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Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
“It’s the patient’s choice,” said Allison Walsh, of Beth Israel Medical Center. “But it’s our job to educate them on the best option.”
To me, the best option is what you CHOOSE and what works for you.
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Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Why should anyone be lectured? I breastfed because I wanted to, I did it for 4 months and I did not need someone lecturing me on my decision to start or stop. I don't care what studies show about breastmilk vs. formula, I know formula fed babies that are healthier than breastfed. It's a personal decision and he needs to stay the hell out of it.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Grill
...(think about the reduction in cancers that is proven for women who BF, etc. etc).
Ummm - what?? You do understand there is absolutely NO "proven" reduction in any cancer by BF women right? A study may establish a correlation but in no way, shape or form is there any proof that BF reduces cancer. It's this type of 'education' I'm concerned with.
He cannot constitutionally say this is for WIC recipients so it has to be a general rule. An order on a chart will alleviate any lecture.
(For the record I have exclusively FF all three of my children)
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
What an idiot! Part of the reason I am putting the baby on formula is because I dont feel comfortable pumping at work ( NYC school). Will he make sure that there are adequate places for women to pump when they go to work? nope. How about supporting a longer maternity leave so women can EBF longer.... He should stick to soda.
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Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Anyone else find irony that here on LIF, no matter what side of FF or BF you stand on, we all groan and despise the lecture of what side is best? We all hate being told or lectured by other LIF members on their decision.
They shouldn't lecture, they should just have new moms log onto some old LIF threads 
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Grill
...(think about the reduction in cancers that is proven for women who BF, etc. etc).
Ummm - what?? You do understand there is absolutely NO "proven" reduction in any cancer by BF women right? A study may establish a correlation but in no way, shape or form is there any proof that BF reduces cancer. It's this type of 'education' I'm concerned with.
He cannot constitutionally say this is for WIC recipients so it has to be a general rule. An order on a chart will alleviate any lecture.
(For the record I have exclusively FF all three of my children)
Sorry to hear that you are unaware of this Leeners. However, exclusive BFing for at least 6 months has been substantially proven to reduce breast cancer. There is also strong suggestive evidence that it reduces ovarian cancers as well. Here's one of a gazillion links to legitimate medical research reviews: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/93952.php
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Leeners
Posted by Grill
...(think about the reduction in cancers that is proven for women who BF, etc. etc).
Ummm - what?? You do understand there is absolutely NO "proven" reduction in any cancer by BF women right? A study may establish a correlation but in no way, shape or form is there any proof that BF reduces cancer. It's this type of 'education' I'm concerned with.
He cannot constitutionally say this is for WIC recipients so it has to be a general rule. An order on a chart will alleviate any lecture.
(For the record I have exclusively FF all three of my children)
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Grill
Posted by Grill
...(think about the reduction in cancers that is proven for women who BF, etc. etc).
Ummm - what?? You do understand there is absolutely NO "proven" reduction in any cancer by BF women right? A study may establish a correlation but in no way, shape or form is there any proof that BF reduces cancer. It's this type of 'education' I'm concerned with.
He cannot constitutionally say this is for WIC recipients so it has to be a general rule. An order on a chart will alleviate any lecture.
(For the record I have exclusively FF all three of my children)
Sorry to hear that you are unaware of this Leeners. However, exclusive BFing for at least 6 months has been substantially proven to reduce breast cancer. There is also strong suggestive evidence that it reduces ovarian cancers as well. Here's one of a gazillion links to legitimate medical research reviews: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/93952.php
That is not 'proof'. Perhaps to you it's a matter of semantics but in the medical information community, there is a tremendous difference between 'evidence linking' and 'proof.'
I do want to apologize for the unnecessary snark in my original post - that's actually why I just came back on, to make a note of it. I've been working for 12 years in medical information and it is that hat I was wearing in my reply. I understand that it does sound semantical to others but at the same time, saying something is proven gives it 100% legitimacy - based on one study linking the two.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Leeners
Posted by Grill
Posted by Grill
...(think about the reduction in cancers that is proven for women who BF, etc. etc).
Ummm - what?? You do understand there is absolutely NO "proven" reduction in any cancer by BF women right? A study may establish a correlation but in no way, shape or form is there any proof that BF reduces cancer. It's this type of 'education' I'm concerned with.
