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PitterPatter11
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Re: Vaccine Question
Posted by RainyDay
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You wear a mask until more people are vaccinated.
Plus the preliminary data from Moderna is pointing in the direction that the people in the vaccine arm are not asymptomatic.
Which means what?
Moderna tested all participants when they received their second shot.
There were 38 people in the placebo arm who were asymptomatic at testing.
There were 14 people in the vaccine arm who were asymptomatic at testing.
The numbers in the placebo arm are almost triple that in the vaccine arm. And this is only after the first dose. They will be collecting more data as time goes on to determine asymptomatic people after the second dose.
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Re: Vaccine Question
I have had the flu twice- once with the vaccine, once without. It was night and day. I was in bed for 2 weeks writhing in pain, weak, weight loss, it was horrible. With the vaccine- 3 days of feeling mildly crappy (while pregnant and taking care of a 2.5 year old ALSO with the flu) and I was back on my feet.
If the same goes for Covid, sign me up!
And just because you're not in a high risk group, doesn't mean it won't affect you BADLY. That's what scares me the most- it seems so random.
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Re: Vaccine Question
Posted by Momma2015
I have had the flu twice- once with the vaccine, once without. It was night and day. I was in bed for 2 weeks writhing in pain, weak, weight loss, it was horrible. With the vaccine- 3 days of feeling mildly crappy (while pregnant and taking care of a 2.5 year old ALSO with the flu) and I was back on my feet.
If the same goes for Covid, sign me up!
And just because you're not in a high risk group, doesn't mean it won't affect you BADLY. That's what scares me the most- it seems so random.
yes, completely healthy, young people are ending up in the hospital.
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Re: Vaccine Question
Posted by Momma2015
I have had the flu twice- once with the vaccine, once without. It was night and day. I was in bed for 2 weeks writhing in pain, weak, weight loss, it was horrible. With the vaccine- 3 days of feeling mildly crappy (while pregnant and taking care of a 2.5 year old ALSO with the flu) and I was back on my feet.
If the same goes for Covid, sign me up!
And just because you're not in a high risk group, doesn't mean it won't affect you BADLY. That's what scares me the most- it seems so random.
So. Much. Yes.
I didn't get my flu shot last winter but my daughter did. She got the flu, gave it to me and while I was miserable for days and days, she was all better within 2-3 days. The difference was crazy.
I agree, if that is how the vaccine will help with COVID, sign me up too! I need this nightmare way of living to end.
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Naturalmama
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Re: Vaccine Question
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Momma2015
I have had the flu twice- once with the vaccine, once without. It was night and day. I was in bed for 2 weeks writhing in pain, weak, weight loss, it was horrible. With the vaccine- 3 days of feeling mildly crappy (while pregnant and taking care of a 2.5 year old ALSO with the flu) and I was back on my feet.
If the same goes for Covid, sign me up!
And just because you're not in a high risk group, doesn't mean it won't affect you BADLY. That's what scares me the most- it seems so random.
So. Much. Yes.
I didn't get my flu shot last winter but my daughter did. She got the flu, gave it to me and while I was miserable for days and days, she was all better within 2-3 days. The difference was crazy.
I agree, if that is how the vaccine will help with COVID, sign me up too! I need this nightmare way of living to end.
I think that is the point that people are missing. Even if all the vaccine does is prevent severe illness, people with mild symptoms or asymptomatic cases will not end up in the hospital. NOTHING has ever been about getting rid of COVID. It is here to stay. This has always been about preventing people from overwhelming hospitals and preventing deaths.
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Sash
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Re: Vaccine Question
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Momma2015
I have had the flu twice- once with the vaccine, once without. It was night and day. I was in bed for 2 weeks writhing in pain, weak, weight loss, it was horrible. With the vaccine- 3 days of feeling mildly crappy (while pregnant and taking care of a 2.5 year old ALSO with the flu) and I was back on my feet.
If the same goes for Covid, sign me up!
And just because you're not in a high risk group, doesn't mean it won't affect you BADLY. That's what scares me the most- it seems so random.
So. Much. Yes.
I didn't get my flu shot last winter but my daughter did. She got the flu, gave it to me and while I was miserable for days and days, she was all better within 2-3 days. The difference was crazy.
I agree, if that is how the vaccine will help with COVID, sign me up too! I need this nightmare way of living to end.
