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Mrs213
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Re: Protests
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So I read somewhere that the scumbag animal cop had something like 19 complaints against him And he was a known troublemaker? WHY WAS HE STILL WORKING!?? Why are the people paying his probably inflated salary ???? There are up and coming, younger, more well rounded people trying to get into the force all over the country. It’s time to move out the old dogs who won’t change their prospective, and bring in new blood with new ways of serving and protecting ALL people.
Maybe that’s what we should be contacting our representatives about? Changing The way they deal with real complaints on bad cops. They’ll always be bs complaints, so complaints that the IAB find to be accurate and true should be your red flag immediately. Found to be a racist pig? You’re out! You don’t get to have a community paid salary, the best health insurance you can get and a pension to live out your senior years comfortably. You’re done.
Protests can help open eyes. Riots just close them Back up. This has been going on for decades and nothing has changed. It’s like the definition of Insanity. Let’s try something else - together. Starting with how they handle multiple complaints against an officer. That should be #1. Then go from there.
I agree with you but that this needs to be addressed, but firing the bad cops isn’t going to changed the fabric of our nation. It’s systemic. We need to take a deep look ourselves and our own attitudes and stand together and demand change. First thing is need to make our voices heard by voting Trump out in November. He is the most vile, divisive, attention seeking narcissist in the planet. He taunts people with his tweets and people have been pushed to the limit. It clearly goes beyond just Donald Trump but it’s a good place to start...
You agree BUT. But But But
That's all I ever hear. Doesn't there have to be a starting point? Everything starts somewhere. Step 1, get rid of bad cops so people in power cant kill whoever they feel like without incident.
Then go from there. And yes I agree, it's not the only way. Teaching your children - or actually NOT teaching your children hate shouldn't be a step. It should just BE
I don't blame the president. I didn't blame the last few and I don't blame him either. But that's not what this is about. We had a black president and the same issues. Higher gov't can't fix it alone. Local Gov't is the key. Once they all agree, it goes up the chain to the top. Until they change, we will be living in this vicious cycle forever.
I feel like I have been talking in circles. Maybe just falling on deaf ears
Its not the President's fault but our current one's actions and message is clearly not helping the situation.
Obviously he is not directly responsible for the actions of others but he is fanning the flames big time. I don't believe we can begin to fight for change without making him part of the conversation...
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Re: Protests
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by PhyllisNJoe
So I read somewhere that the scumbag animal cop had something like 19 complaints against him And he was a known troublemaker? WHY WAS HE STILL WORKING!?? Why are the people paying his probably inflated salary ???? There are up and coming, younger, more well rounded people trying to get into the force all over the country. It’s time to move out the old dogs who won’t change their prospective, and bring in new blood with new ways of serving and protecting ALL people.
Maybe that’s what we should be contacting our representatives about? Changing The way they deal with real complaints on bad cops. They’ll always be bs complaints, so complaints that the IAB find to be accurate and true should be your red flag immediately. Found to be a racist pig? You’re out! You don’t get to have a community paid salary, the best health insurance you can get and a pension to live out your senior years comfortably. You’re done.
Protests can help open eyes. Riots just close them Back up. This has been going on for decades and nothing has changed. It’s like the definition of Insanity. Let’s try something else - together. Starting with how they handle multiple complaints against an officer. That should be #1. Then go from there.
I agree with you but that this needs to be addressed, but firing the bad cops isn’t going to changed the fabric of our nation. It’s systemic. We need to take a deep look ourselves and our own attitudes and stand together and demand change. First thing is need to make our voices heard by voting Trump out in November. He is the most vile, divisive, attention seeking narcissist in the planet. He taunts people with his tweets and people have been pushed to the limit. It clearly goes beyond just Donald Trump but it’s a good place to start...
You agree BUT. But But But
That's all I ever hear. Doesn't there have to be a starting point? Everything starts somewhere. Step 1, get rid of bad cops so people in power cant kill whoever they feel like without incident.