He cannot constitutionally say this is for WIC recipients so it has to be a general rule. An order on a chart will alleviate any lecture.
(For the record I have exclusively FF all three of my children)
Sorry to hear that you are unaware of this Leeners. However, exclusive BFing for at least 6 months has been substantially proven to reduce breast cancer. There is also strong suggestive evidence that it reduces ovarian cancers as well. Here's one of a gazillion links to legitimate medical research reviews: http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/93952.php
That is not 'proof'. Perhaps to you it's a matter of semantics but in the medical information community, there is a tremendous difference between 'evidence linking' and 'proof.'
I do want to apologize for the unnecessary snark in my original post - that's actually why I just came back on, to make a note of it. I've been working for 12 years in medical information and it is that hat I was wearing in my reply. I understand that it does sound semantical to others but at the same time, saying something is proven gives it 100% legitimacy - based on one study linking the two.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Oh hell no is what I think about that insanity  My baby, my body, my choice. back off.
If I don't want to be a human cow, no one should tell me otherwise. Formula is just fine, thank you.
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Grill
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Here's a quote from the article I referenced:
"lactation was the only one found to lower risk of breast cancer throughout a woman's life."
This language combined with the other terms in the article (evidence, convincing evidence) are the best we can ever have in science, with all the confounding variables that exist in studies like these. If a woman needs more "proof" than this that BFing is the better choice, then I would venture to say that she is protecting a decision she made that deep down she may question. I don't even understand how there could be a debate about BF and FF. I mean....do what you want, but realize that if you chose to FF without giving BFing the good, hard effort it deserves...you are picking the less beneficial option for yourself and your child. It's just so simple, entirely supported in the medical literature and simply preposterous to even debate it. It should not be a matter of legislation. But like heroin...sometimes the government needs to step in to protect it's people from themselves (or in this case, from their parents!).
And FTR, I think heroin should be legal too. To each his or her own. Your body, your choice.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by JenandMikey
i think that for every woman thats lectured on the negatives of giving formula than a woman that is bf should be lectured on the negatives of bf as well because the fact of the matter is there are negatives to bf as well.......if im going to be lectured and in other words getting a slap on my wrist for a choice I MADE FOR MY FAMILY while im lying there in pain vulnerable from just giving birth than you're sure as shit i want the same thing done to the woman next to me that has chosen the latter
I didn't know there were negatives to breastfeeding... like? It was always my understanding that we produce milk to feed our babies. Formula wasn't even around until the 1860s or so. Before that, if you had supply issues then another woman BF'd your baby.
I interpreted the initiative as "let's not automatically shove formula in the face of new, exhausted moms and give them a fighting chance to try and hopefully succeed at breastfeeding." Nowhere did it say that women would not be ALLOWED to formula-feed.
whatever Bloomberg's motives are, I'm sure the formula companies aren't thrilled with him either.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
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Is his reasoning to discourage those who require $$$ assistance such as WIC, from requiring more $$ assistance to feed their child formula?
Or is this up there with his plan to limit the size of a soda a person can buy?
Before he tries to force breastfeeding, he should try growing breasts and see if his opinion changes. 
This! I think it's totally a WIC issue, trying to save the city $$.
This is totally the reason. He's just trying to cut costs.....but this is no way to do it.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by Grill
you are picking the less beneficial option for yourself and your child. It's just so simple, entirely supported in the medical literature and simply preposterous to even debate it. It should not be a matter of legislation. But like heroin...sometimes the government needs to step in to protect it's people from themselves (or in this case, from their parents!).
And FTR, I think heroin should be legal too. To each his or her own. Your body, your choice.
People's minds and behaviors are altered by HEROIN. People kill people when on drugs or heroin, etc. You actually think Heroin should be LEGAL and yet find a way to compare formula (NOT A DRUG) to a mind altering drug?
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| Posted 7/29/12 9:45 PM |
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
AAAAAAAAAA$$$$$$$$$$$$$$HHHHOOOOOLLLLLEEEE!!!!!
Sorry, but I'll decide if I'm going to BF or not...not Mayor Bloomberg!
What a tool!
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Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
While I don't disagree that changes would be helpful, this would just piss a lot of people off. The last thing a woman needs after giving birth is a lecture.
