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Mom Faces Trial for Leaving Child in Car
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CHICAGO (March 11) - Treffly Coyne was out of her car for just minutes and no more than 10 yards away.
But that was long and far enough to land her in court after a police officer spotted her sleeping 2-year-old daughter alone in the vehicle; Coyne had taken her two older daughters to pour $8.29 in coins into a Salvation Army kettle.
Minutes later, she was under arrest - the focus of both a police investigation and a probe by the state's child welfare agency. Now the case that has become an Internet flash point for people who either blast police for overstepping their authority or Coyne for putting a child in danger.
The 36-year-old suburban mother is preparing to go on trial Thursday on misdemeanor charges of child endangerment and obstructing a peace officer. If convicted, she could be sentenced to a year in jail and fined $2,500, even though child welfare workers found no credible evidence of abuse or neglect.
On Dec. 8 Coyne decided to drive to Wal-Mart in the Chicago suburb of Crestwood so her children and a young friend could donate the coins they'd collected at her husband's office.
Even as she buckled 2-year-old Phoebe into the car, the girl was asleep. When Coyne arrived at the store, she found a spot to park in a loading zone, right behind someone tying a Christmas tree onto a car.
"It's sleeting out, it's not pleasant, I don't want to disturb her, wake her up," Coyne said this week. "It was safer to leave her in the safety and warmth of an alarmed car than take her."
So Coyne switched on the emergency flashers, locked the car, activated the alarm and walked the other children to the bell ringer.
She snapped a few pictures of the girls donating money and headed back to the car. But a community service officer blocked her way.
"She was on a tirade, she was yelling at me," Coyne said. The officer, Coyne said, didn't want to hear about how close Coyne was, how she never set foot inside the store and was just there to let the kids donate money, or how she could always see her car.
Coyne telephoned her husband, Tim Janecyk, who advised her not to say anything else to police until he arrived. So Coyne declined to talk further, refusing even to tell police her child's name.
When Janecyk pulled up, his wife already was handcuffed, sitting in a patrol car.
Crestwood Police Chief Timothy Sulikowski declined to comment about the case. But he did not dispute the contention that Coyne parked nearby or was away from her car for just a few minutes.
He did, however, suggest Coyne put her child at risk.
"A minute or two, that's when things can happen," he said.
Talk about the case has intensified, particularly online, where bloggers are weighing in on various message boards.
Many have harsh words for the police department, calling the arrest of a mother who left her child in a locked car for a few minutes an abuse of authority.
Yet statistics show thousands of children are injured and dozens die every year after being left unattended near or inside vehicles.
"I am talking tens of thousands of people who leave their kids in the car for any period of time all around America," said Janette Fennell, founder and president of Kansas-based Kids and Cars. "People don't appreciate the dangers of leaving a child alone in the car."
Coyne's attorney, Michelle Forbes, argued that Coyne did not break the law any more than a mother who parks in front of a school in a rainstorm and leaves an infant in the car as she runs a few feet to pick up another child.
"As long as the car is not out of her sight, then the child is not unattended," she said.
Coyne and her husband believe she is unfairly being lumped in with parents who put their children's lives at risk.
"If I were going on a shopping spree then, yes, I would deserve arrest," Coyne said. "I was standing right there. I never went into the store.
"I'm a great parent."
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Re: Mom Faces Trial for Leaving Child in Car
I think it is extreme. I have done this to drop something in the mailbox etc. I feel so bad for her
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Posted 3/12/08 4:57 PM |
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Re: Mom Faces Trial for Leaving Child in Car
honestly, I do not think she did anything wrong...this is riduculous
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Posted 3/12/08 4:58 PM |
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Re: Mom Faces Trial for Leaving Child in Car
Posted by 5ofClubs
I think it is extreme. I have done this to drop something in the mailbox etc. I feel so bad for her
ITA. I understand why they have these laws, but this is silly.
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bicosi
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Re: Mom Faces Trial for Leaving Child in Car
WOW. I've heard some crazy stories about parents leaving their kids in the car while shopping or for hours and hours. But this seemed harmless IMO.
