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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
It seems that many are not getting the booster, or the vaccine itself, so bring on a new variant to scare people.
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by Diane
It seems that many are not getting the booster, or the vaccine itself, so bring on a new variant to scare people.
Or maybe since over 90% of adults in NY have at least one dose they need something to continue to give $$ to big pharma.
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
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Posted by Diane
It seems that many are not getting the booster, or the vaccine itself, so bring on a new variant to scare people.
Or maybe since over 90% of adults in NY have at least one dose they need something to continue to give $$ to big pharma.
True but what happens when you don’t get the vaccine and not protected from the virus? Now they are scaring you with this to get the booster and yes, continue making big money. Sad and people are falling for this.
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klingklang77
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by ali120206
Posted by Diane
It seems that many are not getting the booster, or the vaccine itself, so bring on a new variant to scare people.
Or maybe since over 90% of adults in NY have at least one dose they need something to continue to give $$ to big pharma.
True but what happens when you don’t get the vaccine and not protected from the virus? Now they are scaring you with this to get the booster and yes, continue making big money. Sad and people are falling for this.
Why do you care so much? Just go and live a normal life as you always say. I don’t really see you living a normal life as you comment on how people are not living their normal lives and are “scared.”
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by ali120206
Posted by Diane
It seems that many are not getting the booster, or the vaccine itself, so bring on a new variant to scare people.
Or maybe since over 90% of adults in NY have at least one dose they need something to continue to give $$ to big pharma.
True but what happens when you don’t get the vaccine and not protected from the virus? Now they are scaring you with this to get the booster and yes, continue making big money. Sad and people are falling for this.
Why do you care so much? Just go and live a normal life as you always say. I don’t really see you living a normal life as you comment on how people are not living their normal lives and are “scared.”
I have friends and family members who will be affected by all of this so that’s why I care. Will they be forced to get the booster like they were forced to get vaccinated before?
I care because I would be affected if we would have to shut down again as Hochul has put out a state of emergency.
Just because many are living as normal as they can, doesn’t mean things might not affect them out of their control.
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klingklang77
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by ali120206
Posted by Diane
It seems that many are not getting the booster, or the vaccine itself, so bring on a new variant to scare people.
Or maybe since over 90% of adults in NY have at least one dose they need something to continue to give $$ to big pharma.
True but what happens when you don’t get the vaccine and not protected from the virus? Now they are scaring you with this to get the booster and yes, continue making big money. Sad and people are falling for this.
Why do you care so much? Just go and live a normal life as you always say. I don’t really see you living a normal life as you comment on how people are not living their normal lives and are “scared.”
I have friends and family members who will be affected by all of this so that’s why I care. Will they be forced to get the booster like they were forced to get vaccinated before?
I care because I would be affected if we would have to shut down again as Hochul has put out a state of emergency.
Just because many are living as normal as they can, doesn’t mean things might not affect them out of their control.
So you only care for your own reasons- my family, my friends, me, blah, blah?
Typical.
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by ali120206
Posted by Diane
It seems that many are not getting the booster, or the vaccine itself, so bring on a new variant to scare people.
Or maybe since over 90% of adults in NY have at least one dose they need something to continue to give $$ to big pharma.
True but what happens when you don’t get the vaccine and not protected from the virus? Now they are scaring you with this to get the booster and yes, continue making big money. Sad and people are falling for this.
Why do you care so much? Just go and live a normal life as you always say. I don’t really see you living a normal life as you comment on how people are not living their normal lives and are “scared.”
I have friends and family members who will be affected by all of this so that’s why I care. Will they be forced to get the booster like they were forced to get vaccinated before?
I care because I would be affected if we would have to shut down again as Hochul has put out a state of emergency.
Just because many are living as normal as they can, doesn’t mean things might not affect them out of their control.
So you only care for your own reasons- my family, my friends, me, blah, blah?
Typical.
You know this makes no sense what you are saying and just trying to attack me.
I am concerned over other people besides just myself as it could affect everyone if they lock down again.
Also If most people don’t get the booster, they are back to square one and not vaccinated so that affects everyone.
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klingklang77
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by ali120206
Posted by Diane
It seems that many are not getting the booster, or the vaccine itself, so bring on a new variant to scare people.
Or maybe since over 90% of adults in NY have at least one dose they need something to continue to give $$ to big pharma.
True but what happens when you don’t get the vaccine and not protected from the virus? Now they are scaring you with this to get the booster and yes, continue making big money. Sad and people are falling for this.
