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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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The Yankees aren't rich because of NY. They are a successful organization that puts a good product on the field that people choose to support. I can't stand the Yankees, but they they had an owner that invested in them and made him and many other people lots of money.
The correlation was that the poster said that no one should make millions of dollars a year. I was just wondering if it is no one or just athletes.
Steinbrenner & a bunch of investors bought the Yankees for 10mil. They made the NY Yankees a brand not just a team. But we the tax payer buy it purchase it & allow it. So u bi!ch about cops salary but hey its ok to spend 200 bucks on a Yankee Jersey & 500 bucks for 2 tickets. hmmmm priorties folks
I don't know how hard this is to understand, but you CHOOSE to do those things. I am FORCED to pay a lot of money towards taxes.
Yes - they should be FORCED to pay an additional tax towards our city.
ETA - that this is IMO 
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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Ophelia just said that if every New Yorker kicked in $10 we'd make a windfall.
These athletes are famous because of the fans - the fans in the city in which they play. I'm sorry - 100m? Give a mill to the city who made you rich.
The fans choose to spend money on jersey's, games, and merchandise. I don't pay their salary, I have no problem with the money they make. Should Bill Gates or Steve Jobs not make the amount of money they do?
I don't get the correlation between gates and sports? The Yankees are rich because of the City of New York.
I don't really think Gates is a good example since he and his wife are the biggest philanthropists out there. And like this poster said...it is not this state or city that keep Gates in business...Yankees more so
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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Although, as I watched a cop blow a light only to end up at the same deli as I did, I can see why that is stressful.
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SORRY THIS IS JUST DUMB! Seriously? I would love to see you do what they do. Yup thats right. I want to see you jump fences & chase a guy 4 blocks because he was selling drugs to an undercover & then ran when he got spooked. Then i want you to be the wife when u get that call, that because he was jumping fences & chasing dealers he jumped the guy & well maybe he got hurt. There is blood & not sure if its due to teh dealer. YES DEAR I WAS THAT WIFE! U have no idea what stress is & yes Im a senior accountant & its tax season!!! NOT EVEN CLOSE
So that would give me the right to drive through red lights? I understand that they have tough jobs and I respect them greatly. I don't think that they can break the laws of the road and get a free pass from it. My comment wasn't really serious (although it did happen), but I will defend what I said.
Random everday folk do it. Shoot i do it sometimes. Of course its not right. But seriously to make that statement & refer to it as stressful facetiously - DUMB
I agree it was dumb that I would write that, but it was to stir the pot a little. Random folk do it and they get tickets. They do a great job, but sometimes they should lead by example as well.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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The Yankees aren't rich because of NY. They are a successful organization that puts a good product on the field that people choose to support. I can't stand the Yankees, but they they had an owner that invested in them and made him and many other people lots of money.
The correlation was that the poster said that no one should make millions of dollars a year. I was just wondering if it is no one or just athletes.
Steinbrenner & a bunch of investors bought the Yankees for 10mil. They made the NY Yankees a brand not just a team. But we the tax payer buy it purchase it & allow it. So u bi!ch about cops salary but hey its ok to spend 200 bucks on a Yankee Jersey & 500 bucks for 2 tickets. hmmmm priorties folks
I don't know how hard this is to understand, but you CHOOSE to do those things. I am FORCED to pay a lot of money towards taxes.
Yes - they should be FORCED to pay an additional tax towards our city.
ETA - that this is IMO
They do pay more taxes because they make more money. In fact, that is one of the few reason a player wouldn't sign in NY, because the taxes are high. They may take less money in another state, but it will equate to more due to the difference in taxes. That may be a little off point, but they do pay more taxes.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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Ophelia just said that if every New Yorker kicked in $10 we'd make a windfall.
These athletes are famous because of the fans - the fans in the city in which they play. I'm sorry - 100m? Give a mill to the city who made you rich.
The fans choose to spend money on jersey's, games, and merchandise. I don't pay their salary, I have no problem with the money they make. Should Bill Gates or Steve Jobs not make the amount of money they do?
