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ChilisWife
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
I am ALL FOR making health care cheaper and available. What I am NOT for is a system that results in not having quality care and not having timely care. I just think the health care issue is so complicated and to have these candidates sit here and talk about it like they can solve it in minutes like an algebra equation...it is too simplistic.
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Janice
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
I'll put my info out there. We have a housefund that was NEVER touched in the past 6 years.
Until the medical bills started rolling in. We have insurance, swimming in bills though. The trip to the pharmacy makes me sick.
One night in the ER for a baby with asthma=2,300
if you took an ambulance for the 8 mile ride to hospital=847.00
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| Posted 10/7/08 10:27 PM |
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
Posted by Kate
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by Kate
This question annoyed me because everyone in the U.S. DOES have the right to healthcare. No emergency room will turn anyone away.
sure they wont turn you away
but you will get a bill for $5K
and if you can't afford health care- you can't afford that either
No, then it is their responsibility to pay it. I do not think that FREE healthcare is a right. But they will be treated.
But then in one way or another, these people become the responsibility of the tax payer. Poor people become poorer by things like this. When they are too poor to live, then thats when they have to use services that we pay for....
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| Posted 10/7/08 10:27 PM |
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
Posted by ChilisWife
I am ALL FOR making health care cheaper and available. What I am NOT for is a system that results in not having quality care and not having timely care. I just think the health care issue is so complicated and to have these candidates sit here and talk about it like they can solve it in minutes like an algebra equation...it is too simplistic.
THIS I agree with! 
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| Posted 10/7/08 10:28 PM |
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Janice
Sweet Jessie Quinn
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
I don't understand how change is going to start unless we jump in.
We need insurance companies regulated.
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| Posted 10/7/08 10:30 PM |
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OStewarts
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
I agree with Obama's plan to let everyone buy into private healthcare and make it affordable.
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| Posted 10/7/08 10:34 PM |
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Beth
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
I liked Obama's plan- I'll buy the governments plan - I heard it's great
McCains plan is awful
he has never tried to buy health insurace on the open market
we are self employeed- the best deal I can get us is $800 a month
$5K is meaningless to me
the average cost is close to $1200 a month- and we don't have childern
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| Posted 10/7/08 10:35 PM |
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Janice
Sweet Jessie Quinn
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
I would jump at the chance for a gov't plan. He can keep his 5K.
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| Posted 10/7/08 10:37 PM |
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neenie
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
I think its a right.
Healthcare, imo, should not be a function of the income bracket you reside in. I have some issues with people who abuse the system and commit fraud in order to receive free services when they *could* contribute in some way... BUT, if you dont think that healthcare is a global issue and a right AND responsibility of everyone, that i think you're truly fooling yourself.
There was an issue a year or 2 ago questioning if the UN should allocate funds for impoverished malaria-sticken nations. There were arguments along the lines of "why should *I* have to pay" etc.... The answer is because an epidemic for one is an epidemic for ALL. I have very conservative views when it comes to picking up the bill for someone else's lunch, but healthcare is such a different ballgame.
If you really want to break it down, think about what healthcare REALLY is. It treats the patient by compensating for what it's missing. Now, boil that down to the most basic need- Oxygen. So, consider that "healthcare" is giving oxygen to someone who needs it, right away, in order to survive. Can you honestly say that that is not a Right... because that person doesn't work for the right company, or wasn't born into the right neighborhood? Yes, there needs to be a reform of the whole system, but to deny that its a basic human right- that's beyond me.
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| Posted 10/7/08 10:51 PM |
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alisonggg
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
I believe that access to affordable healthcare is (or at least should be) a right of everyone in this country
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| Posted 10/7/08 11:34 PM |
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MissJones
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
I think it is a basic human right but we have to take responsibility for it. Nobody should be able to sit on their bums and expect it. I think that if you are working, contributing to society, then you should have it. I also think that clinics should be more accessible and that basic health care should be taught at a young age and more emphasis should be placed on health and nutrition and preventing the need to visit the doctor at 14 because of obesity or heart problems or diabetes.
But I also think that the welfare of a society is attributed to the health of the society and if we want to flourish and grow, we all must have access to the basic needs of good food, clean air, basic shelter, and medicine.
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| Posted 10/8/08 4:52 AM |
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rose825
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
Posted by lipglossjunky73
Posted by Kate
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by Kate
This question annoyed me because everyone in the U.S. DOES have the right to healthcare. No emergency room will turn anyone away.
sure they wont turn you away
but you will get a bill for $5K
and if you can't afford health care- you can't afford that either
No, then it is their responsibility to pay it. I do not think that FREE healthcare is a right. But they will be treated.
