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Re: They/Them
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
I honestly don't think anyone on this thread has said they will purposely call someone a pronoun they asked not to be called. Or ignore a request by a person to be called a certain pronoun just to be a real asshole
Or teach their kid to do that.
But everything gets spun.
Everything
It is seriously unREAL.
It's as if people don't want to read or are just already so on attack mode they don't see what is actually being said.
Yes, it’s super common amongst teens these days. Major social contagion. I roll my eyes whenever I hear , “ they/ them, personally. So silly.
It sounds extremely weird and awkward. The whole concept is silly. Even if you don’t feel like a boy or a girl , you are biologically one or the other. Feel however you like internally, but don’t expect other people to cater to it with this silliness.
Who you like and what you do in your bedroom should mean NOTHING to anyone else but yourself. You do you but to push it on these kids that they need to come out as one of these 70 something genders and for businesses to have to put on their forms, male, female or other is just ridiculous.
“ Whatever someone identifies with isn’t what sexual organ they were born with.”
Amazing this has worked for a LONG time and everyone was fine with it.
They / them is silly because it’s asking people to use made up words that defy material reality. I don’t like having my speech policed and I don’t like being asked to use words that I feel reflect fantasy.
My kids are as compassionate as they come. You raise compassionate kids by showing them how to love, give and embrace however that doesn't mean as as a parent have to force them to worry about how the may offend a VERY VERY small population. Most people are not worried about being called they/them. That is crazy. As long as my kids are kids, they will identify people to how they see them, boy or girl, he/she, Miss, Mr. etc just like we always have all these years. I refuse to have them bend to this woke trend.
Silly. Ridiculous. Roll My Eyes. Woke Trend. Really inspires a feeling of inclusion and understanding for how other people feel.
Facts don’t care about your feelings. For every piece of scientific literature that is pushed forth supporting gender dysmorphia there is another calling its legitimacy into doubt. And that’s OK because people should be allowed to form different opinions without getting attacked by the liberal “know-it-all” brigade.
This isn't about a "know-it-all" brigade or whatever you are spouting off about. Call people what they want to be called. It's called decency.
A name and pronouns are very important to people. It's a part of their identity. You don't get to dictate what someone calls themselves. I'm sure if you are manly looking and someone referred to you (collective) as a 'he,' you would feel embarrassed.
You also don't get to dictate whether or not someone has to call you anything. Works both ways
Yeah, no. I get to dictate what someone calls me by *my* name. It's my identity. Can't accept that? not my problem.
ETA: I have been called many names because my parents gave me lots of names. I choose. Bottom line. Call me that or that's it.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
I honestly don't think anyone on this thread has said they will purposely call someone a pronoun they asked not to be called. Or ignore a request by a person to be called a certain pronoun just to be a real asshole
Or teach their kid to do that.
But everything gets spun.
Everything
It is seriously unREAL.
It's as if people don't want to read or are just already so on attack mode they don't see what is actually being said.
Yes, it’s super common amongst teens these days. Major social contagion. I roll my eyes whenever I hear , “ they/ them, personally. So silly.
It sounds extremely weird and awkward. The whole concept is silly. Even if you don’t feel like a boy or a girl , you are biologically one or the other. Feel however you like internally, but don’t expect other people to cater to it with this silliness.
Who you like and what you do in your bedroom should mean NOTHING to anyone else but yourself. You do you but to push it on these kids that they need to come out as one of these 70 something genders and for businesses to have to put on their forms, male, female or other is just ridiculous.
“ Whatever someone identifies with isn’t what sexual organ they were born with.”
Amazing this has worked for a LONG time and everyone was fine with it.
They / them is silly because it’s asking people to use made up words that defy material reality. I don’t like having my speech policed and I don’t like being asked to use words that I feel reflect fantasy.
My kids are as compassionate as they come. You raise compassionate kids by showing them how to love, give and embrace however that doesn't mean as as a parent have to force them to worry about how the may offend a VERY VERY small population. Most people are not worried about being called they/them. That is crazy. As long as my kids are kids, they will identify people to how they see them, boy or girl, he/she, Miss, Mr. etc just like we always have all these years. I refuse to have them bend to this woke trend.
Silly. Ridiculous. Roll My Eyes. Woke Trend. Really inspires a feeling of inclusion and understanding for how other people feel.
Facts don’t care about your feelings. For every piece of scientific literature that is pushed forth supporting gender dysmorphia there is another calling its legitimacy into doubt. And that’s OK because people should be allowed to form different opinions without getting attacked by the liberal “know-it-all” brigade.
This isn't about a "know-it-all" brigade or whatever you are spouting off about. Call people what they want to be called. It's called decency.
A name and pronouns are very important to people. It's a part of their identity. You don't get to dictate what someone calls themselves. I'm sure if you are manly looking and someone referred to you (collective) as a 'he,' you would feel embarrassed.
You also don't get to dictate whether or not someone has to call you anything. Works both ways
How many names do you have?
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Re: They/Them
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
I honestly don't think anyone on this thread has said they will purposely call someone a pronoun they asked not to be called. Or ignore a request by a person to be called a certain pronoun just to be a real asshole
Or teach their kid to do that.