Then go from there. And yes I agree, it's not the only way. Teaching your children - or actually NOT teaching your children hate shouldn't be a step. It should just BE
I don't blame the president. I didn't blame the last few and I don't blame him either. But that's not what this is about. We had a black president and the same issues. Higher gov't can't fix it alone. Local Gov't is the key. Once they all agree, it goes up the chain to the top. Until they change, we will be living in this vicious cycle forever.
I feel like I have been talking in circles. Maybe just falling on deaf ears
I agree. There needs to be a starting point. I hope this is it. Cuomo made some good points again this morning. How police officers need to be investigated not by the local DA but the State. There is a conflict of interest. That is a main one. If it was an outside investigation alot of these issues could not swept under the rug. Whether or not they get charged I don't know but at least they would be fired and off the street. It is very hard to try to trust the police if you know any action they do will be rubberstamped.
The other officers that were there watching him die will get charged. They just need to get through the process. I think it was a good start to at least fire them immediately.
Cuomo also make another good point that there needs to be some sort of organization here. What do the protesters want, what reform are they looking for immediately. There has to be someone pushing for change, not just groups of people protesting. Where are all these politicians that claim they are for equality and reform. No one is saying anything, at least that I have heard.
As far as the looters, It is pathetic and everyone of them should be arrested. There is no excuse and saying people are doing it out of anger is so far from the truth. If that was the case, they would not be just breaking into stores like gucci and Chanel.
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SecretlyTTC14
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Re: Protests
I think we all forget that it wasn't that long ago that segregation ended. We are talking about generations of people (that are still alive) that grew up believing that racism and segregation were still ok, not just ok, but they learned that it was the way things should be. Things changed during their lifetime, but some things you learn as kids, stay with you. Some people are set in their ways and no matter how many buildings are burned down, they will never see otherwise. It doesn't make it right, but for everyone saying we have to start somewhere, it's already started. As a kid, I grew up knowing that racism is wrong, our kids are growing up knowing it is wrong. In a few generations, it will be a thing of the past. Maybe you can't change the minds of everyone right now, but the winds of change are already in motion. I'm not saying we have to wait, we will get there, we just have to find ways to speed up the process. Some people feel hopeless like it will always be this way, but it won't. This is a time to lead by example because future generations are learning from this.
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PitterPatter11
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Re: Protests
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I think we all forget that it wasn't that long ago that segregation ended. We are talking about generations of people (that are still alive) that grew up believing that racism and segregation were still ok, not just ok, but they learned that it was the way things should be. Things changed during their lifetime, but some things you learn as kids, stay with you. Some people are set in their ways and no matter how many buildings are burned down, they will never see otherwise. It doesn't make it right, but for everyone saying we have to start somewhere, it's already started. As a kid, I grew up knowing that racism is wrong, our kids are growing up knowing it is wrong. In a few generations, it will be a thing of the past. Maybe you can't change the minds of everyone right now, but the winds of change are already in motion. I'm not saying we have to wait, we will get there, we just have to find ways to speed up the process. Some people feel hopeless like it will always be this way, but it won't. This is a time to lead by example because future generations are learning from this.
You are kidding yourself if you think it is just the older people who can not change. Racism is passed down. Not necessarily to everyone in a family, but believe me when I say kids pick up on every little thing you say or do and it becomes part of their internal monologue. I have had to call out my parents and other family members numerous times about how they speak about certain groups of people.
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JennP
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Re: Protests
Respectfully, I don't understand how anyone can say it's not clear what the protesters want.
Even if it's not clear from the protest itself there are a million things you could read that detail what the issues are and what people want others to do.
There is a link in the other thread about specific things of varying effort required that anyone can do.
Instead of criticizing or pulling apart what allies are saying, it is much more helpful to do the work.
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SecretlyTTC14
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Re: Protests
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
I think we all forget that it wasn't that long ago that segregation ended. We are talking about generations of people (that are still alive) that grew up believing that racism and segregation were still ok, not just ok, but they learned that it was the way things should be. Things changed during their lifetime, but some things you learn as kids, stay with you. Some people are set in their ways and no matter how many buildings are burned down, they will never see otherwise. It doesn't make it right, but for everyone saying we have to start somewhere, it's already started. As a kid, I grew up knowing that racism is wrong, our kids are growing up knowing it is wrong. In a few generations, it will be a thing of the past. Maybe you can't change the minds of everyone right now, but the winds of change are already in motion. I'm not saying we have to wait, we will get there, we just have to find ways to speed up the process. Some people feel hopeless like it will always be this way, but it won't. This is a time to lead by example because future generations are learning from this.