Why do you care so much? Just go and live a normal life as you always say. I don’t really see you living a normal life as you comment on how people are not living their normal lives and are “scared.”
I have friends and family members who will be affected by all of this so that’s why I care. Will they be forced to get the booster like they were forced to get vaccinated before?
I care because I would be affected if we would have to shut down again as Hochul has put out a state of emergency.
Just because many are living as normal as they can, doesn’t mean things might not affect them out of their control.
So you only care for your own reasons- my family, my friends, me, blah, blah?
Typical.
You know this makes no sense what you are saying and just trying to attack me.
I am concerned over other people besides just myself as it could affect everyone if they lock down again.
Also If most people don’t get the booster, they are back to square one and not vaccinated so that affects everyone.
Not attacking you, so stop with the ‘poor me’ replies.
A main problem is that people didn’t get vaccinated in the first place. Then people stopped wearing masks. Didn’t you say you didn’t see many with masks and life was back to normal? Didn’t you say you don’t wear a mask?
What do you propose as a solution? From what I understand, you just want to live life normally. That won’t work. So what’s your solution?
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lpg21
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by ali120206
Posted by Diane
It seems that many are not getting the booster, or the vaccine itself, so bring on a new variant to scare people.
Or maybe since over 90% of adults in NY have at least one dose they need something to continue to give $$ to big pharma.
Agree with this. They are going to keep requiring boosters every 6 months to a year and I know the mandate for the kids is coming.
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itsbabytime
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by ali120206
Posted by Diane
It seems that many are not getting the booster, or the vaccine itself, so bring on a new variant to scare people.
Or maybe since over 90% of adults in NY have at least one dose they need something to continue to give $$ to big pharma.
True but what happens when you don’t get the vaccine and not protected from the virus? Now they are scaring you with this to get the booster and yes, continue making big money. Sad and people are falling for this.
Why do you care so much? Just go and live a normal life as you always say. I don’t really see you living a normal life as you comment on how people are not living their normal lives and are “scared.”
I have friends and family members who will be affected by all of this so that’s why I care. Will they be forced to get the booster like they were forced to get vaccinated before?
I care because I would be affected if we would have to shut down again as Hochul has put out a state of emergency.
Just because many are living as normal as they can, doesn’t mean things might not affect them out of their control.
So you only care for your own reasons- my family, my friends, me, blah, blah?
Typical.
You know this makes no sense what you are saying and just trying to attack me.
I am concerned over other people besides just myself as it could affect everyone if they lock down again.
Also If most people don’t get the booster, they are back to square one and not vaccinated so that affects everyone.
Not attacking you, so stop with the ‘poor me’ replies.
A main problem is that people didn’t get vaccinated in the first place. Then people stopped wearing masks. Didn’t you say you didn’t see many with masks and life was back to normal? Didn’t you say you don’t wear a mask?
What do you propose as a solution? From what I understand, you just want to live life normally. That won’t work. So what’s your solution?
The main problem is that people didn’t get vaccinated? Can you please explain to me how this makes any possible sense given the facts. The fact is that we have MORE covid cases THIS November when last November when there were NO vaccines. The fact is that vaccinated people are all getting covid and are getting sick and are spreading covid. The fact is some is the most highly vaccinated areas have the highest covid cases.
The main problem is that we are fighting this pandemic by mandating a vaccine that doesn’t work and that the people are being told that it does and are living accordingly. The more people are vaccinated and think they are immune and are not the more it is spreading. The main problem is the vaccine that doesn’t work. Every outbreak in my area has been amongst vaccinated people and their kids!
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ali120206
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by ali120206
Posted by Diane
It seems that many are not getting the booster, or the vaccine itself, so bring on a new variant to scare people.
Or maybe since over 90% of adults in NY have at least one dose they need something to continue to give $$ to big pharma.
True but what happens when you don’t get the vaccine and not protected from the virus? Now they are scaring you with this to get the booster and yes, continue making big money. Sad and people are falling for this.
Why do you care so much? Just go and live a normal life as you always say. I don’t really see you living a normal life as you comment on how people are not living their normal lives and are “scared.”
I have friends and family members who will be affected by all of this so that’s why I care. Will they be forced to get the booster like they were forced to get vaccinated before?
I care because I would be affected if we would have to shut down again as Hochul has put out a state of emergency.
Just because many are living as normal as they can, doesn’t mean things might not affect them out of their control.
So you only care for your own reasons- my family, my friends, me, blah, blah?
Typical.
You know this makes no sense what you are saying and just trying to attack me.
