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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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Posted by Ophelia
first, I really hope you are not taking any of my comments to be demeaning b/c I certainly don't mean them to be and I don't want what I am saying lumped into what others are saying, since you quoted me and said that.
secondly, I dont' really understand the math in all of this to please bear with me.
if the city is not contributing any money, then what is the problem.
where is the 12k coming from? from the unions? then how could the city even get its hands on it?
it seemed to me from what I've read that the city agreed to pay 12k out from the dividends of the investment, but MY question is this...is this fund EARNING enough to guarantee that each person gets that 12k every year, and if NOT, WHERE are the make up funds coming from?
bc if they ARE coming from the city, any place OTHER than the dividends of the fund, the mayor IMO still has a valid point.
I am still hoping someone will help me understand this b/c this is not my strong suit.
thanks.
I understand what you are asking, and I have no idea of the answer. I think since you have asked it a few times and there has been no answer that i have seen yet, you must be going down an avenue that the answer is not one that wants to be given.
i actually just spoke to dh about this bc i wasnt going to post something i was unsure of.
Back in the 80's the unions (fdny, nycd and nypd) had a a large surplus. The city asked for the money and said it would be a definted benefit paid back to the retirerees after they invested the $. The city did indeed invest and made billions of dollars on that money that was supposed to pay back its members.
The city is now claiming it is broke and all that money is depleated. u ask where all the money has gone to.. the city misused that fund. instead of keeping it for the members it was used as a fund to pay and settle the multi million dollar lawsuits against the nypd,fdny, and nycd
that money was not used for what it was designated for - it was used to pay the lawsuits against nypd/nycd and fdny
eta: hope that clarifys why members are so upset that the mayor wants to take this away from them (nycd already had it temp taken away).
it is definitely the citys fault for using funds for lawsuits that wasnt theirs to use .. but it is also the fault of the general population to award multi million dollar lawsuits against the city
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Please watch this - NYSUT's newest ad:
In tough times, who's asked to make sacrifices, and who isn't?
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Please watch Governor Christie (NJ) speech from yesterday.
speech
I am sorry about the commercial before it.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
WNA, thanks! a few questions
Posted by WNA01
i actually just spoke to dh about this bc i wasnt going to post something i was unsure of.
Back in the 80's the unions (fdny, nycd and nypd) had a a large surplus. The city asked for the money and said it would be a definted benefit paid back to the retirerees after they invested the $. The city did indeed invest and made billions of dollars on that money that was supposed to pay back its members.
over the 30 or so years that city has paid these dividends, if they were all added up, what would they equal to? would it be more than the initial investment the unions made?
Posted by WNA01
The city is now claiming it is broke
I don't think anyone can deny the truth of this. I just want that to be clear. the city IS broke.
Posted by WNA01
instead of keeping it for the members it was used as a fund to pay and settle the multi million dollar lawsuits against the nypd,fdny, and nycd
that money was not used for what it was designated for - it was used to pay the lawsuits against nypd/nycd and fdny
hmmmm...this is interesting. I am not sure where I stand on this. I'd like to know the specifics of the payouts before I decide if I think it's unfair or not. I mean, it could have been protecting the personal assets of the named offices/servicemembers. it was going, so to speak, to the needs of the union members if that is the case.
I am just trying to be impartial here, not disrepectful. I just want to get the full true picture before forming an opinion.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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Quote by Mommyto2boys:
I can't wait for DH to retire in 9 years! The NYPD is going to be such a $hit show with the crap they are hiring now. You get what you pay for and that's why now they are taking people on the job who have misdemeanors on their records.
That statement is insulting to anyone who has a family member who just graduated the Academy. My nephew graduated at the end of December, he is a college grad, who could not get a job in his field. So he joined the NYPD.
I do not consider him crap and find it very insulting that you do. I am sure there are others onhere who may have family new to the force also. I am flabbergasted by this comment.
Noone is insulting your nephew and no one is saying EVERYONE that comes from the academy is cr@p. Of course not everyone is bad. Just like not all cops are bad, not all doctors are bad, not all lawyers are shady, etc. Two classes ago I had a cousin who graduated, of course, he is a great guy with a great education. A very good girlfriend graduated 2 years ago - and she just left and took her NYPD training to the Austin Police Dept for more money and better pension.
