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BigB
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Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
As a teacher, I have encountered many interesting names. Some are: Vagina, Female, Nautica, Cinderella, Princess, Queen, Lord, Paget...the list can go on and on.....
There are countries where the name of your child is limited to approval by the gov't.
What do you think about this?
I always knew that when I had children, they would have common names and they do.
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
While agree that the above names are a bit much, and most def NOT my style. I would not appreciate the fact that someone told me I could NOT name MY child what I wanted. JMO
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| Posted 12/17/08 9:22 AM |
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maybebaby
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
You knew a child named Vagina???  Poor poor child.
THIS is when I think gov't should have a say. That is awful and a form of child abuse in my eyes...
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| Posted 12/17/08 9:35 AM |
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
I know in Germany, for example, those crazies would never have gotten away with that... They have laws that protect the children from insane parents who want to be "different".
I say that based on all the things people have been caling their poor children lately--bizzar words, horribly misspelled names-- this country would have greatly benefited from the same law!
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| Posted 12/17/08 9:44 AM |
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
Posted by maybebaby
You knew a child named Vagina??? Poor poor child.
It isn't pronounced like you would say it normally. It's said like VA-Gheenuh.
I think the government steps in enough already.
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| Posted 12/17/08 9:48 AM |
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
Posted by maybebaby
You knew a child named Vagina??? Poor poor child.
THIS is when I think gov't should have a say. That is awful and a form of child abuse in my eyes...
agreed
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
I don't like the idea of giving the government the opportunity to restrict the names that people would like to give their children. It's intrusive and generally unnecessary. A line would need to be drawn - and drawing those lines causes a lot of conflict and threatens freedom.
HOWEVER - there are passive forms of child abuse. Naming your child Vagina makes me think one of five things:
She has a way to enthusiastic love for a woman's nether regions.
She feels that a name like that will force her child to be strong.
She is mentally unstable and needs to be watched carefullyfor abusive behavior.
She has anger toward her child and she needs to be watched carefullyfor abusive behavior.
She didn't have any emotional attachment to the child and picked a random name based on body parts and she needs to be watched carefully for abusive behavior.
So I guess I would not tell someone that they CANNOT give their child the name of their choosing. But I might be extra observant to see if that child seems under any particular emotional or physical duress.
ETA: I do have a friend who likes being called "****" (short for Richard). He insists it is his way of showing that words only have the meaning we give them.
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BunnyWife
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
Although I don't think that anyone should name their child vagina, I also don't want the government telling me what I should or should not name my kid.
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CrankyPants
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
Did anyone read Freakeonomics?
There is a whole section on how the names we choose for our children impacts them throughout their lives-some of it surprising (like the guy who named one of his sons "Winner" and the other "Loser" JUST to see if it had an impact, it did but so did many other things).
There was a kid listed with the name $hithead, pronounced Sheetehad. Horrible names.
None the less I do not think the government should step in, just that names changes should be free so the kid can choose a new name at some point.
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| Posted 12/17/08 10:55 AM |
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
I think the government has too much power over our lives already. I'm completely opposed to the government having ANY approval or say in what people can name their children.
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
But when it comes to our children, the state can intervene in all sorts of ways. Vaccinations, going to school, being left alone. The state can intervene and take custody of them because even thougt they're "ours," they're independent beings who warrant protection.
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| Posted 12/17/08 11:43 AM |
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
Posted by seaside
But when it comes to our children, the state can intervene in all sorts of ways. Vaccinations, going to school, being left alone. The state can intervene and take custody of them because even thougt they're "ours," they're independent beings who warrant protection.
That doesn't mean that the government can just intervene in any and every possible way. I don't think names fall into the same categories.
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
Posted by CrankyPants
Did anyone read Freakeonomics?
There is a whole section on how the names we choose for our children impacts them throughout their lives-some of it surprising (like the guy who named one of his sons "Winner" and the other "Loser" JUST to see if it had an impact, it did but so did many other things).
There was a kid listed with the name $hithead, pronounced Sheetehad. Horrible names.
None the less I do not think the government should step in, just that names changes should be free so the kid can choose a new name at some point.
i read it and i was just about to post the same thing!
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
Posted by Slightly-Taller
Posted by CrankyPants
Did anyone read Freakeonomics?
There is a whole section on how the names we choose for our children impacts them throughout their lives-some of it surprising (like the guy who named one of his sons "Winner" and the other "Loser" JUST to see if it had an impact, it did but so did many other things).
There was a kid listed with the name $hithead, pronounced Sheetehad. Horrible names.
