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bklyngirl
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
i work for a news wire firm and i found out about it when i get home. do you think the cops should've been charged with anything of the crimes brought against them?
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
While I would certainly NEVER applaud this, it is a horrible tragedy for everyone involved, I am in agreement with the judge.
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| Posted 4/25/08 7:58 PM |
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
Posted by Theresa05
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do they get to go back to work now?
Unfortunately, they most likely have lost their jobs, their pensions, everything. I feel sorry for their families, especially their children.
OMG that is sooooooo unfair!
..not quite as "unfair" as someone losing his life in the manner he did, but I digress. 
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| Posted 4/25/08 8:00 PM |
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ctrain1124
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
Posted by MrsKelly
Posted by Ophelia
I think what we need to accept, understand, and realize is that sometimes when things are THAT split second and decisions must be made, that tragedies CAN occur that are SAD and AWFUL they are NOT CRIMES.
AND, I feel we need to give our police officers the BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT when they are in the line of duty.
I'm sorry, but until each one of us is ready to put our lives on the line every DAY, leaving our spouses, parents, children at home with the potential realilty that you may NEVER see them again....NO.
very well said. i said it after the shooting and i'll say it again. until you are ready and willing to walk a mile in my, or any cop's shoes, don't dare judge us.
too many people sit on their high horse and judge what should have and could have been done, what THEY would have done... but it isn't cops judging other cops, it's civilians judging cops. you don't do what we do, you aren't trained how we are trained. you watch and listen and read the news and believe what is put out there, because it is all you know. but it's only half of the story. you have no clue.
 <---- this is NOT applause for the death of sean bell. i feel for his family. i work in far rockaway, where nicole bell and guzman both live. i had interaction with the 2 of them today. i'm a cop, but it doesn't mean i am cold hearted. i understand that those involved and close with sean bell have had their heart ripped out repeatedly for the last year and a half. i truly am sorry for the pain they feel and for their loss. however, i AM applauding the aquital of these police officers... who did not walk out of their house that night, with an unregistered gun they bought of the street, with an intent to commit murder that night. they, were doing their job, putting their lives on the line, just as they did every night, dealing with people who do carry guns or have intent to commit murder. i'm not saying sean bell or the others were those people. but neither were the cops, and they shouldn't be treated as such. THEY were in fear for their lives and acted in good faith, IN THE LINE OF DUTY. what were sean bell and the others doing? were they acting in good faith when they tried to kill the officers with the car? i don't know what anyone was thinking in those moments that night, but i do know that no one in their right mind tries to run over a police officer... or anyone else for that matter. as many have said, this is a tragedy all around. sean bell's family aren't the only ones who have had their hearts ripped out... how do you think those detectives feel? or their families? they have to live with what happened that night, forever. the tragedy that occured, the fear they felt, their names being tarnished, their families being threatened, their careers ruined. all in an instant. and for what? our big paychecks? ha. nypd officers don't do what we do for the money... or to win a polularity contest. i can't pay my bills and each day at work, i am cursed at, spit at, fought with, disrespected over and over and over again. we do what we do, because we love it and it's a passion within us. those detectives did not mean for any of this to happen. their was no intent behind this tragedy. putting those cops in jail wouldn't have brought sean bell back to his family and friends. all it would have done is taught police officers, yet again, that no one stands behind them - and think about what will happen before you think of your life. more of us would get killed and hurt everyday because we'd be too scared to do our jobs. it's not that no reprocussions are being faced. they are being faced every day by those officers, who stood criminal trial for a year and a half, and now have to face departmental and civil trials. that's not enough for anyone to be satisfied? dh is a cop too... and he gets so scared of making one mistake, the department not backing him and him/us losing everything. i always tell him, just act in good faith and it will be okay. in a way, i'm right... because that prevailed in the judges decision and i applaud that man for his decision but it still scares the crap out of me and saddens me that there is still more for those officers to face. some of you know me... what would have happened if it were ME in those detectives shoes? would i all of a sudden be considered a murderer? would i belong in prison like the person who killed some innocent lady as a gang initiation? each and every one of you want the cops to serve and protect you, but you're the first ones to judge us when we do our job. THAT'S disheartening. until you've been there, don't judge.
