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Re: Schools can open
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by mommy2be716
yeah i guess you're all right- i just worst case alot and it's hard not to get anxious about all the what ifs.. i'm really worried about being in a school 5 days a week. All the students in my building will be on a hybrid A/B schedule, but I'm there every day. The precautions are in place for the kids, but the teachers don't really feel safe. Kids are staying in one room all day to protect them, yet we are moving all around the building... Alot of teachers are nervous about this
You have every right to be nervous. Teachers and students are being used as test subjects. I hope your school is implementing a plan that will keep YOU and your students safe.
My son’s school seems to have a good plan for elementary, but I am nervous for the MS/HS staff and students.
I teach HS and I am very nervous about going back. My school has not released any information about what the “hybrid” model will look like. I know each group of students will be in school 2 days a week. We are on a block schedule so that means I am making contact with each student ONE time per week. All this stress for one in person session. I plan on telling my students to bring a blanket because class will be outside every day that weather permits.
Also people keep saying if you don’t like it quit. Well if every teacher who doesn’t like it quits, you probably won’t have enough teachers to actually teach.
And every teacher I am friends with has still been following guidelines. They are not going to parties or having play dates. No vacations. Maybe because I teach science so all my friends believe this virus is serious. That doesn’t mean that they haven’t seen their family at all or been out of the house. It just means they are keeping their bubble small.
Sending support to both of you and to all teachers. I think most people appreciate teachers now, more than ever, and those who never really have are not worth your time and energy.
Hopefully, those making decisions that affect your working conditions will gauge the entire situation, including the numbers and projections in your area, and whether the proper precautions re: ppe, ventilation, class size, testing, etc. are in place before making final decisions. And if opening proves to be a mistake anywhere, hopefully things will shut right back down.
I agree with you that if people in any occupation are pushed too far and feel devalued, they will leave for whatever other options are available to them.
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Schools can open
I can tell you that we, as teachers, are absolutely being vilified by parents. Some things I saw on a FB group I am on in the last 24 hours...
- teachers unions better be careful with how they are telling parents teachers are not needed. Teachers don't want to go back to school but they also don't want to live stream remotely. Which leaves a bulk of schooling on the parent, so what is the point of a teacher
- if you are really so essential, you would have properly taught my child remotely in the spring, and more willing to go back to work now.
- teachers are adults, and therefore need to take the proper precautions as responsible adults to protect themselves, while letting the kids get the education they deserve. To quote one mom "your fear is stomping on my kid."
- I am a nurse and risked my life every single day while you all gallivanted around town with no masks & no social distancing, and thought you were helping my clapping at 7 pm and putting hearts in your windows. You needed us, but now we need you to teach our kids and you won't
- I want a portion of my taxes refunded, teachers should get pay cuts if they are unwilling to teach in person.
I am not saying I agree or disagree with some of these statements. But, the reality is MANY parents are beginning to turn on teachers for what they believe is an unwillingness to do their job.
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Schools can open
Listen, there's a huge difference between saying I'm angry and I'm anxious/nervous. I am in no way saying I don't want to teach my students IN PERSON. Obviously that is what I want, and I don't know anyone that has said different. It's easier in person, wayyyyyy less work/planning for me to go back in person. I've perfected it over the years, my lessons are perfect, etc...I would be putting in way more hours from home to get my lessons perfected for remote learning.
I am nervous, though, because I feel schools have done a great job of putting plans in place for the benefit of the children, but not us. My students will all be in the same room all day long, but how is that helpful to me when I still travel room to room? I'm not an elementary teacher, I don't teach all major subjects. If I was, it would be much easier because then I know i'm with the same group of kids, in the same classroom all day. But MS and HS teachers have it really bad. Me (math), the SS teacher, the ELA teacher, the Science teacher, talent, whoever supervises for lunch, and anyone else that teaches throughout the day will circulate in and out of that room. My desk will now be used by a MINIMUM of 4 teachers per day. All of the dry erase markers, smart board pens, and other supplies will be touched by various instructors as well. These are all things that I am incredibly anxious about. Not to mention, I will be teaching 3-4 different groups per day, so I will be touching these materials in 3-4 different classrooms per day. Do the math and it won't take a genius to figure out that 15-20 instructors per day will be circulating in and out of those 3-4 classrooms, touching those materials (that typically just one teacher touches every day- because we usually don't circulate around our building. I usually just have my classroom with all of my belongings that I know will be kept clean.) I feel like I'm doomed from the start.
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by mommy2be716
Listen, there's a huge difference between saying I'm angry and I'm anxious/nervous. I am in no way saying I don't want to teach my students IN PERSON. Obviously that is what I want, and I don't know anyone that has said different. It's easier in person, wayyyyyy less work/planning for me to go back in person. I've perfected it over the years, my lessons are perfect, etc...I would be putting in way more hours from home to get my lessons perfected for remote learning.