But everything gets spun.
Everything
It is seriously unREAL.
It's as if people don't want to read or are just already so on attack mode they don't see what is actually being said.
Yes, it’s super common amongst teens these days. Major social contagion. I roll my eyes whenever I hear , “ they/ them, personally. So silly.
It sounds extremely weird and awkward. The whole concept is silly. Even if you don’t feel like a boy or a girl , you are biologically one or the other. Feel however you like internally, but don’t expect other people to cater to it with this silliness.
Who you like and what you do in your bedroom should mean NOTHING to anyone else but yourself. You do you but to push it on these kids that they need to come out as one of these 70 something genders and for businesses to have to put on their forms, male, female or other is just ridiculous.
“ Whatever someone identifies with isn’t what sexual organ they were born with.”
Amazing this has worked for a LONG time and everyone was fine with it.
They / them is silly because it’s asking people to use made up words that defy material reality. I don’t like having my speech policed and I don’t like being asked to use words that I feel reflect fantasy.
My kids are as compassionate as they come. You raise compassionate kids by showing them how to love, give and embrace however that doesn't mean as as a parent have to force them to worry about how the may offend a VERY VERY small population. Most people are not worried about being called they/them. That is crazy. As long as my kids are kids, they will identify people to how they see them, boy or girl, he/she, Miss, Mr. etc just like we always have all these years. I refuse to have them bend to this woke trend.
Silly. Ridiculous. Roll My Eyes. Woke Trend. Really inspires a feeling of inclusion and understanding for how other people feel.
Facts don’t care about your feelings. For every piece of scientific literature that is pushed forth supporting gender dysmorphia there is another calling its legitimacy into doubt. And that’s OK because people should be allowed to form different opinions without getting attacked by the liberal “know-it-all” brigade.
This isn't about a "know-it-all" brigade or whatever you are spouting off about. Call people what they want to be called. It's called decency.
A name and pronouns are very important to people. It's a part of their identity. You don't get to dictate what someone calls themselves. I'm sure if you are manly looking and someone referred to you (collective) as a 'he,' you would feel embarrassed.
You also don't get to dictate whether or not someone has to call you anything. Works both ways
Except that you do get to dictate what someone calls you.
You get to dictate the nicknames people use, how you wish to be addressed whether that's by your first, middle or last name, you get to dictate if someone calls you by Mr., Mrs., Miss. etc and you get to dictate what pronouns people use to address you. The individual gets to dictate ALL of that and everyone else needs to be respectful and comply no matter your sex, race, gender, sexuality etc etc.
What kind of person would ignore how one wants to be addressed? That would be a weird request to ignore. If someone introduced themselves as Frank, would you call him Paul instead because you don't like the name Frank and you won't be told what to call someone? I would hope not since that would make zero sense.
So yea, we all dictate to others how we want to be addressed and that's normal.
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They/Them
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Re: They/Them
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Re: They/Them
There are 2 very long time users that are going through this with their teen children right now.
If you saw the pain, the devastation, the fear, the longing that they have for their children to just be typical. Just be the same as most. They have lost what they dreamed of for their children and will forge new paths for them. They watch their children be taunted, ostracized, bullied EVERY DAY! Every day they worry - will this be the day that my child decides they can't go on? That the pain and unknown is too much. Will this need to transition to what I feel I really am be cause me to hate myself so much that I take my life?
Those are things they deal with every minute of every day.
It's not woke culture or following the trend.
And if you or your children are too d@nm uncomfortable to use a pronoun to make someone else feel better or more included - then shame on you!
Some of the comments on this thread are disgusting and show how morally bankrupt some of you are.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by CookiePuss
There are 2 very long time users that are going through this with their teen children right now.
If you saw the pain, the devastation, the fear, the longing that they have for their children to just be typical. Just be the same as most. They have lost what they dreamed of for their children and will forge new paths for them. They watch their children be taunted, ostracized, bullied EVERY DAY! Every day they worry - will this be the day that my child decides they can't go on? That the pain and unknown is too much. Will this need to transition to what I feel I really am be cause me to hate myself so much that I take my life?
Those are things they deal with every minute of every day.
It's not woke culture or following the trend.
And if you or your children are too d@nm uncomfortable to use a pronoun to make someone else feel better or more included - then shame on you!
Some of the comments on this thread are disgusting and show how morally bankrupt some of you are.
Thank you.
The posts that said they wouldn't cater to the "very very very few people" -- what if your child, your friend, your family was one of those very very very few? You don't know until it is you going through it. I am not dealing with this personally but have family members with other differences and until I had to live it I would have never understood what the impacts of judgement really are. I saw on facebook that a little boy, 12 years old took his own life. How do you know what impacted that decision? What makes one reason any better or worse than another?
Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by CookiePuss
There are 2 very long time users that are going through this with their teen children right now.
If you saw the pain, the devastation, the fear, the longing that they have for their children to just be typical. Just be the same as most. They have lost what they dreamed of for their children and will forge new paths for them. They watch their children be taunted, ostracized, bullied EVERY DAY! Every day they worry - will this be the day that my child decides they can't go on? That the pain and unknown is too much. Will this need to transition to what I feel I really am be cause me to hate myself so much that I take my life?
