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ElizaRags35
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by Blissful
As someone who lives in Newtown and has a first hand account of all of this, here is what I'm going to say.
If Nancy Lanza didn't have those weapons he would not have succeeded as he visited 5 gun shops over the course of the week prior to purchase guns and was denied.
As someone who WENT to funeral and saw those babies bodies because most were open casket I will say this. These weapons and bullets are made to DESTROY. The bullet used, when it enters the body opens like a flower and is used to severely damage tissue and blast it.
A shot gun and and pistol would not have done so much damage, those children might have had a chance to live. The two babies brought to the hospital might have survived.
These man BLASTED OFF ands of children with one bullet, the entire side and jaw of anothers face, half of the torso of another acts that could have only been done with these assault rifles.They had NO chance or survival.
I'm sorry if this is harsh but this is the reality. I saw one little boy who had a cloth covering the side of his head that was blasted off the same boy whos hand and lower arms was GONE by another bullet...... These babies were RIPPED TO SHREDS.
Half of Victoria Sotos' class watched as the teacher was slain and witness blood gushing out of her mouth as she was shot in the neck and chest..... 6 year old babies lived to see that.
These weren't simple gun wounds, this was a slaughter. SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE!!!!
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
I am having a really hard time looking at the size of that bullet, thinking of Noah Pozner, and imagining 11 of them going through his body.
I am really have a hard time with the defense of THIS STYLE of weapon. with the capacity for so much carnage.
I am having a hard time believing this is a debate.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
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I merely responded to your post, you're the one blowing it out of proportion. You have not made a single useful point. You keep saying they're gonna get them anyway, and when I say how ridiculous the line of reasoning is, you act like I've got the problem?
Speak to me like an adult and tell me what you think is an effective measure? You clearly stated that gun control will not stop these killings, so what do you think will?
Self rightousness at it's best . And I am done with this "debate". Some people live in a dream world filled with rainbows and candy canes!! 
I'd rather have hope than say "oh well, it won't change... eff it"
I am by no means saying don't have HOPE. I pray everyday that my children are safe and that my STB DH who goes out almost every night fighting all of this and trying to keep all of YOU safe. I never said for a second that we shouldn't hope. But I am being realistic. Maybe it's because I know way too much about what goes on out there, more than maybe a normal person would .. Maybe I'm jaded but I always hope.
Hope is freaking awesome but doesn't take away high-powered assault rifles and the ridiculous ammunition that goes with it.
You go on hoping. Some people are actually trying to DO something about it. I don't expect that you should - or that you should even want to - but don't knock people for trying and say stupid ish like "people will still get guns illegally" and "gosh I hope this doesn't happen again" and then sob hysterically when it DOES because it WILL.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
I am having an even harder time with this after reading what you wrote Maria.
I can't.
I would honestly give up any other debate. I would cede everything-take Obamacare, take tax reform, take Immigration reform. TAKE IT ALL.
just stop debating these weapons of utter destruction. they are just NOT NOT NOT necessary to our way of life in any way shape or form. they are the antithesis of life.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
If this doesn't put it into perspective or give a little more clarity, I don't know what will.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
The antithesis of life.
Well put Ophelia
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Alexandra17
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The argument is not
I think I'm going to be sick after reading that. I'm so sorry you saw this.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
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The antithesis of life.
Well put Ophelia
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HeathKernandez
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by LIVINMYDREAM
I am by no means saying don't have HOPE. I pray everyday that my children are safe and that my STB DH who goes out almost every night fighting all of this and trying to keep all of YOU safe. I never said for a second that we shouldn't hope. But I am being realistic. Maybe it's because I know way too much about what goes on out there, more than maybe a normal person would .. Maybe I'm jaded but I always hope.
Why are you assuming I DON'T know what's "going on" out there? Because I'm not *married* to a cop?
I'm actually doing something about how I feel... I'm not just sitting behind a computer talking about what I "want" to happen.
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ElizaRags35
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The argument is not
I wish more people were concerned about the protection of innocent people and innocent children rather than the protection of their weapons.
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The argument is not
Oops wrong name!
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Regardless if you feel people have the right to bear arms to protect themselves- I want to know what the purpose of these high powered weapons are?
If you are looking to protect yourself and family from an intruder a small caliber gun will do, no?
What use does a gun like the one we are speaking of serve - other than to kill as many people as possible in as short a period of time as possible?
What is the "legal" use of this particular gun?
Game hunting?
I dont' think so.
What?
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The argument is not
I am so tired of the "gun control won't stop criminals" argument. Of course it won't- they are criminals. But it might deter some of them who don't have the resources to find illegal assault weapons.
WHY make it easy for them?
And just because the drug analogy was brought up. I can't even go to a cvs and a walgreens in one day and buy sudafed in one place and claritin in another because I could be suspected of having a meth lab in my home? WHY is there stricter control over cold medicine than there is for assault weapons?!