You are kidding yourself if you think it is just the older people who can not change. Racism is passed down. Not necessarily to everyone in a family, but believe me when I say kids pick up on every little thing you say or do and it becomes part of their internal monologue. I have had to call out my parents and other family members numerous times about how they speak about certain groups of people.
The point I was trying to make is that there was a time that almost every person learned that racism was the way things should be, a lot of those people are still alive and passed it down to their kids. But, now we have generations of people that learned it was wrong from the time they were kids. It won't be that long until racists are few and far between and eventually they will be gone. Sometimes progress is slow, but it is being (and will continue to be) made. IDK I guess what I was trying to say is reading these boards makes it sound so hopeless, but we should be filled with hope and setting a good example for our kids.
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w8andsee
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Re: Protests
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
The point I was trying to make is that there was a time that almost every person learned that racism was the way things should be, a lot of those people are still alive and passed it down to their kids. But, now we have generations of people that learned it was wrong from the time they were kids. It won't be that long until racists are few and far between and eventually they will be gone. Sometimes progress is slow, but it is being (and will continue to be) made. IDK I guess what I was trying to say is reading these boards makes it sound so hopeless, but we should be filled with hope and setting a good example for our kids.
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree that racists are few and far between. People think they are not racist because they have black friends or they work with so and so . . but if a black family moves into the neighborhood, its a problem. If your school district has black kids, its has a reputation of being bad. I moved from Queens and was told stay away from Green Acres, don't ever go there. I had to go there once after avoiding for years. . . there was nothing wrong with the place and I do most of my shopping there now. I had a neighbor move, because the neighborhood was "changing". I started house hunting because I can't afford a bigger house in my neighborhood. It's unbelievable how segregated LI is. I'm far from perfect and I can say this to you because you are strangers, but when I close my eyes and imagine a what a "bad guy" looks like, I always picture a black man and I'm so upset that it happens every time. How do I change that?
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Re: Protests
Posted by w8andsee
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
The point I was trying to make is that there was a time that almost every person learned that racism was the way things should be, a lot of those people are still alive and passed it down to their kids. But, now we have generations of people that learned it was wrong from the time they were kids. It won't be that long until racists are few and far between and eventually they will be gone. Sometimes progress is slow, but it is being (and will continue to be) made. IDK I guess what I was trying to say is reading these boards makes it sound so hopeless, but we should be filled with hope and setting a good example for our kids.
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree that racists are few and far between. People think they are not racist because they have black friends or they work with so and so . . but if a black family moves into the neighborhood, its a problem. If your school district has black kids, its has a reputation of being bad. I moved from Queens and was told stay away from Green Acres, don't ever go there. I had to go there once after avoiding for years. . . there was nothing wrong with the place and I do most of my shopping there now. I had a neighbor move, because the neighborhood was "changing". I started house hunting because I can't afford a bigger house in my neighborhood. It's unbelievable how segregated LI is. I'm far from perfect and I can say this to you because you are strangers, but when I close my eyes and imagine a what a "bad guy" looks like, I always picture a black man and I'm so upset that it happens every time. How do I change that?
Funny... when I close my eyes and picture a "bad man", its always a white guy with an AR15 strapped to him... usually he's wearing a MAGA hat. I am WAY more afraid of a white man with an axe to grind than ANY POC any day of the week. I am white and I work in a predominantly black/latino neighborhood in the South Bronx and I have NEVER felt unsafe there.
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Re: Protests
Posted by Lemon76
Posted by w8andsee
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
The point I was trying to make is that there was a time that almost every person learned that racism was the way things should be, a lot of those people are still alive and passed it down to their kids. But, now we have generations of people that learned it was wrong from the time they were kids. It won't be that long until racists are few and far between and eventually they will be gone. Sometimes progress is slow, but it is being (and will continue to be) made. IDK I guess what I was trying to say is reading these boards makes it sound so hopeless, but we should be filled with hope and setting a good example for our kids.