Those are things they deal with every minute of every day.
It's not woke culture or following the trend.
And if you or your children are too d@nm uncomfortable to use a pronoun to make someone else feel better or more included - then shame on you!
Some of the comments on this thread are disgusting and show how morally bankrupt some of you are.
Thank you!
Perfectly said.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by b2b777
Posted by CookiePuss
There are 2 very long time users that are going through this with their teen children right now.
If you saw the pain, the devastation, the fear, the longing that they have for their children to just be typical. Just be the same as most. They have lost what they dreamed of for their children and will forge new paths for them. They watch their children be taunted, ostracized, bullied EVERY DAY! Every day they worry - will this be the day that my child decides they can't go on? That the pain and unknown is too much. Will this need to transition to what I feel I really am be cause me to hate myself so much that I take my life?
Those are things they deal with every minute of every day.
It's not woke culture or following the trend.
And if you or your children are too d@nm uncomfortable to use a pronoun to make someone else feel better or more included - then shame on you!
Some of the comments on this thread are disgusting and show how morally bankrupt some of you are.
Thank you.
The posts that said they wouldn't cater to the "very very very few people" -- what if your child, your friend, your family was one of those very very very few? You don't know until it is you going through it. I am not dealing with this personally but have family members with other differences and until I had to live it I would have never understood what the impacts of judgement really are. I saw on facebook that a little boy, 12 years old took his own life. How do you know what impacted that decision? What makes one reason any better or worse than another?
Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not.
Both comments are very well stated and on point. Thank you for sharing your POV.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by b2b777
Posted by CookiePuss
There are 2 very long time users that are going through this with their teen children right now.
If you saw the pain, the devastation, the fear, the longing that they have for their children to just be typical. Just be the same as most. They have lost what they dreamed of for their children and will forge new paths for them. They watch their children be taunted, ostracized, bullied EVERY DAY! Every day they worry - will this be the day that my child decides they can't go on? That the pain and unknown is too much. Will this need to transition to what I feel I really am be cause me to hate myself so much that I take my life?
Those are things they deal with every minute of every day.
It's not woke culture or following the trend.
And if you or your children are too d@nm uncomfortable to use a pronoun to make someone else feel better or more included - then shame on you!
Some of the comments on this thread are disgusting and show how morally bankrupt some of you are.
Thank you.
The posts that said they wouldn't cater to the "very very very few people" -- what if your child, your friend, your family was one of those very very very few? You don't know until it is you going through it. I am not dealing with this personally but have family members with other differences and until I had to live it I would have never understood what the impacts of judgement really are. I saw on facebook that a little boy, 12 years old took his own life. How do you know what impacted that decision? What makes one reason any better or worse than another?
Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not.
"Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not."
Many should follow this as I can tell you the things people on this board who claim they are kind and teach their kids too have said some doozies on here.
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MrsWoods
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Re: They/Them
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
I honestly don't think anyone on this thread has said they will purposely call someone a pronoun they asked not to be called. Or ignore a request by a person to be called a certain pronoun just to be a real asshole
Or teach their kid to do that.
But everything gets spun.
Everything
It is seriously unREAL.
It's as if people don't want to read or are just already so on attack mode they don't see what is actually being said.
Yes, it’s super common amongst teens these days. Major social contagion. I roll my eyes whenever I hear , “ they/ them, personally. So silly.
It sounds extremely weird and awkward. The whole concept is silly. Even if you don’t feel like a boy or a girl , you are biologically one or the other. Feel however you like internally, but don’t expect other people to cater to it with this silliness.
Who you like and what you do in your bedroom should mean NOTHING to anyone else but yourself. You do you but to push it on these kids that they need to come out as one of these 70 something genders and for businesses to have to put on their forms, male, female or other is just ridiculous.
“ Whatever someone identifies with isn’t what sexual organ they were born with.”
Amazing this has worked for a LONG time and everyone was fine with it.
They / them is silly because it’s asking people to use made up words that defy material reality. I don’t like having my speech policed and I don’t like being asked to use words that I feel reflect fantasy.
My kids are as compassionate as they come. You raise compassionate kids by showing them how to love, give and embrace however that doesn't mean as as a parent have to force them to worry about how the may offend a VERY VERY small population. Most people are not worried about being called they/them. That is crazy. As long as my kids are kids, they will identify people to how they see them, boy or girl, he/she, Miss, Mr. etc just like we always have all these years. I refuse to have them bend to this woke trend.
Silly. Ridiculous. Roll My Eyes. Woke Trend. Really inspires a feeling of inclusion and understanding for how other people feel.
Facts don’t care about your feelings. For every piece of scientific literature that is pushed forth supporting gender dysmorphia there is another calling its legitimacy into doubt. And that’s OK because people should be allowed to form different opinions without getting attacked by the liberal “know-it-all” brigade.
This isn't about a "know-it-all" brigade or whatever you are spouting off about. Call people what they want to be called. It's called decency.
A name and pronouns are very important to people. It's a part of their identity. You don't get to dictate what someone calls themselves. I'm sure if you are manly looking and someone referred to you (collective) as a 'he,' you would feel embarrassed.
