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The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
My conscience won't sit right until I correct this epic bit of mythology. Flame/discuss whatever but get your FACTS down before spreading mis/disinformation.
NO one. NO ONE WHO IS INVOLVED in gun control legislation is calling for the removal of firearms from individuals. No ONE.
You see the gun LUNATICS on TV framing it that way. If you believe them, you are as off as the point of view you represent.
I'm going to show you with one picture. Maybe you will investigate the issue further.
My husband owns guns. He supports assaults weapons ban, BECAUSE HE KNOWS what he's talking about.
You may not, so here you go. This is a .22 rifle bullet vs. a .223 as used in Sandy Hook. The .223 will come at you at 3000 ft per second. Noah Pozner got hit with 11 of those in Sandy Hook. I'm sorry for including that gruesome news but it does him no honor to omit it.
Now imagine a 30 round magazine of those, and a psychopath on the other end of that gun. Or a 100rd, so the shooter can complete his executions with utmost efficiency. And you believe this is over 2nd Amendment issues? Or making a gun-free country?
And the NRA destroys ANY and ALL effective legislation that would PREVENT the intersection of this bullet with THAT brain. And that is WHY we need sane gun laws in this country.
Know what? The enemy in our country isn't the NRA. It isn't even guns. It's ambivalence and ignorance.
If nothing else understand what's on the table BEFORE you pick a side. I'm in it because Newtown changed everything for me.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
my lil Noah. 
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Excellent post with excellent points. Thank you for taking the time to try to clarify this issue. Hopefully people will pay attention to the actual issues.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Thank you for posting this
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Celt
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
These are the people influencing gun legislation at the FEDERAL LEVEL
NRA spokesperson Ted Nugent famously enjoys sex with underage girls and calls it “alternative flesh management,” and is the only major figure in the Republican Party to have had sex with Courtney Love when she was 12. He also called Hillary Clinton a “toxic” c-word and “a two-bit whore for Fidel Castro.”
Ted Nugent likes to hunt animals he doesn’t eat and brag about how he kills exclusively for fun.
He likes to wear Confederate flag shirts, uses the “N” word in interviews and called the first black president “a subhuman varmint.”
Ted Nugent famously admitted to soiling himself during his Vietnam draft board physical and not clearing the stench of self-defecation — so he could avoid serving our country.
And you want to wave that away and say "whew he's a lunatic!". OK. Guess how many millions of your neighbors consider this guy a true PATRIOT and a great AMERICAN.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
again,
Dianne Feinstein: “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.” I would have."
I'm sorry but you are wrong. There definitely ARE people in legislation who DO believe in an outright ban. wether it can happen or not...if they could have their way...they will
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The argument is not
This is just so horrific, really to the point where I just cannot process that exact bullet being used to kill those sweet innocent babies. 
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Celt
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
again,
Dianne Feinstein: “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.” I would have."
I'm sorry but you are wrong. There definitely ARE people in legislation who DO believe in an outright ban. wether it can happen or not...if they could have their way...they will
Well then you are putting POLITICAL party ahead of children's lives.
She was talking about Assault Weapons. ASSAULT WEAPONS. Off of our streets.
Wake up. I am incensed when I see factually incorrect information being disseminated and I will correct you at EVERY opportunity
YOU, my friend, are wrong.
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| Posted 1/11/13 2:56 PM |
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Celt
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Full quotes, so much better than half-quotes, would you agree?
Discussing why the 1994 act only prohibited the manufacture or import of assault weapons, instead of the possession and sale of them, Feinstein said on CBS-TV's 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995, "If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them . . . Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in, I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."[26]
HERE on WIKI
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
again,
Dianne Feinstein: “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.” I would have."
I'm sorry but you are wrong. There definitely ARE people in legislation who DO believe in an outright ban. wether it can happen or not...if they could have their way...they will
If you look up the actual LEGISLATION that Feinstein supports it is about smart gun control such as an assault weapons ban. In a TV interview she said that quote and the context was that in an IDEAL world she would love if there were no guns.
Guess what. Me too. So I guess technically I AM pro-a total gun ban. HOWEVER, I, like Feinstein, know that this is not feasible and goes against the 2nd Amendment. Her legislation proposals and voting records show SMART gun control support.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Stricter gun control laws will not prevent criminals or any citizen from obtaining any kind of gun they want to own, just like drug dealers & users are able to get drugs. I do not believe that someone needs the type of gun used in Sandy Hook, but if someone wants to have that type of gun and use it, they will find someone who sells it and they will buy it, even if it's out of the trunk of someones car.