I am concerned over other people besides just myself as it could affect everyone if they lock down again.
Also If most people don’t get the booster, they are back to square one and not vaccinated so that affects everyone.
Not attacking you, so stop with the ‘poor me’ replies.
A main problem is that people didn’t get vaccinated in the first place. Then people stopped wearing masks. Didn’t you say you didn’t see many with masks and life was back to normal? Didn’t you say you don’t wear a mask?
What do you propose as a solution? From what I understand, you just want to live life normally. That won’t work. So what’s your solution?
The main problem is that people didn’t get vaccinated? Can you please explain to me how this makes any possible sense given the facts. The fact is that we have MORE covid cases THIS November when last November when there were NO vaccines. The fact is that vaccinated people are all getting covid and are getting sick and are spreading covid. The fact is some is the most highly vaccinated areas have the highest covid cases.
The main problem is that we are fighting this pandemic by mandating a vaccine that doesn’t work and that the people are being told that it does and are living accordingly. The more people are vaccinated and think they are immune and are not the more it is spreading. The main problem is the vaccine that doesn’t work. Every outbreak in my area has been amongst vaccinated people and their kids!
We have extremely high vaccination rates. The vaccination works as originally thought (minimizing symptoms) but somewhere along the way the messaging got changed that you were immune from Covid if vaccinated. And the answer to everything is get vaccinated - including combatting this new variant which is vaccine resistant.
Covid isn’t going away so we need to learn to live with it without insighting fear… Thankfully it seems that Omicron isn’t that serious (but if you don’t find that info you think it’s worse than the original by the way the media is portraying.
ETA - it will also continue to evolve in areas of low vaccination rates. It really means nothing even if the US reaches 100% vaccination rates if other countries don’t and still travel here.
Message edited 11/27/2021 10:38:23 PM.
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itsbabytime
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by ali120206
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by ali120206
Posted by Diane
It seems that many are not getting the booster, or the vaccine itself, so bring on a new variant to scare people.
Or maybe since over 90% of adults in NY have at least one dose they need something to continue to give $$ to big pharma.
True but what happens when you don’t get the vaccine and not protected from the virus? Now they are scaring you with this to get the booster and yes, continue making big money. Sad and people are falling for this.
Why do you care so much? Just go and live a normal life as you always say. I don’t really see you living a normal life as you comment on how people are not living their normal lives and are “scared.”
I have friends and family members who will be affected by all of this so that’s why I care. Will they be forced to get the booster like they were forced to get vaccinated before?
I care because I would be affected if we would have to shut down again as Hochul has put out a state of emergency.
Just because many are living as normal as they can, doesn’t mean things might not affect them out of their control.
So you only care for your own reasons- my family, my friends, me, blah, blah?
Typical.
You know this makes no sense what you are saying and just trying to attack me.
I am concerned over other people besides just myself as it could affect everyone if they lock down again.
Also If most people don’t get the booster, they are back to square one and not vaccinated so that affects everyone.
Not attacking you, so stop with the ‘poor me’ replies.
A main problem is that people didn’t get vaccinated in the first place. Then people stopped wearing masks. Didn’t you say you didn’t see many with masks and life was back to normal? Didn’t you say you don’t wear a mask?
What do you propose as a solution? From what I understand, you just want to live life normally. That won’t work. So what’s your solution?
The main problem is that people didn’t get vaccinated? Can you please explain to me how this makes any possible sense given the facts. The fact is that we have MORE covid cases THIS November when last November when there were NO vaccines. The fact is that vaccinated people are all getting covid and are getting sick and are spreading covid. The fact is some is the most highly vaccinated areas have the highest covid cases.
The main problem is that we are fighting this pandemic by mandating a vaccine that doesn’t work and that the people are being told that it does and are living accordingly. The more people are vaccinated and think they are immune and are not the more it is spreading. The main problem is the vaccine that doesn’t work. Every outbreak in my area has been amongst vaccinated people and their kids!
We have extremely high vaccination rates. The vaccination works as originally thought (minimizing symptoms) but somewhere along the way the messaging got changed that you were immune from Covid if vaccinated. And the answer to everything is get vaccinated - including combatting this new variant which is vaccine resistant.
Covid isn’t going away so we need to learn to live with it without insighting fear… Thankfully it seems that Omicron isn’t that serious (but if you don’t find that info you think it’s worse than the original by the way the media is portraying.
ETA - it will also continue to evolve in areas of low vaccination rates. It really means nothing even if the US reaches 100% vaccination rates if other countries don’t and still travel here.
