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buttercup
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Re: Mental Illness in America
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While that article has some valid points I can't help compare to the incident that happened in China (the same day) where I would presume a "mentally deranged" man entered a school to attack children..... With a knife. Total deaths? 0 .....
I agree..I have some of the same feelings. I feel that had it not been a semi automatic rifle and just the handguns, I don't think there would have been as many causalities and some shot may have lived.
I really don't understand the NEED or REASON for a person living in a suburb to own a semi automatic rifle styled after semi automatics used in modern day warfare? Why would anyone need a firearm like that?
I agree. Sorry if this offends anyone but it's sick IMO to live in the suburbs and somehow feel this strong desire to possess many weapons that can kill so many. A handgun, that is one thing but multiple weapons that can easily kill many at once, irresponsible and ODD if you ask me.
To me its more like, how well do I know my neighbours.. or do I even really want to know them? I get them people have different interests and though I will never, ever understand what the fascination with guns will be (its a weapon used to cause destruction and harm) but whatever. We spend every last dime trying to find the perfect school district and picturesque streets etc hoping that we will be immune to this but we how safe are we really..
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Re: Mental Illness in America
Posted by MrsFlatbread
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My DH said that with the stigma mental illness has and being in an affluent community, he wouldnt be surprised if she did her best to cover it up and shield him. Thinking it was the best way to handle and thus put herself at risk and now ultimately 26 innocent beings who died not knowing why.
while this may be true, no mother could ever think their child, mentally ill or not, would ever do such a thing.
Sorry, I disagree. I have met parents as such and have faced an intern that threatened to shoot up the building a few years ago. His parents withdrew him from college because they took his outburst seriously and didnt dismiss it as as just part of his illness.
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| Posted 12/17/12 9:26 AM |
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racheK
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Re: Mental Illness in America
I'm speaking out as someone who has suffered from mental illness myself. I'm not really afraid to talk about it because I do think that many people have misconceptions about mental illness (Not this community thank goodness, because a lot of LIF seems to understand more than the general public).
I have never been sick to a point where it has been extremely obvious to acquaintances, but I have suffered and am currently on medication. I was never a threat to others but I was definitely a threat to myself. At a time, treatment and medication was the only thing keeping me alive. I haven't heard about specific medications that Adam Lanza was on but I have been watching the news closely and haven't heard anything about treatment and medication, just that his mother was worried about him. There is something wrong with that to me. I don't know the whole story and hopefully more will come out but I do want to know why he wasn't in treatment, and from what I can tell, I'm not sure a lack of health insurance/treatment options were the problem.
I was older than Adam Lanza when my mental illness(es) began. Even though I wasn't living with my parents, my parents took precautions to make sure that I was safe. They do not own guns but they would never have allowed me to have anything that could be used as weapons, they even took precautions to remove sharp objects from my home, which I hadn't even thought of using at the time but they knew better than to trust me (and they didn't even have experience with mental illness in the past). Even though I was a working professional, my family watched me like a hawk. I don't know how Adam Lanza had access to weapons if he mother had any concerns about mental health.
I know that most parents do not believe their child could commit a crime like Adam Lanza did. I want to know why his mother didn't take precautions to ensure Adam wasn't even a threat to himself? I believe she could have thought that the guns in the home could have been a danger to himself, not just other people.
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| Posted 12/17/12 9:57 AM |
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I think there are so many things going on here, so many systems that failed and the result of that failure is incomprehensible, evil acts. As I see it, better care for the mentally ill, less access to semi-automatic weapons and honestly, a little common sense are needed in my opinion. My sister has co-morbid disabilities and mental illness. She is currently doing well, but went through a period where she was violent and quite harmful to herself (and only not to others because she has physical disabilities as well and could therefore be restrained/out-run). My parents did not close their eyes to the situation. They removed sharp objects from places where she could get to them. They took away heavy things. They put a lock system on her windows.. They kept a shot of Ativan in a locked drawer to sedate her if needed. They sure as hell didn't go out and fill their house with military grade weapons and ammunition or take her to a shooting range. And even still she was nearly impossible to control. The healthcare system failed her for a long time. Doctors wrote prescriptions, and she was able to manipulate them into thinking she was doing everything they said (with a significantly lower IQ than the average American) so they kept writing them even though she was just as violent as before. Health insurance covered very little and would not cover most alternative housing arrangements. My parents put her on a list for an assisted apartment/group home and waited 2 years for a spot to open up. They had to put her on Medicaid to even be eligible for the housing (even though they were willing to pay for it). It took 2 tries (and nearly 4 years in total) to get her into housing with the level of supervision she needed. They hospitalized her more than once, she was discharged within a couple of days, she knew how to say the right things.
I don't know what the solution is, I wish I had the answer, but I do know that the system is broken in many, fundamental ways and we should really start working to fix it.
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Re: Mental Illness in America
Posted by BeachGrl
I agree with this. Unfortunately, I think part of the problem is that a lot of parents don't want to admit when their child has a mental problem. Whether it be developmental delays, personality disorders, autism, etc. They like to think that their child is perfect and don't want to come to terms with the fact that unfortunately their child does need medical help.
I think there should be a law in place to force people to get their kids medical help, regardless of how hard it is for the parent to admit their child is sick or whatever. Too many parents and family members turn their head the other way to avoid facing the truth bc it's hard for them.
Also, there needs to be a way we can make sure these patients are taking their medication every day, and the right way. It's easy for a dr to just write a prescription out, and send it home with the patient or family, but how do we know they're really going to take their medication?