But then in one way or another, these people become the responsibility of the tax payer. Poor people become poorer by things like this. When they are too poor to live, then thats when they have to use services that we pay for....
not only that, but look at the other side and other burdens. ER's are not allowed to turn people away because of their ability to pay. So therefore ER's are overcrowded with non-emergent cases, possibly delaying someone else's more emergent care. They are now understaffed because they are treating all these cases that belong elsewhere. And yes, you dont have to pay there, but you DO get a bill. And when that person gets that bill, do you think they pay it? No, they cant. So it goes unpaid, the hospital goes unpaid, they cant afford more staff and ultimately hospitals close. Then there is the person who is treated but needs to fill a RX, but they cant afford it (because pharmacy's dont have the same laws as ER's), so they dont take the medicine and wind up sicker and/or back in the ER.
It goes way beyond, being able to get treated in an ER. Those uninsured patients cost taxpayers alot more other ways than just the cost of their healthcare.
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| Posted 10/8/08 7:06 AM |
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
I think that Healthcare should be a right for every WORKING or RETIRED person. So no matter how little you make, there should be a healthcare option out there for you. It may be bare bones, but it's something. Even part time employees should be able to have health insurance. It's sick that places like Walmart will make it so that their employees are not eligible for heath insurance. But that is another story.
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| Posted 10/8/08 7:23 AM |
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Diane
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
Posted by Janice
I'll put my info out there. We have a housefund that was NEVER touched in the past 6 years.
Until the medical bills started rolling in. We have insurance, swimming in bills though. The trip to the pharmacy makes me sick.
One night in the ER for a baby with asthma=2,300
if you took an ambulance for the 8 mile ride to hospital=847.00
YOU SHOULD NOT be billed for the ambulance.
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| Posted 10/8/08 8:05 AM |
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CookiePuss
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
I think basic healthcare is a right and should be available to all people.
I do think that our litigious society needs to take a step back and stop suing for every little possible scenario. Maybe that will help in lowering health care costs.
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| Posted 10/8/08 8:13 AM |
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MrsRJP
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
To me it should be a right. DH and I both lost our jobs the last few months and had to go around and APPLY to different carriers in order to keep health insurance becuase COBRA was so damn high. I also don't think we should be going through approvals in order to take individual or family health insurance from carriers if we do not want to take COBRA. We finally got approved for one after 2 months of biting our nails. 
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| Posted 10/8/08 9:55 AM |
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Janice
Sweet Jessie Quinn
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Janice
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
Posted by Diane
Posted by Janice
I'll put my info out there. We have a housefund that was NEVER touched in the past 6 years.
Until the medical bills started rolling in. We have insurance, swimming in bills though. The trip to the pharmacy makes me sick.
One night in the ER for a baby with asthma=2,300
if you took an ambulance for the 8 mile ride to hospital=847.00
YOU SHOULD NOT be billed for the ambulance.
Diane, do you a know a secret or trick? I have called the medic company and everything, to be put on a payment plan.
I hate this bill...we went to ped, he wasn't responding to treatments the ped was giving him so they called 911 to bring him to hospital. Which is fine, he needed oxygen and was in distress, I just WISH I would have gone to hospital instead of ped, I would have saved 900.00.
Its a shame, in March when he had the seizure, I called 911...EMT came. They treated him in my living room and told me to get in car and drive to hospital. At first I was mad, I did not want to be alone with this kid in my car.
Next time around though, I was in passenger seat in ambulance with the same guy, he said he hates seeing people get billed for unnecessary rides.
Its terrible, the next 3 times we went to ER its the car ride from hell.
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| Posted 10/8/08 10:13 AM |
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Jenn627
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
Posted by prncss
I think it's a right that we all need to take responsibility for.
Same here. Individual responsibility.
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| Posted 10/8/08 10:20 AM |
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Ophelia
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remember, when Gulliver traveled....
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
Posted by neenie
I think its a right.
Healthcare, imo, should not be a function of the income bracket you reside in. I have some issues with people who abuse the system and commit fraud in order to receive free services when they *could* contribute in some way... BUT, if you dont think that healthcare is a global issue and a right AND responsibility of everyone, that i think you're truly fooling yourself.
There was an issue a year or 2 ago questioning if the UN should allocate funds for impoverished malaria-sticken nations. There were arguments along the lines of "why should *I* have to pay" etc.... The answer is because an epidemic for one is an epidemic for ALL. I have very conservative views when it comes to picking up the bill for someone else's lunch, but healthcare is such a different ballgame.