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by ElizaRags35
I wish more people were concerned about the protection of innocent people and innocent children rather than the protection of their weapons.
my mother was just saying to me today...about people b*tching the gov't is trying to infringe on their "rights..."
there are laws about wearing seat belts why aren't people up in arms saying "it's my life-- don't tell me what to do"
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by Blissful
As someone who lives in Newtown and has a first hand account of all of this, here is what I'm going to say.
If Nancy Lanza didn't have those weapons he would not have succeeded as he visited 5 gun shops over the course of the week prior to purchase guns and was denied.
As someone who WENT to funeral and saw those babies bodies because most were open casket I will say this. These weapons and bullets are made to DESTROY. The bullet used, when it enters the body opens like a flower and is used to severely damage tissue and blast it.
A shot gun and and pistol would not have done so much damage, those children might have had a chance to live. The two babies brought to the hospital might have survived.
These man BLASTED OFF ands of children with one bullet, the entire side and jaw of anothers face, half of the torso of another acts that could have only been done with these assault rifles.They had NO chance or survival.
I'm sorry if this is harsh but this is the reality. I saw one little boy who had a cloth covering the side of his head that was blasted off the same boy whos hand and lower arms was GONE by another bullet...... These babies were RIPPED TO SHREDS.
Half of Victoria Sotos' class watched as the teacher was slain and witness blood gushing out of her mouth as she was shot in the neck and chest..... 6 year old babies lived to see that.
These weren't simple gun wounds, this was a slaughter. SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE!!!!
My heart is shattered by this.
I am just deflated.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by ElizaRags35
I wish more people were concerned about the protection of innocent people and innocent children rather than the protection of their weapons.
see...this is what upsets me. This assumption that anyone uttering the slightest of pro 2nd amendment rights is either obviously against gun control or less sympathetic. It's BS. I'm a mother. You think I want to see that? I don't even OWN a gun...but I do feel strongly about maintaining my right to own one...especially because of how crazy society is lately and the home invasions on LI.
I am disgusted and saddened by what happened in Newtown. I cried when I read the euology written by pozner's mother. I can't imagine being in that position. I think I would just curl up and die.
People aren't voicing opinions to be unsympathetic...or because they don't care enough about human life vs rights to an inanimate object. it's because it's a topic being brought up in the media 24/7 and it is a hot topic right now.
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HeathKernandez
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
Posted by ElizaRags35
I wish more people were concerned about the protection of innocent people and innocent children rather than the protection of their weapons.
see...this is what upsets me. This assumption that anyone uttering the slightest of pro 2nd amendment rights is either obviously against gun control or less sympathetic. It's BS. I'm a mother. You think I want to see that? I don't even OWN a gun...but I do feel strongly about maintaining my right to own one...especially because of how crazy society is lately and the home invasions on LI.
I am disgusted and saddened by what happened in Newtown. I cried when I read the euology written by pozner's mother. I can't imagine being in that position. I think I would just curl up and die.
People aren't voicing opinions to be unsympathetic...or because they don't care enough about human life vs rights to an inanimate object. it's because it's a topic being brought up in the media 24/7 and it is a hot topic right now.
omg stop. just stop
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Ophelia
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
Posted by ElizaRags35
I wish more people were concerned about the protection of innocent people and innocent children rather than the protection of their weapons.
see...this is what upsets me. This assumption that anyone uttering the slightest of pro 2nd amendment rights is either obviously against gun control or less sympathetic. It's BS. I'm a mother. You think I want to see that? I don't even OWN a gun...but I do feel strongly about maintaining my right to own one...especially because of how crazy society is lately and the home invasions on LI.
I am disgusted and saddened by what happened in Newtown. I cried when I read the euology written by pozner's mother. I can't imagine being in that position. I think I would just curl up and die.
People aren't voicing opinions to be unsympathetic...or because they don't care enough about human life vs rights to an inanimate object. it's because it's a topic being brought up in the media 24/7 and it is a hot topic right now.
so wait, are you for or against an assault weapons ban, a closing of gun show loopholes, and backround checks for ALL gun licensing and ownership?
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Ophelia
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
the thing that I don't get is that there are thousands of weapons that are banned. that we cannot have. the banning of those weapons did not infringe uponn the publics right to have another. why do people think this should be different?
what responsible gun owner would balk at getting a backround check. what NON FELON would care?
I just do not get it.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
For all of those things...I've said so, many times and yet I'm still dubbed a gun nut on this site
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by Blissful
As someone who lives in Newtown and has a first hand account of all of this, here is what I'm going to say.
If Nancy Lanza didn't have those weapons he would not have succeeded as he visited 5 gun shops over the course of the week prior to purchase guns and was denied.
As someone who WENT to funeral and saw those babies bodies because most were open casket I will say this. These weapons and bullets are made to DESTROY. The bullet used, when it enters the body opens like a flower and is used to severely damage tissue and blast it.
