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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Posted by Blu-ize
It's manipulation pure and simple.
Women will go wherever they can to have abortions. Shame that the government is in my uterus.
True, and abortion rates are lower now than 10 years ago, probably because there isn't as much stigma with being a teen or single mother. So the lowering abortion idea is phooey, it is an excuse to make people guilty. Male idea no doubt.
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Posted by Babymakin
I will admit I'm pro choice before responding.
This is an attack on women.
This is an attack on women's rights.
This is an attack on medical care.
Women are second class citizens and it makes Ill.
I'm tired of the GOVERNMENTtelling me what medical procedure I can or can't have.
It's not of your business.
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Posted by MandJZ
I'll throw my hat in the ring for this one.
While I hear what people are saying regarding the usefulness of this procedure, it is not the government's place to determine that - it is between a doctor and a patient to decide which procedures are MEDICALLY necessary. Pregnant women choose procedures like amnios and other testing with advice and counsel from their doctors, not the government. This is an invasive medical procedure that the government is FORCING on women, for the sole purpose of shaming them, not because it is medically necessary for their health (OR the health of the unborn child). If an ultrasound is required, let the doctor decide. Old white men sitting in a building somewhere have no right to tell me or any other woman what medical procedures I MUST have. This coming at the same time as the proposal of bills allowing employers to opt out of providing birth control coverage in their benefits package is just too much. It is all, together, an attack on women's rights and IMO is threatening to send this country back decades.
Well said... and I agree!
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Interesting replies.
I will say this.
I want the government to stay out of my bed, my uterus, and my vagina.
I want birth control as an option in pill form and any other device.
I never want them to mandate I get an Hpv vaccine either
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
I'm pro-choice
I highly disagree with it.
I think manipulation is definitely the right word.
Do we really need to badger people who clearly aren't ready/don't want to be parents to do this? Making that person feel lower than dirt is going to accomplish nothing in my opinion.
Definitely not the answer.
Spend the money it costs to do a sonogram elsewhere
How about legislation that mandates sex education workshops in high school and provides young women with birth control options?
How about passing some legislation that will reduce the cost of the birth control for everybody?
I realize there is planned parenthood, but not everyone qualifies for it and $50 a month for BC is highway robbery in my book...
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jilliibabii
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Honestly, I am pro-choice, avidly so, but this doesn't bother me the way it seems to bother everyone else. Is it ethically and morally RIGHT? Probably not, but I think many women do use abortions as the ONLY type of birth control and do so lightly. Maybe seeing and really KNOWING what you're doing will have an impact on your decision, not only now to have an abortion, but to be more careful in the future to avoid a situation like this. But, I don't think it is morally sound, and I don't think it should be passed.
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Bearcat
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Posted by jilliibabii
Honestly, I am pro-choice, avidly so, but this doesn't bother me the way it seems to bother everyone else. Is it ethically and morally RIGHT? Probably not, but I think many women do use abortions as the ONLY type of birth control and do so lightly. Maybe seeing and really KNOWING what you're doing will have an impact on your decision, not only now to have an abortion, but to be more careful in the future to avoid a situation like this. But, I don't think it is morally sound, and I don't think it should be passed.
This is pretty much where i stand on this as well. I don't think it's something that warrants outrage, but it's probably not the best means to an end.
Also FTR I would describe myself as pro-choice but not avidly so (like this here poster that I'm quoting  )
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Posted by MandJZ
I'll throw my hat in the ring for this one.
While I hear what people are saying regarding the usefulness of this procedure, it is not the government's place to determine that - it is between a doctor and a patient to decide which procedures are MEDICALLY necessary. .
ETA: I am pro choice
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
What I don't understand is some people want to remain child free. Sometimes accidents happen. What's worse? an abortion or trying to convince a woman to have a child she doesn't want?
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Diane
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Posted by Chai77
I think it's a disgusting law. It hope it's found unconstitutional. To force someone to get a vaginal sonogram and to look? sounds like Clockwork Orange to me.
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
I'm mostly pro-life (I think that there are exceptions with every rule). I can see blurred lines with this rule. For the most part though, I don't really think it's that bad. I think that abortion is a serious decision to make, and I think in any serious decision, there has to be an awareness of all of the factors involved.
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
There is no Thought Police on here...that's some Orwellian room 101 stuff. You can say what you're thinking - there are no real consequences to it except that internet strangers won't agree with you....and they don't have to. But if people have a differing opinion there's no reason to not voice it.
