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I think incentives are silly but who really cares. Offering an incentive to get a vaccine is not forcing you to get a vaccine. As for my children, I am leaning towards vaccinating them but I am not 100% yet. My 4 year old had COVID, so for now she has the antibodies.
Until the FDA fully approves them, they shouldn't be mandatory for anything. But once they are fully approved, they are allowed to require it wherever they want.
I'm not sure why it bothers anyone if someone else chooses to get their child vaccinated or if someone gets vaccinated because they got a $100 visa gift card. The only thing I can think of is some hope if there are a large enough number of people who refuse it, they can fight requirements. So they don't want people to be ok with taking it. I can't think of any other reason why people care if someone else's child is in a vaccine trial or if they get the vaccine.

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Now Adelphi is trying to bribe students with gift cards and raffle tickets. Utterly ridiculous.

I dont get the uproar about offering an incentive. They do it for blood donations so why is this a big deal because some people don’t want to get it at all and don’t believe in it??!! I don’t hear uproars when the Red Cross does it so why now. Who really cares??!!!

I’m on the fence of getting it and o can tell you offering something free to me won’t change my mind but hey if I do decide to get it and they want to give me Something great!

What is the Red Cross offering as they come to my job and we don’t get anything?

If this vaccine is so great they wouldn’t have to bribe people to get it.

I would never take a $25 gift card to take an emergency, not FDA approved vaccine. It is not worth it to not know if I will get something later on associated to the vaccine.

I got Jets pre-season tickets years ago for donating blood. DH's job in the past offered free meal coupons from the cafeteria for donating blood as well. It is no big deal to offer incentives to encourage more people to do a good thing such as give blood or get vaccinated.

The vaccine will be be FDA approved shortly, that was just a matter of time and literally won't change anything about the vaccine's efficacy or safety. Will it somehow be more appealing to you if an FDA approval is now slapped on it?

No probably not as I would like to see the long term effects it might have. Who knows what could happen in a year or 2 when people are already having odd things happen to them (see menstrual thread).
Giving blood is a totally different animal. No one is forcing you non stop to do it and you won’t have to worry about getting sick or having other issues after.

Nobody is "forcing" you to get a vaccine either. Unless you're kidnapped, held down and injected I am not sure why you're so worried. You have a choice in the matter, you made YOUR choice so move on. Who cares what everyone else is doing and why. If someone is swayed to get vaccinated because of a free beer, so be it.

So you don’t think more places will require to be vaccinated? You are living in a fantasy world then as it is definitely heading in that direction. “Show your papers” is getting to be very popular to do many things. At least in NY, this is probably not going to end and people will be forced to get the vaccine.

You will always have a choice but every choice you make in life has a consequence to it. Don't get vaccinated but then accept the fact that maybe in the short term you won't have entry to certain venues or places. You can't have things both ways. The more people who are vaccinated, the safer the world around becomes. That's simple medical fact.

I personally don't have any issue with the vaccine, I'd rather take my chances with that than the complete unknown of how your own immune system and body will react to COVID. Been there, done that and have ZERO desire to ever go through the stress of COVID again without any protection.

The reality is, COVID vaccines will just be a part of life now just like flu vaccines, polio vaccines, measles vaccines, and on and on. In another year or two, nobody will bat an eye about it.

I agree eventually it won’t be a big deal and like many others I probably won’t choose to get it like I don’t choose to get a flu shot.

It should be a choice like the flu shot and others vaccines are not required to do many things in life. This one should not be either.

It is a choice.

As for schools, mandating vaccines for students is nothing new. I had to provide my immunization record back in the day when I was in school as well. Realize, this is also the colleges covering their own a$$. They don't want to deal with a COVID outbreak on their campus especially if anyone ends up dying from it. They are trying to protect the student population as well as their own best interests.

I don’t agree with schools as it should be a choice. The country is at 58% vaccinated so when they get to their 70% which they finally have said the number, they need to loosen up the rules and back off bribing people.

But then who knows who will keep up with the shots as now it is all fun and exciting and new and the thing to do.

The vaccine isn't a fad, getting your COVID vaccine will become another medical necessity that needs to be addressed every year just like getting your flu shot, mammo, pap smear, hearing test, eye test, cancer screening and all of the other things we do to protect ourselves from illness.

I don't care if they forever "bribe" people to get their vaccine every year if it means keeping us ALL protected and healthy. The hope is that with enough people vaccinated instead of COVID being a public health threat it'll fast become this nothing thing that you might get but is no worse than a cold or flu.

Bribe away America, bribe away until we get as close as possible to the whole country being vaccinated.

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Now Adelphi is trying to bribe students with gift cards and raffle tickets. Utterly ridiculous.

I dont get the uproar about offering an incentive. They do it for blood donations so why is this a big deal because some people don’t want to get it at all and don’t believe in it??!! I don’t hear uproars when the Red Cross does it so why now. Who really cares??!!!

I’m on the fence of getting it and o can tell you offering something free to me won’t change my mind but hey if I do decide to get it and they want to give me Something great!

What is the Red Cross offering as they come to my job and we don’t get anything?

If this vaccine is so great they wouldn’t have to bribe people to get it.

I would never take a $25 gift card to take an emergency, not FDA approved vaccine. It is not worth it to not know if I will get something later on associated to the vaccine.

I got Jets pre-season tickets years ago for donating blood. DH's job in the past offered free meal coupons from the cafeteria for donating blood as well. It is no big deal to offer incentives to encourage more people to do a good thing such as give blood or get vaccinated.

The vaccine will be be FDA approved shortly, that was just a matter of time and literally won't change anything about the vaccine's efficacy or safety. Will it somehow be more appealing to you if an FDA approval is now slapped on it?