A shot gun and and pistol would not have done so much damage, those children might have had a chance to live. The two babies brought to the hospital might have survived.
These man BLASTED OFF ands of children with one bullet, the entire side and jaw of anothers face, half of the torso of another acts that could have only been done with these assault rifles.They had NO chance or survival.
I'm sorry if this is harsh but this is the reality. I saw one little boy who had a cloth covering the side of his head that was blasted off the same boy whos hand and lower arms was GONE by another bullet...... These babies were RIPPED TO SHREDS.
Half of Victoria Sotos' class watched as the teacher was slain and witness blood gushing out of her mouth as she was shot in the neck and chest..... 6 year old babies lived to see that.
These weren't simple gun wounds, this was a slaughter. SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE!!!!
bc this is all that matters.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
For all of those things...I've said so, many times and yet I'm still dubbed a gun nut on this site
thanks for clarifying!
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by colette
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Stricter gun control laws will not prevent criminals or any citizen from obtaining any kind of gun they want to own, just like drug dealers & users are able to get drugs. I do not believe that someone needs the type of gun used in Sandy Hook, but if someone wants to have that type of gun and use it, they will find someone who sells it and they will buy it, even if it's out of the trunk of someones car.
P.S I don't think anyone is stupid LOL I just saw this pic on facebook then came on here and saw this post so I figured it fit. NO OFFENCE TO ANYONE....
Your meme is stupid, you are not.
I can walk into a gun show and buy an unlimited amount of heavy assault weapons and unlimited amount of hi cap magazines with a driver's license.
Me. Right now. Today.
I can take those weapons and distribute them to all my gun loving crack dealing friends.
Me.
I can do that.
And it's LEGAL because the NRA wants it to be.
40% of LEGAL guns are sold this way.
74% of NRA member support closing this gap.
You say the problem is criminals and illegal activity.
I say the problem is making them as easy to get as a cheeseburger. LEGALLY.
Now, tell me again how improved laws won't change anything?
I can also call people right now and find heroin, crack, pills, weed, acid, mushrooms. Sex addicts can find a 15 year old girl to get a blow job from tonight by stopping at a corner, I can go into the city a buy knock off LV bags. There are laws against this type of stuff and it is still happening
And as soon as we have our very first SEX, heroin, crack, pill, weed, acid, mushroom massacre of 20 6 year olds I will be all over that too.
Trite analogy. You can do better.
ETA: There are bad laws regarding guns. Many BAD laws. NRA sponsored and diluted. And when they can't change the law itself they sue the government to protect their BFFs, the GUN MAKERS.
Wake up. It's not a 2nd amendment issue. It's not about protecting your family. Not one bit.
As one of the people who posted on the "mother defends her children with a gun" thread as a supporter of the 2nd amendment, I want to clarify I am NOT a supporter of the willy nilly, buy assault rifles at a gun show with no background checks or waiting period at all. That is ludicrous. I can't believe it was EVER allowed. I believe in (normal-ie. 9mm, rifles etc.) guns for protection.
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ElizaRags35
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
Posted by ElizaRags35
I wish more people were concerned about the protection of innocent people and innocent children rather than the protection of their weapons.
see...this is what upsets me. This assumption that anyone uttering the slightest of pro 2nd amendment rights is either obviously against gun control or less sympathetic. It's BS. I'm a mother. You think I want to see that? I don't even OWN a gun...but I do feel strongly about maintaining my right to own one...especially because of how crazy society is lately and the home invasions on LI.
I am disgusted and saddened by what happened in Newtown. I cried when I read the euology written by pozner's mother. I can't imagine being in that position. I think I would just curl up and die.
People aren't voicing opinions to be unsympathetic...or because they don't care enough about human life vs rights to an inanimate object. it's because it's a topic being brought up in the media 24/7 and it is a hot topic right now.
You're right. Alex Jones is super sympathetic. This guy too.
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Re: The argument is not "GUNS" vs. "NO GUNS"
Posted by MrsMeloyellow
see...this is what upsets me. This assumption that anyone uttering the slightest of pro 2nd amendment rights is either obviously against gun control or less sympathetic. It's BS. I'm a mother. You think I want to see that? I don't even OWN a gun...but I do feel strongly about maintaining my right to own one. ..especially because of how crazy society is lately and the home invasions on LI. I am disgusted and saddened by what happened in Newtown. I cried when I read the euology written by pozner's mother. I can't imagine being in that position. I think I would just curl up and die. People aren't voicing opinions to be unsympathetic...or because they don't care enough about human life vs rights to an inanimate object. it's because it's a topic being brought up in the media 24/7 and it is a hot topic right now.
you feel strongly about maintaining your right to own an assault weapon???
isn't that what this is about? regulating ASSAULT weapons?
round and round we go on the LIF merry-go-round.....
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