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nov04libride
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by hazeleyes33
I have to agree with you. My dh and I live on less than alot of people (we are in the lowest part of this poll) and still are able to pay our bills on time. Yes, we bought our house awhile ago but we do have cc debt and kids in daycare that kills us as we would have alot more spending and saving money. We don't go on vacations and don't go out alot of places because we can not budget it in.
Even though it is nice to have money, as you can see, even people think over $100,000 is not good which makes us "poor" people happier than the "rich".
But the big difference is that you would not be able to own a home if you went to purchase one now, which is the situation most of us on here are in. Yes, it is possible if you bought 5 or more years ago, but 5 years ago I was in college.
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Bxgell2
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
I have to pipe in here, because there's something I see going on this thread, that's I've seen before, and it always makes me ponder.
Why is it NOT ok to be judgmental of people in the lower tax brackets, but completely and totally ok to judge those who are in the higher tax brackets? Why is it automatically assumed that those in the higher tax brackets, who find that $100k for one family isn't enough, are necessarily "unhappy", or making unnecessary sacrifices, at the sake of family time? This is a form of reverse discrimination, and I find it just as insulting as people who judge those who are less well off.
Me, personally, my husband and I do quite well - and, yet, without living luxuriously or spending oodles of money on fancy cars, vacations or clothing, we DO spend a lot on just basics, like our mortgage, food, and daycare. But, you know what? We ARE very happy, and though we both work, it's not for the money - it's for the fulfillment we both get from our careers. While we do both work full-time, we've chosen careers that are more flexible and family friendly, so we DO spend quite a bit of time with our daughter.
Let's stop for a moment, and think a little before we pass judgment...
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by Bxgell2
I have to pipe in here, because there's something I see going on this thread, that's I've seen before, and it always makes me ponder.
Why is it NOT ok to be judgmental of people in the lower tax brackets, but completely and totally ok to judge those who are? Why is it automatically assumed that those in the higher tax brackets, who find that $100k for one family isn't enough, are necessarily "unhappy", or making unnecessary sacrifices, at the sake of family time? This is a form of reverse discrimination, and I find it just as insulting as people who judge those who are less well off.
Me, personally, my husband and I do quite well - and, yet, without living luxuriously or spending oodles of money on fancy cars, vacations or clothing, we DO spend a lot on just basics, like our mortgage, food, and daycare. But, you know what? We ARE very happy, and though we both work, it's not for the money - it's for the fulfillment we both get from our careers. While we do both work full-time, we've chosen careers that are more flexible and family friendly, so we DO spend quite a bit of time with our daughter.
Let's stop for a moment, and think a little before we pass judgment...
never passed judgement
i am not one to say that ALL people who make a big salary have a broken home.
Like I said, it's case specific. Everyone does what works for them
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lululu
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by Bxgell2
I have to pipe in here, because there's something I see going on this thread, that's I've seen before, and it always makes me ponder.
Why is it NOT ok to be judgmental of people in the lower tax brackets, but completely and totally ok to judge those who are in the higher tax brackets? Why is it automatically assumed that those in the higher tax brackets, who find that $100k for one family isn't enough, are necessarily "unhappy", or making unnecessary sacrifices, at the sake of family time? This is a form of reverse discrimination, and I find it just as insulting as people who judge those who are less well off.
Me, personally, my husband and I do quite well - and, yet, without living luxuriously or spending oodles of money on fancy cars, vacations or clothing, we DO spend a lot on just basics, like our mortgage, food, and daycare. But, you know what? We ARE very happy, and though we both work, it's not for the money - it's for the fulfillment we both get from our careers. While we do both work full-time, we've chosen careers that are more flexible and family friendly, so we DO spend quite a bit of time with our daughter.
Let's stop for a moment, and think a little before we pass judgment...
you know - I was just about to type something similar and then i thought - why even bother. I think it makes people feel better to think that anyone who has/makes a good deal of money is "paying the price for it". but since you posted it, I will put in my 2 cents as well. My husband and i do very well. and we are both very happy. We were very motivated in our careers and it gave us a lot of satisfaction to achieve financial success. Neither of us did this at the expense of spending time with our family or being unhappy all of the time. And I think we are one of the happiest couples out of all of my friends. The ones who seem to be the unhappiest from the outside are the ones that have financial problems, because it seems that all they do is fight about money. But EVERYONE's circumstances are different so it's unfair to say that just because someone is financially well off, that they are unhappy elsewhere....
