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I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.

I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.

If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.

If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.

In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.

Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.

I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.

You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.

" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"

"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"

There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.

and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?

It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.

And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.

Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.

Now who's running both sides of their mouth? On one hand you're discrediting scientists by saying they know jack sh*t about this vaccine, that it's dangerous, that only sheep take it, that the reason people have died from covid is really because of their love affair with big macs, and in the very next breath you're saying the vaccine should've been released even sooner (obviously with even less trials and testing if that were the case). Just pointing out your double talk.

Never said less trials and testing.

You didn't have to say it. It's an obvious implication.

If you are ok with the vaccine because they have been testing with Sars for years, then you would have been ok for this to have had more testing and trials as soon as this came along.

Just what? Ok. *insert Jim Halpert face here*

She won't reply to you, for some creepy reason she is only obsessed with me and everything I post or say. She is a weirdo. lol

I have replied to others in this thread. Maybe you missed it because you were so ready to attack me. How about attacking other people who have said the same thing I have about the vaccine? Why not answer that as I have asked you that a few times?

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So how about those Flat Earthers? I hear they are really falling off the edge during the pandemic.

Re: Well that escalated quickly

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Posted by Mill188

I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.

I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.

If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.

If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.

In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.

Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.

I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.

You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.

" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"

"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"

There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.

and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?

It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.

And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.

Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.

Now who's running both sides of their mouth? On one hand you're discrediting scientists by saying they know jack sh*t about this vaccine, that it's dangerous, that only sheep take it, that the reason people have died from covid is really because of their love affair with big macs, and in the very next breath you're saying the vaccine should've been released even sooner (obviously with even less trials and testing if that were the case). Just pointing out your double talk.

Never said less trials and testing.

You didn't have to say it. It's an obvious implication.

If you are ok with the vaccine because they have been testing with Sars for years, then you would have been ok for this to have had more testing and trials as soon as this came along.

Just what? Ok. *insert Jim Halpert face here*

She won't reply to you, for some creepy reason she is only obsessed with me and everything I post or say. She is a weirdo. lol

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Posted by Mill188

I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.

I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.

If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.

If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.

In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.

Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.

I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.

You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.

" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"

"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"

There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.

and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?

It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.

And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.

Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.

Now who's running both sides of their mouth? On one hand you're discrediting scientists by saying they know jack sh*t about this vaccine, that it's dangerous, that only sheep take it, that the reason people have died from covid is really because of their love affair with big macs, and in the very next breath you're saying the vaccine should've been released even sooner (obviously with even less trials and testing if that were the case). Just pointing out your double talk.

Never said less trials and testing.

You didn't have to say it. It's an obvious implication.

If you are ok with the vaccine because they have been testing with Sars for years, then you would have been ok for this to have had more testing and trials as soon as this came along.

Just what? Ok. *insert Jim Halpert face here*

She won't reply to you, for some creepy reason she is only obsessed with me and everything I post or say. She is a weirdo. lol

Give it sometime. She was obsessed with KK and has moved on to you. She’ll target someone else soon.

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Posted by Mill188

I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.

I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.

If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.

If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.

In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.

Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.

I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.

You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.

" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"

"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"

There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.

and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?

It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.

And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.

Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.

Now who's running both sides of their mouth? On one hand you're discrediting scientists by saying they know jack sh*t about this vaccine, that it's dangerous, that only sheep take it, that the reason people have died from covid is really because of their love affair with big macs, and in the very next breath you're saying the vaccine should've been released even sooner (obviously with even less trials and testing if that were the case). Just pointing out your double talk.

Never said less trials and testing.

You didn't have to say it. It's an obvious implication.

If you are ok with the vaccine because they have been testing with Sars for years, then you would have been ok for this to have had more testing and trials as soon as this came along.

Just what? Ok. *insert Jim Halpert face here*

She won't reply to you, for some creepy reason she is only obsessed with me and everything I post or say. She is a weirdo. lol

Give it sometime. She was obsessed with KK and has moved on to you. She’ll target someone else soon.

Fingers crossed. New Year, new obsession. LOL

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I never said I know more but many things are just common sense. I don't follow the sheep like so many do and actually question things and realize that many don't sound right. I have been alive longer than you have and I don't plan to vaccinate as well as so many other family and friends I have because, as much as they know about Sars, this is still new and there has not been enough trial and error. You might not buy a car in the first year of production to get the kinks out but people are willing to take a vaccine that they don't even know what could happen. Makes no sense to me but I truly hope it all works out to get back to some normalcy. I have plans next year that I want to go through but I also don't limit what I do like many have.

You just follow a different herd of sheep. Most of us question things, but we do the research to answer these questions. Just because we've researched the vaccine (to the extent that we can), and are willing to get the vaccine doesn't mean that we are sheep, going into vaccination blindly.

