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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
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My school is too chicken s$&t to change the rule. Not a surprise. I see the majority of parents picking their kids with masks on…outside….or in their car…alone. So this comes as no surprise. Unless it written in stone, they won’t change nothing
A lawyer gave us this wording to use for districts who aren't following...
Template to use for everyone’s email:
Dear Superintendents and Honorable Members of the Board of Education: I am writing to bring to your attention that you will not be enforcing 2.60 which governs the wearing of masks within the schools of our district. According to the recent ruling from the Supreme Court of the State of New York , 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) "is a law that was promulgated and enacted unlawfully by an Executive branch state agency, and therefore void and unenforceable as a matter of law".
Any attempt to enforce a regulation that has been made "void" and determined to have been acted "unlawfully" will put you district in contempt of the Supreme Court of the State of New York. Although the State Education Department has informed all districts that "schools must continue to follow the mask rule," let this serve as a reminder that the State Education Department is an Executive branch state agency and therefore has no jurisdiction to further enforce 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) than the Department of Health does. Though an Appeals Court could stay the lower court's ruling and put the mandate back into effect while the case is litigated, no such stay is automatically granted but would have to be granted by a Judge.
Let this message serve as an Official Notice that if you persist in attempting to mask any child within our District, in violation of a Decision and Order of the Supreme Court of the State of New York, the County Sheriff will be contacted and an official report will be filed for every child affected by the unlawful masking of said individual. Furthermore, appropriate legal action will be taken against anyone who chooses to ignore their oath of office to the New York State Constitution as 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) was ordered and adjudged to be in violation of the New York State Constitution.
Respectfully,
I don’t understand this where does it say that the school can’t choose to make masks mandatory and the same
With businesses.
I really want to know. All I am getting out of the ruling is that the governor can’t make anyone do it but doesn’t mean that individual businesses and schools can’t choose to do it.
It seems the expiration was 1/25 and that is why she had no leg to stand on and the schools could choose by that date.
Which is all fine but my question in point is that a School And businesses can’t still CHOOSE to do it if they want too. And that is not against any law or unconstitutional that people keep thinking it’s.
That what I am looking for. Can Schools and businesses really not choose to make masked mandatory in the establishments??! Because as far as I can tell they still can do that and they’re not breaking any laws like people think they are.
But I could be wrong.
A business or private school can choose to make masks mandatory but a public school can not require masks without a mandate.
Where does it say that? I’m not being snarky. But I keep seeing terrible advice that people should be calling lawyers and the cops which is such a waste of cops resources.
Why would a public school not be allowed to do it? in other states public schools are most certainly still mandating mask even though there’s no state mandate?
I think it is a gray area legally but similar to what happened in Florida, I don't believe an individual school district can require something like this that is not mandated by the state or local government. A state can leave it up to the local government but a school board or superintendent can not unilaterally decide to put a mandate in place. Public school districts do not have autonomy to make decisions like this, the same way they can not enforce a school uniform.
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
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Posted by windyweather21
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Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
My school is too chicken s$&t to change the rule. Not a surprise. I see the majority of parents picking their kids with masks on…outside….or in their car…alone. So this comes as no surprise. Unless it written in stone, they won’t change nothing
A lawyer gave us this wording to use for districts who aren't following...
Template to use for everyone’s email:
Dear Superintendents and Honorable Members of the Board of Education: I am writing to bring to your attention that you will not be enforcing 2.60 which governs the wearing of masks within the schools of our district. According to the recent ruling from the Supreme Court of the State of New York , 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) "is a law that was promulgated and enacted unlawfully by an Executive branch state agency, and therefore void and unenforceable as a matter of law".
Any attempt to enforce a regulation that has been made "void" and determined to have been acted "unlawfully" will put you district in contempt of the Supreme Court of the State of New York. Although the State Education Department has informed all districts that "schools must continue to follow the mask rule," let this serve as a reminder that the State Education Department is an Executive branch state agency and therefore has no jurisdiction to further enforce 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) than the Department of Health does. Though an Appeals Court could stay the lower court's ruling and put the mandate back into effect while the case is litigated, no such stay is automatically granted but would have to be granted by a Judge.
Let this message serve as an Official Notice that if you persist in attempting to mask any child within our District, in violation of a Decision and Order of the Supreme Court of the State of New York, the County Sheriff will be contacted and an official report will be filed for every child affected by the unlawful masking of said individual. Furthermore, appropriate legal action will be taken against anyone who chooses to ignore their oath of office to the New York State Constitution as 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) was ordered and adjudged to be in violation of the New York State Constitution.
Respectfully,
I don’t understand this where does it say that the school can’t choose to make masks mandatory and the same
With businesses.
I really want to know. All I am getting out of the ruling is that the governor can’t make anyone do it but doesn’t mean that individual businesses and schools can’t choose to do it.
It seems the expiration was 1/25 and that is why she had no leg to stand on and the schools could choose by that date.
Which is all fine but my question in point is that a School And businesses can’t still CHOOSE to do it if they want too. And that is not against any law or unconstitutional that people keep thinking it’s.
That what I am looking for. Can Schools and businesses really not choose to make masked mandatory in the establishments??! Because as far as I can tell they still can do that and they’re not breaking any laws like people think they are.
But I could be wrong.
A business or private school can choose to make masks mandatory but a public school can not require masks without a mandate.
Where does it say that? I’m not being snarky. But I keep seeing terrible advice that people should be calling lawyers and the cops which is such a waste of cops resources.
Why would a public school not be allowed to do it? in other states public schools are most certainly still mandating mask even though there’s no state mandate?
We have no mask mandate but our school district absolutely can and does require masks be worn at all times in their buildings.
Are you sure that there isn't a mask mandate for schools in your state? A school mask mandate is different than a general mask mandate.
I hope your SIL is better by the way. Is she off the vent?
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
My school is too chicken s$&t to change the rule. Not a surprise. I see the majority of parents picking their kids with masks on…outside….or in their car…alone. So this comes as no surprise. Unless it written in stone, they won’t change nothing
A lawyer gave us this wording to use for districts who aren't following...
Template to use for everyone’s email:
Dear Superintendents and Honorable Members of the Board of Education: I am writing to bring to your attention that you will not be enforcing 2.60 which governs the wearing of masks within the schools of our district. According to the recent ruling from the Supreme Court of the State of New York , 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) "is a law that was promulgated and enacted unlawfully by an Executive branch state agency, and therefore void and unenforceable as a matter of law".
Any attempt to enforce a regulation that has been made "void" and determined to have been acted "unlawfully" will put you district in contempt of the Supreme Court of the State of New York. Although the State Education Department has informed all districts that "schools must continue to follow the mask rule," let this serve as a reminder that the State Education Department is an Executive branch state agency and therefore has no jurisdiction to further enforce 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) than the Department of Health does. Though an Appeals Court could stay the lower court's ruling and put the mandate back into effect while the case is litigated, no such stay is automatically granted but would have to be granted by a Judge.