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
guys
RE-READ my post
NEVER did I say that ALL people who make over a certain amount have a broken home
like i said, whatever your situation is, is what works for you.
Hey, if you make the big paycheck and can manage all the pressures of life, my hat's off to you.
I know alot of people that cannot.
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| Posted 4/16/07 11:55 AM |
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
and i'll add on the other end of the spectrum that being on the low end of the spectrum can also lead to a broken home, IN SOME CASES
because money is a constant point of strife
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| Posted 4/16/07 11:58 AM |
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TheLorax
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Depends where you live (NYC versus eastern LI can be VERY different). I would say 100K+ - I always think of 6 digits as a well paying job (not that I make that much, but if I did, I would say I was well paid).  I live in Eastern LI.
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| Posted 4/16/07 12:00 PM |
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lululu
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
and having alot of money DOES come at a price
so, maybe you make the big paycheck, have the big house and the shiny cars in the driveway.
What do you have to do to make that kind of money?
Working round the clock, never seeing your family?
No thank you.
You say it right here - having money DOES come at a price. We are trying to say it doesnt always come at a price. that's all....
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nrthshgrl
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
and i'll add on the other end of the spectrum that being on the low end of the spectrum can also lead to a broken home, IN SOME CASES
because money is a constant point of strife
Considering that money/finances is the most often answered as the topic couples fight about I agree with you.
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| Posted 4/16/07 12:02 PM |
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lululu
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
guys
RE-READ my post
NEVER did I say that ALL people who make over a certain amount have a broken home
like i said, whatever your situation is, is what works for you.
Hey, if you make the big paycheck and can manage all the pressures of life, my hat's off to you.
I know alot of people that cannot.
Again - what we are trying to say is that just because we might make a big paycheck does not necessarily mean that we have more pressures in life than someone making an average or below average pay check. Personally, I think that i have much less stress than a police officer, a construction worker or many other people that do dangerous or back breaking work day after day....
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Bxgell2
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by lululu
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
and having alot of money DOES come at a price
so, maybe you make the big paycheck, have the big house and the shiny cars in the driveway.
What do you have to do to make that kind of money?
Working round the clock, never seeing your family?
No thank you.
You say it right here - having money DOES come at a price. We are trying to say it doesnt always come at a price. that's all....
Exactly. It doesn't always come at a cost, and it doesn't always mean working round the clock, never seeing your family. In fact, I'd venture to say that many of the people we know and interact with live quite comfortabely, and are happy, you just don't know about it because they don't announce to the world their financial status.
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by lululu
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
and having alot of money DOES come at a price
so, maybe you make the big paycheck, have the big house and the shiny cars in the driveway.
What do you have to do to make that kind of money?
Working round the clock, never seeing your family?
No thank you.
You say it right here - having money DOES come at a price. We are trying to say it doesnt always come at a price. that's all....
read the last line of my post
You can't deny that making more money takes a chunk out of your personal life (e.g., more work, more hours, more responsibility)
there is a price to be paid - and hey, some people may like that
HOWEVER, it's CASE-SPECIFIC. Some people who make alot of money are very good at managing work and social time, and that's great. Some people have flexiblke schedules, like I said, it's all relative.
I stand by what I said, it's bad IF it effects you.
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
and i'll add on the other end of the spectrum that being on the low end of the spectrum can also lead to a broken home, IN SOME CASES
because money is a constant point of strife
Considering that money/finances is the most often answered as the topic couples fight about I agree with you.
he!! has frozen over 
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Bxgell2
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
read the last line of my post
You can't deny that making more money takes a chunk out of your personal life (e.g., more work, more hours, more responsibility)
there is a price to be paid - and hey, some people may like that
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On what basis are you making that statement? Because, I have quite a few friends, I'd say more than less, who have well-paying jobs, but those jobs take no more time or responsiblity as those who are in lower income brackets. Even though we work full-time, my husband and I work less hours than anyone else I know who works full-time. It's all case-specific, so how can you even venture to say that making more money necessarily equates to more hours/responsibility/sacrifice?