I don't get the correlation between gates and sports? The Yankees are rich because of the City of New York.
The Yankees aren't rich because of NY. They are a successful organization that puts a good product on the field that people choose to support. I can't stand the Yankees, but they they had an owner that invested in them and made him and many other people lots of money.
The correlation was that the poster said that no one should make millions of dollars a year. I was just wondering if it is no one or just athletes.
That was me, and I meant no one deserves that kind of money. I'm not trying to single out athletes.
The widening gap between the haves and the have-nots in today's world is breathtaking. Some 400 people on the Forbes list of richest Americans have a net worth in excess of $1 billion. At least seven hedge fund managers earned more than $1 billion just in 2009. Unfathomably, and unfairly, they paid less than half the marginal income tax rate on their earnings that most of the rest of us do, for no rational or justifiable reason.
And the fact is, they didn't really earn it themselves, no matter what their initial circumstances. They earned it with the help and support of many people along the way, including the kindness of strangers. In many cases, they earned it on the backs of others who barely earned anything, or they simply inherited it. Either way, their extraordinary good fortune was hardly just a function of their intrinsic skill or talent or their hard work.
As for your point about the athlete who is using his money for charity, that's great. But truthfully, unless he is spending the VAST MAJORITY of his money on charity, it still doesn't seem fair. Even Bill Gates, who has given almost 30 billion dollars to charity, still has 54 billion dollars left. That is completely unreasonable to me when sixteen thousand children around the world die every day from diseases related to hunger, ten million people a year die from poverty related causes, and more than a billion subsist on the equivalent of less than $1 a day. NOT to mention the fact that we're quibbling over the pensions of city workers who earn five figure salaries.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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That was me, and I meant no one deserves that kind of money. I'm not trying to single out athletes.
The widening gap between the haves and the have-nots in today's world is breathtaking. Some 400 people on the Forbes list of richest Americans have a net worth in excess of $1 billion. At least seven hedge fund managers earned more than $1 billion just in 2009. Unfathomably, and unfairly, they paid less than half the marginal income tax rate on their earnings that most of the rest of us do, for no rational or justifiable reason.
And the fact is, they didn't really earn it themselves, no matter what their initial circumstances. They earned it with the help and support of many people along the way, including the kindness of strangers. In many cases, they earned it on the backs of others who barely earned anything, or they simply inherited it. Either way, their extraordinary good fortune was hardly just a function of their intrinsic skill or talent or their hard work.
As for your point about the athlete who is using his money for charity, that's great. But truthfully, unless he is spending the VAST MAJORITY of his money on charity, it still doesn't seem fair. Even Bill Gates, who has given almost 30 billion dollars to charity, still has 54 billion dollars left. That is completely unreasonable to me when sixteen thousand children around the world die every day from diseases related to hunger, ten million people a year die from poverty related causes, and more than a billion subsist on the equivalent of less than $1 a day. NOT to mention the fact that we're quibbling over the pensions of city workers who earn five figure salaries.
I suppose I am just a fan of capitalism. I want to think that I can one day make millions of dollars a year (hey, I can dream.) If I found a way to do that, would I not deserve it?
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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That was me, and I meant no one deserves that kind of money. I'm not trying to single out athletes.
The widening gap between the haves and the have-nots in today's world is breathtaking. Some 400 people on the Forbes list of richest Americans have a net worth in excess of $1 billion. At least seven hedge fund managers earned more than $1 billion just in 2009. Unfathomably, and unfairly, they paid less than half the marginal income tax rate on their earnings that most of the rest of us do, for no rational or justifiable reason.
And the fact is, they didn't really earn it themselves, no matter what their initial circumstances. They earned it with the help and support of many people along the way, including the kindness of strangers. In many cases, they earned it on the backs of others who barely earned anything, or they simply inherited it. Either way, their extraordinary good fortune was hardly just a function of their intrinsic skill or talent or their hard work.