You also don't get to dictate whether or not someone has to call you anything. Works both ways
Yeah, no. I get to dictate what someone calls me by *my* name. It's my identity. Can't accept that? not my problem.
ETA: I have been called many names because my parents gave me lots of names. I choose. Bottom line. Call me that or that's it.
Are you talking about names or me referring to you as they/them. I have no problem calling you by your name but i will not starting saying "Hey They!" Whats your name? I will say your name whether chosen or born with it.
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MrsWoods
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Re: They/Them
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
I honestly don't think anyone on this thread has said they will purposely call someone a pronoun they asked not to be called. Or ignore a request by a person to be called a certain pronoun just to be a real asshole
Or teach their kid to do that.
But everything gets spun.
Everything
It is seriously unREAL.
It's as if people don't want to read or are just already so on attack mode they don't see what is actually being said.
Yes, it’s super common amongst teens these days. Major social contagion. I roll my eyes whenever I hear , “ they/ them, personally. So silly.
It sounds extremely weird and awkward. The whole concept is silly. Even if you don’t feel like a boy or a girl , you are biologically one or the other. Feel however you like internally, but don’t expect other people to cater to it with this silliness.
Who you like and what you do in your bedroom should mean NOTHING to anyone else but yourself. You do you but to push it on these kids that they need to come out as one of these 70 something genders and for businesses to have to put on their forms, male, female or other is just ridiculous.
“ Whatever someone identifies with isn’t what sexual organ they were born with.”
Amazing this has worked for a LONG time and everyone was fine with it.
They / them is silly because it’s asking people to use made up words that defy material reality. I don’t like having my speech policed and I don’t like being asked to use words that I feel reflect fantasy.
My kids are as compassionate as they come. You raise compassionate kids by showing them how to love, give and embrace however that doesn't mean as as a parent have to force them to worry about how the may offend a VERY VERY small population. Most people are not worried about being called they/them. That is crazy. As long as my kids are kids, they will identify people to how they see them, boy or girl, he/she, Miss, Mr. etc just like we always have all these years. I refuse to have them bend to this woke trend.
Silly. Ridiculous. Roll My Eyes. Woke Trend. Really inspires a feeling of inclusion and understanding for how other people feel.
Facts don’t care about your feelings. For every piece of scientific literature that is pushed forth supporting gender dysmorphia there is another calling its legitimacy into doubt. And that’s OK because people should be allowed to form different opinions without getting attacked by the liberal “know-it-all” brigade.
This isn't about a "know-it-all" brigade or whatever you are spouting off about. Call people what they want to be called. It's called decency.
A name and pronouns are very important to people. It's a part of their identity. You don't get to dictate what someone calls themselves. I'm sure if you are manly looking and someone referred to you (collective) as a 'he,' you would feel embarrassed.
You also don't get to dictate whether or not someone has to call you anything. Works both ways
Except that you do get to dictate what someone calls you.
You get to dictate the nicknames people use, how you wish to be addressed whether that's by your first, middle or last name, you get to dictate if someone calls you by Mr., Mrs., Miss. etc and you get to dictate what pronouns people use to address you. The individual gets to dictate ALL of that and everyone else needs to be respectful and comply no matter your sex, race, gender, sexuality etc etc.
What kind of person would ignore how one wants to be addressed? That would be a weird request to ignore. If someone introduced themselves as Frank, would you call him Paul instead because you don't like the name Frank and you won't be told what to call someone? I would hope not since that would make zero sense.
So yea, we all dictate to others how we want to be addressed and that's normal.
You got a name, i will call you by your name. But there is no way anyone gets to dictate me calling you they/them. I will mention you by name.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by RomeyT
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by lululu
Posted by NervousNell
I honestly don't think anyone on this thread has said they will purposely call someone a pronoun they asked not to be called. Or ignore a request by a person to be called a certain pronoun just to be a real asshole
Or teach their kid to do that.
But everything gets spun.
Everything
It is seriously unREAL.
It's as if people don't want to read or are just already so on attack mode they don't see what is actually being said.
Yes, it’s super common amongst teens these days. Major social contagion. I roll my eyes whenever I hear , “ they/ them, personally. So silly.
It sounds extremely weird and awkward. The whole concept is silly. Even if you don’t feel like a boy or a girl , you are biologically one or the other. Feel however you like internally, but don’t expect other people to cater to it with this silliness.
Who you like and what you do in your bedroom should mean NOTHING to anyone else but yourself. You do you but to push it on these kids that they need to come out as one of these 70 something genders and for businesses to have to put on their forms, male, female or other is just ridiculous.
“ Whatever someone identifies with isn’t what sexual organ they were born with.”
Amazing this has worked for a LONG time and everyone was fine with it.
They / them is silly because it’s asking people to use made up words that defy material reality. I don’t like having my speech policed and I don’t like being asked to use words that I feel reflect fantasy.
My kids are as compassionate as they come. You raise compassionate kids by showing them how to love, give and embrace however that doesn't mean as as a parent have to force them to worry about how the may offend a VERY VERY small population. Most people are not worried about being called they/them. That is crazy. As long as my kids are kids, they will identify people to how they see them, boy or girl, he/she, Miss, Mr. etc just like we always have all these years. I refuse to have them bend to this woke trend.
