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Palin's Troopergate Investigation, do you feel it should

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Palin's Troopergate Investigation, do you feel it should

Yes, we're all sick of the election posts. I have to say this infuriates me that a previously authorized investigation is going to be delayed until after the Election. How dare 10 state employees refuse to testify under a legislative supoena!

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Troopergate probe appears to be unraveling
ANCHORAGE, Alaska - The abuse-of-power investigation of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin was unraveling Wednesday, with most key witnesses refusing to testify, new legal maneuvering and heightened Republican pressure to delay the probe until after Election Day.

Palin initially welcomed the investigation, saying "hold me accountable," but she has increasingly opposed it since Republican presidential candidate John McCain tapped her as his vice presidential running mate.

In a reversal of position, a key Democratic lawmaker said Wednesday he may convene the committee that is conducting the investigation into whether Palin dismissed her public safety commissioner when he would not fire a state trooper involved in a bitter divorce with her sister.

Some Republican members of the committee have asked for such a meeting, to consider delaying the probe or replacing Democratic state Sen. Hollis French as its manager. The investigation's conclusions are supposed to be released by Oct. 10. The Legislative Council, made up of 10 Republicans and four Democrats, had unanimously approved launching the probe.

A lawyer for five Alaska Republican legislators suing for a delay of the investigation known as Troopergate said he will wait — but not too long — to see what the Legislative Council, a joint bipartisan oversight panel, does before asking a judge for an injunction.

The chairman of the council, Democratic state Sen. Kim Elton, said he would poll other council members on whether to meet.

Elton had previously refused to call such a meeting before panel investigator Steven Branchflower issued his report. In a letter Wednesday to House Speaker John Harris, Elton said circumstances had changed.

He said the situation had become so politicized it was difficult to imagine it could get any worse. Elton said he used to fear that any debate without a report would be "run through the prism of presidential politics and focus on motives." But now, he added, the debate is "taking place through press conferences and lawsuits."

Elton also sent a letter to Attorney General Talis Colberg, a Republican appointed by Palin, who on Tuesday said he would refuse to allow 10 subpoenaed state employees to testify, despite assurances from Colberg's staff last week that they would testify if certain interpretations of state law were agreed upon.

Contending the deal had been broken, Elton said, "Bluntly, I feel like Charlie Brown after Lucie moved the football."

The McCain campaign said on Monday that Palin, who was not subpoenaed, was unlikely to cooperate.

One of the witnesses summoned last week, former Palin legislative director John Bitney, said he testified Tuesday, but wouldn't say what he revealed. He said he spoke only of his seven-month tenure with the Palin administration that ended in July 2007.

"I spoke on what happened during the time I was employed there, and I told the truth," said Bitney.

Bitney said he felt he didn't have a choice. "If I had a publicly funded attorney telling me I didn't have to honor the subpoena, it might have been different."

The two remaining witnesses subpoenaed are Todd Palin, the governor's husband, who was traveling with his wife in Ohio and Michigan, and Murlene Wilkes, a state contractor.

Ignoring a legislative subpoena is punishable by a fine up to $500 and up to six months in jail, according to Alaska state statutes.

Harris, who two months ago supported the investigation, also now questions its impartiality and raised the possibility of delaying the findings, which would obviously be limited if virtually none of the key witnesses testified.

While appearing to waver, Elton also said delaying the report until after the election would "inflame debate about whether the council was taking a political position."

Kevin Clarkson, lawyer for the Republican lawmakers, said Wednesday that he would wait to see whether the council meets before seeking an injunction to force the issue. "But we're not going to wait too long," he said.

Meanwhile, Alaska Senate President Lyda Green, a Republican, said she does not believe the investigation will collapse or be delayed by "outside interlopers" trying to protect Palin.

"I see no reason why we need to have infighting over a previously authorized investigation that still has its original purpose," said Green, a Palin critic.

She said the attempt to block the investigation will lead to closer scrutiny of how Palin and her administration's stories have changed.

"Go back and compare all the statements of everybody in charge: 'We'll be happy to testify, we don't need any subpoenas, we don't have anything to hide.' Now the implication is, 'We have something to hide,'" Green said.