What has been happening for the past three years is the standards have been dropped for the physical, education and background requirements to attract people to apply because the benefits and the pay keep dropping and it was harder and harder to get quality people, like your nephew to apply and then to stay. The good ones, are on for a few years and then go to Nassau or Suffolk, Westchester, where the pay is better and the stress is less, and the standards are higher.
They are rushing people through the approval process to squeeze them into the academy, without full background checks. The physical exam to pass the academy is a joke now compared to when my husband had to do it, only 7 years ago. That means my husband and your nephew's safety is at stake. Safety should never be something tobe compromised.
It doesn't mean YOUR nephew isn't going to be a great, smart, physically able police officer. It means that guys who have criminal records, who don't have his education, who aren't as smart, who don't have the character or fortitude for this job, or the physical capabilities graduated right along with him. You need to have street smarts..not gang affiliation. There will be less quality to make up for the quantity as years go on.
These are things you nephew would not have experienced, he didn't have to go through the old requirements. Once he has some more time on the street, he might be on an Impact Unit working 6pm-2am, he will experience first hand the people we are talking about that he graduated with and before him...and more will come after him as the standards keep dropping.
Original Poster said" The NYPD is going to be a $hit show with the crap they are hiring now". So she did call them crap and it is offensive.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by Ophelia
first, I really hope you are not taking any of my comments to be demeaning b/c I certainly don't mean them to be and I don't want what I am saying lumped into what others are saying, since you quoted me and said that.
secondly, I dont' really understand the math in all of this to please bear with me.
if the city is not contributing any money, then what is the problem.
where is the 12k coming from? from the unions? then how could the city even get its hands on it?
it seemed to me from what I've read that the city agreed to pay 12k out from the dividends of the investment, but MY question is this...is this fund EARNING enough to guarantee that each person gets that 12k every year, and if NOT, WHERE are the make up funds coming from?
bc if they ARE coming from the city, any place OTHER than the dividends of the fund, the mayor IMO still has a valid point.
I am still hoping someone will help me understand this b/c this is not my strong suit.
thanks.
No, not at all about your comments. I was referring to many posters that have made many demeaning comments that are totally unnecessary. I think the moment anyone starts making generalizations, you run into problems.
I actually quoted you because I was trying to answer some of the questions you had there.
The city hasn't contributed any money since 1996. How they have used the money and the profit made is a good question and perhaps one that will be addressed eventually.
These unions are telling him that the city hasn't contributed in 20 years so why he wants to cut on something that the city hasn't funded for that amount of time. Originally when the agreement was made, the amount of money was not set but I believe sometime in the 80's(I can be mistaken on timeline), it was set that it will be $12k for every retiree. The unions had given to the city more than 4B as the city needed the money to invest back when the original agreement was made. Obviously with the state of our economy, everyone is looking where to save to make it work. These unions are upset because he's making it seem that the city has been providing this money to them all along.
I said he has plenty of money and if he cares so much for the city that he wanted to be elected a third time and change the terms, he can totally put the money for the deficit as an investment until the state recovers.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Wow, this is great!! Thanks so much for posting it. Who knew you could fit so much logic into 30 seconds??
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Please watch Governor Christie (NJ) speech from yesterday.
speech
I am sorry about the commercial before it.
So, what's your point? I don't feel like he said anything that people on these threads haven't said.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by WNA01
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Quote by Mommyto2boys:
I can't wait for DH to retire in 9 years! The NYPD is going to be such a $hit show with the crap they are hiring now. You get what you pay for and that's why now they are taking people on the job who have misdemeanors on their records.
That statement is insulting to anyone who has a family member who just graduated the Academy. My nephew graduated at the end of December, he is a college grad, who could not get a job in his field. So he joined the NYPD.
I do not consider him crap and find it very insulting that you do. I am sure there are others onhere who may have family new to the force also. I am flabbergasted by this comment.
Im sure there are a few graduates who well qualified that join the dept, however what pp was stating b4 u took it out of context is you are not getting the whole graduating class as the creme of the crop so to speak..
If the mayor keeps reducing benefits to the nypd, nycd and fdny with a low paying job who will take these jobs in the future? The city will practially take anyone if this continues to happen
Thumper...I apologize if I offended you. It was not my intention.