As for your point about the athlete who is using his money for charity, that's great. But truthfully, unless he is spending the VAST MAJORITY of his money on charity, it still doesn't seem fair. Even Bill Gates, who has given almost 30 billion dollars to charity, still has 54 billion dollars left. That is completely unreasonable to me when sixteen thousand children around the world die every day from diseases related to hunger, ten million people a year die from poverty related causes, and more than a billion subsist on the equivalent of less than $1 a day. NOT to mention the fact that we're quibbling over the pensions of city workers who earn five figure salaries.
I suppose I am just a fan of capitalism. I want to think that I can one day make millions of dollars a year (hey, I can dream.) If I found a way to do that, would I not deserve it?
A million? Sure. Fifty million? Not so much. I just don't think anyone deserves that much money.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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I suppose I am just a fan of capitalism. I want to think that I can one day make millions of dollars a year (hey, I can dream.) If I found a way to do that, would I not deserve it?
A million? Sure. Fifty million? Not so much. I just don't think anyone deserves that much money.
I guess we'll have to just agree to disagree.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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I suppose I am just a fan of capitalism. I want to think that I can one day make millions of dollars a year (hey, I can dream.) If I found a way to do that, would I not deserve it?
A million? Sure. Fifty million? Not so much. I just don't think anyone deserves that much money.
I guess we'll have to just agree to disagree.
I guess so! 
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by SlurpeeDad
I suppose I am just a fan of capitalism. I want to think that I can one day make millions of dollars a year (hey, I can dream.) If I found a way to do that, would I not deserve it?
I am not a fan of capitalism in the way that we practice it, which is half assed btw.
I am a fan of ingenuity. i have am fan of working hard and achieving your goals.
but on the backs of whom? these corporations are becoming to my eyes more and more analgous to the fiefdoms of the dark ages.
and we allow it b/c they represent a dream to us. of what we can do if we just "work hard" but I believe that is bull ****. migrant farm workers work HARD. they will never see bill gates money. my MIL worked HARD in a factory, yet her ss check doesn't cover her RENT. per month.
so call me a socialist. call me a commie. call me disenchanted. I don't care. I'd rather wave a red flag than a white one.
but, this is a complete tangent, so I am going to try to get back on course. I have a sleeping baby AND a sleeping husband tonight! 
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by mom2aidan
What's been stated here about the "so-called" Christmas bonus is fact.
The city borrowed their pension money in 1968 with the promise of repaying it to retired members at $12,000 a year. BTW they've made 4bill since 1986 - who knows how much the city made before then.
Ophelia - I hear you about the unions - but I want to point out that the FDNY and NYPD unions decided to keep quiet about the $12,000 dispute and they did so UNTIL Bloomberg called it a Christmas bonus - and then they could no longer keep quiet because he LIED to the people of NYC.
He is disgusting.
I did some reading about it and I have some questions that no one has been able to answer on this thread yet. maybe you can.
I would be curious to know if the pay outs the union members have already received since the loan have totalled the amount loaned out.
is the city still making money on this money? is the fund making enough to support every fire fighter and corrections officer and police officer getting 12k every year? 
b/c I have to say (and I really hope people will read and understand what I am saying before getting nutso) if that is NOT the case, if the city is using other funds to pay these payouts then the mayor DOES have a point.
whether we like it or not, there is a finite pot of money. and if someone gets 35% of the pot, that means there is only 65% left, and then someone else wants another 35% and then there's only 30...and that has to be divided again.
I understand that NO ONE wants to lose money. but when you do PURE math, without the emotions, using blinders...the picture painted is different.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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I did some reading about it and I have some questions that no one has been able to answer on this thread yet. maybe you can.
I would be curious to know if the pay outs the union members have already received since the loan have totalled the amount loaned out.
is the city still making money on this money? is the fund making enough to support every fire fighter and corrections officer and police officer getting 12k every year?
b/c I have to say (and I really hope people will read and understand what I am saying before getting nutso) if that is NOT the case, if the city is using other funds to pay these payouts then the mayor DOES have a point.
I was not going to answer at all at this thread. There are so many different issues being addressed and unfortunately I personally cannot believe some of the demeaning comments some people have made. It's a given that not everyone on this site will agree with each other but you can express your views objectively and agree to disagree.
