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smdl
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Re: Should we restrict kids from flying first class?
I am conflicted on the topic.
1/ if you can afford it why would you not be allowed to have kids there? 1st class is not about "who" should be in it or not. It's about a luxury seat. Why shouldn't kids be on luxury seats?
2/ is 1st class for only certain people? If so, what is the criteria. Because there is ALL kind of people in 1st class. The rich who thinks only rich should be in 1st class, the poor that got a lucky upgrade, the blaze frequent flyer business men that just keep rolling their eyes if they share the plane with "tourists" as if 1st class are only for "serious business" peoplel, etc....
So in theory a child should be there but neither someone who paid for 1st class and gets drunk because the booze is free.
I DO think that there should not be upgrades to 1st class. I think you should pay for it full price and justify it as a true "luxury".
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Posted 7/3/09 7:40 PM |
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saraH
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Re: Should we restrict kids from flying first class?
I think it should be all or nothing.
I think even the most well behaved child will have a meltdown in a matter of seconds if he/she can't have something.
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Posted 7/3/09 8:23 PM |
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4PsInaPod
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Re: Should we restrict kids from flying first class?
I'd rather be trapped in first class with a screaming toddler where I'm comfortable, more leg room, better food, champagne then squished in coach completely miserable with a smelly adult sitting next to me. I think kids are fine in first class,I could care less.
To bad I can't afford first class lol
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Posted 7/3/09 8:55 PM |
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CrankyPants
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Re: Should we restrict kids from flying first class?
Posted by KittyKatCopper
Posted by CrankyPants If you don't want to fly with kids, I say charter your own private jet.
If I could afford to do this i would...haha
So would I sometimes -until then, you (collective you) have to deal with the world and those in it and it includes kids whose parents can afford for their family to fly first class.
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Posted 7/3/09 9:11 PM |
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HillW9608
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Re: Should we restrict kids from flying first class?
Posted by headoverheels
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1st class = no annoying individuals (children and/or adult) if you become annoying you get banned from flying first class.
As it was mentioned I really wish they had "childless" vacation packages for adults who want to have a child free vacation. (parents who need a break and the childless people) I maybe inclined to travel more in the summer then.
try sandals
Or The Royal.. no kids there
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Posted 7/3/09 9:29 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Should we restrict kids from flying first class?
Posted by stickydust
I think it is a shame that we as a society are becoming so increasingly intolerant of children. They are human and part of our society and we have to deal with them just as we have to deal with other segments of society that we may consider "undesirable".
speaking for myself only, it is not that I am intolerant of children, I am however intolerant of parents who can't or chose not to control or discipline their children while in public, particularly in confined spaces, like an airplane.
why is it okay for other people to suffer while the parents do nothing? that's horribly rude and selfish IMO!
I have seen plenty of parents take the correct action when their kids act out or carried on. but I have also seen parents who just ignore their kids bad behavior... and I swear I just want to smack these parents!
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Posted 7/3/09 9:33 PM |
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KittyKatCopper
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Re: Should we restrict kids from flying first class?
Posted by CrankyPants
Posted by KittyKatCopper
Posted by CrankyPants If you don't want to fly with kids, I say charter your own private jet.
If I could afford to do this i would...haha
So would I sometimes -until then, you (collective you) have to deal with the world and those in it and it includes kids whose parents can afford for their family to fly first class.
yes, we all have to get along in the world...but if you are going to be out in public domain that i have to share with you and your children (collective "you" as well)...have respect for me and my feelings as well and understand that not everyone is a kid person...some of us have lower tolerance for their behavior....my Dh & I are not kid people...not having them (yes we are evil apparently..haha)...i understand they have their moments when they meltdown...we have tons of nieces & nephews that we absolutely love...but it all comes down to parenting...we see the kids who are given boundaries & discipline behave wonderfully in public...and when they don't...they are spoken to...then we see the kids whose parents sit there and ignore every bad behavior and never discipline...and we want to scream...