I am nervous, though, because I feel schools have done a great job of putting plans in place for the benefit of the children, but not us. My students will all be in the same room all day long, but how is that helpful to me when I still travel room to room? I'm not an elementary teacher, I don't teach all major subjects. If I was, it would be much easier because then I know i'm with the same group of kids, in the same classroom all day. But MS and HS teachers have it really bad. Me (math), the SS teacher, the ELA teacher, the Science teacher, talent, whoever supervises for lunch, and anyone else that teaches throughout the day will circulate in and out of that room. My desk will now be used by a MINIMUM of 4 teachers per day. All of the dry erase markers, smart board pens, and other supplies will be touched by various instructors as well. These are all things that I am incredibly anxious about. Not to mention, I will be teaching 3-4 different groups per day, so I will be touching these materials in 3-4 different classrooms per day. Do the math and it won't take a genius to figure out that 15-20 instructors per day will be circulating in and out of those 3-4 classrooms, touching those materials (that typically just one teacher touches every day- because we usually don't circulate around our building. I usually just have my classroom with all of my belongings that I know will be kept clean.) I feel like I'm doomed from the start.
Shouldn't you have a kit of supplies for yourself? I haven't looked at any HS plans, but it seems like that should be part of the plan. Not saying you shouldn't be nervous, just commenting on the supply issue
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by pumpkinmom
Posted by mommy2be716
Listen, there's a huge difference between saying I'm angry and I'm anxious/nervous. I am in no way saying I don't want to teach my students IN PERSON. Obviously that is what I want, and I don't know anyone that has said different. It's easier in person, wayyyyyy less work/planning for me to go back in person. I've perfected it over the years, my lessons are perfect, etc...I would be putting in way more hours from home to get my lessons perfected for remote learning.
I am nervous, though, because I feel schools have done a great job of putting plans in place for the benefit of the children, but not us. My students will all be in the same room all day long, but how is that helpful to me when I still travel room to room? I'm not an elementary teacher, I don't teach all major subjects. If I was, it would be much easier because then I know i'm with the same group of kids, in the same classroom all day. But MS and HS teachers have it really bad. Me (math), the SS teacher, the ELA teacher, the Science teacher, talent, whoever supervises for lunch, and anyone else that teaches throughout the day will circulate in and out of that room. My desk will now be used by a MINIMUM of 4 teachers per day. All of the dry erase markers, smart board pens, and other supplies will be touched by various instructors as well. These are all things that I am incredibly anxious about. Not to mention, I will be teaching 3-4 different groups per day, so I will be touching these materials in 3-4 different classrooms per day. Do the math and it won't take a genius to figure out that 15-20 instructors per day will be circulating in and out of those 3-4 classrooms, touching those materials (that typically just one teacher touches every day- because we usually don't circulate around our building. I usually just have my classroom with all of my belongings that I know will be kept clean.) I feel like I'm doomed from the start.
Shouldn't you have a kit of supplies for yourself? I haven't looked at any HS plans, but it seems like that should be part of the plan. Not saying you shouldn't be nervous, just commenting on the supply issue
Smart board pens come with the smart board so no, no one has their own set. The keyboard and mouse are shared one per classroom. Staplers, hole punches, etc are not exactly easy to carry from room to room.
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by pumpkinmom
Posted by mommy2be716
Listen, there's a huge difference between saying I'm angry and I'm anxious/nervous. I am in no way saying I don't want to teach my students IN PERSON. Obviously that is what I want, and I don't know anyone that has said different. It's easier in person, wayyyyyy less work/planning for me to go back in person. I've perfected it over the years, my lessons are perfect, etc...I would be putting in way more hours from home to get my lessons perfected for remote learning.
I am nervous, though, because I feel schools have done a great job of putting plans in place for the benefit of the children, but not us. My students will all be in the same room all day long, but how is that helpful to me when I still travel room to room? I'm not an elementary teacher, I don't teach all major subjects. If I was, it would be much easier because then I know i'm with the same group of kids, in the same classroom all day. But MS and HS teachers have it really bad. Me (math), the SS teacher, the ELA teacher, the Science teacher, talent, whoever supervises for lunch, and anyone else that teaches throughout the day will circulate in and out of that room. My desk will now be used by a MINIMUM of 4 teachers per day. All of the dry erase markers, smart board pens, and other supplies will be touched by various instructors as well. These are all things that I am incredibly anxious about. Not to mention, I will be teaching 3-4 different groups per day, so I will be touching these materials in 3-4 different classrooms per day. Do the math and it won't take a genius to figure out that 15-20 instructors per day will be circulating in and out of those 3-4 classrooms, touching those materials (that typically just one teacher touches every day- because we usually don't circulate around our building. I usually just have my classroom with all of my belongings that I know will be kept clean.) I feel like I'm doomed from the start.