If you really want to break it down, think about what healthcare REALLY is. It treats the patient by compensating for what it's missing. Now, boil that down to the most basic need- Oxygen. So, consider that "healthcare" is giving oxygen to someone who needs it, right away, in order to survive. Can you honestly say that that is not a Right... because that person doesn't work for the right company, or wasn't born into the right neighborhood? Yes, there needs to be a reform of the whole system, but to deny that its a basic human right- that's beyond me.
I agree with this.
and just to be clear, when an uninsured person goes to the ER for routine care, that takes away from EMERGENT care. it also causes long waits, more paperwork, MORE $$ all around.
then the hospital can charge it's PRIVATE rate to the uninsured party. an amount that the hosptial would more than likely NEVER see if they person had coverage. insurance companies work out deals with hospitals to pay a certain rate for services rendered. without the ins. co's guidelines, the hospital can charge (and demand payment for) an inflated amount.
so, what would have cost $10k with insurance now "costs" 40k...and then you have the write offs and the bankruptcies, which hospitals pass on to you in terms of understaffing, antiquated equipment, not enough beds, etc etc etc
it behooves each and every one of us to have every one of us insured. it is simply MIND BLOWING to me that we would still look at our (designer in some cases) pocketbook and decide who is "worthy" of the right to GOOD HEALTH.
HEALTH. LIFE. for your children. for yourselves. It is the one place that I will say that our selfishness and greed makes me ill. we need to care AT LEAST that much about each other, about HUMANITY...and figure out a way to give people the access to a right that outweighs all others....
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| Posted 10/8/08 10:23 AM |
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Jenn627
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
Regarding hospital bills - I thought as long as you paid a minimal amount per month you were OK?
Meaning they couldn't go after you/ruin your credit/demand minimum pmt amounts, etc?
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| Posted 10/8/08 10:24 AM |
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JenniferEver
The Disney Lady
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
Posted by Kate
This question annoyed me because everyone in the U.S. DOES have the right to healthcare. No emergency room will turn anyone away.
Yes, but this is a HUGE problem. My sister is an ER nurse at a major metropolitan hospital. The nurses there are already working long shifts with no breaks and are understaffed. People with serious injuries have to wait hours upon hours for treatments, and the critical care facility is being used for a child's sore throat. Or there are people who don't have insurance so can't have preventive care, so they end up in the ER when things are so much worse and ultimately cost thousands more than routine preventive care.
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| Posted 10/8/08 10:38 AM |
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JenniferEver
The Disney Lady
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
Posted by Jenn627
Regarding hospital bills - I thought as long as you paid a minimal amount per month you were OK?
Meaning they couldn't go after you/ruin your credit/demand minimum pmt amounts, etc?
Untrue. My mom ended up in the ER a few years ago and my dad was responsible for paying the bill and didn't. It DID end up on her credit report.
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| Posted 10/8/08 10:39 AM |
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Jenn627
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
Posted by JenniferEver
Untrue. My mom ended up in the ER a few years ago and my dad was responsible for paying the bill and didn't. It DID end up on her credit report.
he didn't pay the bill at all?
I'm asking if you pay say $5 per month towards a $10K hospital bill, they can't go after you, can they?
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| Posted 10/8/08 10:41 AM |
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JenniferEver
The Disney Lady
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
Posted by Chai77
I think healthcare is a right. Just like the fire department comes to put out the fire if your house is burning down regardless of your ability to pay or your immigration status. I think we all need to contribute, unfortunately via taxes, and yes, that means that the wealthy contribute more towards caring for the poorest among us.
That, to me, is the measure of a society- how it cares for its weakest members.
ITA! 
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| Posted 10/8/08 10:46 AM |
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JenniferEver
The Disney Lady
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Re: Spin-off from the Debate: Do you believe that Healthcare is a Right or a Responsibility?
Posted by Jenn627
Posted by JenniferEver
Untrue. My mom ended up in the ER a few years ago and my dad was responsible for paying the bill and didn't. It DID end up on her credit report.
he didn't pay the bill at all?
I'm asking if you pay say $5 per month towards a $10K hospital bill, they can't go after you, can they?
I can't say for sure whether they would have taken $5 a month..this was the $$ left AFTER insurance 
But it did go to a collection agency and they treated it like a collection agency treats any debt. There didn't seem to be a difference between this and a CC bill.
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