Actually that isn’t correct. When the vaccine was first approved for emergency use everyone was told that it was something over 90 percent effective that you wouldn’t get or spread covid. I know many many people that were first on line as soon as they could get the shot because they were told even by their doctors that they wouldn’t get covid. That was one hundred percent what everyone was told. Israel declared victory and we celebrated with fireworks that we beat covid with 70 percent plus of the population vaccinated that wouldn’t get covid. Then months went by and vaccinated people started getting covid and in Israel who was first had a huge outbreak and every month that passed there were more and more vaccinated people getting covid until in May the cdc said they would no longer count vaccinated cases unless they led to hospitalisation or death (and only if you are admitted, the vaccinated cases at urgent care or those that go to the hospital just to get antibody infusion treatment are NOT counted still to this day yet every single unvaccinated case is counted and the numbers compared - see how that makes sense?) .then it was announced that the vaccine immunity wanes significantly every month that passes as confirmed by vaccinated people having no antibodies in blood work. First it was 8 months then 6 months and now after 3 months that vaccine immunity wanes. Then the messaging changed to it just reduces symptoms. So all that said if we all agree that is the purpose of the vaccine - to reduce symptoms (which I’m not sure I’m seeing anyway), then how exactly is that going to stop people from getting and spreading covid? It’s not. This vaccine isn’t the answer. This booster isn’t the answer (I already know people with the booster who have covid). Hopefully some day soon there will be a vaccine or treatment that will be the answer. But for now let’s keep blaming the unvaccinated small minority that is getting smaller by the day as their rights are being taken a way. Because clearly it must be the fault of the 10 percent. Not the 90 percent that are carrying around their vaccine card like a badge of honor when some got the vaccine almost a year ago and likely have no immunity at all. The way Biden and Hochul are handling this pandemic is completely nonsensical and should make everyone afraid.
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klingklang77
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by ali120206
Posted by Diane
It seems that many are not getting the booster, or the vaccine itself, so bring on a new variant to scare people.
Or maybe since over 90% of adults in NY have at least one dose they need something to continue to give $$ to big pharma.
True but what happens when you don’t get the vaccine and not protected from the virus? Now they are scaring you with this to get the booster and yes, continue making big money. Sad and people are falling for this.
Why do you care so much? Just go and live a normal life as you always say. I don’t really see you living a normal life as you comment on how people are not living their normal lives and are “scared.”
I have friends and family members who will be affected by all of this so that’s why I care. Will they be forced to get the booster like they were forced to get vaccinated before?
I care because I would be affected if we would have to shut down again as Hochul has put out a state of emergency.
Just because many are living as normal as they can, doesn’t mean things might not affect them out of their control.
So you only care for your own reasons- my family, my friends, me, blah, blah?
Typical.
You know this makes no sense what you are saying and just trying to attack me.
I am concerned over other people besides just myself as it could affect everyone if they lock down again.
Also If most people don’t get the booster, they are back to square one and not vaccinated so that affects everyone.
Not attacking you, so stop with the ‘poor me’ replies.
A main problem is that people didn’t get vaccinated in the first place. Then people stopped wearing masks. Didn’t you say you didn’t see many with masks and life was back to normal? Didn’t you say you don’t wear a mask?
What do you propose as a solution? From what I understand, you just want to live life normally. That won’t work. So what’s your solution?
The main problem is that people didn’t get vaccinated? Can you please explain to me how this makes any possible sense given the facts. The fact is that we have MORE covid cases THIS November when last November when there were NO vaccines. The fact is that vaccinated people are all getting covid and are getting sick and are spreading covid. The fact is some is the most highly vaccinated areas have the highest covid cases.
The main problem is that we are fighting this pandemic by mandating a vaccine that doesn’t work and that the people are being told that it does and are living accordingly. The more people are vaccinated and think they are immune and are not the more it is spreading. The main problem is the vaccine that doesn’t work. Every outbreak in my area has been amongst vaccinated people and their kids!
I didn’t say ‘the main problem.’ I said ‘a main problem.’ I’m vaccinated and I don’t think I’m immune and I never did. The vaccine does reduce chances of hospitalization and death. Most people here in the hospital are unvaccinated. They are taking up hospital beds and the health care system is very strained here. In one of my classes alone, all of the unvaccinated got sick (I have a record of who is vaccinated and who is not because the unvaccinated must take a test three times a week).
In the US the numbers are going up. What is your solution?