My point was as WNA said above, if they keep taking away more and more, there are going to be less quality candidates coming on the force. The downfall has already began as they are now accepting candidates with misdemeanors. Obviously not all new recruits are crappy. I was aggravated by the comments people were making and my statement came off as a generalization.
Right now Bloomberg cares about quantity over quality. The tenured cops themsevles see the change. That is not going to take him very far.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
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Posted by SlurpeeDad
Please watch Governor Christie (NJ) speech from yesterday.
speech
I am sorry about the commercial before it.
So, what's your point? I don't feel like he said anything that people on these threads haven't said.
I am sorry, but you can't praise one link that was posted (that didn't have any new information in it), then slam another one because "I don't feel like he said anything that people on these threads haven't said." Absolutely ridiculous!
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Here's a bottom line about Bloomberg...I think the caring is over..no more buying terms, he's done after this...just my feeling
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Posted by SlurpeeDad
Please watch Governor Christie (NJ) speech from yesterday.
speech
I am sorry about the commercial before it.
So, what's your point? I don't feel like he said anything that people on these threads haven't said.
I am sorry, but you can't praise one link that was posted (that didn't have any new information in it), then slam another one because "I don't feel like he said anything that people on these threads haven't said." Absolutely ridiculous!
Why? It's not personal to you..it's just the person's opinion...
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by TheDivaBrideandTeddyFrog
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Posted by emilylives
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Please watch Governor Christie (NJ) speech from yesterday.
speech
I am sorry about the commercial before it.
So, what's your point? I don't feel like he said anything that people on these threads haven't said.
I am sorry, but you can't praise one link that was posted (that didn't have any new information in it), then slam another one because "I don't feel like he said anything that people on these threads haven't said." Absolutely ridiculous!
Why? It's not personal to you..it's just the person's opinion...
I have no problem with her not liking the video, it is just hypocritical to praise something that has been said over and over again and then say "So, what's your point?" to something she doesn't agree with. What was the point of the initial video then? I don't take it personal, I just pointed out the fact that it was hypocritical.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by Ophelia
WNA, thanks! a few questions
Posted by WNA01
i actually just spoke to dh about this bc i wasnt going to post something i was unsure of.
Back in the 80's the unions (fdny, nycd and nypd) had a a large surplus. The city asked for the money and said it would be a definted benefit paid back to the retirerees after they invested the $. The city did indeed invest and made billions of dollars on that money that was supposed to pay back its members.
over the 30 or so years that city has paid these dividends, if they were all added up, what would they equal to? would it be more than the initial investment the unions made?
Posted by WNA01
The city is now claiming it is broke
I don't think anyone can deny the truth of this. I just want that to be clear. the city IS broke.
Posted by WNA01
instead of keeping it for the members it was used as a fund to pay and settle the multi million dollar lawsuits against the nypd,fdny, and nycd
that money was not used for what it was designated for - it was used to pay the lawsuits against nypd/nycd and fdny
hmmmm...this is interesting. I am not sure where I stand on this. I'd like to know the specifics of the payouts before I decide if I think it's unfair or not. I mean, it could have been protecting the personal assets of the named offices/servicemembers. it was going, so to speak, to the needs of the union members if that is the case.
I am just trying to be impartial here, not disrepectful. I just want to get the full true picture before forming an opinion.
Ophelia, I understand you are trying to figure out the legality of it all. Let me make it very simple:
11 years ago my husband signed a LEGAL BINDING CONTRACT where he was afforded these benefits. IMO, it is illegal to now take away ANY of those benefits away (although some have been given up in contract negotiations for a raise). If they want to change the contracts for the new recruits regarding the so called "Christmas bonus" than that is a decision those recruits will have to make whether the job is worth it.
Cops make a pretty crappy salary, some more, some less depending on rank. Other than driving through red lights to get to the deli first or sitting his fat a$$ in a car eating donuts that he can't fit behind the wheel  you want to know what he does on a daily basis:
He takes guns off of 14 yr old kids.
He takes kids out of homes where ther parents were smoking crack sitting next to them on the couch.
He informs families that a loved one had their head blown off.