Just wanted to thank you for some sense on the sheep comment! I’m so sick of hearing the sheep crap! You just said what I’ve been thinking for months! This and “do your research” go hand in hand someone please tell them it should be “check your sources!” That’s where the problem is! Vent over

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I never said I know more but many things are just common sense. I don't follow the sheep like so many do and actually question things and realize that many don't sound right. I have been alive longer than you have and I don't plan to vaccinate as well as so many other family and friends I have because, as much as they know about Sars, this is still new and there has not been enough trial and error. You might not buy a car in the first year of production to get the kinks out but people are willing to take a vaccine that they don't even know what could happen. Makes no sense to me but I truly hope it all works out to get back to some normalcy. I have plans next year that I want to go through but I also don't limit what I do like many have.

You just follow a different herd of sheep. Most of us question things, but we do the research to answer these questions. Just because we've researched the vaccine (to the extent that we can), and are willing to get the vaccine doesn't mean that we are sheep, going into vaccination blindly.

Just wanted to thank you for some sense on the sheep comment! I’m so sick of hearing the sheep crap! You just said what I’ve been thinking for months! This and “do your research” go hand in hand someone please tell them it should be “check your sources!” That’s where the problem is! Vent over

I can’t stand hearing ‘do your research.’

Unless you are actually writing something detailed on a topic, you really are just looking into it or reading about it. There is no peer review to your ‘sources’.

Back up your claim of what you are saying with your source. Well I believe this because of this source and this source seems credible because of X, Y, and Z.

I get that some people feel strongly about this new vaccine. But for the love of God please use a source and explain why and how that source is credible is someone is arguing with you about it.

I’ve given up on VB. She wastes more time going back and forth with people and trying to get to them on a personal level. That time would be better spent backing up your claim. I guess she has a lot of time on her hands.

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Posted by valentinesbaby48

I never said I know more but many things are just common sense. I don't follow the sheep like so many do and actually question things and realize that many don't sound right. I have been alive longer than you have and I don't plan to vaccinate as well as so many other family and friends I have because, as much as they know about Sars, this is still new and there has not been enough trial and error. You might not buy a car in the first year of production to get the kinks out but people are willing to take a vaccine that they don't even know what could happen. Makes no sense to me but I truly hope it all works out to get back to some normalcy. I have plans next year that I want to go through but I also don't limit what I do like many have.

You just follow a different herd of sheep. Most of us question things, but we do the research to answer these questions. Just because we've researched the vaccine (to the extent that we can), and are willing to get the vaccine doesn't mean that we are sheep, going into vaccination blindly.

Just wanted to thank you for some sense on the sheep comment! I’m so sick of hearing the sheep crap! You just said what I’ve been thinking for months! This and “do your research” go hand in hand someone please tell them it should be “check your sources!” That’s where the problem is! Vent over

I can’t stand hearing ‘do your research.’

Unless you are actually writing something detailed on a topic, you really are just looking into it or reading about it. There is no peer review to your ‘sources’.

Back up your claim of what you are saying with your source. Well I believe this because of this source and this source seems credible because of X, Y, and Z.

I get that some people feel strongly about this new vaccine. But for the love of God please use a source and explain why and how that source is credible is someone is arguing with you about it.

I’ve given up on VB. She wastes more time going back and forth with people and trying to get to them on a personal level. That time would be better spent backing up your claim. I guess she has a lot of time on her hands.

I was discussing this with friends last night-- about the whole internet--not just this site.

It's crazy to see so many smart, well-intentioned people, who are, themselves, trying to discuss serious things openly and rationally being run around in circles, attacked, etc. by anonymous people who may or may not have any level of knowledge, sanity, or good intentions. But earnest, rational people tend to give others the benefit of the doubt and engage. And get the brunt of others' ignorance, vitriol, etc.

This being the internet, it's hard to take anything personally and easy to refuse to engage--just like any of us would if someone we didn't know and had no reason to respect tried to accost us on the street.

I agree wholeheartedly with what was said, though. Whether people have misplaced their shock and rage or not, we are living through something big and serious. No one enjoys or relishes any aspect of it. It is a test of our resilience and coping skills. Nothing is guaranteed to us, but insanely amazing things have been gifted to us by science--and the things we miss so much will return.

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Posted by Mill188

I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.

I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.

If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.

If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.

In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.

Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.

I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.

You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.

" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"

"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"

There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.

and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?

It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.

And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.

Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.

Now who's running both sides of their mouth? On one hand you're discrediting scientists by saying they know jack sh*t about this vaccine, that it's dangerous, that only sheep take it, that the reason people have died from covid is really because of their love affair with big macs, and in the very next breath you're saying the vaccine should've been released even sooner (obviously with even less trials and testing if that were the case). Just pointing out your double talk.