Shouldn't you have a kit of supplies for yourself? I haven't looked at any HS plans, but it seems like that should be part of the plan. Not saying you shouldn't be nervous, just commenting on the supply issue
By supplies I’m pretty sure she means computer, smartboard, desk, etc. they are not ordering additional supplies like that. My school lgives me $20 per year for classroom supplies. I had to choose my supplies in March.
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by mommy2be716
Listen, there's a huge difference between saying I'm angry and I'm anxious/nervous. I am in no way saying I don't want to teach my students IN PERSON. Obviously that is what I want, and I don't know anyone that has said different. It's easier in person, wayyyyyy less work/planning for me to go back in person. I've perfected it over the years, my lessons are perfect, etc...I would be putting in way more hours from home to get my lessons perfected for remote learning.
I am nervous, though, because I feel schools have done a great job of putting plans in place for the benefit of the children, but not us. My students will all be in the same room all day long, but how is that helpful to me when I still travel room to room? I'm not an elementary teacher, I don't teach all major subjects. If I was, it would be much easier because then I know i'm with the same group of kids, in the same classroom all day. But MS and HS teachers have it really bad. Me (math), the SS teacher, the ELA teacher, the Science teacher, talent, whoever supervises for lunch, and anyone else that teaches throughout the day will circulate in and out of that room. My desk will now be used by a MINIMUM of 4 teachers per day. All of the dry erase markers, smart board pens, and other supplies will be touched by various instructors as well. These are all things that I am incredibly anxious about. Not to mention, I will be teaching 3-4 different groups per day, so I will be touching these materials in 3-4 different classrooms per day. Do the math and it won't take a genius to figure out that 15-20 instructors per day will be circulating in and out of those 3-4 classrooms, touching those materials (that typically just one teacher touches every day- because we usually don't circulate around our building. I usually just have my classroom with all of my belongings that I know will be kept clean.) I feel like I'm doomed from the start.
That's where hand washing comes into play. Covid doesn't go through your skin. You can share items with people and never get sick by practicing good hygiene.
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| Posted 8/9/20 10:33 PM |
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Re: Schools can open
Meanwhile, that Grorgia school in the picture just went to remote learning. Apparently, the photo wasn't the only thing that went viral.
Schools have had a chance to make changes to their plans and provisions. They now still have a chance to make wise decisions based on whether they can follow the guidelines properly.
This pandemic will not last forever. But the consequences of many decisions along the way just might.
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by mommy2be716
Listen, there's a huge difference between saying I'm angry and I'm anxious/nervous. I am in no way saying I don't want to teach my students IN PERSON. Obviously that is what I want, and I don't know anyone that has said different. It's easier in person, wayyyyyy less work/planning for me to go back in person. I've perfected it over the years, my lessons are perfect, etc...I would be putting in way more hours from home to get my lessons perfected for remote learning.
I am nervous, though, because I feel schools have done a great job of putting plans in place for the benefit of the children, but not us. My students will all be in the same room all day long, but how is that helpful to me when I still travel room to room? I'm not an elementary teacher, I don't teach all major subjects. If I was, it would be much easier because then I know i'm with the same group of kids, in the same classroom all day. But MS and HS teachers have it really bad. Me (math), the SS teacher, the ELA teacher, the Science teacher, talent, whoever supervises for lunch, and anyone else that teaches throughout the day will circulate in and out of that room. My desk will now be used by a MINIMUM of 4 teachers per day. All of the dry erase markers, smart board pens, and other supplies will be touched by various instructors as well. These are all things that I am incredibly anxious about. Not to mention, I will be teaching 3-4 different groups per day, so I will be touching these materials in 3-4 different classrooms per day. Do the math and it won't take a genius to figure out that 15-20 instructors per day will be circulating in and out of those 3-4 classrooms, touching those materials (that typically just one teacher touches every day- because we usually don't circulate around our building. I usually just have my classroom with all of my belongings that I know will be kept clean.) I feel like I'm doomed from the start.
That's where hand washing comes into play. Covid doesn't go through your skin. You can share items with people and never get sick by practicing good hygiene.
Right, but with a typical high school schedule there is not enough time in between classes for anyone to wash their hands.
If you're cycling among classrooms, you don't have a second to spare. Even if you are in the same room all day, you have to be at your door to welcome students and can't leave your classroom at transition anyway.
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by JennP
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by mommy2be716
Listen, there's a huge difference between saying I'm angry and I'm anxious/nervous. I am in no way saying I don't want to teach my students IN PERSON. Obviously that is what I want, and I don't know anyone that has said different. It's easier in person, wayyyyyy less work/planning for me to go back in person. I've perfected it over the years, my lessons are perfect, etc...I would be putting in way more hours from home to get my lessons perfected for remote learning.