I applaud YOU for the job you do day in and day out. Please dont get dishearted by some of these posts.
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| Posted 4/25/08 8:47 PM |
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XFINALLYX
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
..not quite as "unfair" as someone losing his life in the manner he did, but I digress.
they tried to run into the cops in their car, the police heard them say "get my gun" on their way out of the club (that's known to have gang activity, and other crimes) and the guy goes to get something out of the glove compartment. they were fearing that the man had a gun in the glove compartment and did what they were taught in the academy. protect themselves and others. they did everything they should have.
they're definitely not losing their jobs. they'll most likely be put on paper work in the office.
and i dont understand the civil rights case. they say it's race based?? the 2 cops were black and the other was hispanic. the 2 men were black. how is this a race issue??
i'm glad the verdict ended this way. i do fear for all of the cops out there (including my husband whose working right now later than normal just in case some riots start) today and for the next few days.
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| Posted 4/25/08 8:50 PM |
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
Posted by MrsKelly
THEY were in fear for their lives and acted in good faith, IN THE LINE OF DUTY. what were sean bell and the others doing? were they acting in good faith when they tried to kill the officers with the car?
for what? our big paychecks? ha. nypd officers don't do what we do for the money... or to win a polularity contest. i can't pay my bills and each day at work, i am cursed at, spit at, fought with, disrespected over and over and over again. we do what we do, because we love it and it's a passion within us.
all it would have done is taught police officers, yet again, that no one stands behind them - and think about what will happen before you think of your life. more of us would get killed and hurt everyday because we'd be too scared to do our jobs. it's not that no reprocussions are being faced.
each and every one of you want the cops to serve and protect you, but you're the first ones to judge us when we do our job. THAT'S disheartening. until you've been there, don't judge.
Now this deserves applause. What you do is a thankless job, underappreciated, underpaid and often judged harshly by those who do not walk in your shoes, yet know how to call when they need your help.
You couldn't have said ANY of this better. It is disheartening, I feel for you and the police officers esp of today.
GOD BLESS YOU, you save the very people's lives who SPIT on you and want to judge and talk nasty about you. You are all ANGELS.
Maybe the police force should have just stayed out of the strip clubs and not tried to protect people as they were instructed to go to strip clubs b/c they breed crime and violence and drugs (according to the judge).
You think it would have been better for the police to just let all these guys, including Sean Bell and friends, just brawl it out with each other, use their guns had they actually had guns, run each other over with cars, etc instead? Or is it their job to try to protect ALL people, including those even fighting with each other, and innocent bystanders (and then of course themselves once in the moment)?
But no, the world doesn't work like that. We need law enforcement to keep our world orderly. The cops have a job to do, someone would call them, they HAVE to do their job and break up crime and fighting and protect people, esp b/c innocent people DO get harmed when people doing the wrong thing act out. So that is why it is a THANKLESS job and that is why the officers aquittal is for sure IS something TO applaud in THIS case.
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| Posted 4/25/08 8:52 PM |
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Kierasmom
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
I feel very bad for Sean Bell's family that they lost him. But I am happy the cops were found not guilty. Sometimes they have to make split second decisions and they don't always make the best ones. Unfortunately sometimes tragedies like this occur. I feel it's the same as our justice system in general, it's not perfect and sometimes people are found guilty even if they are innocent. But for the most part it does work. So yes the cops might have used excessive gun power, but they thought their lives were at risk. And think of how many times you hear about a cop being shot in the line of duty. IMO that happens a lot more than this type of case.
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| Posted 4/25/08 8:54 PM |
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XFINALLYX
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
i also fear for these men from this day forward. their faces were plastered all over the tv and newspaper. their families are probably being harassed. they now have to fear for THEIR life that they won't get hurt or killed. there are alot of cop killers out there and people in general that have animosity towards cops when they're the ones trying to make the streets safer.
