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Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

Hello McCain/Palin supporters I just read this op-ed piece online regarding Sarah Palin and how some (including fellow republicans) feel she is running her own campaign with her own agenda.

Thought I'd put this out there and get your thoughts on the topic.

I'm not so sure how I feel about it. I mean it's good to know she has her own thoughts (whether I agree with them or not) but as the running mate of John McCain I'm not so sure it looks good if they differ on issues.


Here's the Article Link: LINK

As well as below...

Palin's Campaign vs. McCain's
When Sarah Palin disagrees with John McCain, it means something. Or does it?
By John Dickerson
Posted Monday, Oct. 20, 2008, at 7:22 PM ET


Has Sarah Palin "gone rogue"? For the last few weeks, Republicans inside and outside the McCain campaign have speculated about those moments when Palin and John McCain have appeared to disagree: Palin pressed to have the campaign compete for Michigan voters when strategists had given up on the state. She disagreed with McCain's opposition to a marriage amendment. She disagreed with McCain's opposition to removing North Korea from the list of terrorist nations. She thinks the campaign should talk about Barack Obama's ties to his former pastor Jeremiah Wright.

Even on Team Maverick, a vice-presidential candidate's job is to agree with the candidate at the top of the ticket. The only exception is when campaign strategists carefully orchestrate a schism—and we know when these moments are coming because everyone in the press is invited to watch.

But Palin's disagreements don't appear to be a part of a larger strategy. So, political insiders have started asking whether Palin is simply undisciplined or is intentionally ignoring the playbook. And if it's intentional, the question becomes: Is she putting her own political self-interest ahead of her running mate's?

As Obama's fortunes have improved, these questions have grown only more intense. I am sorry to report that I do not know the answers. But that's OK: Neither does anyone else. In fact, any answers you hear will almost certainly speak less to Palin's motivations than to those of the people talking about her.

Sunday, Palin appeared to call another audible. While McCain was defending his campaign's robo-calls attacking Barack Obama, Palin was knocking them. She said they were irritating voters and represented the "old conventional ways of campaigning." Palin appeared to be joining with Sen. Susan Collins of Maine and other Republicans who oppose the tactic. Plus, she used the word conventional to describe the McCain tactics. That's a word Obama uses to attack.

What was Palin up to? The question came up in my political conversations Monday morning. Several Republican veterans thought she was trying to distance herself from campaign strategy, which has been roundly criticized in GOP circles, to maintain her political viability for the future. The transcript, however, shows that Palin doesn't seem to be criticizing the tactic so much as bemoaning the fact that the campaign is stuck in a place where it has to use it. She's not making a moral argument that might burnish her credentials for the future as a reasonable person. She's just off-message.

Two weeks before, I was hearing the exact opposite spin: not that Palin was distancing herself from the campaign, but that the campaign was distancing itself from her. When Palin picked up her attacks on Obama, McCain loyalists, and even some inside his campaign, suggested that she'd done so on her own accord. Dressed in camouflage and night-vision goggles, she'd snuck out to hold rallies suggesting Obama palled around with terrorist William Ayers. She'd also told William Kristol that Obama's former pastor Jeremiah Wright was an appropriate topic of discussion, even though McCain had once said it was not.

This spin, the Palin-as-a-lone-wolf story, had the advantage of allowing McCain himself to remain above the fray while his campaign reaped the benefits of Palin's attacks. But if Palin-as-rogue was the strategy—and there's some evidence it was—it was a failure. Polls have shown that voters have a dimmer view of McCain because of these attacks. Obama's stature seems only to have grown.

Others argued that Palin's motives for picking up the attacks were not strategic but self-interested. By taking a tougher approach with Obama, she was aligning herself with conservative thinkers who have urged McCain to fight harder. If the McCain campaign is unsuccessful, she could say she was trying to do the right thing but was held back. A similar strategy was supposedly behind her opposition to the campaign's retreat from Michigan. If McCain loses, Palin will have proved that she was in favor of a more vigorous campaign—a useful position to cite if she hopes to run for national office again. And by supporting the gay-marriage-ban amendment, she keeps her ties strong to evangelical voters.

Part of this speculation is normal for any vice-presidential candidate. We've forgotten, during the Cheney years, that competing agendas always accompany any political partnership. Cheney had no future political ambitions (sadly), so no one speculated about how he might be positioning himself politically in the last eight years.

Also fueling the discussion about Palin's motivations is the brewing conversation that attends any campaign that appears to be on the ropes with two weeks to go. Democrats want to push the idea she's out for herself because it suggests that if the No. 2 on the ticket is looking out for her future, the race must really be over. Aides inside the campaign want to retain their political viability, so they blame Palin for the loss. The "going rogue" story line contributes to the idea that she sunk the effort. If they advocated for Palin in the first place, they can try to say (implausibly) that they never thought she'd be as bad as she's turned out to be.