I think more support for women who WANT to BF would be way more helpful. I was so frustrated and disappointed that the nurses were not more supportive and helpful when I had DD. I had to ask for help and what I got was not good. The nurses just grabbed DD by the back of the head and shoved her toward my breast. The next nurse who tried to "help" instead convinced me that I needed to give her formula because she was starving at 6 hours old. I hadn't slept in two days and so I caved. The poor baby was choking as the nurse tried to force her to drink from the bottle.
I delivered at SB and attended the BFing class where I heard all about their initiatives and programs to support BFing moms. My experience was that they need even more support. I don't think any mom should be made to feel bad about choosing to FF. While a lecture may be meant to simply give information, it will never come across that way to a mom who's just given birth. I definitely don't think this proposal is the answer.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
One more rant...why doesn't Bloomberg make it mandatory that companies pay women FULL pay during maternity leave????? So they can be home with their baby and not go broke?????
I took my full 3 months of leave...WITHOUT pay because that's how my company rolls. But THAT'S ok?
Whatever. Focus on the important things.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Ugh. You missed my point Goobster. I'm not comparing heroin to breastfeeding. I'm comparing the legislation on heroin to the legislation on breastfeeding....I think it's unnecessary, but I also see that it makes sense when people don't choose the better option and it ends up costing people (and/or others) their health and well being. I'm also comparing the choice to do or not do heroin on the choice to BF or not BF. Your body your choice...but accept the consequences. That's all.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
I don't know. I don't see the problem. It sounds like they're not really taking away your choice between BF & FF, just encouraging breast milk due to its benefits. I don't see anything wrong with encouraging one thing over the other, as long as they don't force it. I can't even tell you how many times I've been 'encouraged' by a doctor, parent, friend, etc to do things THEIR way rather than mine. Annoying? Yes. But I don't get my panties in a bunch. I just stick to my guns on what *I* feel is right for MY family and accept that they just see it another way. So the hospitals encouraging something and not giving away as many free samples just doesn't seem all that bad to me, so long as they don't deny it from you if in fact you & your baby are in need of it. And honestly, when DD was born I felt like formula was being thrown at me from all ends and I found it ridiculous. Not just the many, many samples, but the nurses kept pressuring me to give her the formula until my milk fully came in, which is dumb since the colostrum is so incredibly healthy for newborns. I felt very pressured to FF even though I desperately wanted to BF. So for somebody like me who experienced the other end of it, I think it sounds nice to not have the formula thrown in my face next time around. But I can understand how anybody who wants to FF doesn't want to be lectured in a way that makes them feel guilted into something else. Hopefully that's not the case.
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Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
When Bloomberg births a child and grows lactating breasts he can lecture me on how to feed my child until then shut the fuckk up.
This man is amazing he is a better teacher, firefighter, police officer and NOW MOTHER than every NYC resident.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
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I don't know. I don't see the problem. It sounds like they're not really taking away your choice between BF & FF, just encouraging breast milk due to its benefits. I don't see anything wrong with encouraging one thing over the other, as long as they don't force it. I can't even tell you how many times I've been 'encouraged' by a doctor, parent, friend, etc to do things THEIR way rather than mine. Annoying? Yes. But I don't get my panties in a bunch. I just stick to my guns on what *I* feel is right for MY family and accept that they just see it another way. So the hospitals encouraging something and not giving away as many free samples just doesn't seem all that bad to me, so long as they don't deny it from you if in fact you & your baby are in need of it. And honestly, when DD was born I felt like formula was being thrown at me from all ends and I found it ridiculous. Not just the many, many samples, but the nurses kept pressuring me to give her the formula until my milk fully came in, which is dumb since the colostrum is so incredibly healthy for newborns. I felt very pressured to FF even though I desperately wanted to BF. So for somebody like me who experienced the other end of it, I think it sounds nice to not have the formula thrown in my face next time around. But I can understand how anybody who wants to FF doesn't want to be lectured in a way that makes them feel guilted into something else. Hopefully that's not the case.
ITA Thanks for explaining my thoughts better than I did in my own post!
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
I find it appalling. No one should be forced or made to feel guilty about not breast feeding. Who the hell does Bloomberg think he is trying to force this on women. I feel if you want to breast feed, that's great. If you want to formula feed, that makes you no less of a mother. Aren't there other problems this city faces that are more serious than breastfeeding?
