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SUNY/CUNY and vaccines
So I’m the first to say I’m 100% pro vaccine and completely support vaccination. I saw a post in the news today that Cuomo is mandating vaccines. I’m all for required vaccinations in schools and feel that NY made the right call a few years back requiring elementary children to be vaccinated (the standard ones) for school.
HOWEVER, the vaccine isn’t FDA approved, just approved for emergency use. I know eventually it will be so I’m surprised it’s being required. And two, what happens if people refuse? I remember in college to dorm; we were mandated to get the meningitis vaccine, I’m assuming the covid vaccine will follow suit? I’m surprised they can mandate without FDA full approval, not unless it will be fully approved by august, which I know is possible since Pfizer just put in for full approval.
I’m wondering what will happen? This is a pivotal moment in vaccine controversy in the US. I’m curious how things will play out
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Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
So I’m the first to say I’m 100% pro vaccine and completely support vaccination. I saw a post in the news today that Cuomo is mandating vaccines. I’m all for required vaccinations in schools and feel that NY made the right call a few years back requiring elementary children to be vaccinated (the standard ones) for school.
HOWEVER, the vaccine isn’t FDA approved, just approved for emergency use. I know eventually it will be so I’m surprised it’s being required. And two, what happens if people refuse? I remember in college to dorm; we were mandated to get the meningitis vaccine, I’m assuming the covid vaccine will follow suit? I’m surprised they can mandate without FDA full approval, not unless it will be fully approved by august, which I know is possible since Pfizer just put in for full approval.
I’m wondering what will happen? This is a pivotal moment in vaccine controversy in the US. I’m curious how things will play out
Totally agree with you on all, including your surprise and questions.
All I can think of is that they see it as a public health issue and predict approval. If continued spread causes lethal vaccine resistant variants, we might be back where we were last year.
I share all of your sentiments, though.
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I wonder about the legality of mandating a vaccine that is not FDA approved.
I literally have no idea as I'm not a lawyer and have no clue the legality of something like this.
Perhaps if lawyers got involved it would be different.
Like everything else, he assumes nobody will sue him.
Once the first lawsuit is brought things change.
Just like opening gyms, restaurants etc.
Lawsuits=openings
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What about the students who have one year left to graduate that are attending a college that is requiring this? And they're adamant about not getting vaccinated; what happens?
Do they have to find another college to finish their last year? And if so, do they get a partial refund?
It all just seems a little crazy to me.....
For something not yet FDA approved yet; I still think these "kids" are too young. But that's just my opinion.....
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if you don't get it you can't attend the colleges so i assume either people will get it or withdraw from those schools.
I am one who is on the fence on getting the vaccine; i refuse to state I am never taking it because in reality if it comes down to getting it or doing things I am going to get it.
Same with my kids if they can only go to school with the vaccine they are getting because I am not homeschooling them!
With that said I hate that they try to make it mandatory if someone is choosing not to take a vaccine they are the ones at risk. I am all for once the vaccine is available for everyone that no one should be worried if someone ends up sick in the hospital and hospitals come over loaded and people die. I know that's harsh but you now what they had a choice take the vaccine and chose not to. its not anyone's job to protect others especially when they could have protected themselves.
Also i feel that no matter what side you are on for the vaccines theres always risks even if you aren't taking the vaccines. Sure vaccines come with risks and not everyone will experience some and other wills. But guess what same risks if you are not taking it. yes most people are fine if they catch covid but some arent. You hear stories how perfectly healthy adults and kids catch it and die!!!
So really its up to each person to decide which risk they find greater and I wish everyone would chill out and stop trying push their beliefs on others.
cause you don't know if you are going to die from covid or your kid will and unfortunately until you get it you wont have an answer.
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Re: SUNY/CUNY and vaccines
Posted by NervousNell
I wonder about the legality of mandating a vaccine that is not FDA approved.
I literally have no idea as I'm not a lawyer and have no clue the legality of something like this.
Perhaps if lawyers got involved it would be different.