I cannot say that I would have felt comfortable leaving my kid in the car, but if all she did was get out and snapped a picture of the other girls, that's ridiculous.
It's like me pulliing up to my friends/family's house to pick up my other child, and pulling into the driveway and running up to ring the doorbell.
It's crazy.
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Posted by stephanief
honestly, I do not think she did anything wrong...this is riduculous
i agree with this and what Bicosi said, i wouldn't do it, but i dont think this women was wrong
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That is aboslutly crazzyyy.... Why cant she just get a slap on the wrist like drunk drivers do or people in position of drugs...hookers..pot smokers...do they go to jail for 1 year.. A Mom who is donating $$ to a helping cause , leaves her sleeping child in a car for 1 min get 1 year in jail CRAZY
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Posted 3/12/08 5:16 PM |
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This totally pizzes me off. I'm sorry, but the nerve of that cop....find something USEFUL to do you friggin moron. God, what an complete a**shole. He should lose his job for wasting our tax money. Idiot.
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That is stupid! It is one thing to leave them in the heat for 2 hours while you shop, but come on- not even 10 yards away so her daughters can drop coins in a bucket? Give me a break.
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Posted 3/12/08 5:34 PM |
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i feel like the cops are going a little overboard here.. not saying i would have done what that mother did, but it was not grounds for arresting her and treating her like she neglected her child or something. i feel horrible for her.
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Posted 3/12/08 9:37 PM |
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Gotta love our justice system. The assistant principal mother that repeatedly had forgotten her child in the car and the child utlimately dies, isn't charged. Then this woman who did nothing wrong is having to face trial and waste taxpayer dollars.
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Posted 3/12/08 9:47 PM |
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Re: Mom Faces Trial for Leaving Child in Car
Posted by stephanief
honestly, I do not think she did anything wrong...this is riduculous
I agree. That cop should be ashamed because I think a year away from her children in prison would do them much more harm than the incident she's being punished for.
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Posted 3/12/08 9:53 PM |
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It's so frustrating to hear this woman gets arrested on the spot but the parents that leave their children in the car when it's 90degrees out with the windows shut, no one seems to be around.
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Posted 3/12/08 10:32 PM |
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Re: Mom Faces Trial for Leaving Child in Car
I always thought you were suppose to put the baby in the car, unpack groceries, then put cart away...that's definitely 10 yards...
this should be thrown out, just silly
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Posted 3/12/08 10:36 PM |
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Re: Mom Faces Trial for Leaving Child in Car
I dunno honestly my two year old is able to undo his carseat so leaving him in the carseat with a car on even though its armed isn't safe because within seconds when I was taking pictures of my other children (which does mean her eyes were off the car) he could have put my car in reverse or drive. And since my BIL did that once growing up as well as my own brother it doesn't seem that uncommon. I also see no reason for her to be parked in that zone for her kids to give money to the Salvation Army especially when her other child was already asleep prior to leaving her house and orginally buckling in the child. Why not leave the child home or wait until she is up. Im in Florida now and this is a big nono here.
This article also doesn't state how long they were away from the car. It does say she was minutes away but alot can happen in a second. And also it doesn't say how old the older girls were they may have been old enough to go up to the kettle by themselves with their mother only minutes away but with their younger sibling.
In my opinion this is way different then putting away groceries since she was obviously distracted taking pictures.
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Posted 3/13/08 3:47 AM |
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I think it's extreme.
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Posted 3/13/08 4:51 AM |
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Posted by Janice
I always thought you were suppose to put the baby in the car, unpack groceries, then put cart away...that's definitely 10 yards...
this should be thrown out, just silly
That is a great point. When you are putting the cart away you are definitely distracted for a few seconds.
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Posted 3/13/08 8:43 AM |
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I think proscuiting her to the fullest extent the law allows might be a little out there, making an example out of her, but I'm sorry, I don't think you should leave your kids in the car for ANY amount of time unsuperivised no matter if you are 2 yards or 10 yards away. Things can happen in a matter of SECONDS.