He gets called to crime scenes where a persons head exploded all over the street after a motorcycle accident and the driver wasnt wearing a helmet. Have you ever seen someone brains splattered on cement?
He gets spit on, punch, kicked, shot at (YES, shot at)
He arrests people who sell heroin to kids.
He has to look up people's a$$ because they shoved balloons filled with heroin in them. And when he is searching addicts, he has to risk sticking himself with a needle and catching AIDS or hepatitis.
He answers calls where a 10 month old baby died from SIDS.
He answers calls of a foul smell in an apartment building where there was a dead body rotting for weeks.
He takes crack heads to the hospital after they piss and $hit on themsevles because they dont want to go to jail. They want to go to the hospital so they can get their methadone.
He had a friend at his old precinct who is now paralyzed from the neck down from a car accident he was in while on the job (but I guess people would be ****** about the benefits he is receiving)
He also carries around a chemical suit and mask incase of another terrorist attack where everyone else would be running away and my DH and other cops/fireman would be running to.
I can go on and on and on. But this all falls on deaf ears.
You can have ALL this and more for the whopping salary of $73k!!! Sounds like a bargain
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by Mommy2Boys
Posted by Ophelia
WNA, thanks! a few questions
Posted by WNA01
i actually just spoke to dh about this bc i wasnt going to post something i was unsure of.
Back in the 80's the unions (fdny, nycd and nypd) had a a large surplus. The city asked for the money and said it would be a definted benefit paid back to the retirerees after they invested the $. The city did indeed invest and made billions of dollars on that money that was supposed to pay back its members.
over the 30 or so years that city has paid these dividends, if they were all added up, what would they equal to? would it be more than the initial investment the unions made?
Posted by WNA01
The city is now claiming it is broke
I don't think anyone can deny the truth of this. I just want that to be clear. the city IS broke.
Posted by WNA01
instead of keeping it for the members it was used as a fund to pay and settle the multi million dollar lawsuits against the nypd,fdny, and nycd
that money was not used for what it was designated for - it was used to pay the lawsuits against nypd/nycd and fdny
hmmmm...this is interesting. I am not sure where I stand on this. I'd like to know the specifics of the payouts before I decide if I think it's unfair or not. I mean, it could have been protecting the personal assets of the named offices/servicemembers. it was going, so to speak, to the needs of the union members if that is the case.
I am just trying to be impartial here, not disrepectful. I just want to get the full true picture before forming an opinion.
Ophelia, I understand you are trying to figure out the legality of it all. Let me make it very simple:
11 years ago my husband signed a LEGAL BINDING CONTRACT where he was afforded these benefits. IMO, it is illegal to now take away ANY of those benefits away (although some have been given up in contract negotiations for a raise). If they want to change the contracts for the new recruits regarding the so called "Christmas bonus" than that is a decision those recruits will have to make whether the job is worth it.
Cops make a pretty crappy salary, some more, some less depending on rank. Other than driving through red lights to get to the deli first or sitting his fat a$$ in a car eating donuts that he can't fit behind the wheel you want to know what he does on a daily basis:
He takes guns off of 14 yr old kids.
He takes kids out of homes where ther parents were smoking crack sitting next to them on the couch.
He informs families that a loved one had their head blown off.
He gets called to crime scenes where a persons head exploded all over the street after a motorcycle accident and the driver wasnt wearing a helmet. Have you ever seen someone brains splattered on cement?
He gets spit on, punch, kicked, shot at (YES, shot at)
He arrests people who sell heroin to kids.
He has to look up people's a$$ because they shoved balloons filled with heroin in them. And when he is searching addicts, he has to risk sticking himself with a needle and catching AIDS or hepatitis.
He answers calls where a 10 month old baby died from SIDS.
He answers calls of a foul smell in an apartment building where there was a dead body rotting for weeks.
He takes crack heads to the hospital after they piss and $hit on themsevles because they dont want to go to jail. They want to go to the hospital so they can get their methadone.
He had a friend at his old precinct who is now paralyzed from the neck down from a car accident he was in while on the job (but I guess people would be ****** about the benefits he is receiving)
He also carries around a chemical suit and mask incase of another terrorist attack where everyone else would be running away and my DH and other cops/fireman would be running to.