I think that is the point that people are missing. Even if all the vaccine does is prevent severe illness, people with mild symptoms or asymptomatic cases will not end up in the hospital. NOTHING has ever been about getting rid of COVID. It is here to stay. This has always been about preventing people from overwhelming hospitals and preventing deaths.
I know I’m not missing that as I know that’s how the flu shot works. I have defended it on here and even have mentioned that use case many many times on here. As I have gotten both Flu A&B at the same time and wasn’t hospitalized because of the shot. I’ve also gotten the flu in the summer.
I think people who are so pro this vaccine are missing the point of the other side.
That it’s too soon to know and the medical experts are clearly saying they don’t know yet.
Look at the beginning of your second sentence “Even If”., meaning we aren’t sure. Take this just in case, this may do this, take it “even if” it may protect your or lessen the symptoms. I’m not 100% against this shot but I’m against taking this shot right now.
And I’m pretty sure there will be a change of this vaccine before the end of this year. So I’m not rushing to line up to take this initial one.
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Naturalmama
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Re: Vaccine Question
Posted by Sash
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Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Momma2015
I have had the flu twice- once with the vaccine, once without. It was night and day. I was in bed for 2 weeks writhing in pain, weak, weight loss, it was horrible. With the vaccine- 3 days of feeling mildly crappy (while pregnant and taking care of a 2.5 year old ALSO with the flu) and I was back on my feet.
If the same goes for Covid, sign me up!
And just because you're not in a high risk group, doesn't mean it won't affect you BADLY. That's what scares me the most- it seems so random.
So. Much. Yes.
I didn't get my flu shot last winter but my daughter did. She got the flu, gave it to me and while I was miserable for days and days, she was all better within 2-3 days. The difference was crazy.
I agree, if that is how the vaccine will help with COVID, sign me up too! I need this nightmare way of living to end.
I think that is the point that people are missing. Even if all the vaccine does is prevent severe illness, people with mild symptoms or asymptomatic cases will not end up in the hospital. NOTHING has ever been about getting rid of COVID. It is here to stay. This has always been about preventing people from overwhelming hospitals and preventing deaths.
I know I’m not missing that as I know that’s how the flu shot works. I have defended it on here and even have mentioned that use case many many times on here. As I have gotten both Flu A&B at the same time and wasn’t hospitalized because of the shot. I’ve also gotten the flu in the summer.
I think people who are so pro this vaccine are missing the point of the other side.
That it’s too soon to know and the medical experts are clearly saying they don’t know yet.
Look at the beginning of your second sentence “Even If”., meaning we aren’t sure. Take this just in case, this may do this, take it “even if” it may protect your or lessen the symptoms. I’m not 100% against this shot but I’m against taking this shot right now.
And I’m pretty sure there will be a change of this vaccine before the end of this year. So I’m not rushing to line up to take this initial one.
That is understandable. All I am saying is WORST CASE all it will do is lesson severity of illness. Best case it prevents transmission. The experts are not saying that they don't know if it will do anything. The trials proved it reduces severe illness, 95% efficacy. That is all I am saying. I am not debating the possibility of long term effects, I am not debating the possibility it won't prevent transmission. I am just saying that it will help to some degree with the hospital capacity issue. For some, that is a good enough reason to get the shot, for others, it is not. I don't care which side you are on, but it is just frustrating when people say that it may not work at all, and it is no better than injecting a placebo in your arm. No expert has ever said that.
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Sash
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Re: Vaccine Question
Posted by Naturalmama
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Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Momma2015
I have had the flu twice- once with the vaccine, once without. It was night and day. I was in bed for 2 weeks writhing in pain, weak, weight loss, it was horrible. With the vaccine- 3 days of feeling mildly crappy (while pregnant and taking care of a 2.5 year old ALSO with the flu) and I was back on my feet.
If the same goes for Covid, sign me up!
And just because you're not in a high risk group, doesn't mean it won't affect you BADLY. That's what scares me the most- it seems so random.
So. Much. Yes.
I didn't get my flu shot last winter but my daughter did. She got the flu, gave it to me and while I was miserable for days and days, she was all better within 2-3 days. The difference was crazy.
I agree, if that is how the vaccine will help with COVID, sign me up too! I need this nightmare way of living to end.
I think that is the point that people are missing. Even if all the vaccine does is prevent severe illness, people with mild symptoms or asymptomatic cases will not end up in the hospital. NOTHING has ever been about getting rid of COVID. It is here to stay. This has always been about preventing people from overwhelming hospitals and preventing deaths.