No probably not as I would like to see the long term effects it might have. Who knows what could happen in a year or 2 when people are already having odd things happen to them (see menstrual thread).
Giving blood is a totally different animal. No one is forcing you non stop to do it and you won’t have to worry about getting sick or having other issues after.

Nobody is "forcing" you to get a vaccine either. Unless you're kidnapped, held down and injected I am not sure why you're so worried. You have a choice in the matter, you made YOUR choice so move on. Who cares what everyone else is doing and why. If someone is swayed to get vaccinated because of a free beer, so be it.

So you don’t think more places will require to be vaccinated? You are living in a fantasy world then as it is definitely heading in that direction. “Show your papers” is getting to be very popular to do many things. At least in NY, this is probably not going to end and people will be forced to get the vaccine.

You will always have a choice but every choice you make in life has a consequence to it. Don't get vaccinated but then accept the fact that maybe in the short term you won't have entry to certain venues or places. You can't have things both ways. The more people who are vaccinated, the safer the world around becomes. That's simple medical fact.

I personally don't have any issue with the vaccine, I'd rather take my chances with that than the complete unknown of how your own immune system and body will react to COVID. Been there, done that and have ZERO desire to ever go through the stress of COVID again without any protection.

The reality is, COVID vaccines will just be a part of life now just like flu vaccines, polio vaccines, measles vaccines, and on and on. In another year or two, nobody will bat an eye about it.

I agree eventually it won’t be a big deal and like many others I probably won’t choose to get it like I don’t choose to get a flu shot.

It should be a choice like the flu shot and others vaccines are not required to do many things in life. This one should not be either.

It is a choice.

As for schools, mandating vaccines for students is nothing new. I had to provide my immunization record back in the day when I was in school as well. Realize, this is also the colleges covering their own a$$. They don't want to deal with a COVID outbreak on their campus especially if anyone ends up dying from it. They are trying to protect the student population as well as their own best interests.

I don’t agree with schools as it should be a choice. The country is at 58% vaccinated so when they get to their 70% which they finally have said the number, they need to loosen up the rules and back off bribing people.

But then who knows who will keep up with the shots as now it is all fun and exciting and new and the thing to do.

The vaccine isn't a fad, getting your COVID vaccine will become another medical necessity that needs to be addressed every year just like getting your flu shot, mammo, pap smear, hearing test, eye test, cancer screening and all of the other things we do to protect ourselves from illness.

I don't care if they forever "bribe" people to get their vaccine every year if it means keeping us ALL protected and healthy. The hope is that with enough people vaccinated instead of COVID being a public health threat it'll fast become this nothing thing that you might get but is no worse than a cold or flu.

Bribe away America, bribe away until we get as close as possible to the whole country being vaccinated.

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Now Adelphi is trying to bribe students with gift cards and raffle tickets. Utterly ridiculous.

I dont get the uproar about offering an incentive. They do it for blood donations so why is this a big deal because some people don’t want to get it at all and don’t believe in it??!! I don’t hear uproars when the Red Cross does it so why now. Who really cares??!!!

I’m on the fence of getting it and o can tell you offering something free to me won’t change my mind but hey if I do decide to get it and they want to give me Something great!

What is the Red Cross offering as they come to my job and we don’t get anything?

If this vaccine is so great they wouldn’t have to bribe people to get it.

I would never take a $25 gift card to take an emergency, not FDA approved vaccine. It is not worth it to not know if I will get something later on associated to the vaccine.

I got Jets pre-season tickets years ago for donating blood. DH's job in the past offered free meal coupons from the cafeteria for donating blood as well. It is no big deal to offer incentives to encourage more people to do a good thing such as give blood or get vaccinated.

The vaccine will be be FDA approved shortly, that was just a matter of time and literally won't change anything about the vaccine's efficacy or safety. Will it somehow be more appealing to you if an FDA approval is now slapped on it?

No probably not as I would like to see the long term effects it might have. Who knows what could happen in a year or 2 when people are already having odd things happen to them (see menstrual thread).
Giving blood is a totally different animal. No one is forcing you non stop to do it and you won’t have to worry about getting sick or having other issues after.

Nobody is "forcing" you to get a vaccine either. Unless you're kidnapped, held down and injected I am not sure why you're so worried. You have a choice in the matter, you made YOUR choice so move on. Who cares what everyone else is doing and why. If someone is swayed to get vaccinated because of a free beer, so be it.

So you don’t think more places will require to be vaccinated? You are living in a fantasy world then as it is definitely heading in that direction. “Show your papers” is getting to be very popular to do many things. At least in NY, this is probably not going to end and people will be forced to get the vaccine.

You will always have a choice but every choice you make in life has a consequence to it. Don't get vaccinated but then accept the fact that maybe in the short term you won't have entry to certain venues or places. You can't have things both ways. The more people who are vaccinated, the safer the world around becomes. That's simple medical fact.

I personally don't have any issue with the vaccine, I'd rather take my chances with that than the complete unknown of how your own immune system and body will react to COVID. Been there, done that and have ZERO desire to ever go through the stress of COVID again without any protection.

The reality is, COVID vaccines will just be a part of life now just like flu vaccines, polio vaccines, measles vaccines, and on and on. In another year or two, nobody will bat an eye about it.

I agree eventually it won’t be a big deal and like many others I probably won’t choose to get it like I don’t choose to get a flu shot.

It should be a choice like the flu shot and others vaccines are not required to do many things in life. This one should not be either.

It is a choice.

As for schools, mandating vaccines for students is nothing new. I had to provide my immunization record back in the day when I was in school as well. Realize, this is also the colleges covering their own a$$. They don't want to deal with a COVID outbreak on their campus especially if anyone ends up dying from it. They are trying to protect the student population as well as their own best interests.

I don’t agree with schools as it should be a choice. The country is at 58% vaccinated so when they get to their 70% which they finally have said the number, they need to loosen up the rules and back off bribing people.