I can go on and on and on. But this all falls on deaf ears.
You can have ALL this and more for the whopping salary of $73k!!! Sounds like a bargain
Please dont take this the wrong way but if you offered any of the soldiers who are at war right now 73K they would be over joyed.
Military pay Scale
This is not to trivialize what NYPD or FDNY do--it just aggrivates me when people talk about how certain professions deserve X when you have others who are in a hostile environment EVERYDAY and get squat. They do it for a greater reason than $$$.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by sometimesmommy
Please dont take this the wrong way but if you offered any of the soldiers who are at war right now 73K they would be over joyed.
I dont take it the wrong way. I think we treat our troops like crap too.
DH works with ALOT of guys who are ex-military or currently in the military. One of the guys he works with just came back after completing his last year of service. He had to leave his wife for a year with their newborn baby. Fortunately, the NYPD does one thing right and continues to pay their salary while they are away at war.
ETA: And the point of my post was not to minimize other professions such as military, fireman, corrections officers, etc. People who put themselves in danger protecting others.
I was simply responding to the ignorant comments about cops jobs being no different or no more stressful than any others. To cops jobs being stressful because they blew a red light to go to a deli. To past comments about a cop being rude while taking a statement. Just as military, these guys see ALOT of stuff and as I've said before it is emotionally, mentally and physically draining on them.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by Mommy2Boys
Posted by sometimesmommy
Please dont take this the wrong way but if you offered any of the soldiers who are at war right now 73K they would be over joyed.
I dont take it the wrong way. I think we treat our troops like crap too.
DH works with ALOT of guys who are ex-military or currently in the military. One of the guys he works with just came back after completing his last year of service. He had to leave his wife for a year with their newborn baby. Fortunately, the NYPD does one thing right and continues to pay their salary while they are away at war.
Yes that is great. I wish that more companies etc would anti up the same way.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by Mommy2Boys
Ophelia, I understand you are trying to figure out the legality of it all. Let me make it very simple:
11 years ago my husband signed a LEGAL BINDING CONTRACT where he was afforded these benefits. IMO, it is illegal to now take away ANY of those benefits away (although some have been given up in contract negotiations for a raise). If they want to change the contracts for the new recruits regarding the so called "Christmas bonus" than that is a decision those recruits will have to make whether the job is worth it.
I am not going to speak to the emotional part of your post. there is nothing I can do about the day to day challenges your husband faces on the job, except to make sure as much as I can that my family is not adding to his experience.
and ftr, YES, I have seen someones head splattered on the cement. I don't see the need to have asked me that though.
my interest is in these payouts and where the money is coming from and if it would be legal and BETTER for the city to redirect it. and whether bloomberg is wrong for what he wants to do.
I see a lot of rhetoric but no real concrete answers.
but the bottom line is this...you take money from social services, and from schools and your husband will see MORE situations like you've described. if these variable supplemental payouts are taking money from other areas...IE NOT being supported by the fund..then I say that is wrong. whether it's contracted or not. if it IS contracted, it was very poor accounting on Koch's end. very very short sighted investment that we are all paying for now.
our society does not work in a vacuum. and when you take from one to give to another, that other suffers and it trickles down to other facets of society.
NO ONE wants to hear that money they have come to count on will no longer be coming in. I GET that. I truly do.
but I stand by every thing I've said throughout this thread. again, it's not about what someone deserves. it's about what can be DONE. fiscally. responsibly.
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by TheDivaBrideandTeddyFrog
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Posted by emilylives
Posted by SlurpeeDad
Please watch Governor Christie (NJ) speech from yesterday.
speech
I am sorry about the commercial before it.
So, what's your point? I don't feel like he said anything that people on these threads haven't said.
I am sorry, but you can't praise one link that was posted (that didn't have any new information in it), then slam another one because "I don't feel like he said anything that people on these threads haven't said." Absolutely ridiculous!
Why? It's not personal to you..it's just the person's opinion...
I have no problem with her not liking the video, it is just hypocritical to praise something that has been said over and over again and then say "So, what's your point?" to something she doesn't agree with. What was the point of the initial video then? I don't take it personal, I just pointed out the fact that it was hypocritical.