I am nervous, though, because I feel schools have done a great job of putting plans in place for the benefit of the children, but not us. My students will all be in the same room all day long, but how is that helpful to me when I still travel room to room? I'm not an elementary teacher, I don't teach all major subjects. If I was, it would be much easier because then I know i'm with the same group of kids, in the same classroom all day. But MS and HS teachers have it really bad. Me (math), the SS teacher, the ELA teacher, the Science teacher, talent, whoever supervises for lunch, and anyone else that teaches throughout the day will circulate in and out of that room. My desk will now be used by a MINIMUM of 4 teachers per day. All of the dry erase markers, smart board pens, and other supplies will be touched by various instructors as well. These are all things that I am incredibly anxious about. Not to mention, I will be teaching 3-4 different groups per day, so I will be touching these materials in 3-4 different classrooms per day. Do the math and it won't take a genius to figure out that 15-20 instructors per day will be circulating in and out of those 3-4 classrooms, touching those materials (that typically just one teacher touches every day- because we usually don't circulate around our building. I usually just have my classroom with all of my belongings that I know will be kept clean.) I feel like I'm doomed from the start.
That's where hand washing comes into play. Covid doesn't go through your skin. You can share items with people and never get sick by practicing good hygiene.
Right, but with a typical high school schedule there is not enough time in between classes for anyone to wash their hands.
If you're cycling among classrooms, you don't have a second to spare. Even if you are in the same room all day, you have to be at your door to welcome students and can't leave your classroom at transition anyway.
That's where hand sanitizer comes into play
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by JennP
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by mommy2be716
Listen, there's a huge difference between saying I'm angry and I'm anxious/nervous. I am in no way saying I don't want to teach my students IN PERSON. Obviously that is what I want, and I don't know anyone that has said different. It's easier in person, wayyyyyy less work/planning for me to go back in person. I've perfected it over the years, my lessons are perfect, etc...I would be putting in way more hours from home to get my lessons perfected for remote learning.
I am nervous, though, because I feel schools have done a great job of putting plans in place for the benefit of the children, but not us. My students will all be in the same room all day long, but how is that helpful to me when I still travel room to room? I'm not an elementary teacher, I don't teach all major subjects. If I was, it would be much easier because then I know i'm with the same group of kids, in the same classroom all day. But MS and HS teachers have it really bad. Me (math), the SS teacher, the ELA teacher, the Science teacher, talent, whoever supervises for lunch, and anyone else that teaches throughout the day will circulate in and out of that room. My desk will now be used by a MINIMUM of 4 teachers per day. All of the dry erase markers, smart board pens, and other supplies will be touched by various instructors as well. These are all things that I am incredibly anxious about. Not to mention, I will be teaching 3-4 different groups per day, so I will be touching these materials in 3-4 different classrooms per day. Do the math and it won't take a genius to figure out that 15-20 instructors per day will be circulating in and out of those 3-4 classrooms, touching those materials (that typically just one teacher touches every day- because we usually don't circulate around our building. I usually just have my classroom with all of my belongings that I know will be kept clean.) I feel like I'm doomed from the start.
That's where hand washing comes into play. Covid doesn't go through your skin. You can share items with people and never get sick by practicing good hygiene.
Right, but with a typical high school schedule there is not enough time in between classes for anyone to wash their hands.
If you're cycling among classrooms, you don't have a second to spare. Even if you are in the same room all day, you have to be at your door to welcome students and can't leave your classroom at transition anyway.
That's where hand sanitizer comes into play
Yup or alcohol wipes, which I have used for years when I dont have access to a sink. No wonder illness is rampant in schools. Even the teachers weren't practicing good hygiene before this. Hopefully they will now. And I doubt welcoming students at the door is going to be a thing now with social distancing. Maybe in Kindergarten. But high schoolers dont need to be welcomed at the door. Keep wipes in your pocket...wipe and greet. Easy peasy!!
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by Naturalmama
I can tell you that we, as teachers, are absolutely being vilified by parents. Some things I saw on a FB group I am on in the last 24 hours...
- teachers unions better be careful with how they are telling parents teachers are not needed. Teachers don't want to go back to school but they also don't want to live stream remotely. Which leaves a bulk of schooling on the parent, so what is the point of a teacher
- if you are really so essential, you would have properly taught my child remotely in the spring, and more willing to go back to work now.
- teachers are adults, and therefore need to take the proper precautions as responsible adults to protect themselves, while letting the kids get the education they deserve. To quote one mom "your fear is stomping on my kid."
- I am a nurse and risked my life every single day while you all gallivanted around town with no masks & no social distancing, and thought you were helping my clapping at 7 pm and putting hearts in your windows. You needed us, but now we need you to teach our kids and you won't
- I want a portion of my taxes refunded, teachers should get pay cuts if they are unwilling to teach in person.