I also personally believe that if anyone has accepted a job with certain benefits even after retirement when they were employed, those benefits should not be taken away. They should make amends for the new employees and let them decide if what the job entails with benefits offered is something they want.
As far as the infamous bonus...it's not a bonus. It's just so happens that it's sent out around that time. As someone from the FDNY mentioned, he said(can't remember his name since I read it a few days ago) they can send them out in July as far as all of them were concerned.
The city actually has a binding legal agreement with these unions and has made a very profitable revenue for many years. Since the market is in total shambles, the money invested is not generating the revenues they need. The city has NOT contributed since 1996 to pay for this benefit. The benefit has been fully funded by FDNY/NYPD since then so I'd think that no city services need to be cut if it's really in regards to this. There are many, many other city programs that can be looked into before they even try to cut education resources. I read some of this information online. I think the unions of those involved are upset because the information given to the public is erroneous. And I don't blame them for being upset either.JMHO.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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I did some reading about it and I have some questions that no one has been able to answer on this thread yet. maybe you can.
I would be curious to know if the pay outs the union members have already received since the loan have totalled the amount loaned out.
is the city still making money on this money? is the fund making enough to support every fire fighter and corrections officer and police officer getting 12k every year?
b/c I have to say (and I really hope people will read and understand what I am saying before getting nutso) if that is NOT the case, if the city is using other funds to pay these payouts then the mayor DOES have a point.
I was not going to answer at all at this thread. There are so many different issues being addressed and unfortunately I personally cannot believe some of the demeaning comments some people have made. It's a given that not everyone on this site will agree with each other but you can express your views objectively and agree to disagree.
I also personally believe that if anyone has accepted a job with certain benefits even after retirement when they were employed, those benefits should not be taken away. They should make amends for the new employees and let them decide if what the job entails with benefits offered is something they want.
As far as the infamous bonus...it's not a bonus. It's just so happens that it's sent out around that time. As someone from the FDNY mentioned, he said(can't remember his name since I read it a few days ago) they can send them out in July as far as all of them were concerned.
The city actually has a binding legal agreement with these unions and has made a very profitable revenue for many years. Since the market is in total shambles, the money invested is not generating the revenues they need. The city has NOT contributed since 1996 to pay for this benefit. The benefit has been fully funded by FDNY/NYPD since then so I'd think that no city services need to be cut if it's really in regards to this. There are many, many other city programs that can be looked into before they even try to cut education resources. I read some of this information online. I think the unions of those involved are upset because the information given to the public is erroneous. And I don't blame them for being upset either.JMHO.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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Posted by SlurpeeDad
I suppose I am just a fan of capitalism. I want to think that I can one day make millions of dollars a year (hey, I can dream.) If I found a way to do that, would I not deserve it?
I am not a fan of capitalism in the way that we practice it, which is half assed btw.
I am a fan of ingenuity. i have am fan of working hard and achieving your goals.
but on the backs of whom? these corporations are becoming to my eyes more and more analgous to the fiefdoms of the dark ages.
and we allow it b/c they represent a dream to us. of what we can do if we just "work hard" but I believe that is bull ****. migrant farm workers work HARD. they will never see bill gates money. my MIL worked HARD in a factory, yet her ss check doesn't cover her RENT. per month.
so call me a socialist. call me a commie. call me disenchanted. I don't care. I'd rather wave a red flag than a white one.
but, this is a complete tangent, so I am going to try to get back on course. I have a sleeping baby AND a sleeping husband tonight!
Sorry to continue the tangent but socialism/communism seems to have the same problem you see in capitalism. In theory communism may sound good but not so much in practice. Coming from a family who actually experienced communism for many years I would rather have our flawed form of capitalism than a flawed form of communism. At least with cpitalism there can be hope. My grandfather came to this country in his 40s not speaking a word of english, a political exile from a communist country with only the shirt off his back, and was able to become very successful.