On a serious note, all of this horrifies me.
I think a lot of people operate on the assumption that an abortion is easy for women to deal with. Forcing them to do this making this even more traumatizing.
This also sets up some scary precedents.
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
I'm pro choice and I thought it was common practice for medical reasons to have the us before terminating the pregnancy. They just don't force the mother to look at the screen.
Forgot to add. Im against forcing a woman to look at the us
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eroxgirl
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
This ENRAGES ME.
This is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong! FORCING someone to look at a sonogram? Are you EFFFFFING KIDDING ME????
You make women jump through hoops for birth control but old men can get their Viagra for free because God forbid a man can't get it up on their own - taxpayers have to pay for that. But women have to pay for their own birth control and if they happen to have an unplanned pregnancy that they choose to terminate they're going to be FORCED to look at the sonogram? I can't get over how narrow minded this is... I'm sorry but these men in Washington who come up with this BULLLLLLSHITTT don't give a damn about those babies. They don't care about the women carrying them either.
Somebody please tell me where the hell I live because I THOUGHT it was The United States of America - the land of the FREE.
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GioiaMia
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
I am pro Life and this makes me sick to my stomach. . . if it is legal, it is legal and thats the end of it - counseling, education is fine but this. . . is disturbing to me.
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Posted by eroxgirl
This ENRAGES ME.
This is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong! FORCING someone to look at a sonogram? Are you EFFFFFING KIDDING ME????
You make women jump through hoops for birth control but old men can get their Viagra for free because God forbid a man can't get it up on their own - taxpayers have to pay for that. But women have to pay for their own birth control and if they happen to have an unplanned pregnancy that they choose to terminate they're going to be FORCED to look at the sonogram? I can't get over how narrow minded this is... I'm sorry but these men in Washington who come up with this BULLLLLLSHITTT don't give a damn about those babies. They don't care about the women carrying them either.
Somebody please tell me where the hell I live because I THOUGHT it was The United States of America - the land of the FREE.
 well said.
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Posted by eroxgirl
This ENRAGES ME.
This is wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong! FORCING someone to look at a sonogram? Are you EFFFFFING KIDDING ME????
You make women jump through hoops for birth control but old men can get their Viagra for free because God forbid a man can't get it up on their own - taxpayers have to pay for that. But women have to pay for their own birth control and if they happen to have an unplanned pregnancy that they choose to terminate they're going to be FORCED to look at the sonogram? I can't get over how narrow minded this is... I'm sorry but these men in Washington who come up with this BULLLLLLSHITTT don't give a damn about those babies. They don't care about the women carrying them either.
Somebody please tell me where the hell I live because I THOUGHT it was The United States of America - the land of the FREE.
AMEN!!!!!
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BunnyWife
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Greatest country in the world, right??  The way women and minorities are treated in this country makes me embarrassed to be an US citizen.
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MrsC614
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Posted by MandJZ
I'll throw my hat in the ring for this one.
While I hear what people are saying regarding the usefulness of this procedure, it is not the government's place to determine that - it is between a doctor and a patient to decide which procedures are MEDICALLY necessary. Pregnant women choose procedures like amnios and other testing with advice and counsel from their doctors, not the government. This is an invasive medical procedure that the government is FORCING on women, for the sole purpose of shaming them, not because it is medically necessary for their health (OR the health of the unborn child). If an ultrasound is required, let the doctor decide. Old white men sitting in a building somewhere have no right to tell me or any other woman what medical procedures I MUST have. This coming at the same time as the proposal of bills allowing employers to opt out of providing birth control coverage in their benefits package is just too much. It is all, together, an attack on women's rights and IMO is threatening to send this country back decades.
1. an ulltrasound, whether abdominal or intravaginal is a NON INVASIVE procedure. an amnio is INVASIVE, and an abortion is INVASIVE. in my opinion, being a medical professional for 13 years, you SHOULD have an ultrasound to confirm intrauterine placement BEFORE some idiot doctor does a D N C without one, and lands you infertile because of it.
2. i don't read it as the government shaming women. I see it as the government trying to reduce the amount of abortions by making women understand what they are doing before they abort their child. why would it be so bad if a woman changed her mind afterwards and realized that she should keep her baby or give it up for adoption. and maybe if women (and mostly teenagers in this category) will understand that abortion is not birth control. i cant tell you how many pregnant teens we see who say so easily " well i will just get an abortion" and not understanding that it's a little baby and not just a bunch of "cells".