But then who knows who will keep up with the shots as now it is all fun and exciting and new and the thing to do.

The vaccine isn't a fad, getting your COVID vaccine will become another medical necessity that needs to be addressed every year just like getting your flu shot, mammo, pap smear, hearing test, eye test, cancer screening and all of the other things we do to protect ourselves from illness.

I don't care if they forever "bribe" people to get their vaccine every year if it means keeping us ALL protected and healthy. The hope is that with enough people vaccinated instead of COVID being a public health threat it'll fast become this nothing thing that you might get but is no worse than a cold or flu.

Bribe away America, bribe away until we get as close as possible to the whole country being vaccinated.

Then all vaccines should be bribes, no? Why just this one?

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Now Adelphi is trying to bribe students with gift cards and raffle tickets. Utterly ridiculous.

I dont get the uproar about offering an incentive. They do it for blood donations so why is this a big deal because some people don’t want to get it at all and don’t believe in it??!! I don’t hear uproars when the Red Cross does it so why now. Who really cares??!!!

I’m on the fence of getting it and o can tell you offering something free to me won’t change my mind but hey if I do decide to get it and they want to give me Something great!

What is the Red Cross offering as they come to my job and we don’t get anything?

If this vaccine is so great they wouldn’t have to bribe people to get it.

I would never take a $25 gift card to take an emergency, not FDA approved vaccine. It is not worth it to not know if I will get something later on associated to the vaccine.

I got Jets pre-season tickets years ago for donating blood. DH's job in the past offered free meal coupons from the cafeteria for donating blood as well. It is no big deal to offer incentives to encourage more people to do a good thing such as give blood or get vaccinated.

The vaccine will be be FDA approved shortly, that was just a matter of time and literally won't change anything about the vaccine's efficacy or safety. Will it somehow be more appealing to you if an FDA approval is now slapped on it?

No probably not as I would like to see the long term effects it might have. Who knows what could happen in a year or 2 when people are already having odd things happen to them (see menstrual thread).
Giving blood is a totally different animal. No one is forcing you non stop to do it and you won’t have to worry about getting sick or having other issues after.

Nobody is "forcing" you to get a vaccine either. Unless you're kidnapped, held down and injected I am not sure why you're so worried. You have a choice in the matter, you made YOUR choice so move on. Who cares what everyone else is doing and why. If someone is swayed to get vaccinated because of a free beer, so be it.

So you don’t think more places will require to be vaccinated? You are living in a fantasy world then as it is definitely heading in that direction. “Show your papers” is getting to be very popular to do many things. At least in NY, this is probably not going to end and people will be forced to get the vaccine.

You will always have a choice but every choice you make in life has a consequence to it. Don't get vaccinated but then accept the fact that maybe in the short term you won't have entry to certain venues or places. You can't have things both ways. The more people who are vaccinated, the safer the world around becomes. That's simple medical fact.

I personally don't have any issue with the vaccine, I'd rather take my chances with that than the complete unknown of how your own immune system and body will react to COVID. Been there, done that and have ZERO desire to ever go through the stress of COVID again without any protection.

The reality is, COVID vaccines will just be a part of life now just like flu vaccines, polio vaccines, measles vaccines, and on and on. In another year or two, nobody will bat an eye about it.

I agree eventually it won’t be a big deal and like many others I probably won’t choose to get it like I don’t choose to get a flu shot.

It should be a choice like the flu shot and others vaccines are not required to do many things in life. This one should not be either.

It is a choice.

As for schools, mandating vaccines for students is nothing new. I had to provide my immunization record back in the day when I was in school as well. Realize, this is also the colleges covering their own a$$. They don't want to deal with a COVID outbreak on their campus especially if anyone ends up dying from it. They are trying to protect the student population as well as their own best interests.

I don’t agree with schools as it should be a choice. The country is at 58% vaccinated so when they get to their 70% which they finally have said the number, they need to loosen up the rules and back off bribing people.

But then who knows who will keep up with the shots as now it is all fun and exciting and new and the thing to do.

The vaccine isn't a fad, getting your COVID vaccine will become another medical necessity that needs to be addressed every year just like getting your flu shot, mammo, pap smear, hearing test, eye test, cancer screening and all of the other things we do to protect ourselves from illness.

I don't care if they forever "bribe" people to get their vaccine every year if it means keeping us ALL protected and healthy. The hope is that with enough people vaccinated instead of COVID being a public health threat it'll fast become this nothing thing that you might get but is no worse than a cold or flu.

Bribe away America, bribe away until we get as close as possible to the whole country being vaccinated.

Then all vaccines should be bribes, no? Why just this one?

You realize people are being encouraged simply because it's a new vaccine and people are hesitant, right? Nobody thinks twice about getting their polio, flu, measles etc vaccines because they have been around forever and nobody gives them a passing thought. The COVID vaccine will eventually be that way too over time.

Unfortunately, we're also contending with a large population of people who never took COVID seriously to begin with thanks to the abysmal leadership we had. Things could've been different but here we are, still trying to convince people that COVID is a global health threat and that the vaccine is essential to moving past this nightmare.

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Now Adelphi is trying to bribe students with gift cards and raffle tickets. Utterly ridiculous.

I dont get the uproar about offering an incentive. They do it for blood donations so why is this a big deal because some people don’t want to get it at all and don’t believe in it??!! I don’t hear uproars when the Red Cross does it so why now. Who really cares??!!!

I’m on the fence of getting it and o can tell you offering something free to me won’t change my mind but hey if I do decide to get it and they want to give me Something great!

What is the Red Cross offering as they come to my job and we don’t get anything?

If this vaccine is so great they wouldn’t have to bribe people to get it.

I would never take a $25 gift card to take an emergency, not FDA approved vaccine. It is not worth it to not know if I will get something later on associated to the vaccine.