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Associated Press Writer Steve Quinn contributed to this report
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Posted 9/18/08 6:15 AM
 

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That is so outrageous. I'd say I'm surprised, but I'm not. What has happened to the rule of law in this country? Human rights and privacy rights have been trampled, the voting process, now this? Chat Icon

Posted 9/18/08 6:30 AM
 

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Re: Palin's Troopergate Investigation, do you feel it should

I think ANY potential overuse of power by ANY political person needs to be investigated. Before a campaign, in the middle of a campaign or after a campaign.

I see no exception in her case.

Posted 9/18/08 7:37 AM
 

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just my $.02, but how would you feel if your BIL tasered your nephew and was drinking and driving his squad car?

don't you think he DESERVES to get fired? and of his boss refuses, there is something fundamentally WRONG with that? Chat Icon

Posted 9/18/08 7:54 AM
 

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Re: Palin's Troopergate Investigation, do you feel it should

Posted by SweetestOfPeas

just my $.02, but how would you feel if your BIL tasered your nephew and was drinking and driving his squad car?

don't you think he DESERVES to get fired? and of his boss refuses, there is something fundamentally WRONG with that? Chat Icon



Yes, but I see nothing wrong with an investigation since there "may" be a conflict of interest.

Posted 9/18/08 8:12 AM
 

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Re: Palin's Troopergate Investigation, do you feel it should

It should go forward. This makes me suspicious actually. If she truly did nothing wrong, why the delay?

Posted 9/18/08 8:59 AM
 

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Re: Palin's Troopergate Investigation, do you feel it should

I think this is definitely an abuse of power. If someone else was in the same predicament the case would go on. Having a judge say that you do not have to show up for a subpoena (sp?) is ridiculous just bc you are running for an election. As voters if something is wrong shouldnt we have the right to know before the election and not find out after the fact.

Posted 9/18/08 9:08 AM
 

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Posted 9/18/08 9:28 AM
 

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Re: Palin's Troopergate Investigation, do you feel it should

Posted by SweetestOfPeas

just my $.02, but how would you feel if your BIL tasered your nephew and was drinking and driving his squad car?

don't you think he DESERVES to get fired? and of his boss refuses, there is something fundamentally WRONG with that? Chat Icon



then THAT too should be brought to light even during in the election.

I can't even believe this is an issue! what is wrong with people!!!!!! why do we live our lives with blinders on!

Message edited 9/18/2008 9:54:48 AM.

Posted 9/18/08 9:53 AM
 

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Re: Palin's Troopergate Investigation, do you feel it should

Posted by Ophelia

Posted by SweetestOfPeas

just my $.02, but how would you feel if your BIL tasered your nephew and was drinking and driving his squad car?

don't you think he DESERVES to get fired? and of his boss refuses, there is something fundamentally WRONG with that? Chat Icon



then THAT too should be brought to light even during in the election.

I can't even believe this is an issue! what is wrong with people!!!!!! why do we live our lives with blinders on!



Of course it SHOULD be brought to light, but the media doesn't discuss the fact that he tasered his 11 year old step-son and drove after drinking while on the job. If those aren't causes for termination, I don't know what are.

Do I think the investigation should continue? Sure...Do I agree with anyone abusing their power? Absolutely not!
But the problem is the media wants to crucify this woman so they are using anything and everything they can and were "conveniently" planning to release their finding just days before election day.

IMO, that's an abuse of power in it's own right.

Posted 9/18/08 10:05 AM
 

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Posted by Jessica511

Of course it SHOULD be brought to light, but the media doesn't discuss the fact that he tasered his 11 year old step-son and drove after drinking while on the job. If those aren't causes for termination, I don't know what are.

Do I think the investigation should continue? Sure...Do I agree with anyone abusing their power? Absolutely not!
But the problem is the media wants to crucify this woman so they are using anything and everything they can and were "conveniently" planning to release their finding just days before election day.