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree that racists are few and far between. People think they are not racist because they have black friends or they work with so and so . . but if a black family moves into the neighborhood, its a problem. If your school district has black kids, its has a reputation of being bad. I moved from Queens and was told stay away from Green Acres, don't ever go there. I had to go there once after avoiding for years. . . there was nothing wrong with the place and I do most of my shopping there now. I had a neighbor move, because the neighborhood was "changing". I started house hunting because I can't afford a bigger house in my neighborhood. It's unbelievable how segregated LI is. I'm far from perfect and I can say this to you because you are strangers, but when I close my eyes and imagine a what a "bad guy" looks like, I always picture a black man and I'm so upset that it happens every time. How do I change that?
Funny... when I close my eyes and picture a "bad man", its always a white guy with an AR15 strapped to him... usually he's wearing a MAGA hat. I am WAY more afraid of a white man with an axe to grind than ANY POC any day of the week. I am white and I work in a predominantly black/latino neighborhood in the South Bronx and I have NEVER felt unsafe there.
Angry white men who think they are vigilantes right now are a real threat.
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Re: Protests
Posted by Lemon76
Posted by w8andsee
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
The point I was trying to make is that there was a time that almost every person learned that racism was the way things should be, a lot of those people are still alive and passed it down to their kids. But, now we have generations of people that learned it was wrong from the time they were kids. It won't be that long until racists are few and far between and eventually they will be gone. Sometimes progress is slow, but it is being (and will continue to be) made. IDK I guess what I was trying to say is reading these boards makes it sound so hopeless, but we should be filled with hope and setting a good example for our kids.
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree that racists are few and far between. People think they are not racist because they have black friends or they work with so and so . . but if a black family moves into the neighborhood, its a problem. If your school district has black kids, its has a reputation of being bad. I moved from Queens and was told stay away from Green Acres, don't ever go there. I had to go there once after avoiding for years. . . there was nothing wrong with the place and I do most of my shopping there now. I had a neighbor move, because the neighborhood was "changing". I started house hunting because I can't afford a bigger house in my neighborhood. It's unbelievable how segregated LI is. I'm far from perfect and I can say this to you because you are strangers, but when I close my eyes and imagine a what a "bad guy" looks like, I always picture a black man and I'm so upset that it happens every time. How do I change that?
Funny... when I close my eyes and picture a "bad man", its always a white guy with an AR15 strapped to him... usually he's wearing a MAGA hat. I am WAY more afraid of a white man with an axe to grind than ANY POC any day of the week. I am white and I work in a predominantly black/latino neighborhood in the South Bronx and I have NEVER felt unsafe there.
Agreed, I've never been afraid of a mean looking black man anymore than I am afraid of a mean looking white guy...I dont get it.
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JennP
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Re: Protests
Posted by w8andsee
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
The point I was trying to make is that there was a time that almost every person learned that racism was the way things should be, a lot of those people are still alive and passed it down to their kids. But, now we have generations of people that learned it was wrong from the time they were kids. It won't be that long until racists are few and far between and eventually they will be gone. Sometimes progress is slow, but it is being (and will continue to be) made. IDK I guess what I was trying to say is reading these boards makes it sound so hopeless, but we should be filled with hope and setting a good example for our kids.
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree that racists are few and far between. People think they are not racist because they have black friends or they work with so and so . . but if a black family moves into the neighborhood, its a problem. If your school district has black kids, its has a reputation of being bad. I moved from Queens and was told stay away from Green Acres, don't ever go there. I had to go there once after avoiding for years. . . there was nothing wrong with the place and I do most of my shopping there now. I had a neighbor move, because the neighborhood was "changing". I started house hunting because I can't afford a bigger house in my neighborhood. It's unbelievable how segregated LI is. I'm far from perfect and I can say this to you because you are strangers, but when I close my eyes and imagine a what a "bad guy" looks like, I always picture a black man and I'm so upset that it happens every time. How do I change that?