P.S I don't think anyone is stupid LOL I just saw this pic on facebook then came on here and saw this post so I figured it fit. NO OFFENCE TO ANYONE.... Image Attachment(s):
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by colette
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
again,
Dianne Feinstein: “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.” I would have."
I'm sorry but you are wrong. There definitely ARE people in legislation who DO believe in an outright ban. wether it can happen or not...if they could have their way...they will
Well then you are putting POLITICAL party ahead of children's lives.
She was talking about Assault Weapons. ASSAULT WEAPONS. Off of our streets.
Wake up. I am incensed when I see factually incorrect information being disseminated and I will correct you at EVERY opportunity
YOU, my friend, are wrong.
OUTRIGHT ban means only assault weapons? I thought OUTRIGHT meant all. I don't see any differentiation between assault or other in that quote.
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Celt
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by PennyJ923
Stricter gun control laws will not prevent criminals or any citizen from obtaining any kind of gun they want to own, just like drug dealers & users are able to get drugs. I do not believe that someone needs the type of gun used in Sandy Hook, but if someone wants to have that type of gun and use it, they will find someone who sells it and they will buy it, even if it's out of the trunk of someones car.
P.S I don't think anyone is stupid LOL I just saw this pic on facebook then came on here and saw this post so I figured it fit. NO OFFENCE TO ANYONE....
Your meme is stupid, you are not.
I can walk into a gun show and buy an unlimited amount of heavy assault weapons and unlimited amount of hi cap magazines with a driver's license.
Me. Right now. Today.
I can take those weapons and distribute them to all my gun loving crack dealing friends.
Me.
I can do that.
And it's LEGAL because the NRA wants it to be.
40% of LEGAL guns are sold this way.
74% of NRA member support closing this gap.
You say the problem is criminals and illegal activity.
I say the problem is making them as easy to get as a cheeseburger. LEGALLY.
Now, tell me again how improved laws won't change anything?
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
Posted by colette
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
again,
Dianne Feinstein: “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.” I would have."
I'm sorry but you are wrong. There definitely ARE people in legislation who DO believe in an outright ban. wether it can happen or not...if they could have their way...they will
Well then you are putting POLITICAL party ahead of children's lives.
She was talking about Assault Weapons. ASSAULT WEAPONS. Off of our streets.
Wake up. I am incensed when I see factually incorrect information being disseminated and I will correct you at EVERY opportunity
YOU, my friend, are wrong.
OUTRIGHT ban means only assault weapons? I thought OUTRIGHT meant all. I don't see any differentiation between assault or other in that quote.
assault weapons is what was being discussed and what should be inferred there. an outright (all inclusive) ban on all assault rifles.
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Celt
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
Posted by colette
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
again,
Dianne Feinstein: “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.” I would have."
I'm sorry but you are wrong. There definitely ARE people in legislation who DO believe in an outright ban. wether it can happen or not...if they could have their way...they will
Well then you are putting POLITICAL party ahead of children's lives.
She was talking about Assault Weapons. ASSAULT WEAPONS. Off of our streets.
Wake up. I am incensed when I see factually incorrect information being disseminated and I will correct you at EVERY opportunity
YOU, my friend, are wrong.
OUTRIGHT ban means only assault weapons? I thought OUTRIGHT meant all. I don't see any differentiation between assault or other in that quote.
Yes, since I knew you would ask that, I posted her full quote above as well as the QUESTION she was answering.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by colette
Posted by PennyJ923
Stricter gun control laws will not prevent criminals or any citizen from obtaining any kind of gun they want to own, just like drug dealers & users are able to get drugs. I do not believe that someone needs the type of gun used in Sandy Hook, but if someone wants to have that type of gun and use it, they will find someone who sells it and they will buy it, even if it's out of the trunk of someones car.
P.S I don't think anyone is stupid LOL I just saw this pic on facebook then came on here and saw this post so I figured it fit. NO OFFENCE TO ANYONE....
Your meme is stupid, you are not.
I can walk into a gun show and buy an unlimited amount of heavy assault weapons and unlimited amount of hi cap magazines with a driver's license.
Me. Right now. Today.
I can take those weapons and distribute them to all my gun loving crack dealing friends.
Me.
I can do that.
And it's LEGAL because the NRA wants it to be.
40% of LEGAL guns are sold this way.
74% of NRA member support closing this gap.
You say the problem is criminals and illegal activity.