Silly. Ridiculous. Roll My Eyes. Woke Trend. Really inspires a feeling of inclusion and understanding for how other people feel.
Facts don’t care about your feelings. For every piece of scientific literature that is pushed forth supporting gender dysmorphia there is another calling its legitimacy into doubt. And that’s OK because people should be allowed to form different opinions without getting attacked by the liberal “know-it-all” brigade.
This isn't about a "know-it-all" brigade or whatever you are spouting off about. Call people what they want to be called. It's called decency.
A name and pronouns are very important to people. It's a part of their identity. You don't get to dictate what someone calls themselves. I'm sure if you are manly looking and someone referred to you (collective) as a 'he,' you would feel embarrassed.
You also don't get to dictate whether or not someone has to call you anything. Works both ways
Except that you do get to dictate what someone calls you.
You get to dictate the nicknames people use, how you wish to be addressed whether that's by your first, middle or last name, you get to dictate if someone calls you by Mr., Mrs., Miss. etc and you get to dictate what pronouns people use to address you. The individual gets to dictate ALL of that and everyone else needs to be respectful and comply no matter your sex, race, gender, sexuality etc etc.
What kind of person would ignore how one wants to be addressed? That would be a weird request to ignore. If someone introduced themselves as Frank, would you call him Paul instead because you don't like the name Frank and you won't be told what to call someone? I would hope not since that would make zero sense.
So yea, we all dictate to others how we want to be addressed and that's normal.
You got a name, i will call you by your name. But there is no way anyone gets to dictate me calling you they/them. I will mention you by name.
I honestly don't know why this is such a big deal. This seems much too complicated. Mary is Mary or Joe is Joe and if Mary wants to be called by Mary, then call her Mary. If Mary wants to be called by Joe, then call her Joe.
Life used to be simple.
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MrsWoods
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Re: They/Them
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by b2b777
Posted by CookiePuss
There are 2 very long time users that are going through this with their teen children right now.
If you saw the pain, the devastation, the fear, the longing that they have for their children to just be typical. Just be the same as most. They have lost what they dreamed of for their children and will forge new paths for them. They watch their children be taunted, ostracized, bullied EVERY DAY! Every day they worry - will this be the day that my child decides they can't go on? That the pain and unknown is too much. Will this need to transition to what I feel I really am be cause me to hate myself so much that I take my life?
Those are things they deal with every minute of every day.
It's not woke culture or following the trend.
And if you or your children are too d@nm uncomfortable to use a pronoun to make someone else feel better or more included - then shame on you!
Some of the comments on this thread are disgusting and show how morally bankrupt some of you are.
Thank you.
The posts that said they wouldn't cater to the "very very very few people" -- what if your child, your friend, your family was one of those very very very few? You don't know until it is you going through it. I am not dealing with this personally but have family members with other differences and until I had to live it I would have never understood what the impacts of judgement really are. I saw on facebook that a little boy, 12 years old took his own life. How do you know what impacted that decision? What makes one reason any better or worse than another?
Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not.
"Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not."
Many should follow this as I can tell you the things people on this board who claim they are kind and teach their kids too have said some doozies on here.
100% Do as you preach. Some here don't
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| Posted 2/18/22 10:52 AM |
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Re: They/Them
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by b2b777
Posted by CookiePuss
There are 2 very long time users that are going through this with their teen children right now.
If you saw the pain, the devastation, the fear, the longing that they have for their children to just be typical. Just be the same as most. They have lost what they dreamed of for their children and will forge new paths for them. They watch their children be taunted, ostracized, bullied EVERY DAY! Every day they worry - will this be the day that my child decides they can't go on? That the pain and unknown is too much. Will this need to transition to what I feel I really am be cause me to hate myself so much that I take my life?
Those are things they deal with every minute of every day.
It's not woke culture or following the trend.
And if you or your children are too d@nm uncomfortable to use a pronoun to make someone else feel better or more included - then shame on you!
Some of the comments on this thread are disgusting and show how morally bankrupt some of you are.
Thank you.
The posts that said they wouldn't cater to the "very very very few people" -- what if your child, your friend, your family was one of those very very very few? You don't know until it is you going through it. I am not dealing with this personally but have family members with other differences and until I had to live it I would have never understood what the impacts of judgement really are. I saw on facebook that a little boy, 12 years old took his own life. How do you know what impacted that decision? What makes one reason any better or worse than another?
Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not.
"Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not."
Many should follow this as I can tell you the things people on this board who claim they are kind and teach their kids too have said some doozies on here.
100% Do as you preach. Some here don't
Nope they do not. Here is a snippit of a post on this board.
"The majority of people I know who are hardcore Trump supporters who think he can do no wrong are, how shall I put this??.........................................not the brightest bulbs in the box. You know the type, in all the low classes in HS and barely graduated, no college education, ignorant and racist as hell buuuuuuuuuttttttt now they are all political experts and historians. I cringe when most of them open their mouth, they sound like idiots."
Outside of the board is NO different...
"She is always the first to insult , and call people idiots , and stuff like that"
Last I heard, this was not kind and compassionate against everyone. 