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nrthshgrl
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
Posted by nrthshgrl
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
and i'll add on the other end of the spectrum that being on the low end of the spectrum can also lead to a broken home, IN SOME CASES
because money is a constant point of strife
Considering that money/finances is the most often answered as the topic couples fight about I agree with you.
he!! has frozen over
Nah. Just the first time I let you know.
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by lululu
Posted by Bxgell2
I have to pipe in here, because there's something I see going on this thread, that's I've seen before, and it always makes me ponder.
Why is it NOT ok to be judgmental of people in the lower tax brackets, but completely and totally ok to judge those who are in the higher tax brackets? Why is it automatically assumed that those in the higher tax brackets, who find that $100k for one family isn't enough, are necessarily "unhappy", or making unnecessary sacrifices, at the sake of family time? This is a form of reverse discrimination, and I find it just as insulting as people who judge those who are less well off.
Me, personally, my husband and I do quite well - and, yet, without living luxuriously or spending oodles of money on fancy cars, vacations or clothing, we DO spend a lot on just basics, like our mortgage, food, and daycare. But, you know what? We ARE very happy, and though we both work, it's not for the money - it's for the fulfillment we both get from our careers. While we do both work full-time, we've chosen careers that are more flexible and family friendly, so we DO spend quite a bit of time with our daughter.
Let's stop for a moment, and think a little before we pass judgment...
you know - I was just about to type something similar and then i thought - why even bother...
Same here.
It cracks me up how it simply comes down to poor money managment.
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nrthshgrl
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
read the last line of my post
You can't deny that making more money takes a chunk out of your personal life (e.g., more work, more hours, more responsibility)
there is a price to be paid - and hey, some people may like that
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On what basis are you making that statement? Because, I have quite a few friends, I'd say more than less, who have well-paying jobs, but those jobs take no more time or responsiblity as those who are in lower income brackets. Even though we work full-time, my husband and I work less hours than anyone else I know who works full-time. It's all case-specific, so how can you even venture to say that making more money necessarily equates to more hours/responsibility/sacrifice?
I do think that more money often equals more responsibilities. My friend I posted about (making about $300K) works 4 days a week - 1 at home. She has the responsiblity but without the sacrifice.
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
read the last line of my post
You can't deny that making more money takes a chunk out of your personal life (e.g., more work, more hours, more responsibility)
there is a price to be paid - and hey, some people may like that
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On what basis are you making that statement? Because, I have quite a few friends, I'd say more than less, who have well-paying jobs, but those jobs take no more time or responsiblity as those who are in lower income brackets. Even though we work full-time, my husband and I work less hours than anyone else I know who works full-time. It's all case-specific, so how can you even venture to say that making more money necessarily equates to more hours/responsibility/sacrifice?
i'm sorry, but maybe i'm dreaming,
did I not say the following?:
HOWEVER, it's CASE-SPECIFIC. Some people who make alot of money are very good at managing work and social time, and that's great. Some people have flexiblke schedules, like I said, it's all relative.
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Bxgell2
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
Posted by Bxgell2
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
read the last line of my post
You can't deny that making more money takes a chunk out of your personal life (e.g., more work, more hours, more responsibility)
there is a price to be paid - and hey, some people may like that
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On what basis are you making that statement? Because, I have quite a few friends, I'd say more than less, who have well-paying jobs, but those jobs take no more time or responsiblity as those who are in lower income brackets. Even though we work full-time, my husband and I work less hours than anyone else I know who works full-time. It's all case-specific, so how can you even venture to say that making more money necessarily equates to more hours/responsibility/sacrifice?
i'm sorry, but maybe i'm dreaming,
did I not say the following?:
HOWEVER, it's CASE-SPECIFIC. Some people who make alot of money are very good at managing work and social time, and that's great. Some people have flexiblke schedules, like I said, it's all relative.