I am not saying I agree or disagree with some of these statements. But, the reality is MANY parents are beginning to turn on teachers for what they believe is an unwillingness to do their job.
I'm see the same on Facebook too. I work for NYC DOE schools and live on LI and I can see the debate from both perspectives. Parents want their children to be safe and teachers want to feel that they are supported and safe as well.
The comments from parents on Facebook have been surprising to me for a couple of reasons. 1) No one complained about the remote learning in the spring, even though it sucked. But now parents are tearing teachers apart from it.
2) some parents are defending teachers from the spring saying that it wasn't their fault, it was a crazy situation.
3) Some are saying that we aren't entitled to our opinion. Basically any non-positive opinion is teacher bashing. Not true. I have no incentive to teacher bash but I can express that remote learn in the spring was not sufficient, especially since I was live all day with my students doing tele-therapy.
4) I'm surprised at how man people want a hybrid schedule. And are upset that the school isn't pushing that more. From the school's perspective, the planning involved for the hybrid is so much more complicated. And what's the point having your child in school only 2-3 days a week? I know every one has their opinion but I don't get it lol. Our buildings can have full time learning for all K-6 kids while following the DOH guidelines. Parents just seem to be upset about mask wearing being enforced (again, why is your child special and shouldn't be forced to wear a mask?)
I'll be honest, selfishly, I hope people do not push the school to go one way or the other. My son needs his routine back and to be in school 5 days if the district, and me, feels like it will be safe.
We have been extra cautious, not seeing family and friends, no stores, etc. I'll have a newborn in October. But we feel that school in person is a necessity vs eating out or shopping in a store.
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by JennP
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Posted by mommy2be716
Listen, there's a huge difference between saying I'm angry and I'm anxious/nervous. I am in no way saying I don't want to teach my students IN PERSON. Obviously that is what I want, and I don't know anyone that has said different. It's easier in person, wayyyyyy less work/planning for me to go back in person. I've perfected it over the years, my lessons are perfect, etc...I would be putting in way more hours from home to get my lessons perfected for remote learning.
I am nervous, though, because I feel schools have done a great job of putting plans in place for the benefit of the children, but not us. My students will all be in the same room all day long, but how is that helpful to me when I still travel room to room? I'm not an elementary teacher, I don't teach all major subjects. If I was, it would be much easier because then I know i'm with the same group of kids, in the same classroom all day. But MS and HS teachers have it really bad. Me (math), the SS teacher, the ELA teacher, the Science teacher, talent, whoever supervises for lunch, and anyone else that teaches throughout the day will circulate in and out of that room. My desk will now be used by a MINIMUM of 4 teachers per day. All of the dry erase markers, smart board pens, and other supplies will be touched by various instructors as well. These are all things that I am incredibly anxious about. Not to mention, I will be teaching 3-4 different groups per day, so I will be touching these materials in 3-4 different classrooms per day. Do the math and it won't take a genius to figure out that 15-20 instructors per day will be circulating in and out of those 3-4 classrooms, touching those materials (that typically just one teacher touches every day- because we usually don't circulate around our building. I usually just have my classroom with all of my belongings that I know will be kept clean.) I feel like I'm doomed from the start.
That's where hand washing comes into play. Covid doesn't go through your skin. You can share items with people and never get sick by practicing good hygiene.
Right, but with a typical high school schedule there is not enough time in between classes for anyone to wash their hands.
If you're cycling among classrooms, you don't have a second to spare. Even if you are in the same room all day, you have to be at your door to welcome students and can't leave your classroom at transition anyway.
That's where hand sanitizer comes into play
Yup or alcohol wipes, which I have used for years when I dont have access to a sink. No wonder illness is rampant in schools. Even the teachers weren't practicing good hygiene before this. Hopefully they will now. And I doubt welcoming students at the door is going to be a thing now with social distancing. Maybe in Kindergarten. But high schoolers dont need to be welcomed at the door. Keep wipes in your pocket...wipe and greet. Easy peasy!!
Before school let out - my kids were telling me that they were working a lot on appropriate hand washing. I wish they had done that sooner and a lot of school borne illnesses could've been avoided.
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Re: Schools can open
Time will tell as to whether school buildings will actually reopen, or how many will be shut down if they do.
There is a lot at stake behind the school decisions. Not just for teachers and school staff (who should be valued by society), but for society. And yes, this cuts many ways. In normal circumstances, in-person school is optimal for most kids. But now, super-spreading before a treatment, cure, vaccine, or better testing is available could be disastrous.
When this is essentially (over) and we can stop wearing masks, we may look back at lots of unnecessary, irreparable harm that was inflicted.
While many say that a vaccine will be a big, dangerous experiment, I feel that way about physical reopening without all kinds of necessary conditions not being present.