I say the problem is making them as easy to get as a cheeseburger. LEGALLY.
Now, tell me again how improved laws won't change anything?
I can also call people right now and find heroin, crack, pills, weed, acid, mushrooms. Sex addicts can find a 15 year old girl to get a blow job from tonight by stopping at a corner, I can go into the city a buy knock off LV bags. There are laws against this type of stuff and it is still happening
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Celt
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by colette
Posted by PennyJ923
Stricter gun control laws will not prevent criminals or any citizen from obtaining any kind of gun they want to own, just like drug dealers & users are able to get drugs. I do not believe that someone needs the type of gun used in Sandy Hook, but if someone wants to have that type of gun and use it, they will find someone who sells it and they will buy it, even if it's out of the trunk of someones car.
P.S I don't think anyone is stupid LOL I just saw this pic on facebook then came on here and saw this post so I figured it fit. NO OFFENCE TO ANYONE....
Your meme is stupid, you are not.
I can walk into a gun show and buy an unlimited amount of heavy assault weapons and unlimited amount of hi cap magazines with a driver's license.
Me. Right now. Today.
I can take those weapons and distribute them to all my gun loving crack dealing friends.
Me.
I can do that.
And it's LEGAL because the NRA wants it to be.
40% of LEGAL guns are sold this way.
74% of NRA member support closing this gap.
You say the problem is criminals and illegal activity.
I say the problem is making them as easy to get as a cheeseburger. LEGALLY.
Now, tell me again how improved laws won't change anything?
I can also call people right now and find heroin, crack, pills, weed, acid, mushrooms. Sex addicts can find a 15 year old girl to get a blow job from tonight by stopping at a corner, I can go into the city a buy knock off LV bags. There are laws against this type of stuff and it is still happening
And as soon as we have our very first SEX, heroin, crack, pill, weed, acid, mushroom massacre of 20 6 year olds I will be all over that too.
Trite analogy. You can do better.
ETA: There are bad laws regarding guns. Many BAD laws. NRA sponsored and diluted. And when they can't change the law itself they sue the government to protect their BFFs, the GUN MAKERS.
Wake up. It's not a 2nd amendment issue. It's not about protecting your family. Not one bit.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
it's a lot easier to offer illegal sex, to smuggle and manufacturer illegal drugs.
you will not find many people willing to smuggle a Bushmaster in their rectum.
and my other favorite...you will not find many smelting operations in someone's bathtub. 
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by colette
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by colette
Posted by PennyJ923
Stricter gun control laws will not prevent criminals or any citizen from obtaining any kind of gun they want to own, just like drug dealers & users are able to get drugs. I do not believe that someone needs the type of gun used in Sandy Hook, but if someone wants to have that type of gun and use it, they will find someone who sells it and they will buy it, even if it's out of the trunk of someones car.
P.S I don't think anyone is stupid LOL I just saw this pic on facebook then came on here and saw this post so I figured it fit. NO OFFENCE TO ANYONE....
Your meme is stupid, you are not.
I can walk into a gun show and buy an unlimited amount of heavy assault weapons and unlimited amount of hi cap magazines with a driver's license.
Me. Right now. Today.
I can take those weapons and distribute them to all my gun loving crack dealing friends.
Me.
I can do that.
And it's LEGAL because the NRA wants it to be.
40% of LEGAL guns are sold this way.
74% of NRA member support closing this gap.
You say the problem is criminals and illegal activity.
I say the problem is making them as easy to get as a cheeseburger. LEGALLY.
Now, tell me again how improved laws won't change anything?
I can also call people right now and find heroin, crack, pills, weed, acid, mushrooms. Sex addicts can find a 15 year old girl to get a blow job from tonight by stopping at a corner, I can go into the city a buy knock off LV bags. There are laws against this type of stuff and it is still happening
And as soon as we have our very first SEX, heroin, crack, pill, weed, acid, mushroom massacre of 20 6 year olds I will be all over that too.
Trite analogy. You can do better.
Drug addiction is out of control in this country. Maybe 20 6 year olds arn't dieing of overdose, but millions of teenager are. We can agree to disagree all day, my point is if someone wants to do something they will find a way no matter what the law says. Laws are broken every day, illegal activy is performed all day every day. That is my point and I am sticking by it.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by colette
Posted by PennyJ923
Stricter gun control laws will not prevent criminals or any citizen from obtaining any kind of gun they want to own, just like drug dealers & users are able to get drugs. I do not believe that someone needs the type of gun used in Sandy Hook, but if someone wants to have that type of gun and use it, they will find someone who sells it and they will buy it, even if it's out of the trunk of someones car.