I got Jets pre-season tickets years ago for donating blood. DH's job in the past offered free meal coupons from the cafeteria for donating blood as well. It is no big deal to offer incentives to encourage more people to do a good thing such as give blood or get vaccinated.

The vaccine will be be FDA approved shortly, that was just a matter of time and literally won't change anything about the vaccine's efficacy or safety. Will it somehow be more appealing to you if an FDA approval is now slapped on it?

No probably not as I would like to see the long term effects it might have. Who knows what could happen in a year or 2 when people are already having odd things happen to them (see menstrual thread).
Giving blood is a totally different animal. No one is forcing you non stop to do it and you won’t have to worry about getting sick or having other issues after.

Nobody is "forcing" you to get a vaccine either. Unless you're kidnapped, held down and injected I am not sure why you're so worried. You have a choice in the matter, you made YOUR choice so move on. Who cares what everyone else is doing and why. If someone is swayed to get vaccinated because of a free beer, so be it.

So you don’t think more places will require to be vaccinated? You are living in a fantasy world then as it is definitely heading in that direction. “Show your papers” is getting to be very popular to do many things. At least in NY, this is probably not going to end and people will be forced to get the vaccine.

You will always have a choice but every choice you make in life has a consequence to it. Don't get vaccinated but then accept the fact that maybe in the short term you won't have entry to certain venues or places. You can't have things both ways. The more people who are vaccinated, the safer the world around becomes. That's simple medical fact.

I personally don't have any issue with the vaccine, I'd rather take my chances with that than the complete unknown of how your own immune system and body will react to COVID. Been there, done that and have ZERO desire to ever go through the stress of COVID again without any protection.

The reality is, COVID vaccines will just be a part of life now just like flu vaccines, polio vaccines, measles vaccines, and on and on. In another year or two, nobody will bat an eye about it.

I agree eventually it won’t be a big deal and like many others I probably won’t choose to get it like I don’t choose to get a flu shot.

It should be a choice like the flu shot and others vaccines are not required to do many things in life. This one should not be either.

It is a choice.

As for schools, mandating vaccines for students is nothing new. I had to provide my immunization record back in the day when I was in school as well. Realize, this is also the colleges covering their own a$$. They don't want to deal with a COVID outbreak on their campus especially if anyone ends up dying from it. They are trying to protect the student population as well as their own best interests.

I don’t agree with schools as it should be a choice. The country is at 58% vaccinated so when they get to their 70% which they finally have said the number, they need to loosen up the rules and back off bribing people.

But then who knows who will keep up with the shots as now it is all fun and exciting and new and the thing to do.

The vaccine isn't a fad, getting your COVID vaccine will become another medical necessity that needs to be addressed every year just like getting your flu shot, mammo, pap smear, hearing test, eye test, cancer screening and all of the other things we do to protect ourselves from illness.

I don't care if they forever "bribe" people to get their vaccine every year if it means keeping us ALL protected and healthy. The hope is that with enough people vaccinated instead of COVID being a public health threat it'll fast become this nothing thing that you might get but is no worse than a cold or flu.

Bribe away America, bribe away until we get as close as possible to the whole country being vaccinated.

Then all vaccines should be bribes, no? Why just this one?

You realize people are being encouraged simply because it's a new vaccine and people are hesitant, right? Nobody thinks twice about getting their polio, flu, measles etc vaccines because they have been around forever and nobody gives them a passing thought. The COVID vaccine will eventually be that way too over time.

Unfortunately, we're also contending with a large population of people who never took COVID seriously to begin with thanks to the abysmal leadership we had. Things could've been different but here we are, still trying to convince people that COVID is a global health threat and that the vaccine is essential to moving past this nightmare.

Exactly, because they have been around forever. We all know any long term effects of these vaccines. Even Gardisil is too new for some people.
No one should be forced and bribed into something that is too new to know if it will effect them later on.
I truly hope this works and people don’t suffer in years to come, I honestly do as I know many who have gotten it.
It is not a threat enough for many people to have to be forced down their throat every 2 seconds when you watch tv or read a paper or go online though. Let people make their own decisions in life.

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Now Adelphi is trying to bribe students with gift cards and raffle tickets. Utterly ridiculous.

I dont get the uproar about offering an incentive. They do it for blood donations so why is this a big deal because some people don’t want to get it at all and don’t believe in it??!! I don’t hear uproars when the Red Cross does it so why now. Who really cares??!!!

I’m on the fence of getting it and o can tell you offering something free to me won’t change my mind but hey if I do decide to get it and they want to give me Something great!

What is the Red Cross offering as they come to my job and we don’t get anything?

If this vaccine is so great they wouldn’t have to bribe people to get it.

I would never take a $25 gift card to take an emergency, not FDA approved vaccine. It is not worth it to not know if I will get something later on associated to the vaccine.

I got Jets pre-season tickets years ago for donating blood. DH's job in the past offered free meal coupons from the cafeteria for donating blood as well. It is no big deal to offer incentives to encourage more people to do a good thing such as give blood or get vaccinated.

The vaccine will be be FDA approved shortly, that was just a matter of time and literally won't change anything about the vaccine's efficacy or safety. Will it somehow be more appealing to you if an FDA approval is now slapped on it?

No probably not as I would like to see the long term effects it might have. Who knows what could happen in a year or 2 when people are already having odd things happen to them (see menstrual thread).
Giving blood is a totally different animal. No one is forcing you non stop to do it and you won’t have to worry about getting sick or having other issues after.

Nobody is "forcing" you to get a vaccine either. Unless you're kidnapped, held down and injected I am not sure why you're so worried. You have a choice in the matter, you made YOUR choice so move on. Who cares what everyone else is doing and why. If someone is swayed to get vaccinated because of a free beer, so be it.