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| Posted 4/25/08 8:57 PM |
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
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| Posted 4/25/08 9:13 PM |
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Goobster
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
Let's face facts. They weren't alter boys ~
Bell had been arrested three times, twice for drug dealing and once for a firearms possession. In all cases, he was released on his own recognizance. The New York Daily News reported that, according to unnamed law enforcement sources, Bell sold crack cocaine twice to a confidential police informant in August of 2006. Joseph Guzman and Trent Benefield, who were also shot in the incident, had been arrested nine and three times, respectively, each having been arrested at least once for illegal firearm possession. Benefield was subsequently arrested during a gambling raid in Harlem after attending the funeral of James Brown, and again on September 25, 2007 for hitting his child's mother. His latter arrest resulted in him pleading guilty on October 12, 2007 to a lesser charge, and accepting a conditional discharge along with counseling.
Thanks for posting this. Even the judge (read the transcript) mentioned that they had criminal records and that there were many inconsistencies in their testimonies to boot.
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| Posted 4/25/08 9:19 PM |
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TiggerBounce
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
I debated adding any more to this for a number of reasons. But I want to say the posts by "Ophelia" and "MrsKelly" were very much along the lines of my thoughts.
I was a cop for 2 1/2 yrs-One thing that would irk me was a civilian trying to tell ME the law.
Much like MrsKelly said-unless you have been in MY shoes... Unless you have fired a gun.... Unless you have been facing a vehicle driving AT you with apparent intent to hit you.... Unless you have been faced with a literally SPLIT second decision to save your and/or another human beings life....
Please do not judge.
Please do not assume.
Please do not say "Well I wouldn't have...."
Firing a gun at the range, in a controlled environment is NOT EVEN CLOSE to being faced with a real life situation.
Note: Cops are trained shoot to stop-they are SPECIFICALLY told "You do not shoot to kill" During training in the academy, a justification exam is given, EVERY officer must pass with 100% in order to graduate.
I also wanted to add, I FEAR for these detectives and their families-I fear for retaliation of any kind.
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Candy Girl
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
Posted by XFINALLYX
and i dont understand the civil rights case. they say it's race based?? the 2 cops were black and the other was hispanic. the 2 men were black. how is this a race issue??
I think Micheal Oliver is Middle Eastern, but that's splitting hairs...
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| Posted 4/25/08 9:20 PM |
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Goobster
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
Posted by MsKitty1274
I debated adding any more to this for a number of reasons. But I want to say the posts by "Ophelia" and "MrsKelly" were very much along the lines of my thoughts.
I was a cop for 2 1/2 yrs-One thing that would irk me was a civilian trying to tell ME the law.
Much like MrsKelly said-unless you have been in MY shoes... Unless you have fired a gun.... Unless you have been facing a vehicle driving AT you with apparent intent to hit you.... Unless you have been faced with a literally SPLIT second decision to save your and/or another human beings life....
Please do not judge.
Please do not assume.
Please do not say "Well I wouldn't have...."
Firing a gun at the range, in a controlled environment is NOT EVEN CLOSE to being faced with a real life situation.
Well said, thanks for posting this b/c you speak only from experience.
I totally agree with everything you wrote and I am NOT a cop.
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| Posted 4/25/08 9:22 PM |
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Reese32
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
These guys weren't saints. I think the judge truly went by the facts presented to him, and issued the verdict accordingly. If the cops involved didn't break any laws, as was presented in court, then they should not have been convicted. However, personally, I feel (and this is MY opinion) that perhaps there was undue force. I don't know all the facts, and no one that was was NOT there will EVER know all the facts, so I think the verdict was fair.
That being said, I truly feel for Sean Bell's family. They lost a loved one, and I'm sure they feel as though justice has not been served. Were I in their position, I'm sure I'd feel the same way.