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| Posted 2/18/22 10:57 AM |
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lululu
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Re: They/Them
Posted by CookiePuss
There are 2 very long time users that are going through this with their teen children right now.
If you saw the pain, the devastation, the fear, the longing that they have for their children to just be typical. Just be the same as most. They have lost what they dreamed of for their children and will forge new paths for them. They watch their children be taunted, ostracized, bullied EVERY DAY! Every day they worry - will this be the day that my child decides they can't go on? That the pain and unknown is too much. Will this need to transition to what I feel I really am be cause me to hate myself so much that I take my life?
Those are things they deal with every minute of every day.
It's not woke culture or following the trend.
And if you or your children are too d@nm uncomfortable to use a pronoun to make someone else feel better or more included - then shame on you!
Some of the comments on this thread are disgusting and show how morally bankrupt some of you are.
I am sure that it must be very difficult to see your child go thru anything that they are struggling with but I never really understood when parents are disappointed when their child chooses a path that is different than what they perceive to be the "right" or the typical path. I want my child to chose the path that makes them the happiest. It is their life to live, not mine. I did not have them to mold them into what I want them to be. I had them to raise them to be the best and happiest version of themself. And especially when it pertains to something that is not a path that you really choose - I would hope I would just embrace it and love and support them.
The bullying and being ostracized - I am sure that that is gut wrenching. I would consider moving to the city or some place where I thought my child might not have to endure as much of that.
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| Posted 2/18/22 11:03 AM |
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CookiePuss
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Re: They/Them
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by b2b777
Posted by CookiePuss
There are 2 very long time users that are going through this with their teen children right now.
If you saw the pain, the devastation, the fear, the longing that they have for their children to just be typical. Just be the same as most. They have lost what they dreamed of for their children and will forge new paths for them. They watch their children be taunted, ostracized, bullied EVERY DAY! Every day they worry - will this be the day that my child decides they can't go on? That the pain and unknown is too much. Will this need to transition to what I feel I really am be cause me to hate myself so much that I take my life?
Those are things they deal with every minute of every day.
It's not woke culture or following the trend.
And if you or your children are too d@nm uncomfortable to use a pronoun to make someone else feel better or more included - then shame on you!
Some of the comments on this thread are disgusting and show how morally bankrupt some of you are.
Thank you.
The posts that said they wouldn't cater to the "very very very few people" -- what if your child, your friend, your family was one of those very very very few? You don't know until it is you going through it. I am not dealing with this personally but have family members with other differences and until I had to live it I would have never understood what the impacts of judgement really are. I saw on facebook that a little boy, 12 years old took his own life. How do you know what impacted that decision? What makes one reason any better or worse than another?
Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not.
"Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not."
Many should follow this as I can tell you the things people on this board who claim they are kind and teach their kids too have said some doozies on here.
100% Do as you preach. Some here don't
Nope they do not. Here is a snippit of a post on this board.
"The majority of people I know who are hardcore Trump supporters who think he can do no wrong are, how shall I put this??.........................................not the brightest bulbs in the box. You know the type, in all the low classes in HS and barely graduated, no college education, ignorant and racist as hell buuuuuuuuuttttttt now they are all political experts and historians. I cringe when most of them open their mouth, they sound like idiots."
Outside of the board is NO different...
"She is always the first to insult , and call people idiots , and stuff like that"
Last I heard, this was not kind and compassionate against everyone.
The difference is you expect others to treat you better then you are willing to treat them.
If you lived by the golden rule, you would be treated the same.
But you are somewhat arrogant insomuch as that you think that your insults and threats are so clever and veiled that other posters can't see if for what it is. But it is seen and you are treated exactly as you have treated others on this board.
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| Posted 2/18/22 11:04 AM |
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MrsWoods
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Re: They/Them
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-problem-with-the-nonbinary-trend
Great article
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| Posted 2/18/22 11:04 AM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: They/Them
Off topic, but I find it so odd that a person who claims to be so busy working, socializing and emptying her precious dishwasher has such an abundance of time EVERY SINGLE DAY to spend scouring old posts and going out of her way to psycho stalk and obsess over strangers on a forum. Such odd and unhealthy behavior.
But back to the topic, simply refer to people by whatever name, pronoun or other designation they request. I don't even understand the resistance to all of this, it isn't a hill worth dying on.
Message edited 2/18/2022 11:06:05 AM.
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lululu
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Re: They/Them
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by b2b777
Posted by CookiePuss
There are 2 very long time users that are going through this with their teen children right now.
If you saw the pain, the devastation, the fear, the longing that they have for their children to just be typical. Just be the same as most. They have lost what they dreamed of for their children and will forge new paths for them. They watch their children be taunted, ostracized, bullied EVERY DAY! Every day they worry - will this be the day that my child decides they can't go on? That the pain and unknown is too much. Will this need to transition to what I feel I really am be cause me to hate myself so much that I take my life?
Those are things they deal with every minute of every day.
It's not woke culture or following the trend.
And if you or your children are too d@nm uncomfortable to use a pronoun to make someone else feel better or more included - then shame on you!