Palin and her behavior have become a part of the crucial postmortem (pre-mortem?) for those hoping to affect the next generation of conservative thinking. McCain could still win. But as his fortunes appear to dim, those with the first explanations for his failure stand the best chance of shaping the post-McCain party.

Those outside the campaign who were against the Palin pick, meanwhile, want to characterize her as a purely self-interested politician—it's final proof of their prescience. Those who want to blame the campaign strategists paint Palin as a political natural damaged by a ham-handed campaign. One Republican veteran said that when Palin was asked to link Obama to Ayers, she resisted. It was McCain aides who pushed her to pick up the attack. A McCain aide tells me the exact opposite is true. Palin was regularly asking to be more aggressive.

With so many permutations and mixed motivations, the Palin saga is starting to feel like a Restoration play. (I hope in the end all the characters come onstage and all is revealed.) What does Sarah actually think? Who knows? Unlike previous vice-presidential candidates and most other politically ambitious people, she doesn't have a political hack who has been at her side for years, protecting her political portfolio and spinning the press to preserve her reputation. If she really wants to have a national political future, now may be the time for her to go out and get herself one.

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Posted 10/21/08 1:42 PM
 
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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

Interesting. I was surprised by a lot of her comments during the VP debates where it sounded like she was promoting herself more than John McCain and her ticket. It made me wonder whether she had future aspirations and was just using this campaign to springboard her own political career.

I also found it interesting to hear all of the different ways people are spinning this to serve their own interests.

Posted 10/21/08 1:56 PM
 

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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

Posted by bluegreen08

Interesting. I was surprised by a lot of her comments during the VP debates where it sounded like she was promoting herself more than John McCain and her ticket. It made me wonder whether she had future aspirations and was just using this campaign to springboard her own political career.

I also found it interesting to hear all of the different ways people are spinning this to serve their own interests.



I agree, she did come off more moderate especially in the debates than she has on the campaign trail or in her voting record but as discussed in the other thread I'm sure the stategy is to maintain an "electable" presence.

I wouldn't be surprised if she is trying to springboard her own political career - who can blame her? She went from being the governor of Alaska to the VP nominee that's huge.

She certainly has caught the attention of the GOP and the media I think she'd be a fool not to make the most of it.

Posted 10/21/08 2:01 PM
 

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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

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Posted by bluegreen08

Interesting. I was surprised by a lot of her comments during the VP debates where it sounded like she was promoting herself more than John McCain and her ticket. It made me wonder whether she had future aspirations and was just using this campaign to springboard her own political career.

I also found it interesting to hear all of the different ways people are spinning this to serve their own interests.



I agree, she did come off more moderate especially in the debates than she has on the campaign trail or in her voting record but as discussed in the other thread I'm sure the stategy is to maintain an "electable" presence.

I wouldn't be surprised if she is trying to springboard her own political career - who can blame her? She went from being the governor of Alaska to the VP nominee that's huge.

She certainly has caught the attention of the GOP and the media I think she'd be a fool not to make the most of it.



She def came off more moderate at the debates --- like when she talked about gay rights. I dont think she actually believes that, but it sounded good to the undecided voters. Also, she's against stem cell research but McCain is in favor of it. I think she is a lot more extreme than he is or than she'll admit when talking to the general public, but when talking to conservative christians or evangelicals she sings a different song

it's part of the game, but i think she's playing the field a little too much for my liking (and its not all that believable)

Posted 10/21/08 2:09 PM
 

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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

While i do agree that they should show a "unified force"; it is common knowledge that she is much more conservative than McCain.

Is this a reliable source? I mean, I have been scrutinized for mine not coming from abc or CNN (though I do prefer FOX - I'm sure you know why)

Also, I would be more concerned with Biden's comments about "just give him a chance. Stick with him" showing signs of uncertainty and how this goes along with the comments he made months ago about his running mate not being "ready".


As a matter of fact, I find this portion of his speech even more puzzling:

"I promise you, you all are going to be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls, why is the polling so down, why is this thing so tough?' We're going have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years," said Biden. "I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us."


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Posted 10/21/08 2:29 PM
 

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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

OP Ed pieces are never reliable sources.