I apologize for the tangent but it is very personal to me when people throw around communism/socialism casually as a preferred alternative without knowing what it really means to live under such a regime.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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Posted by Ophelia
Posted by SlurpeeDad
I suppose I am just a fan of capitalism. I want to think that I can one day make millions of dollars a year (hey, I can dream.) If I found a way to do that, would I not deserve it?
I am not a fan of capitalism in the way that we practice it, which is half assed btw.
I am a fan of ingenuity. i have am fan of working hard and achieving your goals.
but on the backs of whom? these corporations are becoming to my eyes more and more analgous to the fiefdoms of the dark ages.
and we allow it b/c they represent a dream to us. of what we can do if we just "work hard" but I believe that is bull ****. migrant farm workers work HARD. they will never see bill gates money. my MIL worked HARD in a factory, yet her ss check doesn't cover her RENT. per month.
so call me a socialist. call me a commie. call me disenchanted. I don't care. I'd rather wave a red flag than a white one.
but, this is a complete tangent, so I am going to try to get back on course. I have a sleeping baby AND a sleeping husband tonight!
Sorry to continue the tangent but socialism/communism seems to have the same problem you see in capitalism. In theory communism may sound good but not so much in practice. Coming from a family who actually experienced communism for many years I would rather have our flawed form of capitalism than a flawed form of communism. At least with cpitalism there can be hope. My grandfather came to this country in his 40s not speaking a word of english, a political exile from a communist country with only the shirt off his back, and was able to become very successful.
I apologize for the tangent but it is very personal to me when people throw around communism/socialism casually as a preferred alternative without knowing what it really means to live under such a regime.
let me just say, as the first person who said "call me a socialist or a commie," that i certainly did NOT mean that i am a socialist or a commie. in fact, i was making light of people who will generally jump to terms like that when they're not really relevant. i believe in a limited capitalist state. i just think that what some people are making at this point has gotten beyond excessive. the very rich should have enough to live very luxuriously and provide a substantial inheritance for their children and grandchildren. however, there comes a point where it no longer makes sense to keep earning money and not giving it away, especially when millions of people are dying of poverty related diseases. something in the system should be changed, and i'm not saying that the answer is we should become a communist state.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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I can't wait for DH to retire in 9 years! The NYPD is going to be such a $hit show with the crap they are hiring now. You get what you pay for and that's why now they are taking people on the job who have misdemeanors on their records.
That statement is insulting to anyone who has a family member who just graduated the Academy. My nephew graduated at the end of December, he is a college grad, who could not get a job in his field. So he joined the NYPD.
I do not consider him crap and find it very insulting that you do. I am sure there are others onhere who may have family new to the force also. I am flabbergasted by this comment.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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Quote by Mommyto2boys:
I can't wait for DH to retire in 9 years! The NYPD is going to be such a $hit show with the crap they are hiring now. You get what you pay for and that's why now they are taking people on the job who have misdemeanors on their records.
That statement is insulting to anyone who has a family member who just graduated the Academy. My nephew graduated at the end of December, he is a college grad, who could not get a job in his field. So he joined the NYPD.
I do not consider him crap and find it very insulting that you do. I am sure there are others onhere who may have family new to the force also. I am flabbergasted by this comment.
Im sure there are a few graduates who well qualified that join the dept, however what pp was stating b4 u took it out of context is you are not getting the whole graduating class as the creme of the crop so to speak..
If the mayor keeps reducing benefits to the nypd, nycd and fdny with a low paying job who will take these jobs in the future? The city will practially take anyone if this continues to happen
I wasnt going to post anymore on this ridiculous topic that has gone in several directions but some of these replys are just outrageous.
My husband works in nyc corrections and i cannot tell u how dangerous it is to work in the jails.. The jails have become so violent bc of all the cuts the mayor has done.. its getting to be as bad as it was in the 70's and 80's
To the ignorant people who posted that the CO's or PO's knew what they were getting into should get their facts straight. When dh was hired 12 yrs ago there would be 20 inmates to 2 officers, TODAY bc bloomberg thinks its a great idea to save money for the city (for the city that supposedly doesnt have the money) he cut those posts down to 1 officer to 40 inmates.
