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jgl
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
I teach first grade and im not sure what that question is asking. Maybe if i saw the example. The math curriculum is insane for first grade and what makes me so mad is we spend one day and move on to a different strategy.... Who thinks 6 yr olds wil get something that quickly? I thought things would get better when we switched from everyday math, but no.
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by jgl
I teach first grade and im not sure what that question is asking. Maybe if i saw the example. The math curriculum is insane for first grade and what makes me so mad is we spend one day and move on to a different strategy.... Who thinks 6 yr olds wil get something that quickly? I thought things would get better when we switched from everyday math, but no.
We have EM now and are switching to Math in Focus and I can't wait. EM is the worst! I can't get my kids to remember what they did an hour ago, let alone that they learned how to tell time to the hour 4 months ago, and now we are learning telling time to the half. I have to re-teach every lesson, so a lesson takes me multiple days. I can't wait until its gone!
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LIMomma
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OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
We have Go Math and I believe the 100 parents who showed up for the meeting on the Math program told the district where this Math can really go. My 4th grader who does well with school cries through hrs of homework because although it might show them different strategies there is no logic that makes it click and OH this makes sense, it also gives them so many of them that how they came up with the answer today will not be correct tomorrow. It really is a disservice to the kids.
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Michelle1123
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
This looks like the strange homework questions we get home daily. Makes no sense! It makes simple math so much more difficult. My daughter knows addition and subtraction and can do it with up to 3 digitl numbers, but the wording on these homework sheets frustrates her (and confuses me)
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by mommy0604
Posted by katiebell
Say you picked the number 5 so the problem would be 9+5, but the strategy is to make ten to add, so it would be 10+4=14.
Their thinking is its easier to add 10 to a number so you just take one away from the other side to make 10...same when they teach the double plus 1, doubles are easy to remember, so when adding 5+6 you should think 5+5=10, so one more is 11.
Thanks.
We picked 7 so it would be:
10+6 =16
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7+9=16
Yes, exactly what katiebell said, and you are right I also teach 1st grade and this is similar to the program we have to teach. Very frustrating for kids and teachers (and I'm sure parents too!) I use the strategy of adding 10's as an adult (for example if I needed to quickly add 24 +30, I'd just say 20+30=50 and 4 more is 54, etc) but they are 6! I always say it's like teaching them to run before they can walk!
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by mommy0604
Ok this is driving me a little nuts. I think I figured out the answer but I just wanted to get some feedback from you guys.
Here is the mat problem:
Pick 1 number from the box. The choices are 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9
Use words, numbers, or pictures to tell how you would make a 10 to add 9 to the number you picked.
Then write 2 addition sentences.
10 + _____ = _____
_____ + 9 = _____
DS picked 7 and I helped him figure out the addition sentences. We came up with :
10 + 6 = 16
7 + 9 = 16
Is this right?
I think you're right. I teach hs math and this had me scratching my head for a minute. When I forget the question and ask myself what 7+9 is, I do exactly what you did. 10+6=16 so 9+7=16.
I'm pretty sure I learned this strategy by simply having to solve a few hundred addition problems, not because I was forced to used it and explain it in words or steps! I wish they would just do a ton of rote practice and if a student is struggling and needs help developing a strategy then help them with ONE that works for them. Every student should not be forced to learn every strategy. Also, these strategies are supposed to be something kids do in their head to make it easier, not something they should have to every put into words! That defeats the purpose of them making the math EASIER!
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
i misread it 
Message edited 1/12/2013 11:02:52 AM.
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headoverheels
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
This makes me want to homeschool. How ridiculous that this is the "math" being taught these days.
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| Posted 1/12/13 11:07 AM |
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MrsT809
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by katiebell
Posted by mommy0604
Posted by katiebell
Say you picked the number 5 so the problem would be 9+5, but the strategy is to make ten to add, so it would be 10+4=14.
Their thinking is its easier to add 10 to a number so you just take one away from the other side to make 10...same when they teach the double plus 1, doubles are easy to remember, so when adding 5+6 you should think 5+5=10, so one more is 11.
Thanks.
We picked 7 so it would be:
10+6 =16
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7+9=16
I teach 1st grade in va, we teach the different strategies, but I would never give it to them for homework!! It's just supposed to teach the students different ways to add and to help with their number sense! My parents would be sending me emails all night long if I sent that home for homework!! I just send regular problems and the students can use any strategy they learned! Good luck!!
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MrsM9703
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
I think you are correct, also.
My DS is also in 1st grade and doing these type of word problems, and I find them so confusing! I majored in math in college, and can barely help my 6 year old do his homework - something is wrong with this picture!
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mrsboss
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OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
This is how they are teaching math now?? This is ridiculous. I understand why parents home school
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InShock
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by katiebell
Say you picked the number 5 so the problem would be 9+5, but the strategy is to make ten to add, so it would be 10+4=14.