I agree w/ snowflake when she said "Also, I would be more concerned with Biden's comments about "just give him a chance. Stick with him" showing signes of uncertainty and how this goes along with the comments he made months ago about his running mate not being "ready"."

only foxnews, cbs (who took it off their website), cw11 (who do not have it on their website) and abc who are not playing it as news-but are showing a video of the GOP rightfully using biden's words and calling it an attack instead of reporting it as news as they should.
the media is so biased--unbiased journalism is dead.

if palin had made that comment, it would be the lead story on every network- it would not be ignored by cnn or a footnote and then pushed away by other media.

here is the link from abc. fox also has a link and they treat it like news and have a discussion about it, but i know how many of you feel about foxnews.
abc link to what biden said

In biden's own words (pay close attention to the quote about if obama becomes pres and the very last paragraph)
October 20, 2008
Biden predicts early crisis will test Obama
Posted: 08:00 AM ET

From CNN Political Producer Alexander Marquardt


Biden predicts Obama will have to make some unpopular decisions in his first six months in office.
SEATTLE (CNN) — Joe Biden told Democratic fundraisers Sunday night that there is no doubt in his mind a crisis will occur during Barack Obama's first six months in office that will test his mettle and force him to make unpopular decisions.

"Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy," said Biden to a roomful of donors. "The world is looking. We're about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America."

"Remember I said it standing here, if you don't remember anything else I said," Biden continued. "Watch, we're going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.

"I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it's going happen. I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate."

The Delaware senator spoke at two Seattle fundraises Sunday night, expected to bring in $1 million for the campaign. Biden told the supporters that when Obama will need them to stand with the administration on the difficult calls — not financially, but by using their influence within their communities to convince others that the right decisions are being made.

"I promise you, you all are going to be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls, why is the polling so down, why is this thing so tough?' We're going have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years," said Biden. "I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us."


Telling the crowd to "gird their loins" for a bumpy beginning to the next presidential term, Biden said it wouldn't be initially apparent that the correct decisions are being made because "they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."

Fundraisers are generally closed to the media's cameras, though print journalists are usually allowed in. Biden appeared to forget Sunday night's fundraiser wasn't closed to reporters, saying, "I probably shouldn't have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here." Moments later, he ended his remarks.

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Posted 10/21/08 2:38 PM
 

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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

Posted by evnme

OP Ed pieces are never reliable sources.

I agree w/ snowflake when she said "Also, I would be more concerned with Biden's comments about "just give him a chance. Stick with him" showing signes of uncertainty and how this goes along with the comments he made months ago about his running mate not being "ready"."

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but Biden made the he is not ready comment about Obama when he was running against him- so consider the context- of course he was going to say that

Posted 10/21/08 2:41 PM
 

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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

Posted by Beth1210

Posted by evnme

OP Ed pieces are never reliable sources.

I agree w/ snowflake when she said "Also, I would be more concerned with Biden's comments about "just give him a chance. Stick with him" showing signs of uncertainty and how this goes along with the comments he made months ago about his running mate not being "ready"."

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but Biden made the he is not ready comment about Obama when he was running against him- so consider the context- of course he was going to say that



understood but when running against someone is when you say how you"truly" feel (and i use that term loosely as i dont know how true ANY politician is)

think of what hillary said about him and is now by his side - of course - but he still said them

Posted 10/21/08 2:44 PM
 

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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

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but Biden made the he is not ready comment about Obama when he was running against him- so consider the context- of course he was going to say that



So because Biden didn't win the democratic nomination, it's okay to now think Obama is ready? That seems like a flip flop to me and has been my biggest concern with the democratic ticket. I was also very put off when Obama changed his mind about Public Campaign Financing once he was nominated. These are some of the things that make a decision difficult for me.

Posted 10/21/08 2:46 PM
 

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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

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but Biden made the he is not ready comment about Obama when he was running against him- so consider the context- of course he was going to say that


understood but when running against someone is when you say how you"truly" feel (and i use that term loosely as i dont know how true ANY politician is)

think of what hillary said about him and is now by his side - of course - but he still said them


what do you expect them to say- don't vote for me- vote for the person running against me

I pay no attention to anything ANYone running said about the person they were running against in the primaries

republican or democrat

Posted 10/21/08 2:46 PM
 

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Posted by Beth1210


what do you expect them to say- don't vote for me- vote for the person running against me






I expect people to mean what they say and say what they mean. I really wish we had candidates that had enough character to stand behind what they say...whether well received or not.

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Posted 10/21/08 2:50 PM
 

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Posted by shamrock124

Posted by Beth1210


what do you expect them to say- don't vote for me- vote for the person running against me






I expect people to mean what they say and say what they mean. I really wish we had candidates that had enough character to stand behind what they say...whether well received or not.



so how should they run against each other in the primary? by saying nice things about each other?

Posted 10/21/08 2:52 PM
 

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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

OK, so we agree to disagree.
Nuff said....

Posted 10/21/08 2:53 PM
 

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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

I LOVE Biden's remarks.

I dont' see ANYTHING wrong with them in the least.