Guess what people??? there are riots - there are slashings, there are officers getting hurt and cant work. The inmates are practically taking over the jails. Officers have fractured orbits of the eyes, fractured zygomas, stabbings, urine and feces thrown at them, - i can go on and on.... why ? bc they dont have the MANPOWER anymore bc bloomberg thinks its cutting costs by reducing the officers on post.
Guess what happens to those officers that get slashed, get broken faces, get stabbed etc? they cant work.. guess what happens if they cant work? come on brilliant people... im sure u can figure this out.. people who cant work their post need to have someone there to try to maintain some type of order b4 another riot happens..
For those who say no way that doesnt happen - ask someone whose in corrections.. there are at least 3-4 stabbings/slashings/attempted murders within the facilities every WEEK
OVERTIME.. yea bloomberg nice going.. u cut posts, get an officer disabled and get to pay overtime to another officer for not days but weeks and months..
I dont see where he is cutting costs. bc its costing the city a heck of a lot more by cutting all those posts and then paying overtime..
thats it - i have nothing more to say.. If U dont know what ur talking about or u think u maybe know - dont say anything - unless u live it, see it and breathe it dont attempt to make a discussion out of it..
The cuts that bloomberg has made to city agencies has cost more in the long run not just fincially but to the safety of the men and women in the departments.
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| Posted 2/23/11 4:17 AM |
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IrishLasss334
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by THUMPER
Quote by Mommyto2boys:
I can't wait for DH to retire in 9 years! The NYPD is going to be such a $hit show with the crap they are hiring now. You get what you pay for and that's why now they are taking people on the job who have misdemeanors on their records.
That statement is insulting to anyone who has a family member who just graduated the Academy. My nephew graduated at the end of December, he is a college grad, who could not get a job in his field. So he joined the NYPD.
I do not consider him crap and find it very insulting that you do. I am sure there are others onhere who may have family new to the force also. I am flabbergasted by this comment.
Noone is insulting your nephew and no one is saying EVERYONE that comes from the academy is cr@p. Of course not everyone is bad. Just like not all cops are bad, not all doctors are bad, not all lawyers are shady, etc. Two classes ago I had a cousin who graduated, of course, he is a great guy with a great education. A very good girlfriend graduated 2 years ago - and she just left and took her NYPD training to the Austin Police Dept for more money and better pension.
What has been happening for the past three years is the standards have been dropped for the physical, education and background requirements to attract people to apply because the benefits and the pay keep dropping and it was harder and harder to get quality people, like your nephew to apply and then to stay. The good ones, are on for a few years and then go to Nassau or Suffolk, Westchester, where the pay is better and the stress is less, and the standards are higher.
They are rushing people through the approval process to squeeze them into the academy, without full background checks. The physical exam to pass the academy is a joke now compared to when my husband had to do it, only 7 years ago. That means my husband and your nephew's safety is at stake. Safety should never be something tobe compromised.
It doesn't mean YOUR nephew isn't going to be a great, smart, physically able police officer. It means that guys who have criminal records, who don't have his education, who aren't as smart, who don't have the character or fortitude for this job, or the physical capabilities graduated right along with him. You need to have street smarts..not gang affiliation. There will be less quality to make up for the quantity as years go on.
These are things you nephew would not have experienced, he didn't have to go through the old requirements. Once he has some more time on the street, he might be on an Impact Unit working 6pm-2am, he will experience first hand the people we are talking about that he graduated with and before him...and more will come after him as the standards keep dropping.
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| Posted 2/23/11 7:30 AM |
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IrishLasss334
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by IrishLass
Posted by THUMPER
Quote by Mommyto2boys:
I can't wait for DH to retire in 9 years! The NYPD is going to be such a $hit show with the crap they are hiring now. You get what you pay for and that's why now they are taking people on the job who have misdemeanors on their records.
That statement is insulting to anyone who has a family member who just graduated the Academy. My nephew graduated at the end of December, he is a college grad, who could not get a job in his field. So he joined the NYPD.
