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Hofstra26
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Re: Vaccine Question
Posted by Naturalmama
I do not believe people who do not want to take the vaccine right now are selfish. That's the beauty of America, right? It is a personal choice. All I take issue with is people who throw out statements that have been proven false time and time again. It does not alter human DNA, it does work to some degree, at the very least it prevents severe illness which is a good thing, and it was not rushed- it has been in development since 2003.
If after all of the research, people are still uncomfortable, so be it. Look, I am getting it Friday and I am not overly thrilled but I believe it is the best thing for me and for society and I know many people who have taken it. Not everyone feels that way. More power to you. Just please don't spew out "facts" that are simply not true. There are a lot of unknowns about the vaccine. But there are also a lot of unknowns with this virus. This virus kills and it kills young and old, sick and healthy, black and white.
Read this and lose a few brain cells. Someone on a DOE teacher FB page is actually promoting this psycho.
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-critical-thinking-pseudoscience/enough-make-scientists-cry
The WORST part about the internet and social media is how easily misinformation and lies can spread which is especially dangerous when it comes to the medical field. I cannot believe some of the posts I read on social media. 
I am not thrilled about taking a newer vaccine either but I am even less thrilled about living life like this for much longer. Lesser of two evils I guess.
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"The WORST part about the internet and social media is how easily misinformation and lies can spread (which is especially dangerous when it comes to the medical field.) I cannot believe some of the posts I read on social media."
Winning post of the day.
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| Posted 1/12/21 4:15 PM |
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soontobemommyof2
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Re: Vaccine Question
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by PitterPatter11
I just want to clarify points you made that are incorrect or misleading.
Posted by soontobemommyof2
they decided to skip revisiting these animal trials and decided instead to go directly to human trials. Big concern.
This is false. They ran animal and human tests simultaneously.
Pfizer and Moderna did not skip animal trials
Something that we should know is if u inject material into the body that it’s meant to create an antibody as part of the measure of effectiveness in a vaccine, that antibody is gonna always attack whatever description it’s been told to attack and if ur body contains the same or similar genetic material to what u’ve been injected with, ur immune system will be prone to attack u as well. There’s some evidence that shows that the genetic code of the spike protein is similar to pieces of our own genetic code which then increases chances for autoimmune problems.
Based on this statement, if you contract Covid, you would also develop these autoimmune issues as you would be making these same antibodies.
The article u cited does not link the animal trials, do u mind sharing the links? If they indeed tested them simultaneously, which one started first? Cause they started calling volunteers from March. But even if animal trials were done, they should have been done before it went into people. This is what’s required from manufacturers...to show a product is safe before putting human volunteers at potential risk. I get that there was a sense of urgency but by doing the human trials and not the animals, or having human trials take the lead seems morally questionable from their part because there could be unknown harm caused to people. Also they haven’t announced that their vaccine are more than 90% effective at ‘preventing’ Covid19 like the article points out. They’re saying it’s effective at ‘lessening’ symptoms.
Regarding ur second point, it’s more about the body having a natural immune response against a wild virus that enters the body naturally instead of the body having an immune response because it was trained to do so by synthetic mRNA through injection (that can furthermore have the potential of even entering the very center of our cells). There’s a difference. Having said that, there are still things that we don’t know for certain about covid19 but there are more unknowns about the vaccine. The least thing we want is to create more problems than solutions for this pandemic.
Animal Trials
They ran them concurrently because we are in a global pandemic where hundreds of thousands of people are dying. They got permission to do this.
The mRNA goes the ribosome where amino acids are linked together to make the spike protein. The code is the same one in the virus. The amino acids are already in your cells. They are not adding them. The spike protein is the same exact protein that would be made by the viral mRNA.
I have already said this but it says 95% effective in reducing symptoms because they didn’t do random Covid testing on participants because Covid tests are limited and people who are symptomatic with covid are the priority. As the continue to collect data, that statement will be fine tuned.
They look like preclinical studies but I I’ll have to look more into it. I get what u’re saying about them having the green light to do this, but the concern is still there especially when conclusive studies were not done entirely first before trying it on human candidates. That poses a greater risk. Not to mention the fact that they have absolutely zero liability if something goes wrong. These are the parts that need to be considered when talking about this vaccine and we don’t hear any of that. More transparency is needed from all parties involved.
Yes, u’re correct about their claim of having a 95% efficacy at reducing symptoms but I was pointing out that the article u attached said something different. This is what the article says...”Recent posts are criticizing Pfizer and Moderna, who both announced that their vaccines were more than 90 percent effective at preventing COVID-19”. Reducing symptoms is not the same as preventing covid. That’s what I was trying to point out. There are still people that think this vaccine will prevent them from getting the virus (or even transmitting it to others) because of what they’ve heard. Again the message needs to be clear and transparent.
Regarding possible autoimmune issues based on either the body’s natural immune response to a wild virus caught naturally or through injected genetic coding...the reality of it is that we simply don’t know. The virus have been around longer than the vaccine so I’d think we’d already be seeing autoimmune problems but really haven’t. The vaccine is extremely new to assume the same would be applied but again we don’t know, however this area should also be considered when deciding whether a vaccine should be taken or not. All I’m saying is that these areas should not be brushed under the rug when encouraging people to take the vaccine, none of this is mentioned but only the good parts. Nobody is responsible if something goes wrong so the least they should do is to talk about not only the good but also the bad and the ugly.
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