Let this message serve as an Official Notice that if you persist in attempting to mask any child within our District, in violation of a Decision and Order of the Supreme Court of the State of New York, the County Sheriff will be contacted and an official report will be filed for every child affected by the unlawful masking of said individual. Furthermore, appropriate legal action will be taken against anyone who chooses to ignore their oath of office to the New York State Constitution as 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) was ordered and adjudged to be in violation of the New York State Constitution.
Respectfully,
I don’t understand this where does it say that the school can’t choose to make masks mandatory and the same
With businesses.
I really want to know. All I am getting out of the ruling is that the governor can’t make anyone do it but doesn’t mean that individual businesses and schools can’t choose to do it.
It seems the expiration was 1/25 and that is why she had no leg to stand on and the schools could choose by that date.
Which is all fine but my question in point is that a School And businesses can’t still CHOOSE to do it if they want too. And that is not against any law or unconstitutional that people keep thinking it’s.
That what I am looking for. Can Schools and businesses really not choose to make masked mandatory in the establishments??! Because as far as I can tell they still can do that and they’re not breaking any laws like people think they are.
But I could be wrong.
A business or private school can choose to make masks mandatory but a public school can not require masks without a mandate.
Where does it say that? I’m not being snarky. But I keep seeing terrible advice that people should be calling lawyers and the cops which is such a waste of cops resources.
Why would a public school not be allowed to do it? in other states public schools are most certainly still mandating mask even though there’s no state mandate?
I think it is a gray area legally but similar to what happened in Florida, I don't believe an individual school district can require something like this that is not mandated by the state or local government. A state can leave it up to the local government but a school board or superintendent can not unilaterally decide to put a mandate in place. Public school districts do not have autonomy to make decisions like this, the same way they can not enforce a school uniform.
There were several schools in Florida that enforced mask mandates and all the governor did was threatened withhold the the money from them for doing it not that they couldn’t do it.
Unless of course I am wrong again which I most certainly can be because I am no expert in any of this lol
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
What I don't understand is- what is so hard and scary about personal choice in this matter?
Why are people losing their minds over this court decision?
If these masks really work, you should be fine to have your masked child in school with unmasked students.
Mask your kid if you want, let others decide the same.
Back and forth, schools freaking out, parents freakig out, lawyers, courts, power trips, etc.
It's enough already!
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
My school is too chicken s$&t to change the rule. Not a surprise. I see the majority of parents picking their kids with masks on…outside….or in their car…alone. So this comes as no surprise. Unless it written in stone, they won’t change nothing
A lawyer gave us this wording to use for districts who aren't following...
Template to use for everyone’s email:
Dear Superintendents and Honorable Members of the Board of Education: I am writing to bring to your attention that you will not be enforcing 2.60 which governs the wearing of masks within the schools of our district. According to the recent ruling from the Supreme Court of the State of New York , 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) "is a law that was promulgated and enacted unlawfully by an Executive branch state agency, and therefore void and unenforceable as a matter of law".
Any attempt to enforce a regulation that has been made "void" and determined to have been acted "unlawfully" will put you district in contempt of the Supreme Court of the State of New York. Although the State Education Department has informed all districts that "schools must continue to follow the mask rule," let this serve as a reminder that the State Education Department is an Executive branch state agency and therefore has no jurisdiction to further enforce 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) than the Department of Health does. Though an Appeals Court could stay the lower court's ruling and put the mandate back into effect while the case is litigated, no such stay is automatically granted but would have to be granted by a Judge.
Let this message serve as an Official Notice that if you persist in attempting to mask any child within our District, in violation of a Decision and Order of the Supreme Court of the State of New York, the County Sheriff will be contacted and an official report will be filed for every child affected by the unlawful masking of said individual. Furthermore, appropriate legal action will be taken against anyone who chooses to ignore their oath of office to the New York State Constitution as 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) was ordered and adjudged to be in violation of the New York State Constitution.
Respectfully,
I don’t understand this where does it say that the school can’t choose to make masks mandatory and the same
With businesses.
I really want to know. All I am getting out of the ruling is that the governor can’t make anyone do it but doesn’t mean that individual businesses and schools can’t choose to do it.
It seems the expiration was 1/25 and that is why she had no leg to stand on and the schools could choose by that date.
Which is all fine but my question in point is that a School And businesses can’t still CHOOSE to do it if they want too. And that is not against any law or unconstitutional that people keep thinking it’s.
That what I am looking for. Can Schools and businesses really not choose to make masked mandatory in the establishments??! Because as far as I can tell they still can do that and they’re not breaking any laws like people think they are.
But I could be wrong.
A business or private school can choose to make masks mandatory but a public school can not require masks without a mandate.
Where does it say that? I’m not being snarky. But I keep seeing terrible advice that people should be calling lawyers and the cops which is such a waste of cops resources.
Why would a public school not be allowed to do it? in other states public schools are most certainly still mandating mask even though there’s no state mandate?
I think it is a gray area legally but similar to what happened in Florida, I don't believe an individual school district can require something like this that is not mandated by the state or local government. A state can leave it up to the local government but a school board or superintendent can not unilaterally decide to put a mandate in place. Public school districts do not have autonomy to make decisions like this, the same way they can not enforce a school uniform.
There were several schools in Florida that enforced mask mandates and all the governor did was threatened withhold the the money from them for doing it not that they couldn’t do it.
Unless of course I am wrong again which I most certainly can be because I am no expert in any of this lol
Yes and it was still being debated legally when the individual districts dropped the mandates. I don't believe that it has ever been legally justified for a district to enforce a mask mandate that was not supported by state or local laws. Also, those districts were not complying with the law so I don't really know how enforceable their mask mandates would have been had parents decided to not comply.
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by NervousNell
What I don't understand is- what is so hard and scary about personal choice in this matter?
Why are people losing their minds over this court decision?
If these masks really work, you should be fine to have your masked child in school with unmasked students.
Mask your kid if you want, let others decide the same.
Back and forth, schools freaking out, parents freakig out, lawyers, courts, power trips, etc.
It's enough already!
The problem is that from the start we have been told that wearing a mask protects others, not you. So the point is that if your child is wearing a mask it is only protecting those around them, not themselves. So if this is truly the case and we allow parents to choose they are choosing to put others at risk. I am not saying I agree or disagree, but that's the argument.
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| Posted 1/25/22 11:21 AM |
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NervousNell
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
What I don't understand is- what is so hard and scary about personal choice in this matter?
Why are people losing their minds over this court decision?