Some of the comments on this thread are disgusting and show how morally bankrupt some of you are.
Thank you.
The posts that said they wouldn't cater to the "very very very few people" -- what if your child, your friend, your family was one of those very very very few? You don't know until it is you going through it. I am not dealing with this personally but have family members with other differences and until I had to live it I would have never understood what the impacts of judgement really are. I saw on facebook that a little boy, 12 years old took his own life. How do you know what impacted that decision? What makes one reason any better or worse than another?
Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not.
"Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not."
Many should follow this as I can tell you the things people on this board who claim they are kind and teach their kids too have said some doozies on here.
100% Do as you preach. Some here don't
Nope they do not. Here is a snippit of a post on this board.
"The majority of people I know who are hardcore Trump supporters who think he can do no wrong are, how shall I put this??.........................................not the brightest bulbs in the box. You know the type, in all the low classes in HS and barely graduated, no college education, ignorant and racist as hell buuuuuuuuuttttttt now they are all political experts and historians. I cringe when most of them open their mouth, they sound like idiots."
Outside of the board is NO different...
"She is always the first to insult , and call people idiots , and stuff like that"
Last I heard, this was not kind and compassionate against everyone.
Who uses the phrase "low classes?" what is a "low class in HS?" I hope she doesn't mean special ed. If that is coming from a teacher that is just disgusting.
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MrsWoods
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Re: They/Them
Posted by lululu
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by b2b777
Posted by CookiePuss
There are 2 very long time users that are going through this with their teen children right now.
If you saw the pain, the devastation, the fear, the longing that they have for their children to just be typical. Just be the same as most. They have lost what they dreamed of for their children and will forge new paths for them. They watch their children be taunted, ostracized, bullied EVERY DAY! Every day they worry - will this be the day that my child decides they can't go on? That the pain and unknown is too much. Will this need to transition to what I feel I really am be cause me to hate myself so much that I take my life?
Those are things they deal with every minute of every day.
It's not woke culture or following the trend.
And if you or your children are too d@nm uncomfortable to use a pronoun to make someone else feel better or more included - then shame on you!
Some of the comments on this thread are disgusting and show how morally bankrupt some of you are.
Thank you.
The posts that said they wouldn't cater to the "very very very few people" -- what if your child, your friend, your family was one of those very very very few? You don't know until it is you going through it. I am not dealing with this personally but have family members with other differences and until I had to live it I would have never understood what the impacts of judgement really are. I saw on facebook that a little boy, 12 years old took his own life. How do you know what impacted that decision? What makes one reason any better or worse than another?
Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not.
"Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not."
Many should follow this as I can tell you the things people on this board who claim they are kind and teach their kids too have said some doozies on here.
100% Do as you preach. Some here don't
Nope they do not. Here is a snippit of a post on this board.
"The majority of people I know who are hardcore Trump supporters who think he can do no wrong are, how shall I put this??.........................................not the brightest bulbs in the box. You know the type, in all the low classes in HS and barely graduated, no college education, ignorant and racist as hell buuuuuuuuuttttttt now they are all political experts and historians. I cringe when most of them open their mouth, they sound like idiots."
Outside of the board is NO different...
"She is always the first to insult , and call people idiots , and stuff like that"
Last I heard, this was not kind and compassionate against everyone.
Who uses the phrase "low classes?" what is a "low class in HS?" I hope she doesn't mean special ed. If that is coming from a teacher that is just disgusting.
Goes to show people on here are total hypocrites as they type about being kind.
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MrsWoods
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Re: They/Them
Another good article:
https://quillette.com/2020/09/19/how-the-nonbinary-trend-hurts-those-with-real-gender-dysphoria/
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| Posted 2/18/22 11:08 AM |
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CookiePuss
Cake from Outer Space!
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Re: They/Them
Posted by lululu
Posted by CookiePuss
There are 2 very long time users that are going through this with their teen children right now.
If you saw the pain, the devastation, the fear, the longing that they have for their children to just be typical. Just be the same as most. They have lost what they dreamed of for their children and will forge new paths for them. They watch their children be taunted, ostracized, bullied EVERY DAY! Every day they worry - will this be the day that my child decides they can't go on? That the pain and unknown is too much. Will this need to transition to what I feel I really am be cause me to hate myself so much that I take my life?
Those are things they deal with every minute of every day.
It's not woke culture or following the trend.
And if you or your children are too d@nm uncomfortable to use a pronoun to make someone else feel better or more included - then shame on you!
Some of the comments on this thread are disgusting and show how morally bankrupt some of you are.
I am sure that it must be very difficult to see your child go thru anything that they are struggling with but I never really understood when parents are disappointed when their child chooses a path that is different than what they perceive to be the "right" or the typical path. I want my child to chose the path that makes them the happiest. It is their life to live, not mine. I did not have them to mold them into what I want them to be. I had them to raise them to be the best and happiest version of themself. And especially when it pertains to something that is not a path that you really choose - I would hope I would just embrace it and love and support them.
The bullying and being ostracized - I am sure that that is gut wrenching. I would consider moving to the city or some place where I thought my child might not have to endure as much of that.
that is why you forge a new path and accept them as they are.