P.S I don't think anyone is stupid LOL I just saw this pic on facebook then came on here and saw this post so I figured it fit. NO OFFENCE TO ANYONE....
Your meme is stupid, you are not.
I can walk into a gun show and buy an unlimited amount of heavy assault weapons and unlimited amount of hi cap magazines with a driver's license.
Me. Right now. Today.
I can take those weapons and distribute them to all my gun loving crack dealing friends.
Me.
I can do that.
And it's LEGAL because the NRA wants it to be.
40% of LEGAL guns are sold this way.
74% of NRA member support closing this gap.
You say the problem is criminals and illegal activity.
I say the problem is making them as easy to get as a cheeseburger. LEGALLY.
Now, tell me again how improved laws won't change anything?
I can also call people right now and find heroin, crack, pills, weed, acid, mushrooms. Sex addicts can find a 15 year old girl to get a blow job from tonight by stopping at a corner, I can go into the city a buy knock off LV bags. There are laws against this type of stuff and it is still happening
So let's keep gun laws the same and screw the innocent people who are in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Last time I checked, a mentally unstable person who walked into an elementary school with a crackpipe, a hooker, or a knockoff bag didn't kill 20 innocent babies and 6 adults in a matter of minutes.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by colette
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
Posted by colette
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
again,
Dianne Feinstein: “If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in.” I would have."
I'm sorry but you are wrong. There definitely ARE people in legislation who DO believe in an outright ban. wether it can happen or not...if they could have their way...they will
Well then you are putting POLITICAL party ahead of children's lives.
She was talking about Assault Weapons. ASSAULT WEAPONS. Off of our streets.
Wake up. I am incensed when I see factually incorrect information being disseminated and I will correct you at EVERY opportunity
YOU, my friend, are wrong.
OUTRIGHT ban means only assault weapons? I thought OUTRIGHT meant all. I don't see any differentiation between assault or other in that quote.
Yes, since I knew you would ask that, I posted her full quote above as well as the QUESTION she was answering.
oh. you were INFERRING that it pertained to assault...I'm sorry...I was just taking the quote as is and not adding my interpretation.
if you want people to listen to you you should try being less condescending.
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The argument is not
I think people hide behind those analogies instead of looking at the real issues. Justification is just rhetoric spewed by those who can't or won't admit that there is plausibility and need for stricter gun control. I don't see it as right, or a protection issue, or anything like that. It's about accessibility. And not every single person needs such accessibility. I'm sorry, that's how I feel. I don't need or want access to guns, and I'll protect myself and my family without one.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by colette
Posted by PennyJ923
Stricter gun control laws will not prevent criminals or any citizen from obtaining any kind of gun they want to own, just like drug dealers & users are able to get drugs. I do not believe that someone needs the type of gun used in Sandy Hook, but if someone wants to have that type of gun and use it, they will find someone who sells it and they will buy it, even if it's out of the trunk of someones car.
P.S I don't think anyone is stupid LOL I just saw this pic on facebook then came on here and saw this post so I figured it fit. NO OFFENCE TO ANYONE....
Your meme is stupid, you are not.
I can walk into a gun show and buy an unlimited amount of heavy assault weapons and unlimited amount of hi cap magazines with a driver's license.
Me. Right now. Today.
I can take those weapons and distribute them to all my gun loving crack dealing friends.
Me.
I can do that.
And it's LEGAL because the NRA wants it to be.
40% of LEGAL guns are sold this way.
74% of NRA member support closing this gap.
You say the problem is criminals and illegal activity.
I say the problem is making them as easy to get as a cheeseburger. LEGALLY.
Now, tell me again how improved laws won't change anything?
I can also call people right now and find heroin, crack, pills, weed, acid, mushrooms. Sex addicts can find a 15 year old girl to get a blow job from tonight by stopping at a corner, I can go into the city a buy knock off LV bags. There are laws against this type of stuff and it is still happening
So let's keep gun laws the same and screw the innocent people who are in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Last time I checked, a mentally unstable person who walked into an elementary school with a crackpipe, a hooker, or a knockoff bag didn't kill 20 innocent babies and 6 adults in a matter of minutes.
Don't you realize he was out to kill??????? He wanted to kill people!!!!!!!!! If gun control laws tighten up, that guy would not have said hmmmm it is against the law now to go buy this gun so I am not going to use it. He would have bought it anyway from a black market gun dealer. I am not saying that the current laws should not be looked over, all I am saying is by making them stricter you are not stopping some psycho path who wants to kill from killing.