I respect your opinion, i completely do, my main reason to respond was to clarify that an ultrasound is not an invasive procedure.
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MandJZ
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Posted by MrsC614
Posted by MandJZ
I'll throw my hat in the ring for this one.
While I hear what people are saying regarding the usefulness of this procedure, it is not the government's place to determine that - it is between a doctor and a patient to decide which procedures are MEDICALLY necessary. Pregnant women choose procedures like amnios and other testing with advice and counsel from their doctors, not the government. This is an invasive medical procedure that the government is FORCING on women, for the sole purpose of shaming them, not because it is medically necessary for their health (OR the health of the unborn child). If an ultrasound is required, let the doctor decide. Old white men sitting in a building somewhere have no right to tell me or any other woman what medical procedures I MUST have. This coming at the same time as the proposal of bills allowing employers to opt out of providing birth control coverage in their benefits package is just too much. It is all, together, an attack on women's rights and IMO is threatening to send this country back decades.
1. an ulltrasound, whether abdominal or intravaginal is a NON INVASIVE procedure. an amnio is INVASIVE, and an abortion is INVASIVE. in my opinion, being a medical professional for 13 years, you SHOULD have an ultrasound to confirm intrauterine placement BEFORE some idiot doctor does a D N C without one, and lands you infertile because of it.
2. i don't read it as the government shaming women. I see it as the government trying to reduce the amount of abortions by making women understand what they are doing before they abort their child. why would it be so bad if a woman changed her mind afterwards and realized that she should keep her baby or give it up for adoption. and maybe if women (and mostly teenagers in this category) will understand that abortion is not birth control. i cant tell you how many pregnant teens we see who say so easily " well i will just get an abortion" and not understanding that it's a little baby and not just a bunch of "cells".
I respect your opinion, i completely do, my main reason to respond was to clarify that an ultrasound is not an invasive procedure.
I appreciate your response.
a) I have had more than one of the procedures you mentioned, and I personally consider them all invasive. At my last intravaginal ultrasound I was in pain for a few days following.
b) Of course an abortion is invasive. But, it is also (most often) a CHOICE. That was my main point. As a medical professional you consider ultrasounds a necessary part of the process, and I respect that, BECAUSE YOU ARE A MEDICAL PROFESSIONAL. That is my main point - the decision to perform ANY procedure or test is between the medical professional and the patient. The government SHOULD NOT be involved. The government doesn't tell me I MUST have a pap smear or a mammogram, I choose to.
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Posted by rmdrn125
Beautifully put. Personally, I am pro life, but I am pro choice for any other woman.There is a reason for Roe v. Wade, this ridiculous "stipulation" is going to bring us back to the back alley!! My whole concern is if the woman doesnt want the pregnancy, what kind of parent will she be? I completely iunderstand the notion of seeing your baby on ultrasound for the first time..it is the most awesome feeling ever, but i think that holds true because I was in love with that child the minute I knew I was pregnant, KWIM?
I am shocked that more people who are anti abortion dont get this!!!!!!!!!!
If I am not fit, ready, willing, able WHY should I be forced to have a child I dont want?
Crime will go up. Poverty will go up. Instance of Negleted children, beaten children, abused children, abandoned children, WILL go up.
Our taxes WILL go up because of the welfare mothers.
No one talks about how *WE* pay for all these unwanted children.
No one talks about how the unwanted children will pay.....
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BunnyWife
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Posted by MrsC614
Posted by MandJZ
I'll throw my hat in the ring for this one.
While I hear what people are saying regarding the usefulness of this procedure, it is not the government's place to determine that - it is between a doctor and a patient to decide which procedures are MEDICALLY necessary. Pregnant women choose procedures like amnios and other testing with advice and counsel from their doctors, not the government. This is an invasive medical procedure that the government is FORCING on women, for the sole purpose of shaming them, not because it is medically necessary for their health (OR the health of the unborn child). If an ultrasound is required, let the doctor decide. Old white men sitting in a building somewhere have no right to tell me or any other woman what medical procedures I MUST have. This coming at the same time as the proposal of bills allowing employers to opt out of providing birth control coverage in their benefits package is just too much. It is all, together, an attack on women's rights and IMO is threatening to send this country back decades.
1. an ulltrasound, whether abdominal or intravaginal is a NON INVASIVE procedure. an amnio is INVASIVE, and an abortion is INVASIVE. in my opinion, being a medical professional for 13 years, you SHOULD have an ultrasound to confirm intrauterine placement BEFORE some idiot doctor does a D N C without one, and lands you infertile because of it.