If the numbers and conditions call for it, then, of course schools should try. But I want to see what is in place on lots of fronts and what numbers look like when various districts make decisions, and whether those circumstances are deemed ok for reopening by the majority of experts.
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Posted by seaside
Time will tell as to whether school buildings will actually reopen, or how many will be shut down if they do.
There is a lot at stake behind the school decisions. Not just for teachers and school staff (who should be valued by society), but for society. And yes, this cuts many ways. In normal circumstances, in-person school is optimal for most kids. But now, super-spreading before a treatment, cure, vaccine, or better testing is available could be disastrous.
When this is essentially (over) and we can stop wearing masks, we may look back at lots of unnecessary, irreparable harm that was inflicted.
While many say that a vaccine will be a big, dangerous experiment, I feel that way about physical reopening without all kinds of necessary conditions not being present.
If the numbers and conditions call for it, then, of course schools should try. But I want to see what is in place on lots of fronts and what numbers look like when various districts make decisions, and whether those circumstances are deemed ok for reopening by the majority of experts.
Do you live on Long Island? The numbers call for it.
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| Posted 8/10/20 11:35 AM |
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valentinesbaby
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by seaside
Meanwhile, that Grorgia school in the picture just went to remote learning. Apparently, the photo wasn't the only thing that went viral.
Schools have had a chance to make changes to their plans and provisions. They now still have a chance to make wise decisions based on whether they can follow the guidelines properly.
This pandemic will not last forever. But the consequences of many decisions along the way just might.
For 2 days and they will be back on Wednesday they said this morning.
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| Posted 8/10/20 1:15 PM |
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ave1024
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by mommy2be716
I'm really saddened by this whole thing. They are opening schools to open the economy. More concerned about financial gains than the safety of teachers, students, and other school staff. JMO
Everyone else is back to work. Schools are actually able to follow guidelines better than many other places.
I can’t stand teachers saying they didn’t sign up for this. Do you think the people in public transit signed up for this? They have it a hundred times worse, small tiny confined spaces with hundreds of different people every day.
Did store employees sign up for this? (Especially to make minimum wage?) the list could go on.
The schools should not be closed. There is no reason. They are going above and beyond with precautions compared to other sectors.
I agree with all of this. And the same teachers that say they didn't sign up for this are likely going out, seeing friends, play dates, etc.
I tried to go out to eat on Saturday, restaurants were packed and fully booked. Outdoor AND indoor seating. And I called a few places. Nothing. Everybody and their mother going out but teachers are staying home? Doubt it.
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| Posted 8/10/20 1:34 PM |
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valentinesbaby
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by ave1024
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by mommy2be716
I'm really saddened by this whole thing. They are opening schools to open the economy. More concerned about financial gains than the safety of teachers, students, and other school staff. JMO
Everyone else is back to work. Schools are actually able to follow guidelines better than many other places.
I can’t stand teachers saying they didn’t sign up for this. Do you think the people in public transit signed up for this? They have it a hundred times worse, small tiny confined spaces with hundreds of different people every day.
Did store employees sign up for this? (Especially to make minimum wage?) the list could go on.
The schools should not be closed. There is no reason. They are going above and beyond with precautions compared to other sectors.
I agree with all of this. And the same teachers that say they didn't sign up for this are likely going out, seeing friends, play dates, etc.
I tried to go out to eat on Saturday, restaurants were packed and fully booked. Outdoor AND indoor seating. And I called a few places. Nothing. Everybody and their mother going out but teachers are staying home? Doubt it.
I think this weekend was extra crowded as many did not have power but yes, places are packed and no one is staying home. You want kids to stay away from other kids while they have been seeing others for months now. All makes no sense.
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| Posted 8/10/20 1:44 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by ave1024
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by mommy2be716
I'm really saddened by this whole thing. They are opening schools to open the economy. More concerned about financial gains than the safety of teachers, students, and other school staff. JMO
Everyone else is back to work. Schools are actually able to follow guidelines better than many other places.
I can’t stand teachers saying they didn’t sign up for this. Do you think the people in public transit signed up for this? They have it a hundred times worse, small tiny confined spaces with hundreds of different people every day.
Did store employees sign up for this? (Especially to make minimum wage?) the list could go on.
The schools should not be closed. There is no reason. They are going above and beyond with precautions compared to other sectors.
I agree with all of this. And the same teachers that say they didn't sign up for this are likely going out, seeing friends, play dates, etc.
I tried to go out to eat on Saturday, restaurants were packed and fully booked. Outdoor AND indoor seating. And I called a few places. Nothing. Everybody and their mother going out but teachers are staying home? Doubt it.
You had to see Cape May NJ this weekend. More packed than any previous year I have been there.