I do not consider him crap and find it very insulting that you do. I am sure there are others onhere who may have family new to the force also. I am flabbergasted by this comment.
Noone is insulting your nephew and no one is saying EVERYONE that comes from the academy is cr@p. Of course not everyone is bad. Just like not all cops are bad, not all doctors are bad, not all lawyers are shady, etc. Two classes ago I had a cousin who graduated, of course, he is a great guy with a great education. A very good girlfriend graduated 2 years ago - and she just left and took her NYPD training to the Austin Police Dept for more money and better pension.
What has been happening for the past three years is the standards have been dropped for the physical, education and background requirements to attract people to apply because the benefits and the pay keep dropping and it was harder and harder to get quality people, like your nephew to apply and then to stay. The good ones, are on for a few years and then go to Nassau or Suffolk, Westchester, where the pay is better and the stress is less, and the standards are higher.
They are rushing people through the approval process to squeeze them into the academy, without full background checks. The physical exam to pass the academy is a joke now compared to when my husband had to do it, only 7 years ago. That means my husband and your nephew's safety is at stake. Safety should never be something tobe compromised.
It doesn't mean YOUR nephew isn't going to be a great, smart, physically able police officer. It means that guys who have criminal records, who don't have his education, who aren't as smart, who don't have the character or fortitude for this job, or the physical capabilities graduated right along with him. You need to have street smarts..not gang affiliation. There will be less quality to make up for the quantity as years go on.
These are things you nephew would not have experienced, he didn't have to go through the old requirements. Once he has some more time on the street, he might be on an Impact Unit working 6pm-2am, he will experience first hand the people we are talking about that he graduated with and before him...and more will come after him as the standards keep dropping.
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| Posted 2/23/11 7:33 AM |
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Ophelia
she's baaccckkkk ;)
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remember, when Gulliver traveled....
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by stickydust
Sorry to continue the tangent but socialism/communism seems to have the same problem you see in capitalism. In theory communism may sound good but not so much in practice. Coming from a family who actually experienced communism for many years I would rather have our flawed form of capitalism than a flawed form of communism. At least with cpitalism there can be hope. My grandfather came to this country in his 40s not speaking a word of english, a political exile from a communist country with only the shirt off his back, and was able to become very successful.
I apologize for the tangent but it is very personal to me when people throw around communism/socialism casually as a preferred alternative without knowing what it really means to live under such a regime.
sorry. my post was not to be taken literally. I do not consider myself a communist and I did not mean for it to come across that way.
I said "call me" one, not I call myself one. and I do not believe it is a preferred alternative.
what I would prefer, and would like to see is the following:
corporate loopholes closed up and these people making billions off the backs of our dollars pay their share already! enough is enough.
I would like to see the American people willing to pay the WORTH of an item that their fellow neighbors made. and not be content to have the job shipped to another country so they can pay less and so the corporation can pay more.
why can't capitalism mean that for us as a country? that we'll pay more but the people around us will HAVE JOBS and make more money doing it?
why can't a corporate officer be satisfied with making 5 million rather than 10 million but have the knowlege that they are giving back to their country?
the words socialist and communist are thrown at me all the time b/c I do not believe in the STARK inequality. I don't believe in letting corporations get over, for the sake of job creation, which is a complete ******** story. it's greed. pure and simple.
there has to be a happy medium. like Scandanavia or Switzerland. I really believe we could learn a lot from their model.
b/c it's time to face facts, most people in this country are NOT thriving.
we are not willing to pay the piper.
Message edited 2/23/2011 8:56:09 AM.
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| Posted 2/23/11 8:51 AM |
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IrishLasss334
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by Ophelia
we are not willing to pay the piper.
I agree with you.
I'm still looking for the "like" button on here.
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| Posted 2/23/11 8:54 AM |
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Ophelia
she's baaccckkkk ;)
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by MrsFresca
I was not going to answer at all at this thread. There are so many different issues being addressed and unfortunately I personally cannot believe some of the demeaning comments some people have made. It's a given that not everyone on this site will agree with each other but you can express your views objectively and agree to disagree.