Thank you for saying this. This is a perfect example of how racism is subconscious and internalized. Most racism isn't in the form of white pointy hats and the N word.
Honestly, you are way ahead of plenty of other people because the first step is admitting it.
I'm sure if you do a lot of reading and follow some of the suggestions on the other thread that can be unlearned.
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SecretlyTTC14
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Re: Protests
Posted by w8andsee
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
The point I was trying to make is that there was a time that almost every person learned that racism was the way things should be, a lot of those people are still alive and passed it down to their kids. But, now we have generations of people that learned it was wrong from the time they were kids. It won't be that long until racists are few and far between and eventually they will be gone. Sometimes progress is slow, but it is being (and will continue to be) made. IDK I guess what I was trying to say is reading these boards makes it sound so hopeless, but we should be filled with hope and setting a good example for our kids.
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree that racists are few and far between. People think they are not racist because they have black friends or they work with so and so . . but if a black family moves into the neighborhood, its a problem. If your school district has black kids, its has a reputation of being bad. I moved from Queens and was told stay away from Green Acres, don't ever go there. I had to go there once after avoiding for years. . . there was nothing wrong with the place and I do most of my shopping there now. I had a neighbor move, because the neighborhood was "changing". I started house hunting because I can't afford a bigger house in my neighborhood. It's unbelievable how segregated LI is. I'm far from perfect and I can say this to you because you are strangers, but when I close my eyes and imagine a what a "bad guy" looks like, I always picture a black man and I'm so upset that it happens every time. How do I change that?
I said it won't be that long until racists are few and far between. Obviously that isn't the case now.
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SecretlyTTC14
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Re: Protests
Posted by Lemon76
Posted by w8andsee
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
The point I was trying to make is that there was a time that almost every person learned that racism was the way things should be, a lot of those people are still alive and passed it down to their kids. But, now we have generations of people that learned it was wrong from the time they were kids. It won't be that long until racists are few and far between and eventually they will be gone. Sometimes progress is slow, but it is being (and will continue to be) made. IDK I guess what I was trying to say is reading these boards makes it sound so hopeless, but we should be filled with hope and setting a good example for our kids.
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree that racists are few and far between. People think they are not racist because they have black friends or they work with so and so . . but if a black family moves into the neighborhood, its a problem. If your school district has black kids, its has a reputation of being bad. I moved from Queens and was told stay away from Green Acres, don't ever go there. I had to go there once after avoiding for years. . . there was nothing wrong with the place and I do most of my shopping there now. I had a neighbor move, because the neighborhood was "changing". I started house hunting because I can't afford a bigger house in my neighborhood. It's unbelievable how segregated LI is. I'm far from perfect and I can say this to you because you are strangers, but when I close my eyes and imagine a what a "bad guy" looks like, I always picture a black man and I'm so upset that it happens every time. How do I change that?
Funny... when I close my eyes and picture a "bad man", its always a white guy with an AR15 strapped to him... usually he's wearing a MAGA hat. I am WAY more afraid of a white man with an axe to grind than ANY POC any day of the week. I am white and I work in a predominantly black/latino neighborhood in the South Bronx and I have NEVER felt unsafe there.
I agree. I think everyone has a different "bad guy". Mine is also a white guy. Very pale with a skinny face, medium length curly hair parted down the middle, and all around creepy. I can picture him perfectly and I'm always surprised that I'm scared of someone I never even met. I don't even know where that image in my brain comes from. I've never known anyone that looked like that. It's very bizarre. I'm not scared of people of color.
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Re: Protests
I'm far from perfect and I can say this to you because you are strangers, but when I close my eyes and imagine a what a "bad guy" looks like, I always picture a black man and I'm so upset that it happens every time. How do I change that?
I can understand that. In 1999-2000, I was in graduate school and would take the subway home to the Bronx at around 10 PM. The train car was about 1/4 full. There were a few white men, black men, hispanic men, black women, hispanic women, and me (the only white woman). And I thought to myself, if something happened and I had to pick one of these strangers to help me or be my "buddy" in an emergency, who would I pick? In my head, I picked the white guy. I didn't go with someone who was like me in gender, but I went with someone who was like me in race.