I know I’m not missing that as I know that’s how the flu shot works. I have defended it on here and even have mentioned that use case many many times on here. As I have gotten both Flu A&B at the same time and wasn’t hospitalized because of the shot. I’ve also gotten the flu in the summer.
I think people who are so pro this vaccine are missing the point of the other side.
That it’s too soon to know and the medical experts are clearly saying they don’t know yet.
Look at the beginning of your second sentence “Even If”., meaning we aren’t sure. Take this just in case, this may do this, take it “even if” it may protect your or lessen the symptoms. I’m not 100% against this shot but I’m against taking this shot right now.
And I’m pretty sure there will be a change of this vaccine before the end of this year. So I’m not rushing to line up to take this initial one.
That is understandable. All I am saying is WORST CASE all it will do is lesson severity of illness. Best case it prevents transmission. The experts are not saying that they don't know if it will do anything. The trials proved it reduces severe illness, 95% efficacy. That is all I am saying. I am not debating the possibility of long term effects, I am not debating the possibility it won't prevent transmission. I am just saying that it will help to some degree with the hospital capacity issue. For some, that is a good enough reason to get the shot, for others, it is not. I don't care which side you are on, but it is just frustrating when people say that it may not work at all, and it is no better than injecting a placebo in your arm. No expert has ever said that.
I never said the experts are saying they don’t know anything but they definitely haven’t answered any of my questions. It’s all we don’t know yet.
Eta: I think eventually this will be effective, I just don’t trust that this round of shots is as effective. And none of the experts have given me any confidence in it.
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Re: Vaccine Question
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Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Momma2015
I have had the flu twice- once with the vaccine, once without. It was night and day. I was in bed for 2 weeks writhing in pain, weak, weight loss, it was horrible. With the vaccine- 3 days of feeling mildly crappy (while pregnant and taking care of a 2.5 year old ALSO with the flu) and I was back on my feet.
If the same goes for Covid, sign me up!
And just because you're not in a high risk group, doesn't mean it won't affect you BADLY. That's what scares me the most- it seems so random.
So. Much. Yes.
I didn't get my flu shot last winter but my daughter did. She got the flu, gave it to me and while I was miserable for days and days, she was all better within 2-3 days. The difference was crazy.
I agree, if that is how the vaccine will help with COVID, sign me up too! I need this nightmare way of living to end.
I think that is the point that people are missing. Even if all the vaccine does is prevent severe illness, people with mild symptoms or asymptomatic cases will not end up in the hospital. NOTHING has ever been about getting rid of COVID. It is here to stay. This has always been about preventing people from overwhelming hospitals and preventing deaths.
I know I’m not missing that as I know that’s how the flu shot works. I have defended it on here and even have mentioned that use case many many times on here. As I have gotten both Flu A&B at the same time and wasn’t hospitalized because of the shot. I’ve also gotten the flu in the summer.
I think people who are so pro this vaccine are missing the point of the other side.
That it’s too soon to know and the medical experts are clearly saying they don’t know yet.
Look at the beginning of your second sentence “Even If”., meaning we aren’t sure. Take this just in case, this may do this, take it “even if” it may protect your or lessen the symptoms. I’m not 100% against this shot but I’m against taking this shot right now.
And I’m pretty sure there will be a change of this vaccine before the end of this year. So I’m not rushing to line up to take this initial one.
That is understandable. All I am saying is WORST CASE all it will do is lesson severity of illness. Best case it prevents transmission. The experts are not saying that they don't know if it will do anything. The trials proved it reduces severe illness, 95% efficacy. That is all I am saying. I am not debating the possibility of long term effects, I am not debating the possibility it won't prevent transmission. I am just saying that it will help to some degree with the hospital capacity issue. For some, that is a good enough reason to get the shot, for others, it is not. I don't care which side you are on, but it is just frustrating when people say that it may not work at all, and it is no better than injecting a placebo in your arm. No expert has ever said that.
Are there studies of people who have gotten the vaccine AND gotten covid and the symptoms reduced severe illness? Real question, not being snarky. Would like to learn as much as I can also as maybe one day I would take the vaccine. I won't take it right now for the same reasons as everyone else.
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Re: Vaccine Question
Posted by ali120206
They are unsure if it can still be spread.
The benefit of getting the vaccine though is that there is 95% efficacy so you only have a 5% chance of getting covid after the two doses.