If these masks really work, you should be fine to have your masked child in school with unmasked students.
Mask your kid if you want, let others decide the same.
Back and forth, schools freaking out, parents freakig out, lawyers, courts, power trips, etc.
It's enough already!
The problem is that from the start we have been told that wearing a mask protects others, not you. So the point is that if your child is wearing a mask it is only protecting those around them, not themselves. So if this is truly the case and we allow parents to choose they are choosing to put others at risk. I am not saying I agree or disagree, but that's the argument.
Yes in the beginning we were told that.
But then we unmasked in the spring and you still saw others with their masks on- so they were protecting themselves right? I doubt Suzy in the grocery store with the n95 on in June was worried about protecting the others in that store.
Nothing makes sense anymore.
Then I also keep hearing these cloth masks everyone runs around in don't' even work anyway
So what are we really doing here?
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
What I don't understand is- what is so hard and scary about personal choice in this matter?
Why are people losing their minds over this court decision?
If these masks really work, you should be fine to have your masked child in school with unmasked students.
Mask your kid if you want, let others decide the same.
Back and forth, schools freaking out, parents freakig out, lawyers, courts, power trips, etc.
It's enough already!
The problem is that from the start we have been told that wearing a mask protects others, not you. So the point is that if your child is wearing a mask it is only protecting those around them, not themselves. So if this is truly the case and we allow parents to choose they are choosing to put others at risk. I am not saying I agree or disagree, but that's the argument.
Yes in the beginning we were told that.
But then we unmasked in the spring and you still saw others with their masks on- so they were protecting themselves right? I doubt Suzy in the grocery store with the n95 on in June was worried about protecting the others in that store.
Nothing makes sense anymore.
Then I also keep hearing these cloth masks everyone runs around in don't' even work anyway
So what are we really doing here?
It all makes no sense and they don't even know what they are saying anymore. They look ridiculous. It is time to let everyone make their own decisions. This virus is never going away. Stay home if you are sick. No need for quarantines. No need to hear about every Tom, **** and Harry having covid. If you want to tell people you were around to alert them, then ok. Let THEM make the decision to quarantine as much as they can. Stop mandating a vaccine that clearly is not working up to the ability they claimed it would. It actually looks like it is lowering people's immune systems. Stop freaking out over numbers of sick people when we ALL know that people get sick during the holidays when the weather changes, people are stressed, their immune system is lowered because of many different things.
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
My school is too chicken s$&t to change the rule. Not a surprise. I see the majority of parents picking their kids with masks on…outside….or in their car…alone. So this comes as no surprise. Unless it written in stone, they won’t change nothing
A lawyer gave us this wording to use for districts who aren't following...
Template to use for everyone’s email:
Dear Superintendents and Honorable Members of the Board of Education: I am writing to bring to your attention that you will not be enforcing 2.60 which governs the wearing of masks within the schools of our district. According to the recent ruling from the Supreme Court of the State of New York , 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) "is a law that was promulgated and enacted unlawfully by an Executive branch state agency, and therefore void and unenforceable as a matter of law".
Any attempt to enforce a regulation that has been made "void" and determined to have been acted "unlawfully" will put you district in contempt of the Supreme Court of the State of New York. Although the State Education Department has informed all districts that "schools must continue to follow the mask rule," let this serve as a reminder that the State Education Department is an Executive branch state agency and therefore has no jurisdiction to further enforce 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) than the Department of Health does. Though an Appeals Court could stay the lower court's ruling and put the mandate back into effect while the case is litigated, no such stay is automatically granted but would have to be granted by a Judge.
Let this message serve as an Official Notice that if you persist in attempting to mask any child within our District, in violation of a Decision and Order of the Supreme Court of the State of New York, the County Sheriff will be contacted and an official report will be filed for every child affected by the unlawful masking of said individual. Furthermore, appropriate legal action will be taken against anyone who chooses to ignore their oath of office to the New York State Constitution as 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) was ordered and adjudged to be in violation of the New York State Constitution.
Respectfully,
I don’t understand this where does it say that the school can’t choose to make masks mandatory and the same
With businesses.
I really want to know. All I am getting out of the ruling is that the governor can’t make anyone do it but doesn’t mean that individual businesses and schools can’t choose to do it.
It seems the expiration was 1/25 and that is why she had no leg to stand on and the schools could choose by that date.
Which is all fine but my question in point is that a School And businesses can’t still CHOOSE to do it if they want too. And that is not against any law or unconstitutional that people keep thinking it’s.
That what I am looking for. Can Schools and businesses really not choose to make masked mandatory in the establishments??! Because as far as I can tell they still can do that and they’re not breaking any laws like people think they are.
But I could be wrong.
A business or private school can choose to make masks mandatory but a public school can not require masks without a mandate.
Where does it say that? I’m not being snarky. But I keep seeing terrible advice that people should be calling lawyers and the cops which is such a waste of cops resources.
Why would a public school not be allowed to do it? in other states public schools are most certainly still mandating mask even though there’s no state mandate?
I think it is a gray area legally but similar to what happened in Florida, I don't believe an individual school district can require something like this that is not mandated by the state or local government. A state can leave it up to the local government but a school board or superintendent can not unilaterally decide to put a mandate in place. Public school districts do not have autonomy to make decisions like this, the same way they can not enforce a school uniform.
There were several schools in Florida that enforced mask mandates and all the governor did was threatened withhold the the money from them for doing it not that they couldn’t do it.
Unless of course I am wrong again which I most certainly can be because I am no expert in any of this lol
Yes and it was still being debated legally when the individual districts dropped the mandates. I don't believe that it has ever been legally justified for a district to enforce a mask mandate that was not supported by state or local laws. Also, those districts were not complying with the law so I don't really know how enforceable their mask mandates would have been had parents decided to not comply.
They wouldn’t able to enforce it because it’s not law. Some of those schools (in Florida) tried and they were unsuccessful. They decided to have parents who refuse to mask their children to sign a paper stating the refusal which it really was more of a scare tactic than anything else. Those letters meant $hit.
Here in NY the decision of the judge includes schools and public places and it’s effective immediately. The Dept of Health filing an appeal does not reinstate the mandate. They have to file a motion or Order to Show Cause seeking a stay of the injunction, which is separate from the appeal, and only if that is granted then the mandate would be in effect again, at least temporarily until the appeal was heard. Then it would depend on how the appeal was decided. So those districts that are still trying to keep the mask mandate in place are playing politics and are BSing or they’re just too stupid to understand a SC judge’s ruling.
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
My school is too chicken s$&t to change the rule. Not a surprise. I see the majority of parents picking their kids with masks on…outside….or in their car…alone. So this comes as no surprise. Unless it written in stone, they won’t change nothing
A lawyer gave us this wording to use for districts who aren't following...