So you don’t think more places will require to be vaccinated? You are living in a fantasy world then as it is definitely heading in that direction. “Show your papers” is getting to be very popular to do many things. At least in NY, this is probably not going to end and people will be forced to get the vaccine.

You will always have a choice but every choice you make in life has a consequence to it. Don't get vaccinated but then accept the fact that maybe in the short term you won't have entry to certain venues or places. You can't have things both ways. The more people who are vaccinated, the safer the world around becomes. That's simple medical fact.

I personally don't have any issue with the vaccine, I'd rather take my chances with that than the complete unknown of how your own immune system and body will react to COVID. Been there, done that and have ZERO desire to ever go through the stress of COVID again without any protection.

The reality is, COVID vaccines will just be a part of life now just like flu vaccines, polio vaccines, measles vaccines, and on and on. In another year or two, nobody will bat an eye about it.

I agree eventually it won’t be a big deal and like many others I probably won’t choose to get it like I don’t choose to get a flu shot.

It should be a choice like the flu shot and others vaccines are not required to do many things in life. This one should not be either.

It is a choice.

As for schools, mandating vaccines for students is nothing new. I had to provide my immunization record back in the day when I was in school as well. Realize, this is also the colleges covering their own a$$. They don't want to deal with a COVID outbreak on their campus especially if anyone ends up dying from it. They are trying to protect the student population as well as their own best interests.

I don’t agree with schools as it should be a choice. The country is at 58% vaccinated so when they get to their 70% which they finally have said the number, they need to loosen up the rules and back off bribing people.

But then who knows who will keep up with the shots as now it is all fun and exciting and new and the thing to do.

The vaccine isn't a fad, getting your COVID vaccine will become another medical necessity that needs to be addressed every year just like getting your flu shot, mammo, pap smear, hearing test, eye test, cancer screening and all of the other things we do to protect ourselves from illness.

I don't care if they forever "bribe" people to get their vaccine every year if it means keeping us ALL protected and healthy. The hope is that with enough people vaccinated instead of COVID being a public health threat it'll fast become this nothing thing that you might get but is no worse than a cold or flu.

Bribe away America, bribe away until we get as close as possible to the whole country being vaccinated.

Then all vaccines should be bribes, no? Why just this one?

You realize people are being encouraged simply because it's a new vaccine and people are hesitant, right? Nobody thinks twice about getting their polio, flu, measles etc vaccines because they have been around forever and nobody gives them a passing thought. The COVID vaccine will eventually be that way too over time.

Unfortunately, we're also contending with a large population of people who never took COVID seriously to begin with thanks to the abysmal leadership we had. Things could've been different but here we are, still trying to convince people that COVID is a global health threat and that the vaccine is essential to moving past this nightmare.

Exactly, because they have been around forever. We all know any long term effects of these vaccines. Even Gardisil is too new for some people.
No one should be forced and bribed into something that is too new to know if it will effect them later on.
I truly hope this works and people don’t suffer in years to come, I honestly do as I know many who have gotten it.
It is not a threat enough for many people to have to be forced down their throat every 2 seconds when you watch tv or read a paper or go online though. Let people make their own decisions in life.

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Now Adelphi is trying to bribe students with gift cards and raffle tickets. Utterly ridiculous.

I dont get the uproar about offering an incentive. They do it for blood donations so why is this a big deal because some people don’t want to get it at all and don’t believe in it??!! I don’t hear uproars when the Red Cross does it so why now. Who really cares??!!!

I’m on the fence of getting it and o can tell you offering something free to me won’t change my mind but hey if I do decide to get it and they want to give me Something great!

What is the Red Cross offering as they come to my job and we don’t get anything?

If this vaccine is so great they wouldn’t have to bribe people to get it.

I would never take a $25 gift card to take an emergency, not FDA approved vaccine. It is not worth it to not know if I will get something later on associated to the vaccine.

I got Jets pre-season tickets years ago for donating blood. DH's job in the past offered free meal coupons from the cafeteria for donating blood as well. It is no big deal to offer incentives to encourage more people to do a good thing such as give blood or get vaccinated.

The vaccine will be be FDA approved shortly, that was just a matter of time and literally won't change anything about the vaccine's efficacy or safety. Will it somehow be more appealing to you if an FDA approval is now slapped on it?

No probably not as I would like to see the long term effects it might have. Who knows what could happen in a year or 2 when people are already having odd things happen to them (see menstrual thread).
Giving blood is a totally different animal. No one is forcing you non stop to do it and you won’t have to worry about getting sick or having other issues after.

Nobody is "forcing" you to get a vaccine either. Unless you're kidnapped, held down and injected I am not sure why you're so worried. You have a choice in the matter, you made YOUR choice so move on. Who cares what everyone else is doing and why. If someone is swayed to get vaccinated because of a free beer, so be it.

So you don’t think more places will require to be vaccinated? You are living in a fantasy world then as it is definitely heading in that direction. “Show your papers” is getting to be very popular to do many things. At least in NY, this is probably not going to end and people will be forced to get the vaccine.

You will always have a choice but every choice you make in life has a consequence to it. Don't get vaccinated but then accept the fact that maybe in the short term you won't have entry to certain venues or places. You can't have things both ways. The more people who are vaccinated, the safer the world around becomes. That's simple medical fact.

I personally don't have any issue with the vaccine, I'd rather take my chances with that than the complete unknown of how your own immune system and body will react to COVID. Been there, done that and have ZERO desire to ever go through the stress of COVID again without any protection.

The reality is, COVID vaccines will just be a part of life now just like flu vaccines, polio vaccines, measles vaccines, and on and on. In another year or two, nobody will bat an eye about it.

I agree eventually it won’t be a big deal and like many others I probably won’t choose to get it like I don’t choose to get a flu shot.

It should be a choice like the flu shot and others vaccines are not required to do many things in life. This one should not be either.