ETA: And I know he didn't buy the gun, it was in the house I am just saying a killer will kill
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Celt
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by colette
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by colette
Posted by PennyJ923
Stricter gun control laws will not prevent criminals or any citizen from obtaining any kind of gun they want to own, just like drug dealers & users are able to get drugs. I do not believe that someone needs the type of gun used in Sandy Hook, but if someone wants to have that type of gun and use it, they will find someone who sells it and they will buy it, even if it's out of the trunk of someones car.
P.S I don't think anyone is stupid LOL I just saw this pic on facebook then came on here and saw this post so I figured it fit. NO OFFENCE TO ANYONE....
Your meme is stupid, you are not.
I can walk into a gun show and buy an unlimited amount of heavy assault weapons and unlimited amount of hi cap magazines with a driver's license.
Me. Right now. Today.
I can take those weapons and distribute them to all my gun loving crack dealing friends.
Me.
I can do that.
And it's LEGAL because the NRA wants it to be.
40% of LEGAL guns are sold this way.
74% of NRA member support closing this gap.
You say the problem is criminals and illegal activity.
I say the problem is making them as easy to get as a cheeseburger. LEGALLY.
Now, tell me again how improved laws won't change anything?
I can also call people right now and find heroin, crack, pills, weed, acid, mushrooms. Sex addicts can find a 15 year old girl to get a blow job from tonight by stopping at a corner, I can go into the city a buy knock off LV bags. There are laws against this type of stuff and it is still happening
And as soon as we have our very first SEX, heroin, crack, pill, weed, acid, mushroom massacre of 20 6 year olds I will be all over that too.
Trite analogy. You can do better.
Drug addiction is out of control in this country. Maybe 20 6 year olds arn't dieing of overdose, but millions of teenager are. We can agree to disagree all day, my point is if someone wants to do something they will find a way no matter what the law says. Laws are broken every day, illegal activy is performed all day every day. That is my point and I am sticking by it.
False analogy. Not even remotely worthy of a gun control discussion. Drug laws are not being paid for by the United Crack Dealers association. When they are call me.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by PennyJ923
Posted by colette
Posted by PennyJ923
Stricter gun control laws will not prevent criminals or any citizen from obtaining any kind of gun they want to own, just like drug dealers & users are able to get drugs. I do not believe that someone needs the type of gun used in Sandy Hook, but if someone wants to have that type of gun and use it, they will find someone who sells it and they will buy it, even if it's out of the trunk of someones car.
P.S I don't think anyone is stupid LOL I just saw this pic on facebook then came on here and saw this post so I figured it fit. NO OFFENCE TO ANYONE....
Your meme is stupid, you are not.
I can walk into a gun show and buy an unlimited amount of heavy assault weapons and unlimited amount of hi cap magazines with a driver's license.
Me. Right now. Today.
I can take those weapons and distribute them to all my gun loving crack dealing friends.
Me.
I can do that.
And it's LEGAL because the NRA wants it to be.
40% of LEGAL guns are sold this way.
74% of NRA member support closing this gap.
You say the problem is criminals and illegal activity.
I say the problem is making them as easy to get as a cheeseburger. LEGALLY.
Now, tell me again how improved laws won't change anything?
I can also call people right now and find heroin, crack, pills, weed, acid, mushrooms. Sex addicts can find a 15 year old girl to get a blow job from tonight by stopping at a corner, I can go into the city a buy knock off LV bags. There are laws against this type of stuff and it is still happening
So let's keep gun laws the same and screw the innocent people who are in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Last time I checked, a mentally unstable person who walked into an elementary school with a crackpipe, a hooker, or a knockoff bag didn't kill 20 innocent babies and 6 adults in a matter of minutes.
Don't you realize he was out to kill??????? He wanted to kill people!!!!!!!!! If gun control laws tighten up, that guy would not have said hmmmm it is against the law now to go buy this gun so I am not going to use it. He would have bought it anyway from a black market gun dealer. I am not saying that the current laws should not be looked over, all I am saying is by making them stricter you are not stopping some psycho path who wants to kill from killing.
On top of his other problems Adam Lanza was a p*ssy. Not typically the type to go out and make a back alley gun deal. But I applaud your standing up for his mum's easy access to assault weapons. And waving away the reality that the laws being considered RIGHT NOW would have kept those guns, or those types of guns out of her household. You're a true patriot.
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