Template to use for everyone’s email:
Dear Superintendents and Honorable Members of the Board of Education: I am writing to bring to your attention that you will not be enforcing 2.60 which governs the wearing of masks within the schools of our district. According to the recent ruling from the Supreme Court of the State of New York , 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) "is a law that was promulgated and enacted unlawfully by an Executive branch state agency, and therefore void and unenforceable as a matter of law".
Any attempt to enforce a regulation that has been made "void" and determined to have been acted "unlawfully" will put you district in contempt of the Supreme Court of the State of New York. Although the State Education Department has informed all districts that "schools must continue to follow the mask rule," let this serve as a reminder that the State Education Department is an Executive branch state agency and therefore has no jurisdiction to further enforce 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) than the Department of Health does. Though an Appeals Court could stay the lower court's ruling and put the mandate back into effect while the case is litigated, no such stay is automatically granted but would have to be granted by a Judge.
Let this message serve as an Official Notice that if you persist in attempting to mask any child within our District, in violation of a Decision and Order of the Supreme Court of the State of New York, the County Sheriff will be contacted and an official report will be filed for every child affected by the unlawful masking of said individual. Furthermore, appropriate legal action will be taken against anyone who chooses to ignore their oath of office to the New York State Constitution as 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) was ordered and adjudged to be in violation of the New York State Constitution.
Respectfully,
I don’t understand this where does it say that the school can’t choose to make masks mandatory and the same
With businesses.
I really want to know. All I am getting out of the ruling is that the governor can’t make anyone do it but doesn’t mean that individual businesses and schools can’t choose to do it.
It seems the expiration was 1/25 and that is why she had no leg to stand on and the schools could choose by that date.
Which is all fine but my question in point is that a School And businesses can’t still CHOOSE to do it if they want too. And that is not against any law or unconstitutional that people keep thinking it’s.
That what I am looking for. Can Schools and businesses really not choose to make masked mandatory in the establishments??! Because as far as I can tell they still can do that and they’re not breaking any laws like people think they are.
But I could be wrong.
A business or private school can choose to make masks mandatory but a public school can not require masks without a mandate.
Where does it say that? I’m not being snarky. But I keep seeing terrible advice that people should be calling lawyers and the cops which is such a waste of cops resources.
Why would a public school not be allowed to do it? in other states public schools are most certainly still mandating mask even though there’s no state mandate?
I think it is a gray area legally but similar to what happened in Florida, I don't believe an individual school district can require something like this that is not mandated by the state or local government. A state can leave it up to the local government but a school board or superintendent can not unilaterally decide to put a mandate in place. Public school districts do not have autonomy to make decisions like this, the same way they can not enforce a school uniform.
There were several schools in Florida that enforced mask mandates and all the governor did was threatened withhold the the money from them for doing it not that they couldn’t do it.
Unless of course I am wrong again which I most certainly can be because I am no expert in any of this lol
Yes and it was still being debated legally when the individual districts dropped the mandates. I don't believe that it has ever been legally justified for a district to enforce a mask mandate that was not supported by state or local laws. Also, those districts were not complying with the law so I don't really know how enforceable their mask mandates would have been had parents decided to not comply.
They wouldn’t able to enforce it because it’s not law. Some of these schools tried and they were unsuccessfully the. They decided to have parents who refuse to mask their children to sign a paper staining the refusal which it really was more of a scare tactic than anything else. Those letters meant $hit.
Here in NY the decision of the judge includes schools and public places and its effective immediately. The Dept of Health filing an appeal does not reinstate the mandate. They have to file a motion or Order to Show Cause seeking a stay of the injunction, which is separate from the appeal, and only if that is granted then the mandate would be in effect again, at least temporarily until the appeal was heard. Then it would depend on how the appeal was decided. So those districts that are still trying to keep the mask mandate in place are playing politics.
So it’s 100% fact that no school or business is allow to impose their own rules? Meaning if they choose that they want people to wear masks they cant have that?
If that’s true then why are they allowed to force rules such as dress codes? Or in fact any rule for that matter if it’s not an actual law?
I have seen comments where a judge said all the ruling meant was that the governor can’t make it a mandate unless it goes to the legislation but schools can still choose to require masks if they want .
Is NYC exempt from this. Haven’t heard from anyone who goes to NYC that they made it optional.
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lululu
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by blu6385
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
My school is too chicken s$&t to change the rule. Not a surprise. I see the majority of parents picking their kids with masks on…outside….or in their car…alone. So this comes as no surprise. Unless it written in stone, they won’t change nothing
A lawyer gave us this wording to use for districts who aren't following...
Template to use for everyone’s email:
Dear Superintendents and Honorable Members of the Board of Education: I am writing to bring to your attention that you will not be enforcing 2.60 which governs the wearing of masks within the schools of our district. According to the recent ruling from the Supreme Court of the State of New York , 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) "is a law that was promulgated and enacted unlawfully by an Executive branch state agency, and therefore void and unenforceable as a matter of law".
Any attempt to enforce a regulation that has been made "void" and determined to have been acted "unlawfully" will put you district in contempt of the Supreme Court of the State of New York. Although the State Education Department has informed all districts that "schools must continue to follow the mask rule," let this serve as a reminder that the State Education Department is an Executive branch state agency and therefore has no jurisdiction to further enforce 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) than the Department of Health does. Though an Appeals Court could stay the lower court's ruling and put the mandate back into effect while the case is litigated, no such stay is automatically granted but would have to be granted by a Judge.
Let this message serve as an Official Notice that if you persist in attempting to mask any child within our District, in violation of a Decision and Order of the Supreme Court of the State of New York, the County Sheriff will be contacted and an official report will be filed for every child affected by the unlawful masking of said individual. Furthermore, appropriate legal action will be taken against anyone who chooses to ignore their oath of office to the New York State Constitution as 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) was ordered and adjudged to be in violation of the New York State Constitution.
Respectfully,
I don’t understand this where does it say that the school can’t choose to make masks mandatory and the same
With businesses.
I really want to know. All I am getting out of the ruling is that the governor can’t make anyone do it but doesn’t mean that individual businesses and schools can’t choose to do it.
It seems the expiration was 1/25 and that is why she had no leg to stand on and the schools could choose by that date.
Which is all fine but my question in point is that a School And businesses can’t still CHOOSE to do it if they want too. And that is not against any law or unconstitutional that people keep thinking it’s.
That what I am looking for. Can Schools and businesses really not choose to make masked mandatory in the establishments??! Because as far as I can tell they still can do that and they’re not breaking any laws like people think they are.
But I could be wrong.
A business or private school can choose to make masks mandatory but a public school can not require masks without a mandate.