Like everything else, he assumes nobody will sue him.
Once the first lawsuit is brought things change.
Just like opening gyms, restaurants etc.
Lawsuits=openings
they only thing they could probably win on this is that its not FDA approved once it is FDA approved they will probably loose the fight.
Anti vaccine people have tries to fight the rule when it was mandated for school and lost!! and thats public school.
Colleges is not something you have to have and you can choose to not got to a college and go some where else.
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Posted by NervousNell
I wonder about the legality of mandating a vaccine that is not FDA approved.
I literally have no idea as I'm not a lawyer and have no clue the legality of something like this.
Perhaps if lawyers got involved it would be different.
Like everything else, he assumes nobody will sue him.
Once the first lawsuit is brought things change.
Just like opening gyms, restaurants etc.
Lawsuits=openings
they only thing they could probably win on this is that its not FDA approved once it is FDA approved they will probably loose the fight.
Anti vaccine people have tries to fight the rule when it was mandated for school and lost!! and thats public school.
Colleges is not something you have to have and you can choose to not got to a college and go some where else.
Yes I meant the fact that it's not yet FDA approved.
That seems like something you could legally fight on
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Not happy as well as my child. That is all I will say.
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Posted by NervousNell
Posted by blu6385
Posted by NervousNell
I wonder about the legality of mandating a vaccine that is not FDA approved.
I literally have no idea as I'm not a lawyer and have no clue the legality of something like this.
Perhaps if lawyers got involved it would be different.
Like everything else, he assumes nobody will sue him.
Once the first lawsuit is brought things change.
Just like opening gyms, restaurants etc.
Lawsuits=openings
they only thing they could probably win on this is that its not FDA approved once it is FDA approved they will probably loose the fight.
Anti vaccine people have tries to fight the rule when it was mandated for school and lost!! and thats public school.
Colleges is not something you have to have and you can choose to not got to a college and go some where else.
Yes I meant the fact that it's not yet FDA approved.
That seems like something you could legally fight on
so yes I do agree since its no approved how can they require it and it seems something they can fight. I haven't followed enough so this is just an opinion but I am thinking the FDA is probably going to approve it soon.
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SUNY/CUNY and vaccines
Pfizer and Moderna will most likely be fully approved by the start of the new school year. Until then, I don't see how they can make this mandatory. After that though, I think all bets are off and they can require it for anything they want.
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Risks will always come with medical procedures like vaccines and therefore should never, ever be mandated. If u wanna get it, awesome, it’s ur right. If u don’t wanna get it, awesome, it should also be ur right but when something is mandated u have zero say and I will always have a problem with that. People are saying once it’s approved by the fda, it should be fine. Really? Cause the vaccines that already exist are fda approved and still carry risks. U literally play russian roulette with vaccines and the risks that come with it and most of the time won’t know if u get vaccine injured til after u get vaccinated. And as of right now, when it’s time for a child to get a vaccine, the doctor rarely takes the time to go over the risks, forget about providing the parent with the inserts. It’d be a total different thing if this actually happens so the parent can make a full informed decision for their child but this is never possible if u only hear one side. What will be different with these covid vaccines? Nothing, just like with the vaccines that already exist. Everything that comes with a risk, should come with a choice, period.
Regarding lawsuits against colleges and work places that are arbitrarily mandating their students/employees to get the vaccine, technically this cannot legally happen and in some instances lawsuits are starting to be put together (for work places), but in reality it’s happening and so far these places haven’t really faced any problem and I hate to say it but I’m not feeling optimistic about things changing. I mean u can’t even sue pharmaceutical companies or even the government if u’re not one of the lucky ones that didn’t experience any adverse reactions, u’re pretty much on ur own. Wanna know why not even the government is taking responsibility for those that have been vaccine injured? Because this vaccine is still considered an experimental vaccine and it won’t lose that titles til it gets approved by the fda, after that u might be able to sue the government but knowing how it’s almost impossible to win a case with the vaccines that already exist, I highly doubt they will allow facilitation with the covid vaccines.