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klingklang77
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by itsbabytime
Israel declared victory and we celebrated with fireworks that we beat covid with 70 percent plus of the population vaccinated that wouldn’t get covid. Then months went by and vaccinated people started getting covid and in Israel […] But for now let’s keep blaming the unvaccinated small minority that is getting smaller by the day as their rights are being taken a way.
Israel denied vaccines to their Palestinian population. That’s taking away rights. The unvaccinated aren’t having their rights taken away in a PUBLIC health crisis.
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KarenK122
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by itsbabytime
Israel declared victory and we celebrated with fireworks that we beat covid with 70 percent plus of the population vaccinated that wouldn’t get covid. Then months went by and vaccinated people started getting covid and in Israel […] But for now let’s keep blaming the unvaccinated small minority that is getting smaller by the day as their rights are being taken a way.
Israel denied vaccines to their Palestinian population. That’s taking away rights. The unvaccinated aren’t having their rights taken away in a PUBLIC health crisis.
If the shot made people immune from Covid and stopped transmission then I would agree with you. The shot does nothing but lessen the symptoms and some people never got any symptoms to begin with or were very mild. Getting vaccinated only helps yourself so it should not be mandated by anyone or any public entity to be taken.
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itsbabytime
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by itsbabytime
Israel declared victory and we celebrated with fireworks that we beat covid with 70 percent plus of the population vaccinated that wouldn’t get covid. Then months went by and vaccinated people started getting covid and in Israel […] But for now let’s keep blaming the unvaccinated small minority that is getting smaller by the day as their rights are being taken a way.
Israel denied vaccines to their Palestinian population. That’s taking away rights. The unvaccinated aren’t having their rights taken away in a PUBLIC health crisis.
If the shot made people immune from Covid and stopped transmission then I would agree with you. The shot does nothing but lessen the symptoms and some people never got any symptoms to begin with or were very mild. Getting vaccinated only helps yourself so it should not be mandated by anyone or any public entity to be taken.
This. One hundred percent.
Saying you need to be vaccinated to go to a restaurant or a concert is one thing (which I don’t agree with either) but mandating it for someone to WORK in the only job they are qualified for and need to live and support themselves is taking away rights. And pointing to the public health crises we’ll guess what, mandatory lockdowns and shutting down everything will accomplish stopping the public health crisis a lot more than vaccines so I guess you are ok with that too. You can’t convince me that this vaccine mandate is ending the pandemic in any way shape or form that justifies taking away people’s right to work or go to school. If it worked to eradicate the illness I would feel differently.
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klingklang77
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by itsbabytime
Israel declared victory and we celebrated with fireworks that we beat covid with 70 percent plus of the population vaccinated that wouldn’t get covid. Then months went by and vaccinated people started getting covid and in Israel […] But for now let’s keep blaming the unvaccinated small minority that is getting smaller by the day as their rights are being taken a way.
Israel denied vaccines to their Palestinian population. That’s taking away rights. The unvaccinated aren’t having their rights taken away in a PUBLIC health crisis.
If the shot made people immune from Covid and stopped transmission then I would agree with you. The shot does nothing but lessen the symptoms and some people never got any symptoms to begin with or were very mild. Getting vaccinated only helps yourself so it should not be mandated by anyone or any public entity to be taken.
Well, I didn’t really mention mandating the vaccine. The best thing the vaccine is doing is lessening the symptoms. I consider that a plus in my book. It is helping to get back to normal life, IMO. At least it did for me.
I haven’t seen a better solution yet.
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ali120206
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by itsbabytime
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by itsbabytime
Israel declared victory and we celebrated with fireworks that we beat covid with 70 percent plus of the population vaccinated that wouldn’t get covid. Then months went by and vaccinated people started getting covid and in Israel […] But for now let’s keep blaming the unvaccinated small minority that is getting smaller by the day as their rights are being taken a way.
Israel denied vaccines to their Palestinian population. That’s taking away rights. The unvaccinated aren’t having their rights taken away in a PUBLIC health crisis.
If the shot made people immune from Covid and stopped transmission then I would agree with you. The shot does nothing but lessen the symptoms and some people never got any symptoms to begin with or were very mild. Getting vaccinated only helps yourself so it should not be mandated by anyone or any public entity to be taken.
This. One hundred percent.
Saying you need to be vaccinated to go to a restaurant or a concert is one thing (which I don’t agree with either) but mandating it for someone to WORK in the only job they are qualified for and need to live and support themselves is taking away rights. And pointing to the public health crises we’ll guess what, mandatory lockdowns and shutting down everything will accomplish stopping the public health crisis a lot more than vaccines so I guess you are ok with that too. You can’t convince me that this vaccine mandate is ending the pandemic in any way shape or form that justifies taking away people’s right to work or go to school. If it worked to eradicate the illness I would feel differently.