IMO, that's an abuse of power in it's own right.



is there any information on this driving and tasering thing? I've never heard of it.

does anyone know the actual positioning of this guy? was he chief of the state police? a direct underling of hers? I'd be curious to know that.

the media is doing what it thinks its mandate is. she's the new kid on the block, so she is getting her closets exacavated and then some.

honestly, she is getting so much sympathy from people for these "attacks" that it should matter much.

regardless, there is no way in hell this thing should be set to the side. what happens if she gets elected and IS in fact, a power abuser? then what? we spend millions of dollars impeaching her (if that's what you do to a VP...I don't even know to be honest)

Posted 9/18/08 10:14 AM
 

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Re: Palin's Troopergate Investigation, do you feel it should

Posted by SweetestOfPeas

just my $.02, but how would you feel if your BIL tasered your nephew and was drinking and driving his squad car?

don't you think he DESERVES to get fired? and of his boss refuses, there is something fundamentally WRONG with that? Chat Icon



Yes I do think they would to deserve to be fired, which is why I think it should be investigated. Either she should be cleared or prosecuted. I want answers BEFORE the election.

One of my brother-in-laws is a complete POS but that doesn't give me the right if I was governor to have him fired from his job.

Posted 9/18/08 10:19 AM
 

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Re: Palin's Troopergate Investigation, do you feel it should

Posted by Jessica511

Posted by Ophelia

Posted by SweetestOfPeas

just my $.02, but how would you feel if your BIL tasered your nephew and was drinking and driving his squad car?

don't you think he DESERVES to get fired? and of his boss refuses, there is something fundamentally WRONG with that? Chat Icon



then THAT too should be brought to light even during in the election.

I can't even believe this is an issue! what is wrong with people!!!!!! why do we live our lives with blinders on!



Of course it SHOULD be brought to light, but the media doesn't discuss the fact that he tasered his 11 year old step-son and drove after drinking while on the job. If those aren't causes for termination, I don't know what are.

Do I think the investigation should continue? Sure...Do I agree with anyone abusing their power? Absolutely not!
But the problem is the media wants to crucify this woman so they are using anything and everything they can and were "conveniently" planning to release their finding just days before election day.

IMO, that's an abuse of power in it's own right.



Actually, I read about the tasering (word?) and drunk driving several times in the liberal New York Times. I was inclined to agree that he should have been fired, and Palin did nothing wrong from those accounts.

But why delay this investigation if she did nothing wrong? The delay in itself is an abuse of power if none occurred previously.

And while I do think some media are against her, some are for her. Fox is in love with her from the bit I've seen. The Charlie Gibson interview was tough, but fair IMO, and she skewered herself there. So the media work both in her favor and against. Part of the reason for the huge amount of coverage she has received is that she is so new and unknown to so many people. Joe Biden, John McCain, and even Obama are all old news at this point--Sarah is the new face.

Posted 9/18/08 10:19 AM
 

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Re: Palin's Troopergate Investigation, do you feel it should

Posted by SweetestOfPeas

just my $.02, but how would you feel if your BIL tasered your nephew and was drinking and driving his squad car?

don't you think he DESERVES to get fired? and of his boss refuses, there is something fundamentally WRONG with that? Chat Icon




That may be true. if so, there should be an investigation to clear her name. If she did wrong, the voters should know about it. If she wasn't wrong, she should clear her name before the election.

Posted 9/18/08 10:19 AM
 

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Re: Palin's Troopergate Investigation, do you feel it should

Posted by cjik

It should go forward. This makes me suspicious actually. If she truly did nothing wrong, why the delay?




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Posted 9/18/08 10:20 AM
 

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Posted by Ophelia

is there any information on this driving and tasering thing? I've never heard of it.

does anyone know the actual positioning of this guy? was he chief of the state police? a direct underling of hers? I'd be curious to know that.

the media is doing what it thinks its mandate is. she's the new kid on the block, so she is getting her closets exacavated and then some.

honestly, she is getting so much sympathy from people for these "attacks" that it should matter much.

regardless, there is no way in hell this thing should be set to the side. what happens if she gets elected and IS in fact, a power abuser? then what? we spend millions of dollars impeaching her (if that's what you do to a VP...I don't even know to be honest)



This is from the Washington Post:

He was found to have violated state policy for using a Taser on his 10-year-old son, killing a moose while using his wife's permit, drinking a beer before driving a state vehicle and having an open beer can in the vehicle.