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Posted by blu6385
I haven't followed enough so this is just an opinion but I am thinking the FDA is probably going to approve it soon.
Have no doubt this will certainly be the case.
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I said the same thing. I am pro-vax but I 100% understand the hesitation. I do not understand how they can mandate something not formally approved by the FDA. This is still an onging process so I don't know how they can force people into taking a vaccination that is not fully evolved. I do not like that AT ALL. In fact, that is a little scary to me. Private institutions are one thing but public is different.
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I said the same thing. I am pro-vax but I 100% understand the hesitation. I do not understand how they can mandate something not formally approved by the FDA. This is still an onging process so I don't know how they can force people into taking a vaccination that is not fully evolved. I do not like that AT ALL. In fact, that is a little scary to me. Private institutions are one thing but public is different.
really though is any college a public college? You have to pay to go to any college and its not mandatory you attend college its not like its K-12 which is truly public schools and anyone can go to a public school.
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Posted by blu6385
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I said the same thing. I am pro-vax but I 100% understand the hesitation. I do not understand how they can mandate something not formally approved by the FDA. This is still an onging process so I don't know how they can force people into taking a vaccination that is not fully evolved. I do not like that AT ALL. In fact, that is a little scary to me. Private institutions are one thing but public is different.
really though is any college a public college? You have to pay to go to any college and its not mandatory you attend college its not like its K-12 which is truly public schools and anyone can go to a public school.
Actually it's quite the opposite. Almost all colleges are "public" institutions as almost all take significant amount of federal aid. Without federal funding schools would become even less affordable. Magnet schools which require admission requirements are still public schools and are not available to everyone.
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The mandate is contingent on full FDA approval. So no need to question about how can they mandate something that is not fully approved
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Pfizer is seeking full approval now. It will likely be granted before September.
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The mandate is contingent on full FDA approval. So no need to question about how can they mandate something that is not fully approved
Got ya! I just read a quick news post about it I didn’t realize it was contingent on FDA approval! Thanks for clarifying!!!
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If FDA approves it I think there will be no legal ramifications because many vaccines are already required. If it does not get approved by FDA I could see a lawsuit coming...
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Posted by chilltocam
The mandate is contingent on full FDA approval. So no need to question about how can they mandate something that is not fully approved
Ahh, that make sense. I also only read hte heaqdlines so far, and didn't knwo that. I woudl generally say, " if you don't want to comply, transfer", but it isn't that easy, financially, since CUNY & SUNY is a lot less expensive than private schools.
They did say, " in-person" students, so hopefully students who don't want to get vaccianted & can't
transfer can't take online coures to complete their credits. Of course, that isn't possible with all programs.
I am pro vaccine, but I don't think all this madating is really worth it. We are already at 60% of adults statewide getting at least one dose. I think vaccine education and accessibility is more persuasive than forcing peoples' hands.
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He needs to go. Taking away an affordable college education to those who aren’t comfortable getting the vaccine. He’s going to cause more young adults to leave NY....we’re in trouble when no one is left here!
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Not happy as well as my child. That is all I will say.
Are they atleast offering online courses?
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Hofstra just announced they will require the vaccine as well....
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Posted by RainyDay
Posted by windyweather21
Not happy as well as my child. That is all I will say.
Are they atleast offering online courses?
I wonder if you will still need vaccines even for online.
Right now in k-112l even you chose full remote you still need to be caught up on all vaccines or you still were not allowed to attend. I know some people were in an uproar over this but its no like non vaccinated children were allowed to come back to school so I can see why they made everyone attending remote also be up to date.
Now with colleges I do feel like its different so they should allow them to attend online even without vaccines but it wouldn't surprise me if they don't.
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I'm not surprised. They require the meningitis vaccine, etc. for college. Illness runs rampant in college settings with small shared dorms, parties, etc. Once it's fully FDA approved, I don't think there will be any legal recourse for getting out of it. Sucks for everyone who has already enrolled and now has to scramble to find another school though
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