Where does it say that? I’m not being snarky. But I keep seeing terrible advice that people should be calling lawyers and the cops which is such a waste of cops resources.
Why would a public school not be allowed to do it? in other states public schools are most certainly still mandating mask even though there’s no state mandate?
I think it is a gray area legally but similar to what happened in Florida, I don't believe an individual school district can require something like this that is not mandated by the state or local government. A state can leave it up to the local government but a school board or superintendent can not unilaterally decide to put a mandate in place. Public school districts do not have autonomy to make decisions like this, the same way they can not enforce a school uniform.
There were several schools in Florida that enforced mask mandates and all the governor did was threatened withhold the the money from them for doing it not that they couldn’t do it.
Unless of course I am wrong again which I most certainly can be because I am no expert in any of this lol
Yes and it was still being debated legally when the individual districts dropped the mandates. I don't believe that it has ever been legally justified for a district to enforce a mask mandate that was not supported by state or local laws. Also, those districts were not complying with the law so I don't really know how enforceable their mask mandates would have been had parents decided to not comply.
They wouldn’t able to enforce it because it’s not law. Some of these schools tried and they were unsuccessfully the. They decided to have parents who refuse to mask their children to sign a paper staining the refusal which it really was more of a scare tactic than anything else. Those letters meant $hit.
Here in NY the decision of the judge includes schools and public places and its effective immediately. The Dept of Health filing an appeal does not reinstate the mandate. They have to file a motion or Order to Show Cause seeking a stay of the injunction, which is separate from the appeal, and only if that is granted then the mandate would be in effect again, at least temporarily until the appeal was heard. Then it would depend on how the appeal was decided. So those districts that are still trying to keep the mask mandate in place are playing politics.
So it’s 100% fact that no school or business is allow to impose their own rules? Meaning if they choose that they want people to wear masks they cant have that?
If that’s true then why are they allowed to force rules such as dress codes? Or in fact any rule for that matter if it’s not an actual law?
I have seen comments where a judge said all the ruling meant was that the governor can’t make it a mandate unless it goes to the legislation but schools can still choose to require masks if they want .
Is NYC exempt from this. Haven’t heard from anyone who goes to NYC that they made it optional.
Schools and businesses are two ENTIRELY separate things. I am not sure why you keep lumping the two. A business is privately owned whereas a school is a public place. there is a HUGE difference.
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| Posted 1/25/22 11:57 AM |
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blu6385
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
My school is too chicken s$&t to change the rule. Not a surprise. I see the majority of parents picking their kids with masks on…outside….or in their car…alone. So this comes as no surprise. Unless it written in stone, they won’t change nothing
A lawyer gave us this wording to use for districts who aren't following...
Template to use for everyone’s email:
Dear Superintendents and Honorable Members of the Board of Education: I am writing to bring to your attention that you will not be enforcing 2.60 which governs the wearing of masks within the schools of our district. According to the recent ruling from the Supreme Court of the State of New York , 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) "is a law that was promulgated and enacted unlawfully by an Executive branch state agency, and therefore void and unenforceable as a matter of law".
Any attempt to enforce a regulation that has been made "void" and determined to have been acted "unlawfully" will put you district in contempt of the Supreme Court of the State of New York. Although the State Education Department has informed all districts that "schools must continue to follow the mask rule," let this serve as a reminder that the State Education Department is an Executive branch state agency and therefore has no jurisdiction to further enforce 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) than the Department of Health does. Though an Appeals Court could stay the lower court's ruling and put the mandate back into effect while the case is litigated, no such stay is automatically granted but would have to be granted by a Judge.
Let this message serve as an Official Notice that if you persist in attempting to mask any child within our District, in violation of a Decision and Order of the Supreme Court of the State of New York, the County Sheriff will be contacted and an official report will be filed for every child affected by the unlawful masking of said individual. Furthermore, appropriate legal action will be taken against anyone who chooses to ignore their oath of office to the New York State Constitution as 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) was ordered and adjudged to be in violation of the New York State Constitution.
Respectfully,
I don’t understand this where does it say that the school can’t choose to make masks mandatory and the same
With businesses.
I really want to know. All I am getting out of the ruling is that the governor can’t make anyone do it but doesn’t mean that individual businesses and schools can’t choose to do it.
It seems the expiration was 1/25 and that is why she had no leg to stand on and the schools could choose by that date.
Which is all fine but my question in point is that a School And businesses can’t still CHOOSE to do it if they want too. And that is not against any law or unconstitutional that people keep thinking it’s.
That what I am looking for. Can Schools and businesses really not choose to make masked mandatory in the establishments??! Because as far as I can tell they still can do that and they’re not breaking any laws like people think they are.
But I could be wrong.
A business or private school can choose to make masks mandatory but a public school can not require masks without a mandate.
Where does it say that? I’m not being snarky. But I keep seeing terrible advice that people should be calling lawyers and the cops which is such a waste of cops resources.
Why would a public school not be allowed to do it? in other states public schools are most certainly still mandating mask even though there’s no state mandate?
I think it is a gray area legally but similar to what happened in Florida, I don't believe an individual school district can require something like this that is not mandated by the state or local government. A state can leave it up to the local government but a school board or superintendent can not unilaterally decide to put a mandate in place. Public school districts do not have autonomy to make decisions like this, the same way they can not enforce a school uniform.
There were several schools in Florida that enforced mask mandates and all the governor did was threatened withhold the the money from them for doing it not that they couldn’t do it.
Unless of course I am wrong again which I most certainly can be because I am no expert in any of this lol
Yes and it was still being debated legally when the individual districts dropped the mandates. I don't believe that it has ever been legally justified for a district to enforce a mask mandate that was not supported by state or local laws. Also, those districts were not complying with the law so I don't really know how enforceable their mask mandates would have been had parents decided to not comply.
They wouldn’t able to enforce it because it’s not law. Some of these schools tried and they were unsuccessfully the. They decided to have parents who refuse to mask their children to sign a paper staining the refusal which it really was more of a scare tactic than anything else. Those letters meant $hit.
Here in NY the decision of the judge includes schools and public places and its effective immediately. The Dept of Health filing an appeal does not reinstate the mandate. They have to file a motion or Order to Show Cause seeking a stay of the injunction, which is separate from the appeal, and only if that is granted then the mandate would be in effect again, at least temporarily until the appeal was heard. Then it would depend on how the appeal was decided. So those districts that are still trying to keep the mask mandate in place are playing politics.
So it’s 100% fact that no school or business is allow to impose their own rules? Meaning if they choose that they want people to wear masks they cant have that?
If that’s true then why are they allowed to force rules such as dress codes? Or in fact any rule for that matter if it’s not an actual law?
