just don't down play tenure. There is none of that in the private sector. No hearing before you are fired, you are gone.
Happens every single day.
I'm not downplaying tenure. I'm saying it's necessary for EVERY profession. Once again don't try and take it away from some. Try fighting for it for ALL.
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DiamondGirl
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I must be a glutton for punishment to keep reading this thread. My head is throbbing from all the bologna written
Talk about being misinformed.
There are no more rubber rooms.
NYC teachers must complete a masters w/i 5 yrs or they are terminated.
You must have a DOUBLE masters to get top pay (at your salary step) and unlike LI you cannot just take classes and get raise. At 60 credits above your BA you are maxed.
That is all I will address the generally stupidity I will leave alone for some other brave soul
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by dfw343
Posted by brownie
 Is this for real?
what is it about my post that makes you laugh? I was stating my opinion as others have based on my experience. I don't think I was offending anyone.
Don't worry about it, I find that some people are very rude if you don't share their point of view.
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| Posted 2/24/11 2:18 PM |
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brownie
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by dfw343
Posted by brownie
Is this for real?
what is it about my post that makes you laugh? I was stating my opinion as others have based on my experience. I don't think I was offending anyone.
Don't worry about it, I find that some people are very rude if you don't share their point of view.
This has nothing to do w/my view or her's.....just how ridiculous the post sounds....lets take one small anecdotal piece of evidence and form an opinion on something not necessarily even related
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dfw343
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by brownie
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by dfw343
Posted by brownie
Is this for real?
what is it about my post that makes you laugh? I was stating my opinion as others have based on my experience. I don't think I was offending anyone.
Don't worry about it, I find that some people are very rude if you don't share their point of view.
This has nothing to do w/my view or her's.....just how ridiculous the post sounds....lets take one small anecdotal piece of evidence and form an opinion on something not necessarily even related
oy
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Hofstra26
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I am flabbergasted that this thread keeps going!!  
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
i cant believe how many people picked the less than 50,000 option...
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mrsej
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
I have no problem with LI teachers making over 100K. What I do have a problem with is when I hear my family members who are teachers complaining about their salaries. A ton of my family members are teachers in Westchester and LI and they all make over 90k. that is a great salary. My sympathy lies with the NYC teachers. Their conditions are worse and salary is so ridiculously low.
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Ophelia
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remember, when Gulliver traveled....
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by DiamondGirl
I must be a glutton for punishment to keep reading this thread. My head is throbbing from all the bologna written
Talk about being misinformed.
There are no more rubber rooms.
NYC teachers must complete a masters w/i 5 yrs or they are terminated.
You must have a DOUBLE masters to get top pay (at your salary step) and unlike LI you cannot just take classes and get raise. At 60 credits above your BA you are maxed.
I remember my high school english teacher busting her arse during her last year b/c she knew she had to complete the masters or else she would be canned.
I actually thought these were universal rules, for schools everywhere.
I took out the stupidity part b/c I don't think people are necessarily stupid. I only call myself stupid. cuz that is something I KNOW.
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LDrinkh20
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
just wanted to shed some light on the bathroom crumbling issue. Granted, I am a teacher on LI so I am not sure of how things work in the city but the teacher salary budget and the budget for things like building repair are totally unrelated. School districts can only spend money for teacher salary on TEACHER SALARY. Building repair issues come from an entirely different budget and even if you took money away from teacher's it wouldn't be able to be used for building repair.
Just throwing that out there.
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AngnShaun
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by Sweetheart409
i cant believe how many people picked the less than 50,000 option...
ITA
Shaun just went on a job interview and we had to fill out a sheet with every single one of our expenses so that he can figure out how much he needs to make in order to survive on his salary alone...
it was 60k and thats as a couple that rents (In Queens) and with no kids
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Blu-ize
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by mdn13
Posted by Blu-ize
Posted by mdn13
Posted by Blu-ize
Posted by emilylives
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Perfectly said. Exactly what I was thinking. And to add about tenure, no one in the private sector has that. We are all at will employees in this state. We can get canned for no reason whatsoever.