Instead of being transgender or fluid - say it's missing a limb. You are not sad that this is your child but you may be sad or disappointed that the dreams you had for your child are changing and different. It's so easy for parents to typical children not to understand that there is a grieving process for parents. There is that poem about going on a trip and having your plans set for one place but landing in another.
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Re: They/Them
Posted by lululu
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by b2b777
Posted by CookiePuss
There are 2 very long time users that are going through this with their teen children right now.
If you saw the pain, the devastation, the fear, the longing that they have for their children to just be typical. Just be the same as most. They have lost what they dreamed of for their children and will forge new paths for them. They watch their children be taunted, ostracized, bullied EVERY DAY! Every day they worry - will this be the day that my child decides they can't go on? That the pain and unknown is too much. Will this need to transition to what I feel I really am be cause me to hate myself so much that I take my life?
Those are things they deal with every minute of every day.
It's not woke culture or following the trend.
And if you or your children are too d@nm uncomfortable to use a pronoun to make someone else feel better or more included - then shame on you!
Some of the comments on this thread are disgusting and show how morally bankrupt some of you are.
Thank you.
The posts that said they wouldn't cater to the "very very very few people" -- what if your child, your friend, your family was one of those very very very few? You don't know until it is you going through it. I am not dealing with this personally but have family members with other differences and until I had to live it I would have never understood what the impacts of judgement really are. I saw on facebook that a little boy, 12 years old took his own life. How do you know what impacted that decision? What makes one reason any better or worse than another?
Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not.
"Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not."
Many should follow this as I can tell you the things people on this board who claim they are kind and teach their kids too have said some doozies on here.
100% Do as you preach. Some here don't
Nope they do not. Here is a snippit of a post on this board.
"The majority of people I know who are hardcore Trump supporters who think he can do no wrong are, how shall I put this??.........................................not the brightest bulbs in the box. You know the type, in all the low classes in HS and barely graduated, no college education, ignorant and racist as hell buuuuuuuuuttttttt now they are all political experts and historians. I cringe when most of them open their mouth, they sound like idiots."
Outside of the board is NO different...
"She is always the first to insult , and call people idiots , and stuff like that"
Last I heard, this was not kind and compassionate against everyone.
Who uses the phrase "low classes?" what is a "low class in HS?" I hope she doesn't mean special ed. If that is coming from a teacher that is just disgusting.
I am pretty sure that "low classes" is being used as a special ed class or a "regular" class. Not AP or Honors.
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Hofstra26
Love to Bake!
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Re: They/Them
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by windyweather21
Posted by b2b777
Posted by CookiePuss
There are 2 very long time users that are going through this with their teen children right now.
If you saw the pain, the devastation, the fear, the longing that they have for their children to just be typical. Just be the same as most. They have lost what they dreamed of for their children and will forge new paths for them. They watch their children be taunted, ostracized, bullied EVERY DAY! Every day they worry - will this be the day that my child decides they can't go on? That the pain and unknown is too much. Will this need to transition to what I feel I really am be cause me to hate myself so much that I take my life?
Those are things they deal with every minute of every day.
It's not woke culture or following the trend.
And if you or your children are too d@nm uncomfortable to use a pronoun to make someone else feel better or more included - then shame on you!
Some of the comments on this thread are disgusting and show how morally bankrupt some of you are.
Thank you.
The posts that said they wouldn't cater to the "very very very few people" -- what if your child, your friend, your family was one of those very very very few? You don't know until it is you going through it. I am not dealing with this personally but have family members with other differences and until I had to live it I would have never understood what the impacts of judgement really are. I saw on facebook that a little boy, 12 years old took his own life. How do you know what impacted that decision? What makes one reason any better or worse than another?
Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not.
"Yesterday was National Kindness Day. I spoke to my kids about the importance of always being kind -- whether it makes them comfortable or not."
Many should follow this as I can tell you the things people on this board who claim they are kind and teach their kids too have said some doozies on here.
100% Do as you preach. Some here don't
Nope they do not. Here is a snippit of a post on this board.
"The majority of people I know who are hardcore Trump supporters who think he can do no wrong are, how shall I put this??.........................................not the brightest bulbs in the box. You know the type, in all the low classes in HS and barely graduated, no college education, ignorant and racist as hell buuuuuuuuuttttttt now they are all political experts and historians. I cringe when most of them open their mouth, they sound like idiots."
Outside of the board is NO different...
"She is always the first to insult , and call people idiots , and stuff like that"
Last I heard, this was not kind and compassionate against everyone.
The difference is you expect others to treat you better then you are willing to treat them.
If you lived by the golden rule, you would be treated the same.
But you are somewhat arrogant insomuch as that you think that your insults and threats are so clever and veiled that other posters can't see if for what it is. But it is seen and you are treated exactly as you have treated others on this board.
Thank you.
Except for a few, everyone sees windy for what she is on these boards. An antagonistic, passive aggressive, insulting, sh1t stirrer. She can dish it out but plays the victim card when it's thrown back at her.
It's pathetic.
This forum, what's left of it, has become nothing more than windy's little circus. It's why hardly anyone is left on here and there are few discussions of interest anymore. It's a shame how one person has managed to drag down what was left of this site.
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