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Bxgell2
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
I was an Obama supporter, and I've also seen some impact he has made on my very own Agency, some good, and some bad. But, at the end of the day, the strongest identity that I have is Judaism. I understand that many, many non-Jews will never understand exactly why my self identity is so closely interlocked with Judaism, considering I'm not at all religious. It is just a tacit understanding amongst most Jews that simply cannot be described. And Israel, its people, and its safety is so intertwined with that identity as a Jewish woman, that my strongest political alignment is to its well-being, above and beyond any liberal political viewpoints I may have that align closely with Obama's administration. I think this is just such a huge slap to the face after the promises he made during his campaign. Those were the very promises that swayed me to forgoe my hesitations and vote for him. NEVER AGAIN.
This is a huge mistake, and the consequences could be unspeakable. It saddens me beyond belief 
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by headoverheels
I won't comment on his statement, because I don't know enough about Israel or politics to do so, but I am curious: Does anyone know if there are any other countries who have been granted independence based almost solely on what the Bible says?
In 1948--in the wake of some of the worst atrocities that the modern world had ever seen...I'd say confidently that the contents of the Bible were not a major rationale for the genesis of Israel.
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headoverheels
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by Leeners
Not getting involved in this debate but wanted to make a point of clarification. He is not calling for the unilateral return to pre-1967 borders - it is the pre-1967 borders WITH land swaps to account for Israeli settlements in the West Bank, as a starting point.
Just want to be certain that as this debate rages on - here and IRL - that people pay attention to that bit because everything I'm seeing - here, in the media - only references the pre-1967 borders.
ETS: the in the media piece meaning in their (somewhat inflammatory) headlines. It is only when you read through the full articles that even a mention of the land swaps is made.
Thanks for the clarification. 
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headoverheels
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by seaside
Posted by headoverheels
I won't comment on his statement, because I don't know enough about Israel or politics to do so, but I am curious: Does anyone know if there are any other countries who have been granted independence based almost solely on what the Bible says?
In 1948--in the wake of some of the worst atrocities that the modern world had ever seen...I'd say confidently that the contents of the Bible were not a major rationale for the genesis of Israel.
No, the Arab-Israeli war was  but they were fighting for land that they understood to be theirs based on a history that is largely contained within the Old Testament.
ETA: I know that you are referring to WWII and the Holocaust, but I understand that to be the catalyst of the creation of Israel, and not the MAIN reason it was created, that's all.
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by Bxgell2
I was an Obama supporter, and I've also seen some impact he has made on my very own Agency, some good, and some bad. But, at the end of the day, the strongest identity that I have is Judaism. I understand that many, many non-Jews will never understand exactly why my self identity is so closely interlocked with Judaism, considering I'm not at all religious. It is just a tacit understanding amongst most Jews that simply cannot be described. And Israel, its people, and its safety is so intertwined with that identity as a Jewish woman, that my strongest political alignment is to its well-being, above and beyond any liberal political viewpoints I may have that align closely with Obama's administration. I think this is just such a huge slap to the face after the promises he made during his campaign. Those were the very promises that swayed me to forgoe my hesitations and vote for him. NEVER AGAIN.
This is a huge mistake, and the consequences could be unspeakable. It saddens me beyond belief
Id say "THIS" but it annoys the hell out of people. So instead I will 
Again I mention the diminishing Jewish population and how we fight to hold on to whatever we have. Israel and Judaism (whether Reform with Liberal politics of Orthodox with Conservative politics or Conservative with Moderate politics) is very much a passion of their followers. 13-14 million world wide. Half of those in this country. Less than 1 percent of the world's total population based on religion. Damn straight I will be vocal about a homeland and protecting it. I'm praying very hard - VERY hard.
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by Bxgell2
I was an Obama supporter, and I've also seen some impact he has made on my very own Agency, some good, and some bad. But, at the end of the day, the strongest identity that I have is Judaism. I understand that many, many non-Jews will never understand exactly why my self identity is so closely interlocked with Judaism, considering I'm not at all religious. It is just a tacit understanding amongst most Jews that simply cannot be described. And Israel, its people, and its safety is so intertwined with that identity as a Jewish woman, that my strongest political alignment is to its well-being, above and beyond any liberal political viewpoints I may have that align closely with Obama's administration. I think this is just such a huge slap to the face after the promises he made during his campaign. Those were the very promises that swayed me to forgoe my hesitations and vote for him. NEVER AGAIN.