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| Posted 8/10/20 1:48 PM |
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JennP
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by JennP
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by mommy2be716
Listen, there's a huge difference between saying I'm angry and I'm anxious/nervous. I am in no way saying I don't want to teach my students IN PERSON. Obviously that is what I want, and I don't know anyone that has said different. It's easier in person, wayyyyyy less work/planning for me to go back in person. I've perfected it over the years, my lessons are perfect, etc...I would be putting in way more hours from home to get my lessons perfected for remote learning.
I am nervous, though, because I feel schools have done a great job of putting plans in place for the benefit of the children, but not us. My students will all be in the same room all day long, but how is that helpful to me when I still travel room to room? I'm not an elementary teacher, I don't teach all major subjects. If I was, it would be much easier because then I know i'm with the same group of kids, in the same classroom all day. But MS and HS teachers have it really bad. Me (math), the SS teacher, the ELA teacher, the Science teacher, talent, whoever supervises for lunch, and anyone else that teaches throughout the day will circulate in and out of that room. My desk will now be used by a MINIMUM of 4 teachers per day. All of the dry erase markers, smart board pens, and other supplies will be touched by various instructors as well. These are all things that I am incredibly anxious about. Not to mention, I will be teaching 3-4 different groups per day, so I will be touching these materials in 3-4 different classrooms per day. Do the math and it won't take a genius to figure out that 15-20 instructors per day will be circulating in and out of those 3-4 classrooms, touching those materials (that typically just one teacher touches every day- because we usually don't circulate around our building. I usually just have my classroom with all of my belongings that I know will be kept clean.) I feel like I'm doomed from the start.
That's where hand washing comes into play. Covid doesn't go through your skin. You can share items with people and never get sick by practicing good hygiene.
Right, but with a typical high school schedule there is not enough time in between classes for anyone to wash their hands.
If you're cycling among classrooms, you don't have a second to spare. Even if you are in the same room all day, you have to be at your door to welcome students and can't leave your classroom at transition anyway.
That's where hand sanitizer comes into play
Yup or alcohol wipes, which I have used for years when I dont have access to a sink. No wonder illness is rampant in schools. Even the teachers weren't practicing good hygiene before this. Hopefully they will now. And I doubt welcoming students at the door is going to be a thing now with social distancing. Maybe in Kindergarten. But high schoolers dont need to be welcomed at the door. Keep wipes in your pocket...wipe and greet. Easy peasy!!
Obviously. I always used hand sanitizer when I was in the classroom.
You were the one who mentioned handwashing which is better anyway.
When I say highschoolers need to be greeted at the door I am saying that that is pretty standard procedure. I have no idea if administrators are relaxing that rule but I highly doubt it. I know my school isn’t.
I feel like this poster’s situation with all this movement is a disaster waiting to happen.
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| Posted 8/10/20 2:03 PM |
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alli3131
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by ave1024
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by mommy2be716
I'm really saddened by this whole thing. They are opening schools to open the economy. More concerned about financial gains than the safety of teachers, students, and other school staff. JMO
Everyone else is back to work. Schools are actually able to follow guidelines better than many other places.
I can’t stand teachers saying they didn’t sign up for this. Do you think the people in public transit signed up for this? They have it a hundred times worse, small tiny confined spaces with hundreds of different people every day.
Did store employees sign up for this? (Especially to make minimum wage?) the list could go on.
The schools should not be closed. There is no reason. They are going above and beyond with precautions compared to other sectors.
I agree with all of this. And the same teachers that say they didn't sign up for this are likely going out, seeing friends, play dates, etc.
I tried to go out to eat on Saturday, restaurants were packed and fully booked. Outdoor AND indoor seating. And I called a few places. Nothing. Everybody and their mother going out but teachers are staying home? Doubt it.
While I know plenty of teachers have stayed home I also know a bunch of very vocal ones that do not want to go back but have been out partying like crazy. Beach, boat, fire island. Those are the ones that are the problem IMO.
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| Posted 8/10/20 2:03 PM |
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Naturalmama
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by alli3131
Posted by ave1024
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by mommy2be716
I'm really saddened by this whole thing. They are opening schools to open the economy. More concerned about financial gains than the safety of teachers, students, and other school staff. JMO
Everyone else is back to work. Schools are actually able to follow guidelines better than many other places.
I can’t stand teachers saying they didn’t sign up for this. Do you think the people in public transit signed up for this? They have it a hundred times worse, small tiny confined spaces with hundreds of different people every day.
Did store employees sign up for this? (Especially to make minimum wage?) the list could go on.
The schools should not be closed. There is no reason. They are going above and beyond with precautions compared to other sectors.
I agree with all of this. And the same teachers that say they didn't sign up for this are likely going out, seeing friends, play dates, etc.
I tried to go out to eat on Saturday, restaurants were packed and fully booked. Outdoor AND indoor seating. And I called a few places. Nothing. Everybody and their mother going out but teachers are staying home? Doubt it.