GO JOE GO!

honestly and bluntness is refreshing.

he is basically saying WE ARE IN DEEP **** and to get out of it, they may have to make some sucky decisions.

to ME, it's a no brainer and to be expected.

but I applaud him for acknowleging it and reassuring us (b/c that is what I took his speech to do) that they are in it and will be fighting for the long haul for our country to bounce back and come out on top.

Posted 10/21/08 2:53 PM
 

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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

lol
ok

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Posted by Beth1210

Posted by shamrock124

Posted by Beth1210


what do you expect them to say- don't vote for me- vote for the person running against me






I expect people to mean what they say and say what they mean. I really wish we had candidates that had enough character to stand behind what they say...whether well received or not.



so how should they run against each other in the primary? by saying nice things about each other?



I would love to see them run on their principles and what they, as an elected official, will bring to the position. I don't want candidates winning a nomination because they are better at insinuating things about their opponent then the other guy.

Posted 10/21/08 2:54 PM
 

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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

Posted by Ophelia

I LOVE Biden's remarks.

I dont' see ANYTHING wrong with them in the least.

GO JOE GO!

honestly and bluntness is refreshing.

he is basically saying WE ARE IN DEEP **** and to get out of it, they may have to make some sucky decisions.

to ME, it's a no brainer and to be expected.

but I applaud him for acknowleging it and reassuring us (b/c that is what I took his speech to do) that they are in it and will be fighting for the long haul for our country to bounce back and come out on top.



Biden is being 10000000% honest.

If McCain wins then he will be tested the same way. Either way it will be sh!tty...the next year will be the toughest in history.

Posted 10/21/08 3:02 PM
 

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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

I think the sentences that followed were more shocking than just saying we will be tested.

Of course we will be tested, that always happens. What came after was more questionable

Posted 10/21/08 3:03 PM
 

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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

Posted by snowflake08

I think the sentences that followed were more shocking than just saying we will be tested.

Of course we will be tested, that always happens. What came after was more questionable



Chat Icon that's your opinion.

you are confusing the election with Halloween I think. don't be so askarred.

Posted 10/21/08 3:09 PM
 

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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

which sentences were scary?

Posted 10/21/08 3:13 PM
 

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of course its my opinion
that is why i prefaced it with "i think"

What everyone wrote is their opinion!!
But of course, mine will be commented on - Thanks!!!

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Posted 10/21/08 3:13 PM
 

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which sentences were scary?


i NEVER said or used the word scary


The last sentence of this
"I promise you, you all are going to be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls, why is the polling so down, why is this thing so tough?' We're going have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years," said Biden. "I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us."

MY OPINION
I dont want to have to reinforce someone that I vote for! They should be reinforcing US as to why we CHOSE THEM!!

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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

Posted by snowflake08

While i do agree that they should show a "unified force"; it is common knowledge that she is much more conservative than McCain.

Is this a reliable source? I mean, I have been scrutinized for mine not coming from abc or CNN (though I do prefer FOX - I'm sure you know why)

Also, I would be more concerned with Biden's comments about "just give him a chance. Stick with him" showing signs of uncertainty and how this goes along with the comments he made months ago about his running mate not being "ready".


As a matter of fact, I find this portion of his speech even more puzzling:

"I promise you, you all are going to be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls, why is the polling so down, why is this thing so tough?' We're going have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years," said Biden. "I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us."


SOURCE



Snowflake -

I CLEARLY stated it's an OP-ED piece. I read it, thought it was interesting and shared it to get the opinion of those who are in support of the McCain/Palin ticket.

I NEVER tried to pass this off as fact so I'm not sure why I would quote any other sources than providing the link to the Slate article. Chat Icon

Additionally, I NEVER bugged you about where you got your "information" from so please leave me out of your issues with that.

As for me worring about Biden - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE stick to the topic at hand.

I'm NOT discussing an OP-ED article about the Obama/Biden ticket.

Lastly...I've never fully commented on WHO I will be voting for this election, so PLEASE do not ASSUME you know.

Thanks!

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Posted by snowflake08

I think the sentences that followed were more shocking than just saying we will be tested.

Of course we will be tested, that always happens. What came after was more questionable



What did you find shocking? I ask because I am curious. I really didn't find anything shocking with what Biden said. I think everything he said was pretty obvious. I think the first 2q of 2009 are going to be tough because that is when the American public will be hit in the face with the reality that we are in a recession after the GDP numbers for 2008 3rd and 4th q are revised down. I think whoever is in office is going to have a rough go because of the global economic issues.

Posted 10/21/08 3:14 PM
 

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Re: Interesting Op-Ed Piece regarding Sarah Palin

Posted by snowflake08

of course its my opinion
that is why i prefaced it with "i think"

What everyone wrote is their opinion!!
But of course, mine will be commented on - Thanks!!!

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