This is a huge mistake, and the consequences could be unspeakable. It saddens me beyond belief
Slightly off topic and not nearly as popular, Armenians understand what's happening here and frankly, I'm not surprised by Obama becoming a disappointment. I too voted for him and one of the reasons was because of his position to support the Armenians in getting Turkey to recognize the genocide. (You know the one that gave Hitler his famous "Who remembers the Armenians" quote when scheming his horrible plan for the Jews).
Obama adamantly promised to demand recognition for the Armenians much in the same way the Jews found retribution in the admitting and apologizing for the wiping out of millions. He reneged on his promise to us, the Armenians. Clearly Turkey's border and cooperation was just too important for him to jeopardize by keeping his word. The word that he used to sway votes during his campaign.
To make matters worse...there's so few of us left, that it doesn't make the headlines the way today's news does. I doubt any of you even knew that there was a rally in NYC just 2 weeks ago representing 96 years of a struggle for recognition of the first genocide in the 20th century where 1.5 million Armenians were wiped off the map.
I was disappointed in him then and I'm disappointed in him now.
This is just a long-winded way for me to say, I understand how you feel. 
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by Bxgell2
I was an Obama supporter, and I've also seen some impact he has made on my very own Agency, some good, and some bad. But, at the end of the day, the strongest identity that I have is Judaism. I understand that many, many non-Jews will never understand exactly why my self identity is so closely interlocked with Judaism, considering I'm not at all religious. It is just a tacit understanding amongst most Jews that simply cannot be described. And Israel, its people, and its safety is so intertwined with that identity as a Jewish woman, that my strongest political alignment is to its well-being, above and beyond any liberal political viewpoints I may have that align closely with Obama's administration. I think this is just such a huge slap to the face after the promises he made during his campaign. Those were the very promises that swayed me to forgoe my hesitations and vote for him. NEVER AGAIN.
This is a huge mistake, and the consequences could be unspeakable. It saddens me beyond belief
Id say "THIS" but it annoys the hell out of people. So instead I will
Again I mention the diminishing Jewish population and how we fight to hold on to whatever we have. Israel and Judaism (whether Reform with Liberal politics of Orthodox with Conservative politics or Conservative with Moderate politics) is very much a passion of their followers. 13-14 million world wide. Half of those in this country. Less than 1 percent of the world's total population based on religion. Damn straight I will be vocal about a homeland and protecting it. I'm praying very hard - VERY hard.
THIS I already annoy ppl so I don't care
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
I just wonder why the US isn't asking any of its other allies to cede land acquired when it was attacked--or any other land it possesses. Why Israel?
I am very disappointed in the way things are unfolding.
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by pickles16
Posted by Goldi0218
Posted by Bxgell2
I was an Obama supporter, and I've also seen some impact he has made on my very own Agency, some good, and some bad. But, at the end of the day, the strongest identity that I have is Judaism. I understand that many, many non-Jews will never understand exactly why my self identity is so closely interlocked with Judaism, considering I'm not at all religious. It is just a tacit understanding amongst most Jews that simply cannot be described. And Israel, its people, and its safety is so intertwined with that identity as a Jewish woman, that my strongest political alignment is to its well-being, above and beyond any liberal political viewpoints I may have that align closely with Obama's administration. I think this is just such a huge slap to the face after the promises he made during his campaign. Those were the very promises that swayed me to forgoe my hesitations and vote for him. NEVER AGAIN.
This is a huge mistake, and the consequences could be unspeakable. It saddens me beyond belief
Id say "THIS" but it annoys the hell out of people. So instead I will
Again I mention the diminishing Jewish population and how we fight to hold on to whatever we have. Israel and Judaism (whether Reform with Liberal politics of Orthodox with Conservative politics or Conservative with Moderate politics) is very much a passion of their followers. 13-14 million world wide. Half of those in this country. Less than 1 percent of the world's total population based on religion. Damn straight I will be vocal about a homeland and protecting it. I'm praying very hard - VERY hard.
THIS I already annoy ppl so I don't care
Double this!!! (or is it triple at this point?)
As usual, Beth, you stated (my exact) thoughts much more eloquently than I ever could.
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Ian&EmmesMommy23
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Jew here...I voted for Obama, and thought I liked him. He just lost my vote.
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by seaside
Posted by headoverheels
I won't comment on his statement, because I don't know enough about Israel or politics to do so, but I am curious: Does anyone know if there are any other countries who have been granted independence based almost solely on what the Bible says?