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
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Posted by Ever-After
I don't know. I don't see the problem. It sounds like they're not really taking away your choice between BF & FF, just encouraging breast milk due to its benefits. I don't see anything wrong with encouraging one thing over the other, as long as they don't force it. I can't even tell you how many times I've been 'encouraged' by a doctor, parent, friend, etc to do things THEIR way rather than mine. Annoying? Yes. But I don't get my panties in a bunch. I just stick to my guns on what *I* feel is right for MY family and accept that they just see it another way. So the hospitals encouraging something and not giving away as many free samples just doesn't seem all that bad to me, so long as they don't deny it from you if in fact you & your baby are in need of it. And honestly, when DD was born I felt like formula was being thrown at me from all ends and I found it ridiculous. Not just the many, many samples, but the nurses kept pressuring me to give her the formula until my milk fully came in, which is dumb since the colostrum is so incredibly healthy for newborns. I felt very pressured to FF even though I desperately wanted to BF. So for somebody like me who experienced the other end of it, I think it sounds nice to not have the formula thrown in my face next time around. But I can understand how anybody who wants to FF doesn't want to be lectured in a way that makes them feel guilted into something else. Hopefully that's not the case.
ITA Thanks for explaining my thoughts better than I did in my own post!
I read yours right after I posted mine and was like "Oh, somebody already said it!" lol.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
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Ugh. You missed my point Goobster. I'm not comparing heroin to breastfeeding. I'm comparing the legislation on heroin to the legislation on breastfeeding....I think it's unnecessary, but I also see that it makes sense when people don't choose the better option and it ends up costing people (and/or others) their health and well being. I'm also comparing the choice to do or not do heroin on the choice to BF or not BF. Your body your choice...but accept the consequences. That's all.
Some people cannot "choose the better option" - some people do not have a choice. And the more you call it the "better" option, etc., the more you are offending people who may not have had the option. Just giving you some thoughts from a different perspective.
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Re: Not sure if it's been posted already...did you hear about Bloomberg's latest initiative?
Posted by summerbaby11
Posted by JenandMikey
i think that for every woman thats lectured on the negatives of giving formula than a woman that is bf should be lectured on the negatives of bf as well because the fact of the matter is there are negatives to bf as well.......if im going to be lectured and in other words getting a slap on my wrist for a choice I MADE FOR MY FAMILY while im lying there in pain vulnerable from just giving birth than you're sure as shit i want the same thing done to the woman next to me that has chosen the latter
I didn't know there were negatives to breastfeeding... like? It was always my understanding that we produce milk to feed our babies. Formula wasn't even around until the 1860s or so. Before that, if you had supply issues then another woman BF'd your baby.
I interpreted the initiative as "let's not automatically shove formula in the face of new, exhausted moms and give them a fighting chance to try and hopefully succeed at breastfeeding." Nowhere did it say that women would not be ALLOWED to formula-feed.
whatever Bloomberg's motives are, I'm sure the formula companies aren't thrilled with him either.
everything in life no matter if it's a natural human bodily function or not has it's negatives.....here are just a few since you asked:
Cons to breastfeeding:
Breastfeeding takes Dad out of the equation and makes bonding all about mommy and child, not parents and child.
Increases your risk for clogged milk ducts,breast infection or mastitis.
Higher levels of jaundice are found in babies who are breastfed.
Baby may get dehydrated easier
Risk of cavities in infants who are breastfed for over a year – Please note, however, that the risk of cavities is still higher for formula-fed babies.
Risk of rickets (vitamin-D deficiency) – especially in darker skinned babies
Not necessarily convenient – Although promotion for breastfeeding has made leaps and bounds over the years, there are few places in public that cater to the breastfeeding mother. Many mothers can end up feeling very frustrated over this severe oversight.
Must always be available for feeding or provide pumped breast milk if absent – After a long pregnancy and grueling delivery, a new mother needs her rest to recover. Newborns must eat every two to three hours for the first weeks of life. The constant caring for her newborn can leave an already tired mother feeling even more fatigued.
First weeks of breastfeeding may be very painful
Certain medications can interrupt breastfeeding
Your diet can have an effect on the baby
and as for your comment on the Bloomberg movement never stating anything about not ALLOWING women to ff, i never used those words when expressing my disgust what i stated was that "if i am going to get lectured for a choice i made for MY FAMILY than the woman sitting next to me that chose the latter should be getting a lecture as well"
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