I have seen comments where a judge said all the ruling meant was that the governor can’t make it a mandate unless it goes to the legislation but schools can still choose to require masks if they want .
Is NYC exempt from this. Haven’t heard from anyone who goes to NYC that they made it optional.
Schools and businesses are two ENTIRELY separate things. I am not sure why you keep lumping the two. A business is privately owned whereas a school is a public place. there is a HUGE difference.
Fine so take our businesses.
Schools make rules all the time that are not law why wouldn’t they be able to make this a rule if they felt like it.
From what it sounds like no one actually knows the correct laws/rules etc.
All i want our actual facts which is alway so hard to get!
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lululu
LIF Adult
Member since 7/05 9511 total posts
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
My school is too chicken s$&t to change the rule. Not a surprise. I see the majority of parents picking their kids with masks on…outside….or in their car…alone. So this comes as no surprise. Unless it written in stone, they won’t change nothing
A lawyer gave us this wording to use for districts who aren't following...
Template to use for everyone’s email:
Dear Superintendents and Honorable Members of the Board of Education: I am writing to bring to your attention that you will not be enforcing 2.60 which governs the wearing of masks within the schools of our district. According to the recent ruling from the Supreme Court of the State of New York , 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) "is a law that was promulgated and enacted unlawfully by an Executive branch state agency, and therefore void and unenforceable as a matter of law".
Any attempt to enforce a regulation that has been made "void" and determined to have been acted "unlawfully" will put you district in contempt of the Supreme Court of the State of New York. Although the State Education Department has informed all districts that "schools must continue to follow the mask rule," let this serve as a reminder that the State Education Department is an Executive branch state agency and therefore has no jurisdiction to further enforce 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) than the Department of Health does. Though an Appeals Court could stay the lower court's ruling and put the mandate back into effect while the case is litigated, no such stay is automatically granted but would have to be granted by a Judge.
Let this message serve as an Official Notice that if you persist in attempting to mask any child within our District, in violation of a Decision and Order of the Supreme Court of the State of New York, the County Sheriff will be contacted and an official report will be filed for every child affected by the unlawful masking of said individual. Furthermore, appropriate legal action will be taken against anyone who chooses to ignore their oath of office to the New York State Constitution as 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) was ordered and adjudged to be in violation of the New York State Constitution.
Respectfully,
I don’t understand this where does it say that the school can’t choose to make masks mandatory and the same
With businesses.
I really want to know. All I am getting out of the ruling is that the governor can’t make anyone do it but doesn’t mean that individual businesses and schools can’t choose to do it.
It seems the expiration was 1/25 and that is why she had no leg to stand on and the schools could choose by that date.
Which is all fine but my question in point is that a School And businesses can’t still CHOOSE to do it if they want too. And that is not against any law or unconstitutional that people keep thinking it’s.
That what I am looking for. Can Schools and businesses really not choose to make masked mandatory in the establishments??! Because as far as I can tell they still can do that and they’re not breaking any laws like people think they are.
But I could be wrong.
A business or private school can choose to make masks mandatory but a public school can not require masks without a mandate.
Where does it say that? I’m not being snarky. But I keep seeing terrible advice that people should be calling lawyers and the cops which is such a waste of cops resources.
Why would a public school not be allowed to do it? in other states public schools are most certainly still mandating mask even though there’s no state mandate?
I think it is a gray area legally but similar to what happened in Florida, I don't believe an individual school district can require something like this that is not mandated by the state or local government. A state can leave it up to the local government but a school board or superintendent can not unilaterally decide to put a mandate in place. Public school districts do not have autonomy to make decisions like this, the same way they can not enforce a school uniform.
There were several schools in Florida that enforced mask mandates and all the governor did was threatened withhold the the money from them for doing it not that they couldn’t do it.
Unless of course I am wrong again which I most certainly can be because I am no expert in any of this lol
Yes and it was still being debated legally when the individual districts dropped the mandates. I don't believe that it has ever been legally justified for a district to enforce a mask mandate that was not supported by state or local laws. Also, those districts were not complying with the law so I don't really know how enforceable their mask mandates would have been had parents decided to not comply.
They wouldn’t able to enforce it because it’s not law. Some of these schools tried and they were unsuccessfully the. They decided to have parents who refuse to mask their children to sign a paper staining the refusal which it really was more of a scare tactic than anything else. Those letters meant $hit.
Here in NY the decision of the judge includes schools and public places and its effective immediately. The Dept of Health filing an appeal does not reinstate the mandate. They have to file a motion or Order to Show Cause seeking a stay of the injunction, which is separate from the appeal, and only if that is granted then the mandate would be in effect again, at least temporarily until the appeal was heard. Then it would depend on how the appeal was decided. So those districts that are still trying to keep the mask mandate in place are playing politics.
So it’s 100% fact that no school or business is allow to impose their own rules? Meaning if they choose that they want people to wear masks they cant have that?
If that’s true then why are they allowed to force rules such as dress codes? Or in fact any rule for that matter if it’s not an actual law?
I have seen comments where a judge said all the ruling meant was that the governor can’t make it a mandate unless it goes to the legislation but schools can still choose to require masks if they want .
Is NYC exempt from this. Haven’t heard from anyone who goes to NYC that they made it optional.
Schools and businesses are two ENTIRELY separate things. I am not sure why you keep lumping the two. A business is privately owned whereas a school is a public place. there is a HUGE difference.
Fine so take our businesses.
Schools make rules all the time that are not law why wouldn’t they be able to make this a rule if they felt like it.
From what it sounds like no one actually knows the correct laws/rules etc.
All i want our actual facts which is alway so hard to get!
Like I said it is a gray area so you aren't going to get one specific answer, however in general a school can not require you to WEAR anything without allowing parents to opt out, as in a school uniform. Since a mask would fall under those rules I am assuming a school mask mandate would be unenforceable.
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soontobemommyof2
My boys...my everything <3
Member since 4/15 3635 total posts
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
My school is too chicken s$&t to change the rule. Not a surprise. I see the majority of parents picking their kids with masks on…outside….or in their car…alone. So this comes as no surprise. Unless it written in stone, they won’t change nothing
A lawyer gave us this wording to use for districts who aren't following...
Template to use for everyone’s email:
Dear Superintendents and Honorable Members of the Board of Education: I am writing to bring to your attention that you will not be enforcing 2.60 which governs the wearing of masks within the schools of our district. According to the recent ruling from the Supreme Court of the State of New York , 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) "is a law that was promulgated and enacted unlawfully by an Executive branch state agency, and therefore void and unenforceable as a matter of law".