In 1948--in the wake of some of the worst atrocities that the modern world had ever seen...I'd say confidently that the contents of the Bible were not a major rationale for the genesis of Israel.
No, the Arab-Israeli war was but they were fighting for land that they understood to be theirs based on a history that is largely contained within the Old Testament.
ETA: I know that you are referring to WWII and the Holocaust, but I understand that to be the catalyst of the creation of Israel, and not the MAIN reason it was created, that's all.
Without going into a religious debate, the "creation" of Israel and how it came to be independent is in essence the entire issue for the rest of the muslin population. People were displaced. Resentment, hate, etc...
The ongoing involvement of the US in the issue has been a major issue for the rest of the Middle East adding to the fuel.
But Obama's decision (which is NOT HIS to make!!!) is ludicrous!
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BunnyWife
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by smdl
Without going into a religious debate, the "creation" of Israel and how it came to be independent is in essence the entire issue for the rest of the muslin population. People were displaced. Resentment, hate, etc...
The ongoing involvement of the US in the issue has been a major issue for the rest of the Middle East adding to the fuel.
But Obama's decision (which is NOT HIS to make!!!) is ludicrous!
I agree with everything you said. I really think we need to stay out of this.
I also think that Israel REALLY needs to stop the land grabs in the west bank.
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by smdl
Without going into a religious debate, the "creation" of Israel and how it came to be independent is in essence the entire issue for the rest of the muslin population. People were displaced. Resentment, hate, etc...
The ongoing involvement of the US in the issue has been a major issue for the rest of the Middle East adding to the fuel.
But Obama's decision (which is NOT HIS to make!!!) is ludicrous!
I agree with everything you said. I really think we need to stay out of this.
I also think that Israel REALLY needs to stop the land grabs in the west bank.
ITA
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BriBri2u
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by brownie
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by smdl
Without going into a religious debate, the "creation" of Israel and how it came to be independent is in essence the entire issue for the rest of the muslin population. People were displaced. Resentment, hate, etc...
The ongoing involvement of the US in the issue has been a major issue for the rest of the Middle East adding to the fuel.
But Obama's decision (which is NOT HIS to make!!!) is ludicrous!
I agree with everything you said. I really think we need to stay out of this.
I also think that Israel REALLY needs to stop the land grabs in the west bank.
ITA
I agree as well...
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headoverheels
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by BriBri2u
Posted by brownie
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by smdl
Without going into a religious debate, the "creation" of Israel and how it came to be independent is in essence the entire issue for the rest of the muslin population. People were displaced. Resentment, hate, etc...
The ongoing involvement of the US in the issue has been a major issue for the rest of the Middle East adding to the fuel.
But Obama's decision (which is NOT HIS to make!!!) is ludicrous!
I agree with everything you said. I really think we need to stay out of this.
I also think that Israel REALLY needs to stop the land grabs in the west bank.
ITA
I agree as well...
That's very true, Sophie, thank you for the reminder and I do agree as well.
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
i have really mixed feelings about this.
On one hand, I understand why Israel is making the land grabs it is making- to create a buffer zone around them in a very hostile world...
On the other hand, the current policy is breeding more hate and more discontentment amongst the Palestinians.. and that directly affects the USA's safety.
Ever read Mornings in Jenin? It is an work of historical fiction written from the viewpoint of Palestinian Refugees uprooted in 1948.. reading this brought some understanding of the intense hostility felt by the Palestinians.
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Ophelia
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by smdl
Without going into a religious debate, the "creation" of Israel and how it came to be independent is in essence the entire issue for the rest of the muslin population. People were displaced. Resentment, hate, etc...
The ongoing involvement of the US in the issue has been a major issue for the rest of the Middle East adding to the fuel.
But Obama's decision (which is NOT HIS to make!!!) is ludicrous!
I agree with everything you said. I really think we need to stay out of this.
I also think that Israel REALLY needs to stop the land grabs in the west bank.
ok, so I read the speach.
One, he didn't make a DECISION. he outwardly stated a LONG HELD US POLICY. meaning, it was our policy BEFORE Obama took office.
two, "staying out of it" isn't really our thing. We have long been an ally of Israel, and I don't think Obama reiterating our LONG HELD policy diminishes that, looking at it objectively.
three, I agree with the land grabbing. this is MY biggest issue with Israel. it must stop. it NEEDS to stop. it's completely and totally unfair.
I am going to say that I am NOT JEWISH. NOR am I Palestinian. I do have friends on both sides of the proverbial and physical fence though.
and I do agree that both sides MUST concede something in order for the peace process to work.