Their thinking is its easier to add 10 to a number so you just take one away from the other side to make 10...same when they teach the double plus 1, doubles are easy to remember, so when adding 5+6 you should think 5+5=10, so one more is 11.
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InShock
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
I don't get why people are bringing up home schooling over this.  I mean, yes, it's a bit confusing, but the idea is to give kids a *strategy* for adding. The idea is to develop a conceptual understanding of addition outside of straight memorization. It works for some kids and attempts to help deepen/broaden their understanding.
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StarsStripes
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by InShock
I don't get why people are bringing up home schooling over this. I mean, yes, it's a bit confusing, but the idea is to give kids a *strategy* for adding. The idea is to develop a conceptual understanding of addition outside of straight memorization. It works for some kids and attempts to help deepen/broaden their understanding.
I totally get what you are saying. But as someone who was terrible at math growing up I think that when you have strategies that are even above the heads of the parents it isn't helping anyone! Math is not a one size fits all, what works for one kid, does not work for another kid. I do not know the answer at all. IDK I am no math expert but I can tell you that when my DC is in first grade I am screwed if this is how the math problems are lol 
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by InShock
I don't get why people are bringing up home schooling over this. I mean, yes, it's a bit confusing, but the idea is to give kids a *strategy* for adding. The idea is to develop a conceptual understanding of addition outside of straight memorization. It works for some kids and attempts to help deepen/broaden their understanding.
I get what you're saying and agree to an extent. My issues are with the following: First graders shouldn't have to write out these steps or even have to be able to put them into words. Second, no student should have to master every strategy. Lastly, they shouldn't be dictating which strategy the kids use for a given problem.
Let the teacher describe different ways to solve the problem and then the kids can go with what makes sense to them. They should also be letting kids develop and share their own strategies and help them do that. Kids shouldn't have to show in writing how they solved it but I think they should be encouraged to explain it in words if they can, which I think is asking a lot for many first graders.
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jgl
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by InShock
I don't get why people are bringing up home schooling over this. I mean, yes, it's a bit confusing, but the idea is to give kids a *strategy* for adding. The idea is to develop a conceptual understanding of addition outside of straight memorization. It works for some kids and attempts to help deepen/broaden their understanding.
I get what you're saying and agree to an extent. My issues are with the following: First graders shouldn't have to write out these steps or even have to be able to put them into words. Second, no student should have to master every strategy. Lastly, they shouldn't be dictating which strategy the kids use for a given problem.
Let the teacher describe different ways to solve the problem and then the kids can go with what makes sense to them. They should also be letting kids develop and share their own strategies and help them do that. Kids shouldn't have to show in writing how they solved it but I think they should be encouraged to explain it in words if they can, which I think is asking a lot for many first graders.
I agree and I do not think a lot of these strategies are developmentally appropriate for first graders
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by jgl
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by InShock
I don't get why people are bringing up home schooling over this. I mean, yes, it's a bit confusing, but the idea is to give kids a *strategy* for adding. The idea is to develop a conceptual understanding of addition outside of straight memorization. It works for some kids and attempts to help deepen/broaden their understanding.
I get what you're saying and agree to an extent. My issues are with the following: First graders shouldn't have to write out these steps or even have to be able to put them into words. Second, no student should have to master every strategy. Lastly, they shouldn't be dictating which strategy the kids use for a given problem.
Let the teacher describe different ways to solve the problem and then the kids can go with what makes sense to them. They should also be letting kids develop and share their own strategies and help them do that. Kids shouldn't have to show in writing how they solved it but I think they should be encouraged to explain it in words if they can, which I think is asking a lot for many first graders.
I agree and I do not think a lot of these strategies are not developmentally appropriate for first graders
I agree 100% with both of you.
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by StarsStripes
Posted by jgl
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by InShock
I don't get why people are bringing up home schooling over this. I mean, yes, it's a bit confusing, but the idea is to give kids a *strategy* for adding. The idea is to develop a conceptual understanding of addition outside of straight memorization. It works for some kids and attempts to help deepen/broaden their understanding.
I get what you're saying and agree to an extent. My issues are with the following: First graders shouldn't have to write out these steps or even have to be able to put them into words. Second, no student should have to master every strategy. Lastly, they shouldn't be dictating which strategy the kids use for a given problem.
Let the teacher describe different ways to solve the problem and then the kids can go with what makes sense to them. They should also be letting kids develop and share their own strategies and help them do that. Kids shouldn't have to show in writing how they solved it but I think they should be encouraged to explain it in words if they can, which I think is asking a lot for many first graders.
I agree and I do not think a lot of these strategies are not developmentally appropriate for first graders
I agree 100% with both of you.
Exactly my point. I completely understand the concept of teaching strategies as opposed to rite math but if WE are having problems with this how can we expect 6 year olds to understand this language and phrasing?
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by StarsStripes
Posted by jgl
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by InShock
I don't get why people are bringing up home schooling over this. I mean, yes, it's a bit confusing, but the idea is to give kids a *strategy* for adding. The idea is to develop a conceptual understanding of addition outside of straight memorization. It works for some kids and attempts to help deepen/broaden their understanding.