I totally agree with this. A vaccine mandate is just causing unnecessary chaos at this point. If it did eradicate Covid I’m sure those who are not getting the vaccine would be more willing to get it.
I get that it’s new and evolving but the solutions being proposed make no sense.
As to your other point about the efficacy of the vaccine - I thought it was based on severe illness but I am probably wrong. There has been so much back and forth and mixed messaging.
I am very scared as to how Hochul feels this pandemic should be handled (and Biden just scares me period).
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| Posted 11/28/21 12:39 PM |
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
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It seems that many are not getting the booster, or the vaccine itself, so bring on a new variant to scare people.
Or maybe since over 90% of adults in NY have at least one dose they need something to continue to give $$ to big pharma.
True but what happens when you don’t get the vaccine and not protected from the virus? Now they are scaring you with this to get the booster and yes, continue making big money. Sad and people are falling for this.
Why do you care so much? Just go and live a normal life as you always say. I don’t really see you living a normal life as you comment on how people are not living their normal lives and are “scared.”
I have friends and family members who will be affected by all of this so that’s why I care. Will they be forced to get the booster like they were forced to get vaccinated before?
I care because I would be affected if we would have to shut down again as Hochul has put out a state of emergency.
Just because many are living as normal as they can, doesn’t mean things might not affect them out of their control.
So you only care for your own reasons- my family, my friends, me, blah, blah?
Typical.
You know this makes no sense what you are saying and just trying to attack me.
I am concerned over other people besides just myself as it could affect everyone if they lock down again.
Also If most people don’t get the booster, they are back to square one and not vaccinated so that affects everyone.
Not attacking you, so stop with the ‘poor me’ replies.
A main problem is that people didn’t get vaccinated in the first place. Then people stopped wearing masks. Didn’t you say you didn’t see many with masks and life was back to normal? Didn’t you say you don’t wear a mask?
What do you propose as a solution? From what I understand, you just want to live life normally. That won’t work. So what’s your solution?
The main problem is that people didn’t get vaccinated? Can you please explain to me how this makes any possible sense given the facts. The fact is that we have MORE covid cases THIS November when last November when there were NO vaccines. The fact is that vaccinated people are all getting covid and are getting sick and are spreading covid. The fact is some is the most highly vaccinated areas have the highest covid cases.
The main problem is that we are fighting this pandemic by mandating a vaccine that doesn’t work and that the people are being told that it does and are living accordingly. The more people are vaccinated and think they are immune and are not the more it is spreading. The main problem is the vaccine that doesn’t work. Every outbreak in my area has been amongst vaccinated people and their kids!
We have extremely high vaccination rates. The vaccination works as originally thought (minimizing symptoms) but somewhere along the way the messaging got changed that you were immune from Covid if vaccinated. And the answer to everything is get vaccinated - including combatting this new variant which is vaccine resistant.
Covid isn’t going away so we need to learn to live with it without insighting fear… Thankfully it seems that Omicron isn’t that serious (but if you don’t find that info you think it’s worse than the original by the way the media is portraying.
ETA - it will also continue to evolve in areas of low vaccination rates. It really means nothing even if the US reaches 100% vaccination rates if other countries don’t and still travel here.
The new variant has not yet been determined to be vaccine resistant. More data is necessary.
Covid isn’t going anywhere and like you said global low vaccination rates are the problem. If wealthy countries would help other countries in their vaccine efforts, we’d be better off.
The media get paid per click so they have sensational headlines about the new variant. Every epidemiologist I follow says it is stop soon to know if this variant will outcompete delta and even if it does that does not mean that it will be “worse” in terms of symptoms.
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
The vaccine is a potential preventative treatment. Nothing more. Which is still good if you want it. But I agree with itsbabytime above. It was originally sold to us as something completely different than what it is. They said to trust the science but then the science changed multiple times during the year. Because since they rushed it without proper testing, they just did not know. People don’t want to hear it but it is what it is. This vaccine was made to combat a version of the virus that no longer exists. Yet they double down and triple down because they want people to FEEL safe. If they cared, they would focus on treatments. There is NOTHING so far to indicate that Omicron is more lethal. It may be more transmissible but symptoms may be so mild that it doesn’t matter. Yet they push the fear and the lockdown anyway. They do NOT want this to end, ever.