None the less I do not think the government should step in, just that names changes should be free so the kid can choose a new name at some point.
i read it and i was just about to post the same thing!
 It was a pretty good book!
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| Posted 12/17/08 11:49 AM |
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
Posted by rojerono
I don't like the idea of giving the government the opportunity to restrict the names that people would like to give their children. It's intrusive and generally unnecessary. A line would need to be drawn - and drawing those lines causes a lot of conflict and threatens freedom.
HOWEVER - there are passive forms of child abuse. Naming your child Vagina makes me think one of five things:
She has a way to enthusiastic love for a woman's nether regions.
She feels that a name like that will force her child to be strong.
She is mentally unstable and needs to be watched carefullyfor abusive behavior.
She has anger toward her child and she needs to be watched carefullyfor abusive behavior.
She didn't have any emotional attachment to the child and picked a random name based on body parts and she needs to be watched carefully for abusive behavior.
So I guess I would not tell someone that they CANNOT give their child the name of their choosing. But I might be extra observant to see if that child seems under any particular emotional or physical duress.
I agree.
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
Well I wanted to name my Daughter Jezebel Rose.
At the last week or so I found out I could indeed use Jude as a middle name for a girl (which I really love) so I used Arianna instead of Jezebel (Arianna was always the 2nd choice name).
Can you imagine how much flak I got for even considering Jezebel (which means virginal in Hebrew btw) I think we put a little too much importance in names in general. A name is just a name and not the person no matter what it is.
I work with several international named ppl. My favorite is the one that translates into “The Prince has Come” some may take that as a reference to Christ (so he told me they do anyway) but its just a name. He has so many issues with how ppl feel they have the right to interpret his parent’s choice in his name that he’s stopped telling ppl what it means. He only told me when he overheard me defending the choice of Jezebel.
There are a lot of Jesus’s in the world that are not exactly living up to the name
A lot of Grace’s that aren’t graceful in the least
A lot of Adolph’s that are very gentle and nice men
I think we need to learn to judge ppl by who they are and not what they are named based on preconceptions that the world has forced on us.
sorry if that's off topic
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
Posted by JennZ
While agree that the above names are a bit much, and most def NOT my style. I would not appreciate the fact that someone told me I could NOT name MY child what I wanted. JMO
I agree. It's scary, once minute you can't use the name Adolph the next minute someone decides you can't use "Mike" - where would it end & who gets to decide?
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
lets also not forget that while some names in this country might mean one thing--they could mean something else in another language or region
for example -- i know someone who said they had a student named "Sh*thead" -- but it was pronounced "Shaa-Tawd" - but they were from some area in Asia I believe.
To consciously name your kid something like Adolf Hitler is just horrible and cruel--but I really don't think the govt should be involved and have a list of names either. Hopefully when the kid is old enough they will be able to decide if they want that name or legally change it.
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browneyedgirl
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
Posted by Xelindrya
Well I wanted to name my Daughter Jezebel Rose.
At the last week or so I found out I could indeed use Jude as a middle name for a girl (which I really love) so I used Arianna instead of Jezebel (Arianna was always the 2nd choice name).
Can you imagine how much flak I got for even considering Jezebel (which means virginal in Hebrew btw) I think we put a little too much importance in names in general. A name is just a name and not the person no matter what it is.
I work with several international named ppl. My favorite is the one that translates into “The Prince has Come” some may take that as a reference to Christ (so he told me they do anyway) but its just a name. He has so many issues with how ppl feel they have the right to interpret his parent’s choice in his name that he’s stopped telling ppl what it means. He only told me when he overheard me defending the choice of Jezebel.
There are a lot of Jesus’s in the world that are not exactly living up to the name
A lot of Grace’s that aren’t graceful in the least
A lot of Adolph’s that are very gentle and nice men
I think we need to learn to judge ppl by who they are and not what they are named based on preconceptions that the world has forced on us.
sorry if that's off topic
i see your point but most people don't know how exactly a name translates unless it's a well known name/word--such as jezebel or adolf. most people are aware what jezebel means and who adolf hitler was. although jezebel means "a wicked, shameless woman" according to dictionary.com not virginal. (not trying to start any drama regarding your choice of a name---i looked it up so i could be accurate!) i think that's different than knowing what the name "anthony" or "victoria" might mean in another language. those aren't names that are commonly synonymous with other meanings KWIM? i don't know what my name and the names of DH and DS mean--but i know they are relatively common and don't readily translate to something possibly offensive/controversial. they might, but it's not common knowledge.
that being said--i don't think the government should have ANY say in what we name our kids.
regarding adolf--i am *assuming* (but don't know for fact) that adolf is/was a common austrian/german name back in history. however, after adolf hitler, it is practically synonymous with adolf hitler--at least in our nation. i'm curious to know if people in austria/germany/etc still use adolf commonly. i wonder if it's like an american christopher/michael/anthony kind of name.
i think parents have a responsibility to name their children appropriately--but unfortunately, many choose not to. it's the child that suffers
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
I never understand why parents pick out names that will haunt their children till they are 18 and can legally change them.