I have NEVER left my kids out of my sight while loading a car, or leaving them in the car alone for any reason ever, never ever not even 1 time. But that's just me.
Just because alot of people do it doesn't make it right. JMHO.
ETA: and the supermarket cart thing, I never put the cart back after i put my kids in the car. The store employees can grab it, i'm not leaving my kids unsupervised to be a good shopper.
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I think proscuiting her to the fullest extent the law allows might be a little out there, making an example out of her, but I'm sorry, I don't think you should leave your kids in the car for ANY amount of time unsuperivised no matter if you are 2 yards or 10 yards away. Things can happen in a matter of SECONDS.
I have NEVER left my kids out of my sight while loading a car, or leaving them in the car alone for any reason ever, never ever not even 1 time. But that's just me.
Just because alot of people do it doesn't make it right. JMHO.
I agree. I think charging her to this extent is definitely a perversion of the law.
But, at the same time, I would, and have, never, ever, left Alex in the car alone unsupervised. Not even to put a cart away at the supermarket. Maybe I'm an anxious, superparanoid mommy, but I know first-hand that disasters can happen in a matter of seconds, a blink of an eye is all it takes for someone to break your window, for your kid to unstrap themselves, for another car not paying attention to slam into yours, etc.
I'm not saying I think it should be punishable by law to leave your child in a car unattended for a minute or two. I just don't think it's a very good idea.
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Posted by CathyB
Posted by 5ofClubs
I think it is extreme. I have done this to drop something in the mailbox etc. I feel so bad for her
ITA. I understand why they have these laws, but this is silly.
I also agree
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Posted by sweetness
I think proscuiting her to the fullest extent the law allows might be a little out there, making an example out of her, but I'm sorry, I don't think you should leave your kids in the car for ANY amount of time unsuperivised no matter if you are 2 yards or 10 yards away. Things can happen in a matter of SECONDS.
I have NEVER left my kids out of my sight while loading a car, or leaving them in the car alone for any reason ever, never ever not even 1 time. But that's just me.
Just because alot of people do it doesn't make it right. JMHO.
I'm still not exactly sure how I feel about this. I agree that you shouldn't leave DC unattended, but punishment that severe will only cause more damage.
Also, taking the "never letting my kids out of sight" issue to the extreme, there are kids who get hurt or worse in the home. Can parents never go to the bathroom without DC? Should DC be strapped to mom's chest until they are 18? Yes, this is an overexaggerated extreme, but it points out that there are grey areas in laws and life.
In a few seconds, DD is able to climb up on her highchair and start jumping up and down. Should I go to jail because I let her in the next room for a minute or two?
She's getting attacked because it was out in public. If she left DD alone in the house and played with her other DC in the yard and didn't have a monitor with her, nobody would say anything.
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Posted by sweetness
I think proscuiting her to the fullest extent the law allows might be a little out there, making an example out of her, but I'm sorry, I don't think you should leave your kids in the car for ANY amount of time unsuperivised no matter if you are 2 yards or 10 yards away. Things can happen in a matter of SECONDS.
I have NEVER left my kids out of my sight while loading a car, or leaving them in the car alone for any reason ever, never ever not even 1 time. But that's just me.
Just because alot of people do it doesn't make it right. JMHO.
I'm still not exactly sure how I feel about this. I agree that you shouldn't leave DC unattended, but punishment that severe will only cause more damage.
Also, taking the "never letting my kids out of sight" issue to the extreme, there are kids who get hurt or worse in the home. Can parents never go to the bathroom without DC? Should DC be strapped to mom's chest until they are 18? Yes, this is an overexaggerated extreme, but it points out that there are grey areas in laws and life.
In a few seconds, DD is able to climb up on her highchair and start jumping up and down. Should I go to jail because I let her in the next room for a minute or two?
She's getting attacked because it was out in public. If she left DD alone in the house and played with her other DC in the yard and didn't have a monitor with her, nobody would say anything.