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
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Israel declared victory and we celebrated with fireworks that we beat covid with 70 percent plus of the population vaccinated that wouldn’t get covid. Then months went by and vaccinated people started getting covid and in Israel […] But for now let’s keep blaming the unvaccinated small minority that is getting smaller by the day as their rights are being taken a way.
Israel denied vaccines to their Palestinian population. That’s taking away rights. The unvaccinated aren’t having their rights taken away in a PUBLIC health crisis.
If the shot made people immune from Covid and stopped transmission then I would agree with you. The shot does nothing but lessen the symptoms and some people never got any symptoms to begin with or were very mild. Getting vaccinated only helps yourself so it should not be mandated by anyone or any public entity to be taken.
I haven’t seen a better solution yet.
Yes! That is exactly the point! It’s time for our leaders to step up and say - this isn’t working!!!! Stop mandating which leads to profiting something that is not working. Demand the pharmaceutical companies come up with a more effective and safer vaccine before mandates. Don’t approve something that doesn’t work. Step up and demand better. We are almost two years out. A vaccine was rushed to market instead of taking the time to perfect it. I’m glad to finally see some treatments in the works but it’s not enough! It’s time to say enough is enough! We need change. If they mandate this vaccine for k-12 at this point and we go along with it, it’s just pure insanity that has won out. We need change.
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| Posted 11/28/21 12:54 PM |
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
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Israel declared victory and we celebrated with fireworks that we beat covid with 70 percent plus of the population vaccinated that wouldn’t get covid. Then months went by and vaccinated people started getting covid and in Israel […] But for now let’s keep blaming the unvaccinated small minority that is getting smaller by the day as their rights are being taken a way.
Israel denied vaccines to their Palestinian population. That’s taking away rights. The unvaccinated aren’t having their rights taken away in a PUBLIC health crisis.
If the shot made people immune from Covid and stopped transmission then I would agree with you. The shot does nothing but lessen the symptoms and some people never got any symptoms to begin with or were very mild. Getting vaccinated only helps yourself so it should not be mandated by anyone or any public entity to be taken.
I haven’t seen a better solution yet.
Yes! That is exactly the point! It’s time for our leaders to step up and say - this isn’t working!!!! Stop mandating which leads to profiting something that is not working. Demand the pharmaceutical companies come up with a more effective and safer vaccine before mandates. Don’t approve something that doesn’t work. Step up and demand better. We are almost two years out. A vaccine was rushed to market instead of taking the time to perfect it. They know exactly what is causing myocarditis but they aren’t being mandated or given any incentive to fix it! I’m glad to finally see some treatments in the works but it’s not enough! It’s time to say enough is enough! We need change. If they mandate this vaccine for k-12 at this point and we go along with it, it’s just pure insanity that has won out. We need change.
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by itsbabytime
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Posted by windyweather21
Posted by ali120206
Posted by Diane
It seems that many are not getting the booster, or the vaccine itself, so bring on a new variant to scare people.
Or maybe since over 90% of adults in NY have at least one dose they need something to continue to give $$ to big pharma.
True but what happens when you don’t get the vaccine and not protected from the virus? Now they are scaring you with this to get the booster and yes, continue making big money. Sad and people are falling for this.
Why do you care so much? Just go and live a normal life as you always say. I don’t really see you living a normal life as you comment on how people are not living their normal lives and are “scared.”
I have friends and family members who will be affected by all of this so that’s why I care. Will they be forced to get the booster like they were forced to get vaccinated before?
I care because I would be affected if we would have to shut down again as Hochul has put out a state of emergency.
Just because many are living as normal as they can, doesn’t mean things might not affect them out of their control.
So you only care for your own reasons- my family, my friends, me, blah, blah?
Typical.
You know this makes no sense what you are saying and just trying to attack me.
I am concerned over other people besides just myself as it could affect everyone if they lock down again.
Also If most people don’t get the booster, they are back to square one and not vaccinated so that affects everyone.
Not attacking you, so stop with the ‘poor me’ replies.
A main problem is that people didn’t get vaccinated in the first place. Then people stopped wearing masks. Didn’t you say you didn’t see many with masks and life was back to normal? Didn’t you say you don’t wear a mask?
What do you propose as a solution? From what I understand, you just want to live life normally. That won’t work. So what’s your solution?
The main problem is that people didn’t get vaccinated? Can you please explain to me how this makes any possible sense given the facts. The fact is that we have MORE covid cases THIS November when last November when there were NO vaccines. The fact is that vaccinated people are all getting covid and are getting sick and are spreading covid. The fact is some is the most highly vaccinated areas have the highest covid cases.