My husband got the vaccine and he had flu like side effects. I’ve heard that those who have had covid have felt worse than those who hadnt with the first dose so we think he may have had a mild case at some point (he’s essential so he’s exposed pretty much every time he goes to work).
They’re claiming it’s 95% at lessening symptoms, not at reducing chances of getting covid.
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GoldenRod
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Re: Vaccine Question
This is not to sway any personal opinions. I just came across this and found some cool articles on the ingredients in the two main vaccines. I learned some interesting things in these two articles.
https://www.goodrx.com/blog/ingredients-covid-19-vaccine/
https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/12/09/1013538/what-are-the-ingredients-of-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine/
There's a lot less "stuff" in these vaccines than traditional vaccines. And most of it is already in our bodies.
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Thank you for sharing !
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Hofstra26
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I totally get the hesitation because I myself have said all along that I was really nervous too. But I think at this point I will put my faith in science because I just cannot live my life like this anymore.
I want normalcy back. I want to see my parents, my family and my friends. I want my kids in school full time and enjoying everything that makes ages 7 and 12 awesome. I want to go to parties and weddings and get togethers. I want to vacation. I want to shop without worry. I want to hug people. I want to burn these masks in an epic bonfire. I just want this to be done. The ONLY way it'll ever end is if the majority get on board with the vaccine so that we can stop the spread and should we contract it, it'll just be another virus that you recover from without the fear of long term health effects or death.
So when it's my turn, I will take the vaccine because I want to live again. 
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Re: Vaccine Question
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by ali120206
They are unsure if it can still be spread.
The benefit of getting the vaccine though is that there is 95% efficacy so you only have a 5% chance of getting covid after the two doses.
My husband got the vaccine and he had flu like side effects. I’ve heard that those who have had covid have felt worse than those who hadnt with the first dose so we think he may have had a mild case at some point (he’s essential so he’s exposed pretty much every time he goes to work).
They’re claiming it’s 95% at lessening symptoms, not at reducing chances of getting covid.
Where did you get this information?
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soontobemommyof2
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I wish articles like these ones would also cover the unknown of this new technology. Like how they can’t tell us if the mRNA could change our own genetic codes, cause cancer, mutation of our genes, if it’d cause any problems in the fetus of a pregnant woman, if it’d lead to miscarriages in pregnant women that get the vaccine, etc. There’s actually some concern coming out of European literature about the possibility of making women infertile and causing miscarriages. Yes, they’ve been working this technology before but it has been problematic. The use of mRNA in animals have led to negative outcomes, some ending up dead. So now when they’re revisiting the same technology, they decided to skip revisiting these animal trials and decided instead to go directly to human trials. Big concern. Something that we should know is if u inject material into the body that it’s meant to create an antibody as part of the measure of effectiveness in a vaccine, that antibody is gonna always attack whatever description it’s been told to attack and if ur body contains the same or similar genetic material to what u’ve been injected with, ur immune system will be prone to attack u as well. There’s some evidence that shows that the genetic code of the spike protein is similar to pieces of our own genetic code which then increases chances for autoimmune problems. Can all these concerns be addressed in 8 to 9 months? There’s no way. Another thing...they say the mRNA is very unstable and when it gets to the cell it might get destroyed very easily but they’ve been able to add a protective layer to it (PEG) so the mRNA won’t break down in the cytoplasm. But what they can’t tell for sure is what ultimately happens to this protected mRNA or the actual PEG once it’s injected into our bodies, does it reach the nucleus in our cells? Does it change our own genes? And what about the nanoparticles that are surrounding the mRNA? The concern with them is that they can travel anywhere in the body including the brain because they’re capable of passing cell membranes without any restriction. So if they can do this, there’s reason to be concern about them getting to our cell nucleus and create genetic alteration. There’s zero answers to any of these concerns. These are the type of questions that should be considered before deciding if a vaccine should be taken or not, especially if there are talks about making it mandatory. But the only think we hear is that it's safe and effective and that we should take it for the greater good. We can’t just be told the good of something but also the bad and the unknowns. That’s one of the reasons why I advocate for ‘full’ informed consent and that’s why I dislike so much when people guilt others into doing or not doing something. Ultimately it’s our own personal decision after carefully considering all the these areas.
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soontobemommyof2
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Re: Vaccine Question
Posted by Mrs213
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by ali120206
They are unsure if it can still be spread.