Ok, Don, maybe we're just playing a semantics game here, but I take the following sentence as a generalization, not case-specific relativity:
"You can't deny that making more money takes a chunk out of your personal life (e.g., more work, more hours, more responsibility)"
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lululu
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by Bxgell2
Ok, Don, maybe we're just playing a semantics game here, but I take the following sentence as a generalization, not case-specific relativity:
"You can't deny that making more money takes a chunk out of your personal life (e.g., more work, more hours, more responsibility)"
I agree - Don, you are making a generalization and then saying, but it's on a case by case basis. Your posts seem to contradict one another but maybe i am just misreading. Either way, making more money has had no impact on my social or family life, my mental or physical health, and i am still able to bring home a good pay check. To each his own.
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QuoteTheRaven424
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
yep, you're all misreading
i'm done here - not worth the back and forth
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CowgirlChick97
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
honestly? me n dh barely make the lowest bracket COMBINED
n sometimes it upsets me that ppl make SO much money
but then i realize that SOME ppl, not ALL, who make tha tkind of money arent home by 5 every night, dont see their SO every night, and i rather that than all the $$ in the world
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munchkinbugs
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Bottom line---it depends on what industry you work in, or even what company you work for.
A stock broker that busts his/her azz working all day and then taking out clients at night does sacrifice his/her personal time to succeed.
A VP who has a flexible schedule and still makes as much as the stock broker does not.
I have a friend that sells life insurance and works until 10 PM sometimes going on appointments. I make more than him, and I only work maybe 30-35 hours per week. We are both in sales. He sacrifices and I clearly don't. But he is putting his time in.
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dm24angel
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by monkeybride
Posted by dm24angel
Posted by Beth1210
Posted by JenniferEver
I, too, make less than half of the bottomn number, but compared to how much I was making in theatre, I feel RICH now. I think I have a really decent job with a decent salary.
But I still think the number with the WOW factor for me, personally is $50K. Fh has always made more than that...but to me $125K is a fortune and what I would consider someone who is "rich." It's amazing how much perspectives differ
Jennifer- remember you are young and just starting out- when I was your age I was making 1/2 what I make 5 years later-so for you to compare yourself to people that have been working for years- it isn't fair to yourself
Im not "young" at all and I think $125K a year for one person is a fortune......
And Kinda feel anyone who doesnt is off their rocker....
Unless they have lived a very well to do lifestyle previously and to me with more then $125K a year that would mean , huge home, designer clothes and fancy cars...
because I could afford all of that on that salary.
Really? What's your secret?
Do you have student loans to pay off? a mortgage? a car payment? I mean this stuff adds up.
Our bills alone are almost 4K a month (mortgage, utilities, insurance, car payment (and it's a cheap asss car) etc.)
I don't wear designer clothes, I cut coupons and we don't eat out often AND we don't even live in NY anymore.
125K in this day and age is not rich, I'm sorry.
Ok, so based on what you just said at $4K a month for bills...Thats less then $50K a year.
I was saying one person making $125K...meaning the other person makes at least something in the household.
So you have almost 75% of your income left over?? And you need to cut coupons? See what Im saying?
We have a high rent, two cars, insurance, baby on the way and debt, my school loan , back taxes to pay but I could buy a coach bag if my heart was set on it....
I really apologize if Im coming off wrong, but I cannot understand how anyone can say $125K a year is not a lot of money , and cannot live on that amount if they are "living a normal lifestyle"....I was stating I live whats considered a normal lifestyle on nothing even remotely close to that amount of money....
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hazeleyes33
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Re: "Well paying jobs"
Posted by QuoteTheRaven424
and having alot of money DOES come at a price
so, maybe you make the big paycheck, have the big house and the shiny cars in the driveway.
What do you have to do to make that kind of money?
Working round the clock, never seeing your family?
No thank you.
All the money in the world is meaningless to me IF it effects the things that are more important.
Notice the word, "IF" - i am not saying that it ALWAYS does. I'm saying that it can happen IN SOME CASES.
Very true. My dh and I only work 40 hours a week each and have the weekends free to spend with the kids. Yes, my dh could get a pt job that would help out with some of the bills but I don't want that. I would like him home to spend time with us (and help out-lol!). The bills (cc) will get paid but not at the sacrifice of my dh not being able to see the kids grow up.
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