I get what you're saying and agree to an extent. My issues are with the following: First graders shouldn't have to write out these steps or even have to be able to put them into words. Second, no student should have to master every strategy. Lastly, they shouldn't be dictating which strategy the kids use for a given problem.
Let the teacher describe different ways to solve the problem and then the kids can go with what makes sense to them. They should also be letting kids develop and share their own strategies and help them do that. Kids shouldn't have to show in writing how they solved it but I think they should be encouraged to explain it in words if they can, which I think is asking a lot for many first graders.
I agree and I do not think a lot of these strategies are not developmentally appropriate for first graders
I agree 100% with both of you.
Exactly my point. I completely understand the concept of teaching strategies as opposed to rite math but if WE are having problems with this how can we expect 6 year olds to understand this language and phrasing?
That is my issue as well. Especially students who struggle with language, ELL learners, ASD students, students with learning disabilities....math should be something where they have an opportunity to be successful, but the language processing skills needed to so this type of math are really advanced.
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by mommy0604
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how I despise Go math.
These word problems are freaking insane! It's no longer just 2 + 2 = 4. Oh no, now that simple equation has turned into a complicated word problem.
Yes, exactly. I dont remember 1st grade being this difficult. OMG..I am so scared for my son when he enters school 
Oh, btw, I have no clue how to answer this question..
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jgl
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by rsquared
Posted by headoverheels
Posted by StarsStripes
Posted by jgl
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by InShock
I don't get why people are bringing up home schooling over this. I mean, yes, it's a bit confusing, but the idea is to give kids a *strategy* for adding. The idea is to develop a conceptual understanding of addition outside of straight memorization. It works for some kids and attempts to help deepen/broaden their understanding.
I get what you're saying and agree to an extent. My issues are with the following: First graders shouldn't have to write out these steps or even have to be able to put them into words. Second, no student should have to master every strategy. Lastly, they shouldn't be dictating which strategy the kids use for a given problem.
Let the teacher describe different ways to solve the problem and then the kids can go with what makes sense to them. They should also be letting kids develop and share their own strategies and help them do that. Kids shouldn't have to show in writing how they solved it but I think they should be encouraged to explain it in words if they can, which I think is asking a lot for many first graders.
I agree and I do not think a lot of these strategies are not developmentally appropriate for first graders
I agree 100% with both of you.
Exactly my point. I completely understand the concept of teaching strategies as opposed to rite math but if WE are having problems with this how can we expect 6 year olds to understand this language and phrasing?
That is my issue as well. Especially students who struggle with language, ELL learners, ASD students, students with learning disabilities....math should be something where they have an opportunity to be successful, but the language processing skills needed to so this type of math are really advanced.
It makes it so hard. I have 31 first graders. 20 of them are beginner to intermediate ell's. 4 are AIS, 1 holdover and 1 is a selective mute.... Ahhhh makes me want to cry teaching this
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Posted by katiebell
Say you picked the number 5 so the problem would be 9+5, but the strategy is to make ten to add, so it would be 10+4=14.
Their thinking is its easier to add 10 to a number so you just take one away from the other side to make 10...same when they teach the double plus 1, doubles are easy to remember, so when adding 5+6 you should think 5+5=10, so one more is 11.
This is it. I have these problems in DS 1st grade class.
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OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Just so everyone knows, these types of strategies are EXPECTED for first graders to know. They go along with the new Common Core Standards. So, no, math is no longer 9 + 7 = 16. Even if that's the way we were taught back in the day, kids are expected to know a lot more nowadays. My third graders are expected to know the Distributive Property. (4x6) = (4x2) + (4x4) or 4(2+4). That is insanely hard for 8 year olds!!!! But such is the math curriculum now.
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
I loved math- it was my best subject. And now I'm afraid I won't be able to help my son when he gets to first grade. That sucks.
After the explanations, I think I'm getting what the point is, but could this maybe be part of the reason our kids keep falling farther behind other countries in math? It seems that while we are tying to, what, give kids more strategies to find the answers, we are making it more difficult than it needs to be. JMO.
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KarenG2003
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Re: OK I need some help again with a First Grade Math Problem
Welcome to the "Common Core"! Gone are the days when you were able to help your children with their homework! I teach 5th grade, and I seriously have to teach myself the lessons before I teach my students.....and most times, I don't understand them myself! I've never felt so dumb! My colleagues and I sit there trying to teach ourselves, and we're DUMBFOUNDED! It's awful, and it's made me despise the career I worked so hard to prepare for. This all came about because college professors complained that students weren't coming prepared for college. They said that students were not understanding the reasoning behind things.....all they know are procedures (think "carrying the one" when adding....it's not really a one, its a TEN.)  Please....I could go on and on about this. We're really not supposed to teach the kids anymore, either, believe it or not! We are now supposed to be "facilitators" and the students are supposed to be teaching each other. Lately I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone when I go to work.
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