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| Posted 12/17/12 2:55 PM |
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Re: Mental Illness in America
Posted by MrsFlatbread
I suspect the mother was trying to keep her son protected from the label of 'mental illness.' So sad.
My heart goes out to all of the families.
This is what I think. Either she was trying to hide/ignore it or she was living in MAJOR denial.
I read one report that said she pulled him out of school to homeschool him because she disagreed with the school's plan for him.
"I know she had issue with school. She eventually wound up homeschooling him. She battled the school district. If it was behavior, if it was learning disabilities, I really don’t know, but he was a very, very bright boy. He was smart,” Marsha Lanza told WBBM-TV, CBS 2 Chicago."
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Posted by digweed
I work with the mentally ill and all I know is it isn't going to get better. Funds from the state keep getting cut and it is only going to get worse. It is sad.
yes I too work in the field. It's sad how many programs are being cut. 
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Re: Mental Illness in America
Posted by racheK
I'm speaking out as someone who has suffered from mental illness myself. I'm not really afraid to talk about it because I do think that many people have misconceptions about mental illness (Not this community thank goodness, because a lot of LIF seems to understand more than the general public).
I have never been sick to a point where it has been extremely obvious to acquaintances, but I have suffered and am currently on medication. I was never a threat to others but I was definitely a threat to myself. At a time, treatment and medication was the only thing keeping me alive. I haven't heard about specific medications that Adam Lanza was on but I have been watching the news closely and haven't heard anything about treatment and medication, just that his mother was worried about him. There is something wrong with that to me. I don't know the whole story and hopefully more will come out but I do want to know why he wasn't in treatment, and from what I can tell, I'm not sure a lack of health insurance/treatment options were the problem.
I was older than Adam Lanza when my mental illness(es) began. Even though I wasn't living with my parents, my parents took precautions to make sure that I was safe. They do not own guns but they would never have allowed me to have anything that could be used as weapons, they even took precautions to remove sharp objects from my home, which I hadn't even thought of using at the time but they knew better than to trust me (and they didn't even have experience with mental illness in the past). Even though I was a working professional, my family watched me like a hawk. I don't know how Adam Lanza had access to weapons if he mother had any concerns about mental health.
I know that most parents do not believe their child could commit a crime like Adam Lanza did. I want to know why his mother didn't take precautions to ensure Adam wasn't even a threat to himself? I believe she could have thought that the guns in the home could have been a danger to himself, not just other people.
Thank you for this. I also suffer from several mental illness', or "issues" if you will.. (anxiety, depression, an eating disorder and body image issues) and have for most of my life, starting around age 7. The more people who speak honestly, openly and without shame, the less people who don't have these problems won't be afraid of those who do. Mental health is a taboo subject for many. I hope this tragedy can start a national conversation about mental health as well as serious gun control reform.
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I think there is more to the story and I am surprised the media hasn't picked up on this.
Eric Harris, one of the Columbine shooters, was taking Luvox, which, like Prozac, Zoloft and Paxil, belongs to the class of drugs known as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs).
In one out of every 25 children taking it, Luvox causes mania, “a psychosis characterized by exalted feelings, delusions of grandeur…and overproduction of ideas.”
Likely due to pressure from the pharmaceutical industry-heavy advertisers in all media-the national debate on the epidemic of teen violence has ignored the widespread use of prescription drugs in teens and particularly those who have committed monstrous acts. However, the drug-violence link is frighteningly common. Fifteen-year-old Shawn Cooper of Notus, Idaho, fired a shotgun at students and school staff. According to his stepfather, he had been taking an SSRI. Thirteen-year-old Chris Fetters of Iowa killed her favorite aunt. She was taking Prozac. Kip Kinkel, a 15-year-old youth, went on a rampage in Oregon. He first shot and killed his parents, spent the night with the bodies (characteristic of the dissociative reaction these drugs often cause), then killed two and wounded 22 of his fellow students at Thurston High School. He was taking Prozac.
I bet Lanza was on an SSRI as well, but lets see how much it's spoken about.
http://ssristories.com/index.php
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Re: Mental Illness in America
Posted by EclecticEsq10810
I think there is more to the story and I am surprised the media hasn't picked up on this.
Eric Harris, one of the Columbine shooters, was taking Luvox, which, like Prozac, Zoloft and Paxil, belongs to the class of drugs known as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs).
In one out of every 25 children taking it, Luvox causes mania, “a psychosis characterized by exalted feelings, delusions of grandeur…and overproduction of ideas.”
Likely due to pressure from the pharmaceutical industry-heavy advertisers in all media-the national debate on the epidemic of teen violence has ignored the widespread use of prescription drugs in teens and particularly those who have committed monstrous acts. However, the drug-violence link is frighteningly common. Fifteen-year-old Shawn Cooper of Notus, Idaho, fired a shotgun at students and school staff. According to his stepfather, he had been taking an SSRI. Thirteen-year-old Chris Fetters of Iowa killed her favorite aunt. She was taking Prozac. Kip Kinkel, a 15-year-old youth, went on a rampage in Oregon. He first shot and killed his parents, spent the night with the bodies (characteristic of the dissociative reaction these drugs often cause), then killed two and wounded 22 of his fellow students at Thurston High School. He was taking Prozac.
I bet Lanza was on an SSRI as well, but lets see how much it's spoken about.
http://ssristories.com/index.php
I just thought of another question reading your response. If someone was crazy enough to do what they did to all those children, I wonder if he was still "sane" or responsible enough to continue taking his meds every day. Like for instance, they said he was trying to buy a gun that Tuesday before the shooting which means he was planning this for a long time. Do you think this person would still care enough to continue taking his meds? (Not you, the you is general lol)
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