We equate it to pets...we love animals..but we know not everyone is an animal lover and if we took our dogs everywhere with us we'd would be making others uncomfortable...when we do take them out in public they are leashed, we are conscious of those around us & clean up after them..if they start acting like lunatics because of something we make them stop, sit & behave. Now if only everyone could love animals & kids the world would be perfect!!!!
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Posted 7/3/09 9:38 PM |
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MrsR
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Re: Should we restrict kids from flying first class?
I have taken my DD to Israel 3 times. All three times (except one trip on the way home) we flew business class.
We got a lot of looks and comments - but you know what, (I'm in a mood tonight...) anyone who thinks that children dont belong in business or first class can bite me.
It is SOOO much easier, and my DD has been SOOO much better behaved in business class since she has room to sleep and spread out. She isn't kicking anyones chairs, or running up and down the isles.
Why should I be forced to fly coach just because others dont want to be around kids. Maybe they need an adult only section-fine....but to ban families from the option altogether is horrid in my opinion.
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Posted 7/3/09 9:39 PM |
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HillW9608
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Re: Should we restrict kids from flying first class?
Posted by MrsR
I have taken my DD to Israel 3 times. All three times (except one trip on the way home) we flew business class.
We got a lot of looks and comments - but you know what, (I'm in a mood tonight...) anyone who thinks that children dont belong in business or first class can bite me.
It is SOOO much easier, and my DD has been SOOO much better behaved in business class since she has room to sleep and spread out. She isn't kicking anyones chairs, or running up and down the isles.
Why should I be forced to fly coach just because others dont want to be around kids. Maybe they need an adult only section-fine....but to ban families from the option altogether is horrid in my opinion.
I totally agree with this.. I've been on a plane with my DD a handful of times and more room would be wonderful!
If we were taking a long trip and had the money I would def fly business class with my DD.. and my new DC as well.
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Posted 7/3/09 9:42 PM |
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MrsList
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Re: Should we restrict kids from flying first class?
If I see a crying child and that the parents are genuinely trying to calm them down or trying to get them to behave, then it's kind of irritating for me but not something to get worked up about. However, if I see parents just ignoring the crying and bad behavior, this is when I get really annoyed and I think that's why people can be anti-kid sometimes. I think kids should be allowed to be in whatever part of the flight their parents can afford but if their parents can't get them to behave, there should be some consequence. Unfortunately, it would be too subjective to try to determine if the parents were trying hard enough to calm the kid down. Maybe there should be a vote for the people in the 3 rows in front and behind on both sides
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Posted 7/3/09 9:49 PM |
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Merf99
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Re: Should we restrict kids from flying first class?
Posted by MrsR
I have taken my DD to Israel 3 times. All three times (except one trip on the way home) we flew business class.
We got a lot of looks and comments - but you know what, (I'm in a mood tonight...) anyone who thinks that children dont belong in business or first class can bite me.
It is SOOO much easier, and my DD has been SOOO much better behaved in business class since she has room to sleep and spread out. She isn't kicking anyones chairs, or running up and down the isles.
Why should I be forced to fly coach just because others dont want to be around kids. Maybe they need an adult only section-fine....but to ban families from the option altogether is horrid in my opinion.
I 100% agree. Between my husband and I we have about a million airmiles (he flies a ton for work). I think all but 1 of DD's flights have been flown first class - and we've taken about 12-14 trips in her lifetime already. Most of the time she's great, sometimes she acts up. If you don;t like it - too bad. Trust me - it's much worse for ME to have to deal with than for you to have to listen to. I try to quiet her down just as much as I would as if we were in coach. Does that mean that the people in first class shouldn't have to deal with a kid because they paid more money for a seat? I think not.
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Posted 7/3/09 9:51 PM |
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stickydust
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Re: Should we restrict kids from flying first class?