The main problem is that we are fighting this pandemic by mandating a vaccine that doesn’t work and that the people are being told that it does and are living accordingly. The more people are vaccinated and think they are immune and are not the more it is spreading. The main problem is the vaccine that doesn’t work. Every outbreak in my area has been amongst vaccinated people and their kids!
We have extremely high vaccination rates. The vaccination works as originally thought (minimizing symptoms) but somewhere along the way the messaging got changed that you were immune from Covid if vaccinated. And the answer to everything is get vaccinated - including combatting this new variant which is vaccine resistant.
Covid isn’t going away so we need to learn to live with it without insighting fear… Thankfully it seems that Omicron isn’t that serious (but if you don’t find that info you think it’s worse than the original by the way the media is portraying.
ETA - it will also continue to evolve in areas of low vaccination rates. It really means nothing even if the US reaches 100% vaccination rates if other countries don’t and still travel here.
Actually that isn’t correct. When the vaccine was first approved for emergency use everyone was told that it was something over 90 percent effective that you wouldn’t get or spread covid. I know many many people that were first on line as soon as they could get the shot because they were told even by their doctors that they wouldn’t get covid. That was one hundred percent what everyone was told. Israel declared victory and we celebrated with fireworks that we beat covid with 70 percent plus of the population vaccinated that wouldn’t get covid. Then months went by and vaccinated people started getting covid and in Israel who was first had a huge outbreak and every month that passed there were more and more vaccinated people getting covid until in May the cdc said they would no longer count vaccinated cases unless they led to hospitalisation or death (and only if you are admitted, the vaccinated cases at urgent care or those that go to the hospital just to get antibody infusion treatment are NOT counted still to this day yet every single unvaccinated case is counted and the numbers compared - see how that makes sense?) .then it was announced that the vaccine immunity wanes significantly every month that passes as confirmed by vaccinated people having no antibodies in blood work. First it was 8 months then 6 months and now after 3 months that vaccine immunity wanes. Then the messaging changed to it just reduces symptoms. So all that said if we all agree that is the purpose of the vaccine - to reduce symptoms (which I’m not sure I’m seeing anyway), then how exactly is that going to stop people from getting and spreading covid? It’s not. This vaccine isn’t the answer. This booster isn’t the answer (I already know people with the booster who have covid). Hopefully some day soon there will be a vaccine or treatment that will be the answer. But for now let’s keep blaming the unvaccinated small minority that is getting smaller by the day as their rights are being taken a way. Because clearly it must be the fault of the 10 percent. Not the 90 percent that are carrying around their vaccine card like a badge of honor when some got the vaccine almost a year ago and likely have no immunity at all. The way Biden and Hochul are handling this pandemic is completely nonsensical and should make everyone afraid.
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by NervousNell
Whatever. I don't even pay attention anymore.
This. I don’t care. My only fear is what type of insane, unhinged reaction the people with power might have. At this point I’m far more afraid of our tyrant leaders.
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ali120206
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Re: Omicron - just in time for the holidays
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by itsbabytime
Israel declared victory and we celebrated with fireworks that we beat covid with 70 percent plus of the population vaccinated that wouldn’t get covid. Then months went by and vaccinated people started getting covid and in Israel […] But for now let’s keep blaming the unvaccinated small minority that is getting smaller by the day as their rights are being taken a way.
Israel denied vaccines to their Palestinian population. That’s taking away rights. The unvaccinated aren’t having their rights taken away in a PUBLIC health crisis.
If the shot made people immune from Covid and stopped transmission then I would agree with you. The shot does nothing but lessen the symptoms and some people never got any symptoms to begin with or were very mild. Getting vaccinated only helps yourself so it should not be mandated by anyone or any public entity to be taken.
Well, I didn’t really mention mandating the vaccine. The best thing the vaccine is doing is lessening the symptoms. I consider that a plus in my book. It is helping to get back to normal life, IMO. At least it did for me.
I haven’t seen a better solution yet.
I think we should work on analyzing data and seeing where there are large numbers of cases and see how that aligns with positive cases - this past fall, towns in my area with low vaccination rates had high positivity. Now that it’s gotten colder - things seem to be evening out as the higher vaccinated areas are rising while the lower are falling.
We should focus on vaccinating in areas with low rates and with people who are high risk as it minimizes severity.
We should also work on improving testing - they are giving the same tests and haven’t made many improvements.
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