It is a choice.

As for schools, mandating vaccines for students is nothing new. I had to provide my immunization record back in the day when I was in school as well. Realize, this is also the colleges covering their own a$$. They don't want to deal with a COVID outbreak on their campus especially if anyone ends up dying from it. They are trying to protect the student population as well as their own best interests.

I don’t agree with schools as it should be a choice. The country is at 58% vaccinated so when they get to their 70% which they finally have said the number, they need to loosen up the rules and back off bribing people.

But then who knows who will keep up with the shots as now it is all fun and exciting and new and the thing to do.

The vaccine isn't a fad, getting your COVID vaccine will become another medical necessity that needs to be addressed every year just like getting your flu shot, mammo, pap smear, hearing test, eye test, cancer screening and all of the other things we do to protect ourselves from illness.

I don't care if they forever "bribe" people to get their vaccine every year if it means keeping us ALL protected and healthy. The hope is that with enough people vaccinated instead of COVID being a public health threat it'll fast become this nothing thing that you might get but is no worse than a cold or flu.

Bribe away America, bribe away until we get as close as possible to the whole country being vaccinated.

Then all vaccines should be bribes, no? Why just this one?

You realize people are being encouraged simply because it's a new vaccine and people are hesitant, right? Nobody thinks twice about getting their polio, flu, measles etc vaccines because they have been around forever and nobody gives them a passing thought. The COVID vaccine will eventually be that way too over time.

Unfortunately, we're also contending with a large population of people who never took COVID seriously to begin with thanks to the abysmal leadership we had. Things could've been different but here we are, still trying to convince people that COVID is a global health threat and that the vaccine is essential to moving past this nightmare.

Exactly, because they have been around forever. We all know any long term effects of these vaccines. Even Gardisil is too new for some people.
No one should be forced and bribed into something that is too new to know if it will effect them later on.
I truly hope this works and people don’t suffer in years to come, I honestly do as I know many who have gotten it.
It is not a threat enough for many people to have to be forced down their throat every 2 seconds when you watch tv or read a paper or go online though. Let people make their own decisions in life.

I'm gonna be honest... I can't tell you the last time I had a vaccine.
Well wait- I can- this winter when I got hurt and had to get a tetanus booster- because before that it was probably 30 years since my last one. But if it had not been for that laceration I wouldn't have had that shot either.
I never got a flu shot once in my life.
My last measles shot was probably at what- 18 months old?
What vaccines are people getting yearly? Other than flu I mean.... I know people get that but I chose not to.

In terms of the people who never took Covid seriously to begin with due to our leadership or whatever caused them to feel that way- they won't be bribed with $25 to get this vaccine.

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Now Adelphi is trying to bribe students with gift cards and raffle tickets. Utterly ridiculous.

I dont get the uproar about offering an incentive. They do it for blood donations so why is this a big deal because some people don’t want to get it at all and don’t believe in it??!! I don’t hear uproars when the Red Cross does it so why now. Who really cares??!!!

I’m on the fence of getting it and o can tell you offering something free to me won’t change my mind but hey if I do decide to get it and they want to give me Something great!

What is the Red Cross offering as they come to my job and we don’t get anything?

If this vaccine is so great they wouldn’t have to bribe people to get it.

I would never take a $25 gift card to take an emergency, not FDA approved vaccine. It is not worth it to not know if I will get something later on associated to the vaccine.

I got Jets pre-season tickets years ago for donating blood. DH's job in the past offered free meal coupons from the cafeteria for donating blood as well. It is no big deal to offer incentives to encourage more people to do a good thing such as give blood or get vaccinated.

The vaccine will be be FDA approved shortly, that was just a matter of time and literally won't change anything about the vaccine's efficacy or safety. Will it somehow be more appealing to you if an FDA approval is now slapped on it?

No probably not as I would like to see the long term effects it might have. Who knows what could happen in a year or 2 when people are already having odd things happen to them (see menstrual thread).
Giving blood is a totally different animal. No one is forcing you non stop to do it and you won’t have to worry about getting sick or having other issues after.

Nobody is "forcing" you to get a vaccine either. Unless you're kidnapped, held down and injected I am not sure why you're so worried. You have a choice in the matter, you made YOUR choice so move on. Who cares what everyone else is doing and why. If someone is swayed to get vaccinated because of a free beer, so be it.

So you don’t think more places will require to be vaccinated? You are living in a fantasy world then as it is definitely heading in that direction. “Show your papers” is getting to be very popular to do many things. At least in NY, this is probably not going to end and people will be forced to get the vaccine.

You will always have a choice but every choice you make in life has a consequence to it. Don't get vaccinated but then accept the fact that maybe in the short term you won't have entry to certain venues or places. You can't have things both ways. The more people who are vaccinated, the safer the world around becomes. That's simple medical fact.

I personally don't have any issue with the vaccine, I'd rather take my chances with that than the complete unknown of how your own immune system and body will react to COVID. Been there, done that and have ZERO desire to ever go through the stress of COVID again without any protection.

The reality is, COVID vaccines will just be a part of life now just like flu vaccines, polio vaccines, measles vaccines, and on and on. In another year or two, nobody will bat an eye about it.

I agree eventually it won’t be a big deal and like many others I probably won’t choose to get it like I don’t choose to get a flu shot.

It should be a choice like the flu shot and others vaccines are not required to do many things in life. This one should not be either.

It is a choice.

As for schools, mandating vaccines for students is nothing new. I had to provide my immunization record back in the day when I was in school as well. Realize, this is also the colleges covering their own a$$. They don't want to deal with a COVID outbreak on their campus especially if anyone ends up dying from it. They are trying to protect the student population as well as their own best interests.

I don’t agree with schools as it should be a choice. The country is at 58% vaccinated so when they get to their 70% which they finally have said the number, they need to loosen up the rules and back off bribing people.