Once again TENURE IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT GUARANTEE OF A JOB. IT IS a guarantee of DUE PROCESS before being fired!
That being said, if you are so jealous (that's exactly how you sound) of our right to a fair process maybe you should work on fighting for that in the field you are in, rather than being so angry at other people's professions that have it better than you. In my opinion, we ALL deserve due process.
Focus on doing better for yourself rather than making it worse for others.
Not angry just telling it like it is. I don't care if other professions have things I don't. I have things the other professions don't. Just don't down play tenure. There is none of that in the private sector. No hearing before you are fired, you are gone.
Happens every single day.
I'm not downplaying tenure. I'm saying it's necessary for EVERY profession. Once again don't try and take it away from some. Try fighting for it for ALL.
I don't think tenure should be for everyone. I actually don't like it. I think it can do harm too. I think it can be abused. It's a faulty process.
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Bridex100
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by juanvi
Posted by BatGirl9910
This is a difficult question, I did not pick the highest nor the lowest salary option, and don't really have time to read all the responses posted on this thread but I will offer only some insight to this debate:
I'm an attorney and have 6 years experience as an attorney under my belt (10 years if I include my time working as a law clerk after graduating from law school in 2001). My salary right now (base, not including bonuses or income from my 2nd part time job) is not even 100K. Considering the fact that I had a double major/minor in college with a great GPA, had to deal with the LSAT, law school admissions, the BAR EXAM and bi-annual NY Attorney Registration Fees, plus student loan debt on top - it seems only fair that lawyers should demand a higher salary but unfortunately, lawyers these days are a dime a dozen and millions of entry level attorneys are earning barely 45-55K after graduation (and thats IF they can land a law related position).
Another attorney friend of mine works for the NYC Department of Environmental Protection as a compliance attorney - his salary is only $78K, and he has been practicing 10 years as well. He has to work weekends sometimes because of budget deadlines set by his department.
Teachers with 10 years experience and no extra credentials to their name other than a regular BA should not be getting 100K in my book. Sorry. I know teachers work hard, but for every great teacher that influences a young mind, there are 3 other teachers who are exorting taxpayers' money sitting in the rubber room playing Solitaire.
so no -I dont think 100K or even 80K is a fair salary. Between 50 and 80K would be just fine.
Just so you know...Teachers who have a "regular" BA don't get paid near 100 grand. I've got a double major BA and 2 Masters had to pass numerous tests so I guess both you AND I (being a teacher) have gone through much academia to be where we are. You are WRONG about the 3 to 1 ratio of bad to good teacher. I agree, the rubber room thing is terrible but administration can be partially blamed for that. Those teachers should have never rec. tenure.
My brother is a lawyer and I would say
that we worked equally hard and spent the same amount of money on an education. I don't think lawyers should make SO much more money than a teacher IMO which is what you seem to infer in your post.
I don't think number of years and cost of education justifies a lawyer making more than a teacher.
Lawyers are paid by the market based on supply and demand. I know a few years ago all the corporate law firms bumped their 1st year associate salaries to $165k. They had to do this to attract the right talent. If you didn't go to a good law school or have poor credentials, you can very well not find a job in this economy.
Teachers seem to get paid around the same no matter what. It's different for lawyers. Huge difference from someone who went to Yale Law vs someone who graduated average from a no name brand law school.
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dfw343
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by LDrinkh20
just wanted to shed some light on the bathroom crumbling issue. Granted, I am a teacher on LI so I am not sure of how things work in the city but the teacher salary budget and the budget for things like building repair are totally unrelated. School districts can only spend money for teacher salary on TEACHER SALARY. Building repair issues come from an entirely different budget and even if you took money away from teacher's it wouldn't be able to be used for building repair.
Just throwing that out there.
Thank you for explaining that to me and not laughing at me 
Still if you are a LI resident paying taxes with a kid, they should have a decent bathroom. But that is a whole other issue...