The benefit of getting the vaccine though is that there is 95% efficacy so you only have a 5% chance of getting covid after the two doses.
My husband got the vaccine and he had flu like side effects. I’ve heard that those who have had covid have felt worse than those who hadnt with the first dose so we think he may have had a mild case at some point (he’s essential so he’s exposed pretty much every time he goes to work).
They’re claiming it’s 95% at lessening symptoms, not at reducing chances of getting covid.
Where did you get this information?
I specifically read it in the FDA website, I believe it was under ‘unknown benefits/data gaps’. But this is not the only source that mentions this.
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Re: Vaccine Question
Posted by soontobemommyof2
That’s one of the reasons why I advocate for ‘full’ informed consent and that’s why I dislike so much when people guilt others into doing or not doing something. Ultimately it’s our own personal decision after carefully considering all the these areas.
Exactly.
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I especially don't appreciate people being called selfish if they don't go rushing out in droves to get this vaccine the first week it's offered.
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I especially don't appreciate people being called selfish if they don't go rushing out in droves to get this vaccine the first week it's offered.
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I especially don't appreciate people being called selfish if they don't go rushing out in droves to get this vaccine the first week it's offered.
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PitterPatter11
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I just want to clarify points you made that are incorrect or misleading.
Posted by soontobemommyof2
they decided to skip revisiting these animal trials and decided instead to go directly to human trials. Big concern.
This is false. They ran animal and human tests simultaneously.
Pfizer and Moderna did not skip animal trials
Something that we should know is if u inject material into the body that it’s meant to create an antibody as part of the measure of effectiveness in a vaccine, that antibody is gonna always attack whatever description it’s been told to attack and if ur body contains the same or similar genetic material to what u’ve been injected with, ur immune system will be prone to attack u as well. There’s some evidence that shows that the genetic code of the spike protein is similar to pieces of our own genetic code which then increases chances for autoimmune problems.
Based on this statement, if you contract Covid, you would also develop these autoimmune issues as you would be making these same antibodies.
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Re: Vaccine Question
Posted by PitterPatter11
I just want to clarify points you made that are incorrect or misleading.
Posted by soontobemommyof2
they decided to skip revisiting these animal trials and decided instead to go directly to human trials. Big concern.
This is false. They ran animal and human tests simultaneously.
Pfizer and Moderna did not skip animal trials
Something that we should know is if u inject material into the body that it’s meant to create an antibody as part of the measure of effectiveness in a vaccine, that antibody is gonna always attack whatever description it’s been told to attack and if ur body contains the same or similar genetic material to what u’ve been injected with, ur immune system will be prone to attack u as well. There’s some evidence that shows that the genetic code of the spike protein is similar to pieces of our own genetic code which then increases chances for autoimmune problems.
Based on this statement, if you contract Covid, you would also develop these autoimmune issues as you would be making these same antibodies.
The article u cited does not link the animal trials, do u mind sharing the links? If they indeed tested them simultaneously, which one started first? Cause they started calling volunteers from March. But even if animal trials were done, they should have been done before it went into people. This is what’s required from manufacturers...to show a product is safe before putting human volunteers at potential risk. I get that there was a sense of urgency but by doing the human trials and not the animals, or having human trials take the lead seems morally questionable from their part because there could be unknown harm caused to people. Also they haven’t announced that their vaccine are more than 90% effective at ‘preventing’ Covid19 like the article points out. They’re saying it’s effective at ‘lessening’ symptoms.
Regarding ur second point, it’s more about the body having a natural immune response against a wild virus that enters the body naturally instead of the body having an immune response because it was trained to do so by synthetic mRNA through injection (that can furthermore have the potential of even entering the very center of our cells). There’s a difference. Having said that, there are still things that we don’t know for certain about covid19 but there are more unknowns about the vaccine. The least thing we want is to create more problems than solutions for this pandemic.
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Something that we should know is if u inject material into the body that it’s meant to create an antibody as part of the measure of effectiveness in a vaccine, that antibody is gonna always attack whatever description it’s been told to attack and if ur body contains the same or similar genetic material to what u’ve been injected with, ur immune system will be prone to attack u as well. There’s some evidence that shows that the genetic code of the spike protein is similar to pieces of our own genetic code which then increases chances for autoimmune problems.
Based on this statement, if you contract Covid, you would also develop these autoimmune issues as you would be making these same antibodies.