I see exactly what you're saying, and to an extent, I agree. But, the difference, in my mind, is exactly that - she left her child unattended in a motor vehicle, which is inherent with so many risk, in PUBLIC, where there are other, external factors that are at play here. At home, obviously your child can get hurt, but presumably, there aren't dozens of other people around who could inflict that harm. It's adding another level of safety issues when it takes place in a car, in public, for those reasons, and that's why I don't leave my child unattended in the car.
Again, though, that's not to say that I think this should be punishable by law - I don't, and in fact, I know that my husband HAS left Alex unattended in the car for a minute or two. It happens to be one of those areas where our opinions differ.
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Posted by sweetness
I think proscuiting her to the fullest extent the law allows might be a little out there, making an example out of her, but I'm sorry, I don't think you should leave your kids in the car for ANY amount of time unsuperivised no matter if you are 2 yards or 10 yards away. Things can happen in a matter of SECONDS.
I have NEVER left my kids out of my sight while loading a car, or leaving them in the car alone for any reason ever, never ever not even 1 time. But that's just me.
Just because alot of people do it doesn't make it right. JMHO.
I'm still not exactly sure how I feel about this. I agree that you shouldn't leave DC unattended, but punishment that severe will only cause more damage.
Also, taking the "never letting my kids out of sight" issue to the extreme, there are kids who get hurt or worse in the home. Can parents never go to the bathroom without DC? Should DC be strapped to mom's chest until they are 18? Yes, this is an overexaggerated extreme, but it points out that there are grey areas in laws and life.
In a few seconds, DD is able to climb up on her highchair and start jumping up and down. Should I go to jail because I let her in the next room for a minute or two?
She's getting attacked because it was out in public. If she left DD alone in the house and played with her other DC in the yard and didn't have a monitor with her, nobody would say anything.
That's a little extreme that points you are making and there's def a gray area. I sorta agree with you on some points.
I do think this woman is being made an example of in this case by being punished to the full extent of the law.
But i don't know about you, what if this was summertime and it was 90 degrees outside, would it be okay then to leave a sleeping toddler in the car when the temp could kill her? Even if it was for 2 mins? Even in the winter, if you walked by a vehicle and there was a child in it alone, how do you know where the mom was and how long she was gone? No you don't, you would say something wouldn't you? I know I would!
Inside your home is a totally different than in public, that's just the way it is. I have 2 girls under 2, do you think i don't pee all day til my husband gets home. Of course I do, i just make sure they're safe and taken care of before i let them out of my sight. ANd yes anything can happen in myhome in seconds and that would be my fault, but I would have to live with that, but I would make sure everytime they are out of my sight they are as safe as they would be if they were in it.
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Wow - this is so wrong. I feel so bad for this mom.
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Re: Mom Faces Trial for Leaving Child in Car
Posted by sweetness
That's a little extreme that points you are making and there's def a gray area. I sorta agree with you on some points.
I do think this woman is being made an example of in this case by being punished to the full extent of the law.
But i don't know about you, what if this was summertime and it was 90 degrees outside, would it be okay then to leave a sleeping toddler in the car when the temp could kill her? Even if it was for 2 mins? Even in the winter, if you walked by a vehicle and there was a child in it alone, how do you know where the mom was and how long she was gone? No you don't, you would say something wouldn't you? I know I would!
Inside your home is a totally different than in public, that's just the way it is. I have 2 girls under 2, do you think i don't pee all day til my husband gets home. Of course I do, i just make sure they're safe and taken care of before i let them out of my sight. ANd yes anything can happen in myhome in seconds and that would be my fault, but I would have to live with that, but I would make sure everytime they are out of my sight they are as safe as they would be if they were in it.
I agree that my example was extreme, and I don't even believe in some of what I mentioned, but I just wanted to point out that even if it is an extreme, it still technically falls into the "leaving DC out of sight" for a few minutes. That is exactly why laws need to be "interpreted" based on the circumstances. Yes, 90 degree weather is much different, and passer-bys *should* be concerned about seeing a baby in a car without an adult within a few feet of the car.
Laws aren't always black and white. I hope they take that into account when they prosecute her.
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