But then who knows who will keep up with the shots as now it is all fun and exciting and new and the thing to do.

The vaccine isn't a fad, getting your COVID vaccine will become another medical necessity that needs to be addressed every year just like getting your flu shot, mammo, pap smear, hearing test, eye test, cancer screening and all of the other things we do to protect ourselves from illness.

I don't care if they forever "bribe" people to get their vaccine every year if it means keeping us ALL protected and healthy. The hope is that with enough people vaccinated instead of COVID being a public health threat it'll fast become this nothing thing that you might get but is no worse than a cold or flu.

Bribe away America, bribe away until we get as close as possible to the whole country being vaccinated.

Then all vaccines should be bribes, no? Why just this one?

You realize people are being encouraged simply because it's a new vaccine and people are hesitant, right? Nobody thinks twice about getting their polio, flu, measles etc vaccines because they have been around forever and nobody gives them a passing thought. The COVID vaccine will eventually be that way too over time.

Unfortunately, we're also contending with a large population of people who never took COVID seriously to begin with thanks to the abysmal leadership we had. Things could've been different but here we are, still trying to convince people that COVID is a global health threat and that the vaccine is essential to moving past this nightmare.

Exactly, because they have been around forever. We all know any long term effects of these vaccines. Even Gardisil is too new for some people.
No one should be forced and bribed into something that is too new to know if it will effect them later on.
I truly hope this works and people don’t suffer in years to come, I honestly do as I know many who have gotten it.
It is not a threat enough for many people to have to be forced down their throat every 2 seconds when you watch tv or read a paper or go online though. Let people make their own decisions in life.

I'm gonna be honest... I can't tell you the last time I had a vaccine.
Well wait- I can- this winter when I got hurt and had to get a tetanus booster- because before that it was probably 30 years since my last one. But if it had not been for that laceration I wouldn't have had that shot either.
I never got a flu shot once in my life.
My last measles shot was probably at what- 18 months old?
What vaccines are people getting yearly? Other than flu I mean.... I know people get that but I chose not to.

In terms of the people who never took Covid seriously to begin with due to our leadership or whatever caused them to feel that way- they won't be bribed with $25 to get this vaccine.

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Now Adelphi is trying to bribe students with gift cards and raffle tickets. Utterly ridiculous.

I dont get the uproar about offering an incentive. They do it for blood donations so why is this a big deal because some people don’t want to get it at all and don’t believe in it??!! I don’t hear uproars when the Red Cross does it so why now. Who really cares??!!!

I’m on the fence of getting it and o can tell you offering something free to me won’t change my mind but hey if I do decide to get it and they want to give me Something great!

What is the Red Cross offering as they come to my job and we don’t get anything?

If this vaccine is so great they wouldn’t have to bribe people to get it.

I would never take a $25 gift card to take an emergency, not FDA approved vaccine. It is not worth it to not know if I will get something later on associated to the vaccine.

I got Jets pre-season tickets years ago for donating blood. DH's job in the past offered free meal coupons from the cafeteria for donating blood as well. It is no big deal to offer incentives to encourage more people to do a good thing such as give blood or get vaccinated.

The vaccine will be be FDA approved shortly, that was just a matter of time and literally won't change anything about the vaccine's efficacy or safety. Will it somehow be more appealing to you if an FDA approval is now slapped on it?

No probably not as I would like to see the long term effects it might have. Who knows what could happen in a year or 2 when people are already having odd things happen to them (see menstrual thread).
Giving blood is a totally different animal. No one is forcing you non stop to do it and you won’t have to worry about getting sick or having other issues after.

Nobody is "forcing" you to get a vaccine either. Unless you're kidnapped, held down and injected I am not sure why you're so worried. You have a choice in the matter, you made YOUR choice so move on. Who cares what everyone else is doing and why. If someone is swayed to get vaccinated because of a free beer, so be it.

So you don’t think more places will require to be vaccinated? You are living in a fantasy world then as it is definitely heading in that direction. “Show your papers” is getting to be very popular to do many things. At least in NY, this is probably not going to end and people will be forced to get the vaccine.

You will always have a choice but every choice you make in life has a consequence to it. Don't get vaccinated but then accept the fact that maybe in the short term you won't have entry to certain venues or places. You can't have things both ways. The more people who are vaccinated, the safer the world around becomes. That's simple medical fact.

I personally don't have any issue with the vaccine, I'd rather take my chances with that than the complete unknown of how your own immune system and body will react to COVID. Been there, done that and have ZERO desire to ever go through the stress of COVID again without any protection.

The reality is, COVID vaccines will just be a part of life now just like flu vaccines, polio vaccines, measles vaccines, and on and on. In another year or two, nobody will bat an eye about it.

I agree eventually it won’t be a big deal and like many others I probably won’t choose to get it like I don’t choose to get a flu shot.

It should be a choice like the flu shot and others vaccines are not required to do many things in life. This one should not be either.

It is a choice.

As for schools, mandating vaccines for students is nothing new. I had to provide my immunization record back in the day when I was in school as well. Realize, this is also the colleges covering their own a$$. They don't want to deal with a COVID outbreak on their campus especially if anyone ends up dying from it. They are trying to protect the student population as well as their own best interests.

I don’t agree with schools as it should be a choice. The country is at 58% vaccinated so when they get to their 70% which they finally have said the number, they need to loosen up the rules and back off bribing people.

But then who knows who will keep up with the shots as now it is all fun and exciting and new and the thing to do.

The vaccine isn't a fad, getting your COVID vaccine will become another medical necessity that needs to be addressed every year just like getting your flu shot, mammo, pap smear, hearing test, eye test, cancer screening and all of the other things we do to protect ourselves from illness.