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JME78
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Protests
There is serious systematic and institutional racism in this country.
Setting a good example for your kids is good but racism is more than an individual issue.
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Re: Protests
Posted by TTCwithHope
Long Island is very segregated and I don’t think many residents understand. What would happen if a black family moved on to your block? In most of the “good” school district towns it would set off whispers and side eyes. This is one of the reasons why we left(as a “white” family) LI. We now live in a diverse middle class neighborhood that consistently makes the “best places to live” lists. My neighbors are black, Mexican, Dominican and many are mixed race households. It is a courteous community and the friendliest place I’ve ever lived. We often had block BBQs together pre-COVID. Our property value is not affected if another black family movies in. The funny thing is long islanders just don’t see how segregated it is because it’s always been that way. Some think they are not racist because they have a “black friend” at work but what about 3 black families moving onto your block? I’m so sorry that it’s like this. Not everywhere is this way though and I had no idea until I stumbled onto it.
Before I moved I had a lot of the LI ingrained thoughts and worried when I realized how diverse my block would be. Now I don’t think anything if it. I think the key is desegregation of the towns. Let good black families move into the Wantagh-Seaford school district without whispers that the town is “changing”. We have to give less power the reputation of school districts. We all know good district is code for “predominantly white” on LI. That needs to change. I promise you all to the core of my soul that the LI school district thing is overrated and real estate based. I pay 1/3 now in taxes of what we paid on LI and my kids are getting a great education.
Are you still in NY or did you move out of state?
I noticed this about LI when I worked and went to college there. One of the reasons why I moved to Nj because I didn’t want to move to LI. The comments I used to receive and people putting their nose down on me because I was a “dark skin” Hispanic from Queens, it was unreal.
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NervousNell
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Re: Protests
Posted by TTCwithHope
Long Island is very segregated and I don’t think many residents understand. What would happen if a black family moved on to your block? In most of the “good” school district towns it would set off whispers and side eyes. This is one of the reasons why we left(as a “white” family) LI. We now live in a diverse middle class neighborhood that consistently makes the “best places to live” lists. My neighbors are black, Mexican, Dominican and many are mixed race households. It is a courteous community and the friendliest place I’ve ever lived. We often had block BBQs together pre-COVID. Our property value is not affected if another black family movies in. The funny thing is long islanders just don’t see how segregated it is because it’s always been that way. Some think they are not racist because they have a “black friend” at work but what about 3 black families moving onto your block? I’m so sorry that it’s like this. Not everywhere is this way though and I had no idea until I stumbled onto it.
Before I moved I had a lot of the LI ingrained thoughts and worried when I realized how diverse my block would be. Now I don’t think anything if it. I think the key is desegregation of the towns. Let good black families move into the Wantagh-Seaford school district without whispers that the town is “changing”. We have to give less power the reputation of school districts. We all know good district is code for “predominantly white” on LI. That needs to change. I promise you all to the core of my soul that the LI school district thing is overrated and real estate based. I pay 1/3 now in taxes of what we paid on LI and my kids are getting a great education.
I guess I am not the norm because I live in a predominantly white town, but there are a few black families on my block and I never thought twice or blinked an eye about it. When the house across the street for me was up for sale recently, i never thought, oh I hope a white family buys it. I did think that I hoped a nice family buys it (because it was occupied by 2 horrible male squatters before it finally went to auction who did not take care of it and it was an eyesore and on the verge of collapse) To me, that was bringing the property value down on my block- the eyesore that that house had become-not the color of anyone's skin who lived on my street.
I don't care who moves in- as long as they are nice people who take care of their homes and add to the neighborhood.
But I guess that is not the norm in terms of thinking on long island
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| Posted 6/1/20 4:33 PM |
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chilltocam
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Re: Protests
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by TTCwithHope
Long Island is very segregated and I don’t think many residents understand. What would happen if a black family moved on to your block? In most of the “good” school district towns it would set off whispers and side eyes. This is one of the reasons why we left(as a “white” family) LI. We now live in a diverse middle class neighborhood that consistently makes the “best places to live” lists. My neighbors are black, Mexican, Dominican and many are mixed race households. It is a courteous community and the friendliest place I’ve ever lived. We often had block BBQs together pre-COVID. Our property value is not affected if another black family movies in. The funny thing is long islanders just don’t see how segregated it is because it’s always been that way. Some think they are not racist because they have a “black friend” at work but what about 3 black families moving onto your block? I’m so sorry that it’s like this. Not everywhere is this way though and I had no idea until I stumbled onto it.