Sophie hit the nail on the head about anger and resentment.
In this instance, I don't care what the Bible says....any people should have a place...a piece of land they can call home. Palestine should be a state. Israel should be a state. they should both be SAFE places to raise future children.
that is the goal here. why can't we see that.
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Ophelia
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by Sassyz75
Ever read Mornings in Jenin? It is an work of historical fiction written from the viewpoint of Palestinian Refugees uprooted in 1948.. reading this brought some understanding of the intense hostility felt by the Palestinians.
I have two friends who are Palestinian (they don't even know each other)
one is my brothers childhood friend and his family.
the other is my BFF"S good friend since high school.
I have spoken to both of them at length about the situations in Palestine b/c it interests me greatly...to hear from people who live there (especially my friend B, who went back as an adult to teach and only left after the shelling became too much. that saddens me. maybe you think it's deserved. but the shelling of a school building makes me as sad as an explosion of a suicide bomber in a supermarket. I find it horrible and unnecessary on BOTH sides..sorry for the digression) it does change my views so a certain extent.
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by smdl
Without going into a religious debate, the "creation" of Israel and how it came to be independent is in essence the entire issue for the rest of the muslin population. People were displaced. Resentment, hate, etc...
The ongoing involvement of the US in the issue has been a major issue for the rest of the Middle East adding to the fuel.
But Obama's decision (which is NOT HIS to make!!!) is ludicrous!
I agree with everything you said. I really think we need to stay out of this.
I also think that Israel REALLY needs to stop the land grabs in the west bank.
ok, so I read the speach.
One, he didn't make a DECISION. he outwardly stated a LONG HELD US POLICY. meaning, it was our policy BEFORE Obama took office.
two, "staying out of it" isn't really our thing. We have long been an ally of Israel, and I don't think Obama reiterating our LONG HELD policy diminishes that, looking at it objectively.
three, I agree with the land grabbing. this is MY biggest issue with Israel. it must stop. it NEEDS to stop. it's completely and totally unfair.
I am going to say that I am NOT JEWISH. NOR am I Palestinian. I do have friends on both sides of the proverbial and physical fence though.
and I do agree that both sides MUST concede something in order for the peace process to work.
Sophie hit the nail on the head about anger and resentment.
In this instance, I don't care what the Bible says....any people should have a place...a piece of land they can call home. Palestine should be a state. Israel should be a state. they should both be SAFE places to raise future children.
that is the goal here. why can't we see that.
from what I understand, it really isn't US policy. Let me see if I can find a source (don't worry it will be a legitimate source)
On a side note, I wish Obama would put this much thought and effort into our borders...Just sayin...
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by Ophelia
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by smdl
Without going into a religious debate, the "creation" of Israel and how it came to be independent is in essence the entire issue for the rest of the muslin population. People were displaced. Resentment, hate, etc...
The ongoing involvement of the US in the issue has been a major issue for the rest of the Middle East adding to the fuel.
But Obama's decision (which is NOT HIS to make!!!) is ludicrous!
I agree with everything you said. I really think we need to stay out of this.
I also think that Israel REALLY needs to stop the land grabs in the west bank.
ok, so I read the speach.
One, he didn't make a DECISION. he outwardly stated a LONG HELD US POLICY. meaning, it was our policy BEFORE Obama took office.
two, "staying out of it" isn't really our thing. We have long been an ally of Israel, and I don't think Obama reiterating our LONG HELD policy diminishes that, looking at it objectively.
three, I agree with the land grabbing. this is MY biggest issue with Israel. it must stop. it NEEDS to stop. it's completely and totally unfair.
I am going to say that I am NOT JEWISH. NOR am I Palestinian. I do have friends on both sides of the proverbial and physical fence though.
and I do agree that both sides MUST concede something in order for the peace process to work.
Sophie hit the nail on the head about anger and resentment.
In this instance, I don't care what the Bible says....any people should have a place...a piece of land they can call home. Palestine should be a state. Israel should be a state. they should both be SAFE places to raise future children.
that is the goal here. why can't we see that.
The US has always taken side with Israel, angering the rest of Middle East.
But Israel HAS to stop taking advantage of the back up of the US and keep doing this land grabbing without repercussion either.
There will NO peace in Israel/Palestine that I can see. Palestinians trully feel victims. Land taken away from them. They have had their share of contribution to violence to fight it. But so did Israel.
I don't see a solution. Either way, both sides will feel like victims.