No matter what happened, no one was going to "win" this case. It was a tragic incident that just should never have occurred.
No one who was directly involved with this trial will ever be the same, and my heart goes out to all of them.
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| Posted 4/25/08 9:24 PM |
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Beth
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
Posted by imthekevinofcindyandkevin
Let's face facts. They weren't alter boys ~
Bell had been arrested three times, twice for drug dealing and once for a firearms possession. In all cases, he was released on his own recognizance. The New York Daily News reported that, according to unnamed law enforcement sources, Bell sold crack cocaine twice to a confidential police informant in August of 2006. Joseph Guzman and Trent Benefield, who were also shot in the incident, had been arrested nine and three times, respectively, each having been arrested at least once for illegal firearm possession. Benefield was subsequently arrested during a gambling raid in Harlem after attending the o funeral of James Brown, and again on September 25, 2007 for hitting his child's mother. His latter arrest resulted in him pleading guilty on October 12, 2007 to a lesser charge, and accepting a conditional discharge along with counseling.
but there was no way the cops could have known this at the time....
would the outcome had been any different if they were really "alter boys"???
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| Posted 4/25/08 10:00 PM |
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XFINALLYX
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
To the pp who asked how it can be a race issue when the cops weren't all white--
none of them were white. it's not a race issue.
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XFINALLYX
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
the fact is, the cops heard him say something about a gun and ran out of the club. sean bell tried to run over a cop/run into a cop car (which could have killed the cop) and then the friend went to grab something from the glove compartment. a gun could've been in there. they couldn't risk it. i would've done the same thing as these cops.
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| Posted 4/25/08 10:03 PM |
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JenG
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
Posted by XFINALLYX
the fact is, the cops heard him say something about a gun and ran out of the club. sean bell tried to run over a cop/run into a cop car (which could have killed the cop) and then the friend went to grab something from the glove compartment. a gun could've been in there. they couldn't risk it. i would've done the same thing as these cops.
i would have done the same also.
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SweetestOfPeas
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Posted by sweetie
Posted by XFINALLYX
To the pp who asked how it can be a race issue when the cops weren't all white--
none of them were white. it's not a race issue.
Honey, if you're going to quote someone, you should quote a complete sentence:
"To the pp who asked how it can be a race issue when the cops weren't all white--I think it's a race issue because the victims were all black & assumptions were made based on that fact & also based on what the area is known for.
what???
what assumptions are you speaking of? the "assumption" of a gun being mentioned perhaps?
how about the fact that they didn't stop when told to or the fact that they had every intention of hitting cops with their car?
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XFINALLYX
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
Posted by sweetie
Posted by XFINALLYX
To the pp who asked how it can be a race issue when the cops weren't all white--
none of them were white. it's not a race issue.
Honey, if you're going to quote someone, you should quote a complete sentence:
"To the pp who asked how it can be a race issue when the cops weren't all white--I think it's a race issue because the victims were all black & assumptions were made based on that fact & also based on what the area is known for. It definitely wasn't based on the criminal records of the men because that was unknown at the time. I don't know how anyone can use that as an argument to justify them getting shot that particular night."
Thanks
my point still stands there, none of them were white.
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| Posted 4/25/08 10:07 PM |
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XFINALLYX
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
also, the cops heard them say things, so of course they're going to go after these guys. besides the fact that they tried to run them over. it's not a race issue. its a fact that these guys were idiots and made some stupid moves.
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| Posted 4/25/08 10:08 PM |
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Kidsaplenty
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Re: NOT GUILTY on ALL counts!!!!
Posted by sweetie
--I think it's a race issue because the victims were all black & assumptions were made based on that fact & also based on what the area is known for. It definitely wasn't based on the criminal records of the men because that was unknown at the time. I don't know how anyone can use that as an argument to justify them getting shot that particular night.
Wouldn't you assume someone had a gun if they were yelling that they did?
I think people mention their criminal records because it gives you an idea of the type of people they are.
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