Why give your kids and family a reason to resent you like that?
As for they are your kids and you’ll name them as you like – BS, they aren’t a piece of property. They are individuals that will have to live with the consequences of your decision.
Maybe I'll name my first boy Osama Bin Laden or Sirhan Sirhan
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BigB
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
Posted by snowbunny
I never understand why parents pick out names that will haunt their children till they are 18 and can legally change them.
Why give your kids and family a reason to resent you like that?
As for they are your kids and you’ll name them as you like – BS, they aren’t a piece of property. They are individuals that will have to live with the consequences of your decision.
Maybe I'll name my first boy Osama Bin Laden or Sirhan Sirhan
This is how I feel. I think that in a parent's desire to make their child unique (and I indeed did have a child who was named Unique and Dimple) they don't always consider what this means to the child's future.
Now, I know that a name does not determine who or what you become, but I do beleive that it influences those in HR who arrange interviews. It is a lot easier to call a Kate instead of a Dimple in for an interview. IMO.
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
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Posted by seaside
But when it comes to our children, the state can intervene in all sorts of ways. Vaccinations, going to school, being left alone. The state can intervene and take custody of them because even thougt they're "ours," they're independent beings who warrant protection.
That doesn't mean that the government can just intervene in any and every possible way. I don't think names fall into the same categories.
I think names can fall into that category, especially when they're profane or as offensive as "Adolph Hitler." At a certain point, it becomes abusive--permeates the child's life and compromises him or her just as being kept out of school or skipping a required vaccine can. The child has no agency to act for him or herself at birth, just as a baby can't ask for a vaccine and a seven year old can't take himself to school, but the state can intereve and do for the child what the child would arguably want done for himself if he or she had the agency, maturity, option, etc. I typically think we're a bit oerregulated too, but when it comes to children and babies, I think the government is right to step in sometimes.
ETA: It's also a safety issue. Good luck not getting your azz kicked with a middle name like "Aryan Nation". Good luck with getting teachers, employers, and others to treat you fairly. And you didn't choose it!
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
I'm not sure how I feel about government regulation. There are pros and cons both ways. But I know people who live in a European country that does have that regulation, and according to them, the govt only really intervene in cases where the name is truly ridiculous or highly offensive, not just because they arbitrarily don't like it. So I hardly think it would create a "slippery slope" effect where down the line you'd be concerned they could ban common names like Michael or Alexandra, or even unusual ones like Jezebel.
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Posted by browneyedgirl
regarding adolf--i am *assuming* (but don't know for fact) that adolf is/was a common austrian/german name back in history. however, after adolf hitler, it is practically synonymous with adolf hitler--at least in our nation. i'm curious to know if people in austria/germany/etc still use adolf commonly. i wonder if it's like an american christopher/michael/anthony kind of name.
It's not commonly used anymore. The name has picked up the same connotation there that it has here.
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
Posted by seaside
I think names can fall into that category, especially when they're profane or as offensive as "Adolph Hitler." At a certain point, it becomes abusive--permeates the child's life and compromises him or her just as being kept out of school or skipping a required vaccine can. The child has no agency to act for him or herself at birth, just as a baby can't ask for a vaccine and a seven year old can't take himself to school, but the state can intereve and do for the child what the child would arguably want done for himself if he or she had the agency, maturity, option, etc. I typically think we're a bit oerregulated too, but when it comes to children and babies, I think the government is right to step in sometimes.
ETA: It's also a safety issue. Good luck not getting your azz kicked with a middle name like "Aryan Nation". Good luck with getting teachers, employers, and others to treat you fairly. And you didn't choose it!
I agree... it's sort of like free speech.... it ends where another's rights are infringed... who's defending the child????
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Re: Spinoff to the child's name Adolf Hiltler....
Posted by maybebaby
You knew a child named Vagina??? Poor poor child.
THIS is when I think gov't should have a say. That is awful and a form of child abuse in my eyes...
Agreed.... it's just sick.
I would imagine that the government would only be involved in EXTREME cases like this and I think at least a conversation with the parents would be warranted. it's just setting up your child for a miserable life.
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