While I know plenty of teachers have stayed home I also know a bunch of very vocal ones that do not want to go back but have been out partying like crazy. Beach, boat, fire island. Those are the ones that are the problem IMO.
Yes. One of the most vocal took her daughter to Sesame Place for her 3rd birthday, after spending everyday saying she fears for her life if she is forced back to school.
Another teacher has been all over FB posting pictures of her family out east, at restaurants, playgrounds, splash pads, and pool playdates. But she is scared to go back to work. Those who are truly scared are still staying home and socially distancing.
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| Posted 8/10/20 2:07 PM |
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BargainMama
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by alli3131
Posted by ave1024
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by mommy2be716
I'm really saddened by this whole thing. They are opening schools to open the economy. More concerned about financial gains than the safety of teachers, students, and other school staff. JMO
Everyone else is back to work. Schools are actually able to follow guidelines better than many other places.
I can’t stand teachers saying they didn’t sign up for this. Do you think the people in public transit signed up for this? They have it a hundred times worse, small tiny confined spaces with hundreds of different people every day.
Did store employees sign up for this? (Especially to make minimum wage?) the list could go on.
The schools should not be closed. There is no reason. They are going above and beyond with precautions compared to other sectors.
I agree with all of this. And the same teachers that say they didn't sign up for this are likely going out, seeing friends, play dates, etc.
I tried to go out to eat on Saturday, restaurants were packed and fully booked. Outdoor AND indoor seating. And I called a few places. Nothing. Everybody and their mother going out but teachers are staying home? Doubt it.
While I know plenty of teachers have stayed home I also know a bunch of very vocal ones that do not want to go back but have been out partying like crazy. Beach, boat, fire island. Those are the ones that are the problem IMO.
Yes. One of the most vocal took her daughter to Sesame Place for her 3rd birthday, after spending everyday saying she fears for her life if she is forced back to school.
Another teacher has been all over FB posting pictures of her family out east, at restaurants, playgrounds, splash pads, and pool playdates. But she is scared to go back to work. Those who are truly scared are still staying home and socially distancing.
Go figure, right?
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| Posted 8/10/20 2:14 PM |
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beachgirl
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Re: Schools can open
It's a tense situation all around. I feel like most parents were accepting of remote learning or lack thereof back in March as everything was so new, strange and up in the air. Parents threw a bone so to speak at the teachers. Now when there is a possibility of this being more long term and parents having to go back to work tensions are high and parents are stressed and want a safe and workable solutions.
As for the teachers - it's the same with any profession - you will get good ones and bad ones. I have to say I was surprised at how some teachers are strongly stating that they don't feel safe going back to school while they have been posting pictures of days at the beach with groups and extended family vacations. They are 100% entitled to do what they feel comfortable doing over the summer but don't be hypocritical.
Then there are teachers who have been strictly adhering to the rules and genuinely are worried for their safety and I feel bad for them.
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| Posted 8/10/20 2:20 PM |
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ave1024
I Took The Wrong Road
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Re: Schools can open
Posted by BargainMama
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by alli3131
Posted by ave1024
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by mommy2be716
I'm really saddened by this whole thing. They are opening schools to open the economy. More concerned about financial gains than the safety of teachers, students, and other school staff. JMO
Everyone else is back to work. Schools are actually able to follow guidelines better than many other places.
I can’t stand teachers saying they didn’t sign up for this. Do you think the people in public transit signed up for this? They have it a hundred times worse, small tiny confined spaces with hundreds of different people every day.
Did store employees sign up for this? (Especially to make minimum wage?) the list could go on.
The schools should not be closed. There is no reason. They are going above and beyond with precautions compared to other sectors.
I agree with all of this. And the same teachers that say they didn't sign up for this are likely going out, seeing friends, play dates, etc.
I tried to go out to eat on Saturday, restaurants were packed and fully booked. Outdoor AND indoor seating. And I called a few places. Nothing. Everybody and their mother going out but teachers are staying home? Doubt it.
While I know plenty of teachers have stayed home I also know a bunch of very vocal ones that do not want to go back but have been out partying like crazy. Beach, boat, fire island. Those are the ones that are the problem IMO.
Yes. One of the most vocal took her daughter to Sesame Place for her 3rd birthday, after spending everyday saying she fears for her life if she is forced back to school.
Another teacher has been all over FB posting pictures of her family out east, at restaurants, playgrounds, splash pads, and pool playdates. But she is scared to go back to work. Those who are truly scared are still staying home and socially distancing.
Go figure, right?
Yup. I ended up getting take out on Saturday from the restaurant I wanted to dine in at.
I am trying to find a place to go to tonight. Sit down, outdoor preferred. I can't find anything at any place I want to go to. One10, Pomodorino, Besito. All booked. On a Monday. 
Was gonna try Tutto Pazzo but the dumb owner said some stupid shhit that went viral so can't go there now in fear of protesters showing up.
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