Before I moved I had a lot of the LI ingrained thoughts and worried when I realized how diverse my block would be. Now I don’t think anything if it. I think the key is desegregation of the towns. Let good black families move into the Wantagh-Seaford school district without whispers that the town is “changing”. We have to give less power the reputation of school districts. We all know good district is code for “predominantly white” on LI. That needs to change. I promise you all to the core of my soul that the LI school district thing is overrated and real estate based. I pay 1/3 now in taxes of what we paid on LI and my kids are getting a great education.
I guess I am not the norm because I live in a predominantly white town, but there are a few black families on my block and I never thought twice or blinked an eye about it. When the house across the street for me was up for sale recently, i never thought, oh I hope a white family buys it. I did think that I hoped a nice family buys it (because it was occupied by 2 horrible male squatters before it finally went to auction who did not take care of it and it was an eyesore and on the verge of collapse) To me, that was bringing the property value down on my block- the eyesore that that house had become-not the color of anyone's skin who lived on my street.
I don't care who moves in- as long as they are nice people who take care of their homes and add to the neighborhood.
But I guess that is not the norm in terms of thinking on long island
It's not the norm. When I bought my house 2 years ago, the family I was buying it from felt the need to tell me that the family across the street is Black - they were afraid I would back out of the deal because of that (which obviously I didn't). Made no difference to me - my biggest concerns were that my neighbors weren't noisy and that they kept their homes nice. Couldn't give a crap what color their skin is. But clearly a lot of people don't feel that way
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| Posted 6/1/20 4:45 PM |
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TTCwithHope
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Re: Protests
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| Posted 6/1/20 4:48 PM |
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LuckyStar
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Re: Protests
Posted by TTCwithHope
Long Island is very segregated and I don’t think many residents understand. What would happen if a black family moved on to your block? In most of the “good” school district towns it would set off whispers and side eyes. This is one of the reasons why we left(as a “white” family) LI. We now live in a diverse middle class neighborhood that consistently makes the “best places to live” lists. My neighbors are black, Mexican, Dominican and many are mixed race households. It is a courteous community and the friendliest place I’ve ever lived. We often had block BBQs together pre-COVID. Our property value is not affected if another black family movies in. The funny thing is long islanders just don’t see how segregated it is because it’s always been that way. Some think they are not racist because they have a “black friend” at work but what about 3 black families moving onto your block? I’m so sorry that it’s like this. Not everywhere is this way though and I had no idea until I stumbled onto it.
Before I moved I had a lot of the LI ingrained thoughts and worried when I realized how diverse my block would be. Now I don’t think anything if it. I think the key is desegregation of the towns. Let good black families move into the Wantagh-Seaford school district without whispers that the town is “changing”. We have to give less power the reputation of school districts. We all know good district is code for “predominantly white” on LI. That needs to change. I promise you all to the core of my soul that the LI school district thing is overrated and real estate based. I pay 1/3 now in taxes of what we paid on LI and my kids are getting a great education.
This. All. This.
Like you, we are a white family moving a diverse, socially liberal, open-minded, well-educated neighborhood. Except neither DH nor I are from LI, so we saw it. We saw it really, really fast and knew right away that we would have to move before our daughter started public school.
I find a lot of families in our area (one town over from where you mention) who were not raised in the area feel similarly. The one family we became good friends with through DD's daycare ended up moving OOS.
It's a hard thing to put your finger on and a tough vibe to get until you actually live somewhere and you're in the thick of it. We briefly house hunted in CT and I had to actually tell our agent "somewhere not racist." The fact that it had to be a requirement, that it had to be spoken, is absurd. But no one who lives here sees it and no one who lives outside of here believes it.