Any attempt to enforce a regulation that has been made "void" and determined to have been acted "unlawfully" will put you district in contempt of the Supreme Court of the State of New York. Although the State Education Department has informed all districts that "schools must continue to follow the mask rule," let this serve as a reminder that the State Education Department is an Executive branch state agency and therefore has no jurisdiction to further enforce 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) than the Department of Health does. Though an Appeals Court could stay the lower court's ruling and put the mandate back into effect while the case is litigated, no such stay is automatically granted but would have to be granted by a Judge.
Let this message serve as an Official Notice that if you persist in attempting to mask any child within our District, in violation of a Decision and Order of the Supreme Court of the State of New York, the County Sheriff will be contacted and an official report will be filed for every child affected by the unlawful masking of said individual. Furthermore, appropriate legal action will be taken against anyone who chooses to ignore their oath of office to the New York State Constitution as 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) was ordered and adjudged to be in violation of the New York State Constitution.
Respectfully,
I don’t understand this where does it say that the school can’t choose to make masks mandatory and the same
With businesses.
I really want to know. All I am getting out of the ruling is that the governor can’t make anyone do it but doesn’t mean that individual businesses and schools can’t choose to do it.
It seems the expiration was 1/25 and that is why she had no leg to stand on and the schools could choose by that date.
Which is all fine but my question in point is that a School And businesses can’t still CHOOSE to do it if they want too. And that is not against any law or unconstitutional that people keep thinking it’s.
That what I am looking for. Can Schools and businesses really not choose to make masked mandatory in the establishments??! Because as far as I can tell they still can do that and they’re not breaking any laws like people think they are.
But I could be wrong.
A business or private school can choose to make masks mandatory but a public school can not require masks without a mandate.
Where does it say that? I’m not being snarky. But I keep seeing terrible advice that people should be calling lawyers and the cops which is such a waste of cops resources.
Why would a public school not be allowed to do it? in other states public schools are most certainly still mandating mask even though there’s no state mandate?
I think it is a gray area legally but similar to what happened in Florida, I don't believe an individual school district can require something like this that is not mandated by the state or local government. A state can leave it up to the local government but a school board or superintendent can not unilaterally decide to put a mandate in place. Public school districts do not have autonomy to make decisions like this, the same way they can not enforce a school uniform.
There were several schools in Florida that enforced mask mandates and all the governor did was threatened withhold the the money from them for doing it not that they couldn’t do it.
Unless of course I am wrong again which I most certainly can be because I am no expert in any of this lol
Yes and it was still being debated legally when the individual districts dropped the mandates. I don't believe that it has ever been legally justified for a district to enforce a mask mandate that was not supported by state or local laws. Also, those districts were not complying with the law so I don't really know how enforceable their mask mandates would have been had parents decided to not comply.
They wouldn’t able to enforce it because it’s not law. Some of these schools tried and they were unsuccessfully the. They decided to have parents who refuse to mask their children to sign a paper staining the refusal which it really was more of a scare tactic than anything else. Those letters meant $hit.
Here in NY the decision of the judge includes schools and public places and its effective immediately. The Dept of Health filing an appeal does not reinstate the mandate. They have to file a motion or Order to Show Cause seeking a stay of the injunction, which is separate from the appeal, and only if that is granted then the mandate would be in effect again, at least temporarily until the appeal was heard. Then it would depend on how the appeal was decided. So those districts that are still trying to keep the mask mandate in place are playing politics.
So it’s 100% fact that no school or business is allow to impose their own rules? Meaning if they choose that they want people to wear masks they cant have that?
If that’s true then why are they allowed to force rules such as dress codes? Or in fact any rule for that matter if it’s not an actual law?
I have seen comments where a judge said all the ruling meant was that the governor can’t make it a mandate unless it goes to the legislation but schools can still choose to require masks if they want .
Is NYC exempt from this. Haven’t heard from anyone who goes to NYC that they made it optional.
Schools and businesses are two ENTIRELY separate things. I am not sure why you keep lumping the two. A business is privately owned whereas a school is a public place. there is a HUGE difference.
This.
Although I believe with time private businesses will face difficulties and challenges if they decide to continue enforcing mask for entry since this could fall under discrimination laws. Reason why many businesses are not even bothering enforcing masks on their customers.
For NYC schools, it seems that the first deputy chancellor has communicated to all principals that even though the mask mandate is still in place, they’re still reviewing the ruling decision therefore a school should not take disciplinary action towards a student that won’t comply.
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NervousNell
Just another chapter in life..
Member since 11/09 54921 total posts
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Saw this picture and it speaks a thousand words.
The CHILDREN are muzzled
The adults, including our dictator Governor who is fighting tooth and nail to undo the Supreme Court ruling as we speak is not.
Nice, right?
Our kids have to protect the adults.
What a time to be alive!
Message edited 1/25/2022 12:44:38 PM.
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by blu6385
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by lululu
Posted by blu6385
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsWoods
My school is too chicken s$&t to change the rule. Not a surprise. I see the majority of parents picking their kids with masks on…outside….or in their car…alone. So this comes as no surprise. Unless it written in stone, they won’t change nothing
A lawyer gave us this wording to use for districts who aren't following...
Template to use for everyone’s email:
Dear Superintendents and Honorable Members of the Board of Education: I am writing to bring to your attention that you will not be enforcing 2.60 which governs the wearing of masks within the schools of our district. According to the recent ruling from the Supreme Court of the State of New York , 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) "is a law that was promulgated and enacted unlawfully by an Executive branch state agency, and therefore void and unenforceable as a matter of law".
Any attempt to enforce a regulation that has been made "void" and determined to have been acted "unlawfully" will put you district in contempt of the Supreme Court of the State of New York. Although the State Education Department has informed all districts that "schools must continue to follow the mask rule," let this serve as a reminder that the State Education Department is an Executive branch state agency and therefore has no jurisdiction to further enforce 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) than the Department of Health does. Though an Appeals Court could stay the lower court's ruling and put the mandate back into effect while the case is litigated, no such stay is automatically granted but would have to be granted by a Judge.
Let this message serve as an Official Notice that if you persist in attempting to mask any child within our District, in violation of a Decision and Order of the Supreme Court of the State of New York, the County Sheriff will be contacted and an official report will be filed for every child affected by the unlawful masking of said individual. Furthermore, appropriate legal action will be taken against anyone who chooses to ignore their oath of office to the New York State Constitution as 10 NYCRR 2.60; 2.60(a) was ordered and adjudged to be in violation of the New York State Constitution.
Respectfully,
I don’t understand this where does it say that the school can’t choose to make masks mandatory and the same
With businesses.
I really want to know. All I am getting out of the ruling is that the governor can’t make anyone do it but doesn’t mean that individual businesses and schools can’t choose to do it.
It seems the expiration was 1/25 and that is why she had no leg to stand on and the schools could choose by that date.