The other link wasn't meant to provide information. It was a 30 second video designed to strike an emotional chord, which I felt was done really well. Your link was supposed to be informational. I was just wondering what you felt like it added to the discussion, as I didn't see any new information in it.
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| Posted 2/23/11 1:30 PM |
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| Posted 2/23/11 1:32 PM |
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by Ophelia
I am not going to speak to the emotional part of your post. there is nothing I can do about the day to day challenges your husband faces on the job, except to make sure as much as I can that my family is not adding to his experience.
and ftr, YES, I have seen someones head splattered on the cement. I don't see the need to have asked me that though.
my interest is in these payouts and where the money is coming from and if it would be legal and BETTER for the city to redirect it. and whether bloomberg is wrong for what he wants to do.
I see a lot of rhetoric but no real concrete answers.
but the bottom line is this...you take money from social services, and from schools and your husband will see MORE situations like you've described. if these variable supplemental payouts are taking money from other areas...IE NOT being supported by the fund..then I say that is wrong. whether it's contracted or not. if it IS contracted, it was very poor accounting on Koch's end. very very short sighted investment that we are all paying for now.
our society does not work in a vacuum. and when you take from one to give to another, that other suffers and it trickles down to other facets of society.
NO ONE wants to hear that money they have come to count on will no longer be coming in. I GET that. I truly do.
but I stand by every thing I've said throughout this thread. again, it's not about what someone deserves. it's about what can be DONE. fiscally. responsibly.
We can keep going round and round.
Bloomberg is blowing smoke up everyone's a$$ and the media is taking advantage. He is trying to pit one union again the other saying "we can keep giving christmas bonus' or we can hire teachers."
The NYPD pension fund is one of the most successful. Last year alone 84% was contribution funded and 16% was from taxpayers. If the media actual reported facts instead of Bloomberg's bull$hit the public would know this.
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| Posted 2/23/11 1:34 PM |
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by sometimesmommy
Please dont take this the wrong way but if you offered any of the soldiers who are at war right now 73K they would be over joyed.
Military pay Scale
This is not to trivialize what NYPD or FDNY do--it just aggrivates me when people talk about how certain professions deserve X when you have others who are in a hostile environment EVERYDAY and get squat. They do it for a greater reason than $$$.
Okay, don't take this the wrong way, but why do you keep bringing up the military? Everyone who has responded to you has agreed that the military doesn't get paid enough, doesn't get enough benefits, is treated poorly. That doesn't mean that there aren't problems in other areas too. You don't need to jump in every time someone says they think something is unreasonable and say, "Well, the military has it worse!" We're not talking about the military. Everyone has a right to voice their concerns about professions without other people jumping in and saying their concerns are trivial because others have it worse.
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| Posted 2/23/11 1:35 PM |
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Ophelia
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remember, when Gulliver traveled....
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by MrsFresca
The question should be how the money that was given was spent.
If the city hasn't contributed to pay the $12K for the retirees in 20 years then obviously the money hasn't been there for a long time. This is money that every member of those unions have contributed into it.
And yes, they should have done many years ago what's fiscally responsible and thought before signing the agreement how to spend the money and its profit wisely so that it will be there for that agreement. Obviously this is not something they were doing.
I have to say this thread has so many different ramifications that the OP needs to change the title of it And I'm about to start searching for that famous picture of the bunny with a pancake
Some of the threads posted lately really need that....
 I know. I'm sorry. it's like a painful version of Groundhog Day I think.
but just one question: you are saying the 12k is paid by the unions/ if that is the case, how could the city get their little hands on it in the first place?????
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| Posted 2/23/11 1:35 PM |
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Deedlebugs
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
LOL My DH doesn't make $150K a year (or even close) and he has been a NCPD PO for 6 years. I wouldn't say most of them make that much.
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| Posted 2/23/11 1:35 PM |
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Mommy2Boys
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Re: Since bashing teachers went on for 12 pages, can we discuss how Bloomberg is trying to $crew the NYPD, FDNY, etc.?
Posted by Ophelia
but just one question: you are saying the 12k is paid by the unions/ if that is the case, how could the city get their little hands on it in the first place?????
Because the city was BROKE and BORROWED the money from the NYPD and FDNY unions to keep the city afloat. They invested that money and have made BILLIONS and continue to make money off of this loan.
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