I also personally believe that if anyone has accepted a job with certain benefits even after retirement when they were employed, those benefits should not be taken away. They should make amends for the new employees and let them decide if what the job entails with benefits offered is something they want.
As far as the infamous bonus...it's not a bonus. It's just so happens that it's sent out around that time. As someone from the FDNY mentioned, he said(can't remember his name since I read it a few days ago) they can send them out in July as far as all of them were concerned.
The city actually has a binding legal agreement with these unions and has made a very profitable revenue for many years. Since the market is in total shambles, the money invested is not generating the revenues they need. The city has NOT contributed since 1996 to pay for this benefit. The benefit has been fully funded by FDNY/NYPD since then so I'd think that no city services need to be cut if it's really in regards to this. There are many, many other city programs that can be looked into before they even try to cut education resources. I read some of this information online. I think the unions of those involved are upset because the information given to the public is erroneous. And I don't blame them for being upset either.JMHO.
first, I really hope you are not taking any of my comments to be demeaning b/c I certainly don't mean them to be and I don't want what I am saying lumped into what others are saying, since you quoted me and said that.
secondly, I dont' really understand the math in all of this to please bear with me.
if the city is not contributing any money, then what is the problem.
where is the 12k coming from? from the unions? then how could the city even get its hands on it?
it seemed to me from what I've read that the city agreed to pay 12k out from the dividends of the investment, but MY question is this...is this fund EARNING enough to guarantee that each person gets that 12k every year, and if NOT, WHERE are the make up funds coming from?
bc if they ARE coming from the city, any place OTHER than the dividends of the fund, the mayor IMO still has a valid point.
I am still hoping someone will help me understand this b/c this is not my strong suit.
thanks.
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| Posted 2/23/11 9:01 AM |
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WNA01
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by Ophelia
if the city is not contributing any money, then what is the problem.
where is the 12k coming from? from the unions? then how could the city even get its hands on it?
it seemed to me from what I've read that the city agreed to pay 12k out from the dividends of the investment, but MY question is this...is this fund EARNING enough to guarantee that each person gets that 12k every year, and if NOT, WHERE are the make up funds coming from?
bc if they ARE coming from the city, any place OTHER than the dividends of the fund, the mayor IMO still has a valid point.
I am still hoping someone will help me understand this b/c this is not my strong suit.
thanks.
I can only answer for corrections. for the past several years until the year 2020 nyc correction retirees will not be paid the 12k a year bc fund has not done well at all. They will supposedly reinstate it in 2020
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| Posted 2/23/11 9:09 AM |
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SlurpeeDad
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by Ophelia
first, I really hope you are not taking any of my comments to be demeaning b/c I certainly don't mean them to be and I don't want what I am saying lumped into what others are saying, since you quoted me and said that.
secondly, I dont' really understand the math in all of this to please bear with me.
if the city is not contributing any money, then what is the problem.
where is the 12k coming from? from the unions? then how could the city even get its hands on it?
it seemed to me from what I've read that the city agreed to pay 12k out from the dividends of the investment, but MY question is this...is this fund EARNING enough to guarantee that each person gets that 12k every year, and if NOT, WHERE are the make up funds coming from?
bc if they ARE coming from the city, any place OTHER than the dividends of the fund, the mayor IMO still has a valid point.
I am still hoping someone will help me understand this b/c this is not my strong suit.
thanks.
I understand what you are asking, and I have no idea of the answer. I think since you have asked it a few times and there has been no answer that i have seen yet, you must be going down an avenue that the answer is not one that wants to be given.
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| Posted 2/23/11 9:12 AM |
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ali120206
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by Ophelia
is the city still making money on this money? is the fund making enough to support every fire fighter and corrections officer and police officer getting 12k every year?
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I didn't get all of the facts from DH - we were out at dinner and DS was trying to climb out of his high chair so I could only get some parts.
There are certain eligibility requirements.
I think it's only applicable to those hired before a certain date.
Also - you have to have retired, without disability, with 20 or more years.
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| Posted 2/23/11 9:30 AM |
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