Posted by SweetestOfPeas
Posted by stickydust
I think it is a shame that we as a society are becoming so increasingly intolerant of children. They are human and part of our society and we have to deal with them just as we have to deal with other segments of society that we may consider "undesirable".
speaking for myself only, it is not that I am intolerant of children, I am however intolerant of parents who can't or chose not to control or discipline their children while in public, particularly in confined spaces, like an airplane.
why is it okay for other people to suffer while the parents do nothing? that's horribly rude and selfish IMO!
I have seen plenty of parents take the correct action when their kids act out or carried on. but I have also seen parents who just ignore their kids bad behavior... and I swear I just want to smack these parents!
See, I agree with you but that is not the perspective that has been shared on here as of late. Rather what has been said in other threads recently is that because with children the "potential" exists for them to act out then they should be banned completely regardless of how they behave or the actions their parents may take to mitigate that behavior. To me, it is like saying that because SOME people on a plane may not be able to control their alcohol then ALL alcohol should be banned because of the existence of the potential for unruly behavior KWIM?
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Posted 7/3/09 10:06 PM |
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lilacwine
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Re: Should we restrict kids from flying first class?
Posted by stickydust
To me, it is like saying that because SOME people on a plane may not be able to control their alcohol then ALL alcohol should be banned because of the existence of the potential for unruly behavior KWIM?
That actually happens. DH's friends (10+ of them) were on a flight to a bachelor party and the flight crew refused to serve alcohol to anyone on the flight because of them.
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Posted 7/3/09 11:06 PM |
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Shelly
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Re: Should we restrict kids from flying first class?
For the original question, I wouldn't take my DD on first class, because of her behavior at this point. However, my sister travels with my neice and nephew on first class and they are fine. They get the kids their own seats. If they can afford it, why not. First class offers you bigger seats, and better food and drink. Not a quiet cabin. Until you are banning obnoxious, loud people from first class- kids should be allowed.
But i want to address something. There are plenty of parents, like me, who struggle with thier kids behavior. Its not that I think my daughter's behavior is cute when she misbehaves- in fact, I am ALWAYS thinking about and and trying to analyze the best way to handle it. Its a never ending process. In fact, having a newborn in many ways is a lot easier than a toddler because the responsibilty of weighing teaching your child right from wrong all the time is often juxtaposed with the "public" need for quiet and a non-screaming child. Its often contradictory.
I have a young child (3 years old). She had a speech delay, sensory issues and is very emotional. Teaching her proper behavior is an ongoing process. Sometimes she is great. Sometimes she isn't. At home, when she misbehaves, I teach her the "right" thing to do. It sometimes ends up in a few minutes of tears and crying and sometimes even screaming. But I want to teach her that tears and crying aren't going to get her what she wants. Good behavior does.
So when we are out in public, I have two choices when she does something "wrong". I can continue my usual course of discipline- which will result in her crying. But its the "right" thing to do. Or I can give in and keep her quiet. Which is worse- A screaming child because her parent is discipliing her, or a quiet child not learning the right lesson?
Now I live in the city. I take her on public transportation all the time. This is a constant issue for me. Now, at restaurants, she knows how to behave and when she doesnt, I can take her outside. But on places like a bus, or a plane, its a tough choice. So please, don't think that just because a child misbehaves, that a parent doesn't care or thinks their behavior is adorable. At least for me, its something I am constantly strategizing about - the best way to impose good behavior and the best way not to bother the other people around us.
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Posted 7/4/09 7:35 AM |
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Erica
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Re: Should we restrict kids from flying first class?
Posted by CrankyPants
I find this article so elitist
ITA with you!
and the ironic part...if it's business people that a child might disturb...shouldn't they be supporters of capitalism? If the parent has the money - they fly first class.
We flew first class as kids all the time when my dad worked for American airlines...my mom said that passengers would always come up to her and comment on how well behaved my siste and I were.
My older son is great on all plane rides - at every age - #2 - not so much... it's classic agism to judge someone based on their age.
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