I don't care if they forever "bribe" people to get their vaccine every year if it means keeping us ALL protected and healthy. The hope is that with enough people vaccinated instead of COVID being a public health threat it'll fast become this nothing thing that you might get but is no worse than a cold or flu.

Bribe away America, bribe away until we get as close as possible to the whole country being vaccinated.

Then all vaccines should be bribes, no? Why just this one?

You realize people are being encouraged simply because it's a new vaccine and people are hesitant, right? Nobody thinks twice about getting their polio, flu, measles etc vaccines because they have been around forever and nobody gives them a passing thought. The COVID vaccine will eventually be that way too over time.

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Now Adelphi is trying to bribe students with gift cards and raffle tickets. Utterly ridiculous.

I dont get the uproar about offering an incentive. They do it for blood donations so why is this a big deal because some people don’t want to get it at all and don’t believe in it??!! I don’t hear uproars when the Red Cross does it so why now. Who really cares??!!!

I’m on the fence of getting it and o can tell you offering something free to me won’t change my mind but hey if I do decide to get it and they want to give me Something great!

What is the Red Cross offering as they come to my job and we don’t get anything?

If this vaccine is so great they wouldn’t have to bribe people to get it.

I would never take a $25 gift card to take an emergency, not FDA approved vaccine. It is not worth it to not know if I will get something later on associated to the vaccine.

I got Jets pre-season tickets years ago for donating blood. DH's job in the past offered free meal coupons from the cafeteria for donating blood as well. It is no big deal to offer incentives to encourage more people to do a good thing such as give blood or get vaccinated.

The vaccine will be be FDA approved shortly, that was just a matter of time and literally won't change anything about the vaccine's efficacy or safety. Will it somehow be more appealing to you if an FDA approval is now slapped on it?

No probably not as I would like to see the long term effects it might have. Who knows what could happen in a year or 2 when people are already having odd things happen to them (see menstrual thread).
Giving blood is a totally different animal. No one is forcing you non stop to do it and you won’t have to worry about getting sick or having other issues after.

Nobody is "forcing" you to get a vaccine either. Unless you're kidnapped, held down and injected I am not sure why you're so worried. You have a choice in the matter, you made YOUR choice so move on. Who cares what everyone else is doing and why. If someone is swayed to get vaccinated because of a free beer, so be it.

So you don’t think more places will require to be vaccinated? You are living in a fantasy world then as it is definitely heading in that direction. “Show your papers” is getting to be very popular to do many things. At least in NY, this is probably not going to end and people will be forced to get the vaccine.

You will always have a choice but every choice you make in life has a consequence to it. Don't get vaccinated but then accept the fact that maybe in the short term you won't have entry to certain venues or places. You can't have things both ways. The more people who are vaccinated, the safer the world around becomes. That's simple medical fact.

I personally don't have any issue with the vaccine, I'd rather take my chances with that than the complete unknown of how your own immune system and body will react to COVID. Been there, done that and have ZERO desire to ever go through the stress of COVID again without any protection.

The reality is, COVID vaccines will just be a part of life now just like flu vaccines, polio vaccines, measles vaccines, and on and on. In another year or two, nobody will bat an eye about it.

I agree eventually it won’t be a big deal and like many others I probably won’t choose to get it like I don’t choose to get a flu shot.

It should be a choice like the flu shot and others vaccines are not required to do many things in life. This one should not be either.

It is a choice.

As for schools, mandating vaccines for students is nothing new. I had to provide my immunization record back in the day when I was in school as well. Realize, this is also the colleges covering their own a$$. They don't want to deal with a COVID outbreak on their campus especially if anyone ends up dying from it. They are trying to protect the student population as well as their own best interests.

I don’t agree with schools as it should be a choice. The country is at 58% vaccinated so when they get to their 70% which they finally have said the number, they need to loosen up the rules and back off bribing people.

But then who knows who will keep up with the shots as now it is all fun and exciting and new and the thing to do.

The vaccine isn't a fad, getting your COVID vaccine will become another medical necessity that needs to be addressed every year just like getting your flu shot, mammo, pap smear, hearing test, eye test, cancer screening and all of the other things we do to protect ourselves from illness.

I don't care if they forever "bribe" people to get their vaccine every year if it means keeping us ALL protected and healthy. The hope is that with enough people vaccinated instead of COVID being a public health threat it'll fast become this nothing thing that you might get but is no worse than a cold or flu.

Bribe away America, bribe away until we get as close as possible to the whole country being vaccinated.

Then all vaccines should be bribes, no? Why just this one?

You realize people are being encouraged simply because it's a new vaccine and people are hesitant, right? Nobody thinks twice about getting their polio, flu, measles etc vaccines because they have been around forever and nobody gives them a passing thought. The COVID vaccine will eventually be that way too over time.

I have a problem with vaccines the way they’re now (no liability, toxic components, pharma ties with government, etc) so I guess I’m a “nobody” along with millions of people that share my same mentality including those that have experienced vaccine injury themselves, their kids, or family members? FYI vaccines have not been around forever or existed a great amount of time which I’m sure that’s what u’re referring to. Flu and polio about 70 yrs. Measles about 50 yrs. Chickenpox (varicella) about 40 yrs. HPV about 10 yrs. Our immune systems about...well it depends if u believe God created us or if we were a product of evolution, so yeah u can say we’ve been around “forever”. And FTR, I do not have a problem with the advance of science in the medical field, I actually do believe many have the right intentions to help humanity just like Dr Jonas Salk when he first created the polio vaccine, which unfortunately ended up being something completely different where safety took a second place because of influences from others. What I do have a problem with is the lack of transparency, and the insatiable desire of greediness and power from mega companies that have been around for a while and are now worth billions upon billions. So people like me are gonna be skeptical when these same untouchable companies come up with these covid vaccines, which btw are technically not even “vaccines”, but yet these companies are still granted the same privilege they have with their other vaccines...liability free.