Wooten acknowledged the moose and the Taser incidents but denied that he ever drank beer in a patrol vehicle. The initial investigation sustained the first two incidents but not the third, said John Cyr, the trooper's union representative, who listened in on The Post's interview. The colonel in charge of the troopers later sustained the allegation, and Wooten served a five-day suspension.

Wooten said he deeply regretted the Taser incident, offering an extensive explanation. He said the device was set on "test" and contained less power than an electric fence. Wooten said he shocked boy using clips attached to his shirt and not darts fired from the gun.

He said his stepson became curious and wanted to feel the Taser in the same way that troopers tested the device on themselves during training.

"He was inquiring about the Taser and all the ins and outs about it," Wooten said. "I hooked him up to one of the training aides and turned it on for less than a second. I had him on the living room floor with pillows around him and made it as safe as possible. When it was over he thought it was great and wanted to do it all again. He was bragging about it and telling everyone in the family about it."

Jon Marc Peterson, one of Wooten's attorneys, said the Taser incident was a violation of policy because he was using state equipment for personal use. "It was not the actual Tasing of the stepson that was the issue," he said.

Wooten's wife was in the home at the time, investigative reports state. The boy's extended family, including Chuck Heath, the father of Sarah Palin, thought the story was humorous, Wooten said.

"If I had it to do over again, I wouldn't do it," Wooten said. "It's one of those situations that nobody cared about. Everybody laughed about it, until several years later and it was made to be something it wasn't. It wasn't a good idea."

Wooten said he wishes he could turn back the clock. "I was a young guy, a trooper fresh out of the military, made some bad choices, made some mistakes and paid my penance," Wooten said. "I have not made any more mistakes and I definitely have not repeated my mistakes."


Posted 9/18/08 10:20 AM
 

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One of my brother-in-laws is a complete POS but that doesn't give me the right if I was governor to have him fired from his job.



this is exactly why I'd like to know the hierarchy of it all.

if he wasn't in her direct line of command...or even close indirect...it IS an abuse of power for her to overstep HIS superiors to fire him. end of story.

that would be like the President firing me b/c I bumped into one of his daughters at the bar, and threw a beer on her. Chat Icon

technically he is my boss of all bosses, but in the grand scheme....my superiors would have to find my actions worthy of termination.

Posted 9/18/08 10:21 AM
 

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Posted by Ophelia
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that would be like the President firing me b/c I bumped into one of his daughters at the bar, and threw a beer on her. Chat Icon
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Oh he hasn't forgotten about that incident. I heard you were being sent away on a "special assignment".

Posted 9/18/08 10:25 AM
 

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Re: Palin's Troopergate Investigation, do you feel it should

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so wait, the tasing incident happened YEARS ago??? years before the firing? BEFORE Palin was even governor (and NOT his "boss")

and the drinking charges were NOT substantiated?

what wt eff? with the moose? Chat Icon Chat Icon

so basically she used known family events against him when he was no longer a welcome member of the family. interesting.

Posted 9/18/08 10:25 AM
 

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Posted by nrthshgrl





so wait, the tasing incident happened YEARS ago??? years before the firing? BEFORE Palin was even governor (and NOT his "boss")

and the drinking charges were NOT substantiated?

what wt eff? with the moose? Chat Icon Chat Icon

so basically she used known family events against him when he was no longer a welcome member of the family. interesting.



I don't know the timeline of it all - which is one reason why I'd like to see it investigated. She may be innocent.

What I do know is she should have recused herself from any decisions or pressure to fire her BIL. If she didn't, I'd want to know about it.

For Pete's sake I'm division chairperson of a soccer league. When I found out my POS BIL was a coach in my division, I told the President of the league I needed to be in another division or BIL needed to be moved to another division because I couldn't be his chairperson. It's not about getting along with ex-family members, it's about knowing enough about yourself & your feelings to realize that you cannot be impartial.

And that's something I think voters should know about a potential VP of the US - no matter what the outcome of the investigation is. The fact that it was already being investigated & is now being delayed is what bothers me.