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| Posted 6/1/20 4:54 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Protests
Posted by TTCwithHope
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by TTCwithHope
Long Island is very segregated and I don’t think many residents understand. What would happen if a black family moved on to your block? In most of the “good” school district towns it would set off whispers and side eyes. This is one of the reasons why we left(as a “white” family) LI. We now live in a diverse middle class neighborhood that consistently makes the “best places to live” lists. My neighbors are black, Mexican, Dominican and many are mixed race households. It is a courteous community and the friendliest place I’ve ever lived. We often had block BBQs together pre-COVID. Our property value is not affected if another black family movies in. The funny thing is long islanders just don’t see how segregated it is because it’s always been that way. Some think they are not racist because they have a “black friend” at work but what about 3 black families moving onto your block? I’m so sorry that it’s like this. Not everywhere is this way though and I had no idea until I stumbled onto it.
Before I moved I had a lot of the LI ingrained thoughts and worried when I realized how diverse my block would be. Now I don’t think anything if it. I think the key is desegregation of the towns. Let good black families move into the Wantagh-Seaford school district without whispers that the town is “changing”. We have to give less power the reputation of school districts. We all know good district is code for “predominantly white” on LI. That needs to change. I promise you all to the core of my soul that the LI school district thing is overrated and real estate based. I pay 1/3 now in taxes of what we paid on LI and my kids are getting a great education.
I guess I am not the norm because I live in a predominantly white town, but there are a few black families on my block and I never thought twice or blinked an eye about it. When the house across the street for me was up for sale recently, i never thought, oh I hope a white family buys it. I did think that I hoped a nice family buys it (because it was occupied by 2 horrible male squatters before it finally went to auction who did not take care of it and it was an eyesore and on the verge of collapse) To me, that was bringing the property value down on my block- the eyesore that that house had become-not the color of anyone's skin who lived on my street.
I don't care who moves in- as long as they are nice people who take care of their homes and add to the neighborhood.
But I guess that is not the norm in terms of thinking on long island
I don’t doubt that there are some good towns with healthy diversity on LI. I do know the radius of the area i grew up in and lived in for nearly 40 years is very-segregated, as is 98% white, and was not welcoming to others.
I grew up in a town like that. I'm sure it's still like that. It was one of those top rated school districts. And there was barely any diversity. To be honest I didn't like my high school experience. We weren't rich by a long shot, but many of the people I went to school with were very rich snobby and spoiled. I always felt like the odd man out
When I moved out here after getting married, I was surprised at how much nicer the people in general were. I didn't get that I'm better than you, or snobby vibe overall. I'm sure there are people like that everywhere, but there was just something different overall out here.
I notice my DD has a lot more diversity in her classes at school. Don't get me wrong, it's still a mostly white area, but my DD has friends of many different races in her classes.
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| Posted 6/1/20 4:58 PM |
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MrsA1012
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Protests
Not a fan of violent protest. I think it is pretty clear though that most these riots are not being driven by average civilians but by extremist groups like Antifa and possibly white supremacist groups.
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| Posted 6/2/20 2:05 PM |
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RainyDay
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Re: Protests
Posted by MrsA1012
Not a fan of violent protest. I think it is pretty clear though that most these riots are not being driven by average civilians but by extremist groups like Antifa and possibly white supremacist groups.
"Possibly white supremacist groups" 
Couldn't just leave it at extremist groups.
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| Posted 6/2/20 2:29 PM |
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CookiePuss
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Re: Protests
Posted by MrsA1012
Not a fan of violent protest. I think it is pretty clear though that most these riots are not being driven by average civilians but by extremist groups like Antifa and possibly white supremacist groups.
That was Charlottesville. 2017
Anger, race injustice, socioeconomic inequalities, etc is what is driving these protests.
The news is showing you the worst that they can find because it drives up ratings.
Is there violence...yes
But, there are plenty of protesting that is not violent.
And violence breaks out when our leader used force against peaceful protesters for nothing other then to stand in front of a church for a photo. That is what causes violence. add in his rhetoric about using military force on Americans and bam...you have violence in America.
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| Posted 6/2/20 3:42 PM |
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