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I respectfully disagree. Having had many transvaginal ultra sounds because of a medical issue it sucks,it's invasive and can be painful if your someone like me who has a tilted uterus. You are sticking a probe up a women's vagina for no reason but to shame her into seeing this zygote as a person. It is not considered normal medical procedure to have this done before an abortion and I would bet money that it will be found unconstitutional.
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MandJZ
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Posted by BunnyWife
Posted by MrsC614
Posted by MandJZ
I'll throw my hat in the ring for this one.
While I hear what people are saying regarding the usefulness of this procedure, it is not the government's place to determine that - it is between a doctor and a patient to decide which procedures are MEDICALLY necessary. Pregnant women choose procedures like amnios and other testing with advice and counsel from their doctors, not the government. This is an invasive medical procedure that the government is FORCING on women, for the sole purpose of shaming them, not because it is medically necessary for their health (OR the health of the unborn child). If an ultrasound is required, let the doctor decide. Old white men sitting in a building somewhere have no right to tell me or any other woman what medical procedures I MUST have. This coming at the same time as the proposal of bills allowing employers to opt out of providing birth control coverage in their benefits package is just too much. It is all, together, an attack on women's rights and IMO is threatening to send this country back decades.
1. an ulltrasound, whether abdominal or intravaginal is a NON INVASIVE procedure. an amnio is INVASIVE, and an abortion is INVASIVE. in my opinion, being a medical professional for 13 years, you SHOULD have an ultrasound to confirm intrauterine placement BEFORE some idiot doctor does a D N C without one, and lands you infertile because of it.
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I respectfully disagree. Having had many transvaginal ultra sounds because of a medical issue it sucks,it's invasive and can be painful if your someone like me who has a tilted uterus. You are sticking a probe up a women's vagina for no reason but to shame her into seeing this zygote as a person. It is not considered normal medical procedure to have this done before an abortion and I would bet money that it will be found unconstitutional.
Thank you! ITA!
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MrsC614
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Posted by VanderZwang
Posted by rmdrn125
Beautifully put. Personally, I am pro life, but I am pro choice for any other woman.There is a reason for Roe v. Wade, this ridiculous "stipulation" is going to bring us back to the back alley!! My whole concern is if the woman doesnt want the pregnancy, what kind of parent will she be? I completely iunderstand the notion of seeing your baby on ultrasound for the first time..it is the most awesome feeling ever, but i think that holds true because I was in love with that child the minute I knew I was pregnant, KWIM?
I am shocked that more people who are anti abortion dont get this!!!!!!!!!!
If I am not fit, ready, willing, able WHY should I be forced to have a child I dont want?
Crime will go up. Poverty will go up. Instance of Negleted children, beaten children, abused children, abandoned children, WILL go up.
Our taxes WILL go up because of the welfare mothers.
No one talks about how *WE* pay for all these unwanted children.
No one talks about how the unwanted children will pay.....
adoption is always an option, this is why i am pro life. there are millions of people who want to adopt. i know of couples who waiting years to adopt, and it was a torturous process. these are people who can't have kids themselves, and really want to. they would take that child in a second and provide a loving home.
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Re: Pro-choice or pro-life, how do you feel about this
Posted by VanderZwang
Posted by rmdrn125
Beautifully put. Personally, I am pro life, but I am pro choice for any other woman.There is a reason for Roe v. Wade, this ridiculous "stipulation" is going to bring us back to the back alley!! My whole concern is if the woman doesnt want the pregnancy, what kind of parent will she be? I completely iunderstand the notion of seeing your baby on ultrasound for the first time..it is the most awesome feeling ever, but i think that holds true because I was in love with that child the minute I knew I was pregnant, KWIM?
I am shocked that more people who are anti abortion dont get this!!!!!!!!!!
If I am not fit, ready, willing, able WHY should I be forced to have a child I dont want?
Crime will go up. Poverty will go up. Instance of Negleted children, beaten children, abused children, abandoned children, WILL go up.
Our taxes WILL go up because of the welfare mothers.
No one talks about how *WE* pay for all these unwanted children.
No one talks about how the unwanted children will pay.....
Ding ding ding.
Not to mention they want to cut coverage on BC.
So if not for abortion the only option will be abstinence or tons of unwanted children.
Seems like the country is taking steps backward.
It's scary.
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