Posted 9/18/08 10:42 AM
 

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Re: Palin's Troopergate Investigation, do you feel it should

i think that she filed a number of complaints against her BIL before she was governor and before she was even a candidate for governor. i raise bc i think it is relevant that she was engaged in the "situation" before taking a position of power. i know that doesn't make it okay if she behaved improperly once she was in that position (and if it is found she did, then there shuld be repurcussions)... but i think it is important background

there was an investigation into the troopers conduct and i believe he was disciiplined. i think there was a report involved with that investigation and i am trying to find it online. i would love to see the timeline of some of these incidences in an official document. if i find it i will post.

as for the original question -- i think there should be an investigation. i don't think anyone -- the R's, the D's, or the media -- should be able to manipulate the situation to their advantage to further their own candidacy or the one that they favor. It should be fair, objective, and impartial. It should be about the facts. i don't believe in delaying the investigation, but i do have a concern that the investigation would be done by legislators who all clearly have a political affiliation and motivation.

this whole election leaves me disappointed with partisanship on both sides and in the media. I want the facts. I don't want anybody's spin on the facts. i want the opportunity to form my own opinions... i don't feel like we get that and it makes me sad.

Posted 9/18/08 3:41 PM
 

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Posted by mka06

this whole election leaves me disappointed with partisanship on both sides and in the media. I want the facts. I don't want anybody's spin on the facts. i want the opportunity to form my own opinions... i don't feel like we get that and it makes me sad.



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Posted 9/18/08 3:43 PM
 

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Re: Palin's Troopergate Investigation, do you feel it should

Posted by SweetestOfPeas

just my $.02, but how would you feel if your BIL tasered your nephew and was drinking and driving his squad car?

don't you think he DESERVES to get fired? and of his boss refuses, there is something fundamentally WRONG with that? Chat Icon

Chat Icon Chat Icon

THANK YOU!!! It's infuriating to read these responses!!!

the man harmed a 10 year old BOY!!! He should be fired!!!! Are you kidding me!!!!

Posted 9/18/08 4:14 PM
 

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Posted by Linda1003

Posted by SweetestOfPeas

just my $.02, but how would you feel if your BIL tasered your nephew and was drinking and driving his squad car?

don't you think he DESERVES to get fired? and of his boss refuses, there is something fundamentally WRONG with that? Chat Icon

Chat Icon Chat Icon

THANK YOU!!! It's infuriating to read these responses!!!

the man harmed a 10 year old BOY!!! He should be fired!!!! Are you kidding me!!!!



oy vey!

the question is NOT whether or not he should have been fired...it's whether or not it was in the scope of HER power to do it.

I can't with these overly emotionally and charged responses. it has nothing to do with the issue at hand!

Posted 9/18/08 4:18 PM
 

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Re: Palin's Troopergate Investigation, do you feel it should

Posted by Jessica511

Posted by Ophelia

Posted by SweetestOfPeas

just my $.02, but how would you feel if your BIL tasered your nephew and was drinking and driving his squad car?

don't you think he DESERVES to get fired? and of his boss refuses, there is something fundamentally WRONG with that? Chat Icon



then THAT too should be brought to light even during in the election.

I can't even believe this is an issue! what is wrong with people!!!!!! why do we live our lives with blinders on!



Of course it SHOULD be brought to light, but the media doesn't discuss the fact that he tasered his 11 year old step-son and drove after drinking while on the job. If those aren't causes for termination, I don't know what are.

Do I think the investigation should continue? Sure...Do I agree with anyone abusing their power? Absolutely not!
But the problem is the media wants to crucify this woman so they are using anything and everything they can and were "conveniently" planning to release their finding just days before election day.

IMO, that's an abuse of power in it's own right.



I believe he was already punished for the tasering and drinking incident.... he never denied it, he completed his suspnsion. since then, he's been warned that if he does something else, he could be terminated. his case has been closed on this point.

the troopergate controversy stems from the fact that upon entering office, palin is accused of either directly or indirectly (through other people) pressuring his commanders to re-open the case (which they are not allowed to do once it's closed) and fire wooten.

It's a straight forward investigation of a possible abuse of power.... and began BEFORE SHE WAS NOMINATED. IMO, it shouldn't be halted just becuase her reputation is now more important. She agreed to participate fully in this investigation a week or 2 ago, and should stay true to her word instead of backing out as she did.

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