Exactly. The thought is that those individuals succumbing to severe COVID are undergoing a massive autoimmune reaction to similar peptides that are found in both the spike proteins and host proteins. Genetically susceptible individuals are undergoing multiorgan failure due to an autoimmune cytokine storm. But I would imagine for these individuals that getting COVID would be worse than a snippet of mRNA would be. In fact, Moderna vaccine is thought to be protective in protecting against these severe COVID cases.
The problem here is that we don't seem to have a good understanding of the genetics behind why some are so susceptible. Everyone has to gauge their risk aversion. For some, the disease can be deadly. The vaccine (as far as I know, at least) hasn't yet killed anyone. As for longterm affects, mRNA is a new technology, but it seems scientifically sound and has implications in cancer use and may even prevent multiple viruses with one vaccine.
As with anything, it is a personal choice. I haven't heard any mention of mandating it to everyone. That would seem entirely unAmerican. But I would hope that everyone who is comfortable trying it has access to it.
https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2021/01/no-coronavirus-vaccine-does-not-cause-immune-system-to-attack-itself-videos-claims-are-bogus.html
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PitterPatter11
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Re: Vaccine Question
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by PitterPatter11
I just want to clarify points you made that are incorrect or misleading.
Posted by soontobemommyof2
they decided to skip revisiting these animal trials and decided instead to go directly to human trials. Big concern.
This is false. They ran animal and human tests simultaneously.
Pfizer and Moderna did not skip animal trials
Something that we should know is if u inject material into the body that it’s meant to create an antibody as part of the measure of effectiveness in a vaccine, that antibody is gonna always attack whatever description it’s been told to attack and if ur body contains the same or similar genetic material to what u’ve been injected with, ur immune system will be prone to attack u as well. There’s some evidence that shows that the genetic code of the spike protein is similar to pieces of our own genetic code which then increases chances for autoimmune problems.
Based on this statement, if you contract Covid, you would also develop these autoimmune issues as you would be making these same antibodies.
The article u cited does not link the animal trials, do u mind sharing the links? If they indeed tested them simultaneously, which one started first? Cause they started calling volunteers from March. But even if animal trials were done, they should have been done before it went into people. This is what’s required from manufacturers...to show a product is safe before putting human volunteers at potential risk. I get that there was a sense of urgency but by doing the human trials and not the animals, or having human trials take the lead seems morally questionable from their part because there could be unknown harm caused to people. Also they haven’t announced that their vaccine are more than 90% effective at ‘preventing’ Covid19 like the article points out. They’re saying it’s effective at ‘lessening’ symptoms.
Regarding ur second point, it’s more about the body having a natural immune response against a wild virus that enters the body naturally instead of the body having an immune response because it was trained to do so by synthetic mRNA through injection (that can furthermore have the potential of even entering the very center of our cells). There’s a difference. Having said that, there are still things that we don’t know for certain about covid19 but there are more unknowns about the vaccine. The least thing we want is to create more problems than solutions for this pandemic.
Animal Trials
They ran them concurrently because we are in a global pandemic where hundreds of thousands of people are dying. They got permission to do this.
The mRNA goes the ribosome where amino acids are linked together to make the spike protein. The code is the same one in the virus. The amino acids are already in your cells. They are not adding them. The spike protein is the same exact protein that would be made by the viral mRNA.
I have already said this but it says 95% effective in reducing symptoms because they didn’t do random Covid testing on participants because Covid tests are limited and people who are symptomatic with covid are the priority. As the continue to collect data, that statement will be fine tuned.
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Naturalmama
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Vaccine Question
I do not believe people who do not want to take the vaccine right now are selfish. That's the beauty of America, right? It is a personal choice. All I take issue with is people who throw out statements that have been proven false time and time again. It does not alter human DNA, it does work to some degree, at the very least it prevents severe illness which is a good thing, and it was not rushed- it has been in development since 2003.
If after all of the research, people are still uncomfortable, so be it. Look, I am getting it Friday and I am not overly thrilled but I believe it is the best thing for me and for society and I know many people who have taken it. Not everyone feels that way. More power to you. Just please don't spew out "facts" that are simply not true. There are a lot of unknowns about the vaccine. But there are also a lot of unknowns with this virus. This virus kills and it kills young and old, sick and healthy, black and white.
Read this and lose a few brain cells. Someone on a DOE teacher FB page is actually promoting this psycho.
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/enough-make-scientists-cry
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