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LDrinkh20
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by dfw343
Posted by LDrinkh20
just wanted to shed some light on the bathroom crumbling issue. Granted, I am a teacher on LI so I am not sure of how things work in the city but the teacher salary budget and the budget for things like building repair are totally unrelated. School districts can only spend money for teacher salary on TEACHER SALARY. Building repair issues come from an entirely different budget and even if you took money away from teacher's it wouldn't be able to be used for building repair.
Just throwing that out there.
Thank you for explaining that to me and not laughing at me
Still if you are a LI resident paying taxes with a kid, they should have a decent bathroom. But that is a whole other issue...
No problem...i learned that this year when I asked my admin. why we needed to get all of these new gadgets in the building but are losing teachers left and right for next year...and he explained it to me
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Angelo26
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Anyone who voted for the lower amounts is saying that the people that educate the children in your neighborhood don't deserve to live there.
Feeling that way is pretty disgusting.
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Blazesyth
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by Angelo26
Anyone who voted for the lower amounts is saying that the people that educate the children in your neighborhood don't deserve to live there.
Feeling that way is pretty disgusting.
So your wife is a teacher, huh.   j/k
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MrsPorkChop
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
i voted 70-80
something to consider- not sure if it was sald already
teachers do not work all year long
and also have opportunities to make extra money with tutoring, coaching etc.
they are also off for snow and get home early enough to do things
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MissJones
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by MrsPorkChop
i voted 70-80
something to consider- not sure if it was sald already
teachers do not work all year long
and also have opportunities to make extra money with tutoring, coaching etc.
they are also off for snow and get home early enough to do things
I see your point here but this is also a misconception.
Yes, I get home at a great time, but I am also at my job earlier than a lot of other jobs. And just b/c my day technically ends at a certain time does not mean my day is over. I have spent many Sundays and many evenings doing school work. I have stayed long after the principal has gone home. Unfortunately, it is not one of those jobs that ends at 3:00. For some teachers, it is. For me, it's not.
As for snow...well, I work in NYC. We need a good 14 inches for that!
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by Bridex100
Teachers seem to get paid around the same no matter what. It's different for lawyers. Huge difference from someone who went to Yale Law vs someone who graduated average from a no name brand law school.
thank you!
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Posted by Angelo26
Anyone who voted for the lower amounts is saying that the people that educate the children in your neighborhood don't deserve to live there.
Feeling that way is pretty disgusting.
That is based on your assumption that all of us voting/posting live in wealthier communities. I do not live in a wealthy community, in fact I live in one of the poorer areas. I based my opinion on teacher salary based on their education and what the demands of the job are in relation to my level of education and the demands of my job.
The salary I voted for would allow a single teacher to own a nice home with reasonable taxes in the same community they are educating my children in. Two teachers or a decent second income in my district would allow for a very comfortable existance.
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Angelo26
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by MissJones
Posted by MrsPorkChop
i voted 70-80
something to consider- not sure if it was sald already
teachers do not work all year long
and also have opportunities to make extra money with tutoring, coaching etc.
they are also off for snow and get home early enough to do things
I see your point here but this is also a misconception.
Yes, I get home at a great time, but I am also at my job earlier than a lot of other jobs. And just b/c my day technically ends at a certain time does not mean my day is over. I have spent many Sundays and many evenings doing school work. I have stayed long after the principal has gone home. Unfortunately, it is not one of those jobs that ends at 3:00. For some teachers, it is. For me, it's not.
As for snow...well, I work in NYC. We need a good 14 inches for that!
So where can a teacher pick up another $20 grand during the year like your saying? Coaching pays a few thousand, and if you saw the hours they put in they're almost better off working for minimum wage, and tutoring jobs are hard to come by these days. And where can someone make an extra 10-15 grand? Working at a summer camp?
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: If you could suggest a salary for a teacher...
Posted by Angelo26
od 14 inches for that!
So where can a teacher pick up another $20 grand during the year like your saying? Coaching pays a few thousand, and if you saw the hours they put in they're almost better off working for minimum wage, and tutoring jobs are hard to come by these days. And where can someone make an extra 10-15 grand? Working at a summer camp?
My friend tutors on the side and makes $120 an hour. If you tutor 3 hours a week on average, that is over $15k.
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