Which is all fine but my question in point is that a School And businesses can’t still CHOOSE to do it if they want too. And that is not against any law or unconstitutional that people keep thinking it’s.
That what I am looking for. Can Schools and businesses really not choose to make masked mandatory in the establishments??! Because as far as I can tell they still can do that and they’re not breaking any laws like people think they are.
But I could be wrong.
A business or private school can choose to make masks mandatory but a public school can not require masks without a mandate.
Where does it say that? I’m not being snarky. But I keep seeing terrible advice that people should be calling lawyers and the cops which is such a waste of cops resources.
Why would a public school not be allowed to do it? in other states public schools are most certainly still mandating mask even though there’s no state mandate?
I think it is a gray area legally but similar to what happened in Florida, I don't believe an individual school district can require something like this that is not mandated by the state or local government. A state can leave it up to the local government but a school board or superintendent can not unilaterally decide to put a mandate in place. Public school districts do not have autonomy to make decisions like this, the same way they can not enforce a school uniform.
There were several schools in Florida that enforced mask mandates and all the governor did was threatened withhold the the money from them for doing it not that they couldn’t do it.
Unless of course I am wrong again which I most certainly can be because I am no expert in any of this lol
Yes and it was still being debated legally when the individual districts dropped the mandates. I don't believe that it has ever been legally justified for a district to enforce a mask mandate that was not supported by state or local laws. Also, those districts were not complying with the law so I don't really know how enforceable their mask mandates would have been had parents decided to not comply.
They wouldn’t able to enforce it because it’s not law. Some of these schools tried and they were unsuccessfully the. They decided to have parents who refuse to mask their children to sign a paper staining the refusal which it really was more of a scare tactic than anything else. Those letters meant $hit.
Here in NY the decision of the judge includes schools and public places and its effective immediately. The Dept of Health filing an appeal does not reinstate the mandate. They have to file a motion or Order to Show Cause seeking a stay of the injunction, which is separate from the appeal, and only if that is granted then the mandate would be in effect again, at least temporarily until the appeal was heard. Then it would depend on how the appeal was decided. So those districts that are still trying to keep the mask mandate in place are playing politics.
So it’s 100% fact that no school or business is allow to impose their own rules? Meaning if they choose that they want people to wear masks they cant have that?
If that’s true then why are they allowed to force rules such as dress codes? Or in fact any rule for that matter if it’s not an actual law?
I have seen comments where a judge said all the ruling meant was that the governor can’t make it a mandate unless it goes to the legislation but schools can still choose to require masks if they want .
Is NYC exempt from this. Haven’t heard from anyone who goes to NYC that they made it optional.
No, SUNY and CUNY schools are still requiring masks no matter vaccine status.
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
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Saw this picture and it speaks a thousand words.
The CHILDREN are muzzled
The adults, including our dictator Governor who is fighting tooth and nail to undo the Supreme Court ruling as we speak is not.
Nice, right?
Our kids have to protect the adults.
What a time to be alive!
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Disgusting. ALL control and if people can't see this then you are blind or just stupid.
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No masks required in schools in Nassau County
We got an email that due to the court ruling, masks are optional. This leads me to believe masks cannot legally be enforced in a public school. My district would never lift a restriction unless their lawyers told them they had no choice.
Every child and teacher I saw at drop off was wearing a mask.
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by LuckyStar
We got an email that due to the court ruling, masks are optional. This leads me to believe masks cannot legally be enforced in a public school. My district would never lift a restriction unless their lawyers told them they had no choice.
Every child and teacher I saw at drop off was wearing a mask.
All districts in Rockland got an email that due to the appeal, masks are still mandatory. It's being questioned left and right though so we shall see.
Our district sent my friend's daughter home (in K) for not masking (ok, so obviously it was my friend making a statement).
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by NervousNell
What I don't understand is- what is so hard and scary about personal choice in this matter?
Why are people losing their minds over this court decision?
If these masks really work, you should be fine to have your masked child in school with unmasked students.
Mask your kid if you want, let others decide the same.
Back and forth, schools freaking out, parents freakig out, lawyers, courts, power trips, etc.
It's enough already!
Yes!!!! Exactly!
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by NervousNell
Saw this picture and it speaks a thousand words.
The CHILDREN are muzzled
The adults, including our dictator Governor who is fighting tooth and nail to undo the Supreme Court ruling as we speak is not.
Nice, right?
Our kids have to protect the adults.
What a time to be alive!
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Disgusting. ALL control and if people can't see this then you are blind or just stupid.
The worst part about that pic is it's from the summertime/early fall (I've seen it before) when Covid numbers were low, vaccines prevented those vaccinated from getting Delta for the most part, and masks should've been optional.
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by LuckyStar
We got an email that due to the court ruling, masks are optional. This leads me to believe masks cannot legally be enforced in a public school. My district would never lift a restriction unless their lawyers told them they had no choice.
Every child and teacher I saw at drop off was wearing a mask.
Opposite at my daughter's school this morning. Most kids going in not masked. Staff outside helping with drop off not masked- even the Assistant Principal.
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by ali120206
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by NervousNell
Saw this picture and it speaks a thousand words.
The CHILDREN are muzzled
The adults, including our dictator Governor who is fighting tooth and nail to undo the Supreme Court ruling as we speak is not.
Nice, right?
Our kids have to protect the adults.
What a time to be alive!
IMAGE
Disgusting. ALL control and if people can't see this then you are blind or just stupid.
The worst part about that pic is it's from the summertime/early fall (I've seen it before) when Covid numbers were low, vaccines prevented those vaccinated from getting Delta for the most part, and masks should've been optional.
People weren't testing crazy back then though so who knows how many had Delta vaccinated. I have friends who were sick after vaccinated months and months ago.
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by ali120206
Posted by LuckyStar
We got an email that due to the court ruling, masks are optional. This leads me to believe masks cannot legally be enforced in a public school. My district would never lift a restriction unless their lawyers told them they had no choice.
Every child and teacher I saw at drop off was wearing a mask.
All districts in Rockland got an email that due to the appeal, masks are still mandatory. It's being questioned left and right though so we shall see.
Our district sent my friend's daughter home (in K) for not masking (ok, so obviously it was my friend making a statement).
Interesting! I’m so curious as to what drove the decision and the legality on both sides.
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NervousNell
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Re: No masks required in schools in Nassau County
Posted by LuckyStar
We got an email that due to the court ruling, masks are optional. This leads me to believe masks cannot legally be enforced in a public school. My district would never lift a restriction unless their lawyers told them they had no choice.
Every child and teacher I saw at drop off was wearing a mask.
Our email mentioned they had consulted with their counsel and were told they must make masks optional as of today as well
I assume they have lawyers telling them what they can and can't do, so you are probably correct.
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