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
I think in order to make a judgement on this, we'd have to see what the "land swaps" would be.
There can't be a 2 state solution without Israel giving up some of its land. It sounded to me like the pre 1967 borders was a starting point for negotiation.
I'm not Jewish. I've tried to and can't understand that visceral connection many American Jews feel with Israel. In fact I generally feel that Israel is treated too much like the 51st state, which it isn't, and the US has adopted a policy of protecting Israel at the expense of our own security at times, which I feel is wrong.
I think the issue is too complex. Honestly, I don't have a lot of faith that any US President will be able to broker a deal in my lifetime, but I *do* believe the only hope for peace is a 2-state solution, which would require some sacrifice on Israel's part, which I know some people are not willing to accept.
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
I AM Jewish- the daughter and wife of Israelis and I was raised to beleive in a peace in the middle east. However, with the election of Hamas, I now believe that while Hamas is in power, there will never be peace. The Hamas madate calls for the destruction of the Jewish state. How can you have a two state solution when the Palistinian elected government will not accept that?
Israel has tried to give land for peace- over and over. Several years ago (2005 I believe) the Israeli army forced the Jewish settlers at gunpoint out of these lands. That did not create peace. So with the most recent elections, the settlements were OK'd by the current Israeli government.
Posted by JenniferEver
I'm not Jewish. I've tried to and can't understand that visceral connection many American Jews feel with Israel.
I can't explain everyone's feelings, but I can explain my own. In every country the Jews have lived- they have been expelled because of hatred. My grandparents in Europe, my DH's family in Iraq. His family lived in Iraq since the Spanish Inquisition (where Jews were forced to convert or die). In the 50s, Iraq revoked every Jew's citizenship and their right to own property and murdered hundreds of Jews. With the rise of Islamic Fundamentalism in the 70s and 80s, Jews living in Morrocco, Iran, Syria, etc... for thousands of years were suddenly unsafe in their lands. The Jews of those countries had somewhere to go- Israel- and that is how most of them survived.
People say it can't happen here in America- but I don't believe that. There is so much hatred towards Jews that I believe it is only a matter of time. I am glad to know that should anything happen, I have a home in Israel.
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by Bxgell2
I was an Obama supporter, and I've also seen some impact he has made on my very own Agency, some good, and some bad. But, at the end of the day, the strongest identity that I have is Judaism. I understand that many, many non-Jews will never understand exactly why my self identity is so closely interlocked with Judaism, considering I'm not at all religious. It is just a tacit understanding amongst most Jews that simply cannot be described. And Israel, its people, and its safety is so intertwined with that identity as a Jewish woman, that my strongest political alignment is to its well-being, above and beyond any liberal political viewpoints I may have that align closely with Obama's administration. I think this is just such a huge slap to the face after the promises he made during his campaign. Those were the very promises that swayed me to forgoe my hesitations and vote for him. NEVER AGAIN.
This is a huge mistake, and the consequences could be unspeakable. It saddens me beyond belief
ITA. Well said.
And I will reiterate- Obama lost my vote. And I'm sure he will lose the financial support of many Jewish donors. It will be a very interesting election in 2012.
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Ophelia
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by Deedlebugs
from what I understand, it really isn't US policy. Let me see if I can find a source (don't worry it will be a legitimate source)
On a side note, I wish Obama would put this much thought and effort into our borders...Just sayin...
it's ok love, I just did some research and it seems like that has been a theme with us for a long time, corroborating the idea that it was our largely unspoken belief. Wikipedia has a pretty interesting history of it (though other sources can and should be used)
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Bxgell2
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Re: Obama calls for Israel's return to pre-1967 borders
Posted by Shelly
People say it can't happen here in America- but I don't believe that. There is so much hatred towards Jews that I believe it is only a matter of time. I am glad to know that should anything happen, I have a home in Israel.
EXACTLY. There is a tremendous resurgence of anti-semitism not only here, but all over the world. I think the existence of a State in which I and my family can take refuge should anything like the holocaust occur again, is why the safe existence of Israel is so important to me, and to most jews. I wonder what in the world would have happened to my MIL, who, at 5 years old, was the sole survivor from her family when the war ended, without the existence of Israel. It took 5 years, but eventually Israel collected all of the lost orphans of the holocaust, and raised them in boarding homes for children of the holocaust all throughout Israel. I have no doubt she wouldn't be alive today, nor my husband, nor my children, without Israel in existence. That is why I hold it so closely to my heart, and why it is one of the highest political priorities for me when I vote.
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