Never said less trials and testing.

You didn't have to say it. It's an obvious implication.

If you are ok with the vaccine because they have been testing with Sars for years, then you would have been ok for this to have had more testing and trials as soon as this came along.

Just what? Ok. *insert Jim Halpert face here*

She won't reply to you, for some creepy reason she is only obsessed with me and everything I post or say. She is a weirdo. lol

Give it sometime. She was obsessed with KK and has moved on to you. She’ll target someone else soon.

Fingers crossed. New Year, new obsession. LOL

Just make sure that you have saved all her posts about you, better yet print them out. You may need to take them to the police.

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Posted by Mill188

I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.

I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.

If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.

If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.

In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.

Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.

I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.

You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.

" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"

"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"

There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.

and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?

It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.

And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.

Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.

Now who's running both sides of their mouth? On one hand you're discrediting scientists by saying they know jack sh*t about this vaccine, that it's dangerous, that only sheep take it, that the reason people have died from covid is really because of their love affair with big macs, and in the very next breath you're saying the vaccine should've been released even sooner (obviously with even less trials and testing if that were the case). Just pointing out your double talk.

Never said less trials and testing.

You didn't have to say it. It's an obvious implication.

If you are ok with the vaccine because they have been testing with Sars for years, then you would have been ok for this to have had more testing and trials as soon as this came along.

Just what? Ok. *insert Jim Halpert face here*

She won't reply to you, for some creepy reason she is only obsessed with me and everything I post or say. She is a weirdo. lol

Give it sometime. She was obsessed with KK and has moved on to you. She’ll target someone else soon.

Fingers crossed. New Year, new obsession. LOL

Just make sure that you have saved all her posts about you, better yet print them out. You may need to take them to the police.

Are you new here?

Where were you when I was told to die by KK but “I” am obsessed? Do you read anything Hofstra says to me?
We all don’t have to agree but I don’t come back and tell people to die and call them names and tell them to go away every other post.

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Posted by valentinesbaby48

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by valentinesbaby48

Posted by Naturalmama

Posted by valentinesbaby48

Posted by Naturalmama

Posted by Mill188

I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.

I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.

If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.

If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.

In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.

Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.

I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.

You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.

" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"

"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"

There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.

and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?

It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.

And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.

Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.

Now who's running both sides of their mouth? On one hand you're discrediting scientists by saying they know jack sh*t about this vaccine, that it's dangerous, that only sheep take it, that the reason people have died from covid is really because of their love affair with big macs, and in the very next breath you're saying the vaccine should've been released even sooner (obviously with even less trials and testing if that were the case). Just pointing out your double talk.

Never said less trials and testing.

You didn't have to say it. It's an obvious implication.

If you are ok with the vaccine because they have been testing with Sars for years, then you would have been ok for this to have had more testing and trials as soon as this came along.

Just what? Ok. *insert Jim Halpert face here*

She won't reply to you, for some creepy reason she is only obsessed with me and everything I post or say. She is a weirdo. lol

Give it sometime. She was obsessed with KK and has moved on to you. She’ll target someone else soon.

Fingers crossed. New Year, new obsession. LOL

Just make sure that you have saved all her posts about you, better yet print them out. You may need to take them to the police.

Are you new here?

Where were you when I was told to die by KK but “I” am obsessed? Do you read anything Hofstra says to me?
We all don’t have to agree but I don’t come back and tell people to die and call them names and tell them to go away every other post.

Stop playing the victim. You constantly make snide, condescending remarks to everyone and then you pout and play victim like you're being attacked for no reason.

You run off at the mouth as if you're an expert on everything when the reality is you know very little about much of anything. You just like to hear yourself talk. Then when people go back at you and put you on the spot you get mad, deflect, change the topic or cry victim.

Stop with your drama, it's getting old around here.

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Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by valentinesbaby48

Posted by jlm2008

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Posted by alli3131

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by MC09

Posted by valentinesbaby48

Posted by MC09

Posted by valentinesbaby48

Posted by MC09

Posted by valentinesbaby48

Posted by Hofstra26

Posted by valentinesbaby48

Posted by Naturalmama

Posted by valentinesbaby48

Posted by Naturalmama

Posted by Mill188

I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.

I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.

If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.

If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.

In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.

Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.

I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.

You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.

" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"

"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"

There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.

and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?

It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.

And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.

Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.

Now who's running both sides of their mouth? On one hand you're discrediting scientists by saying they know jack sh*t about this vaccine, that it's dangerous, that only sheep take it, that the reason people have died from covid is really because of their love affair with big macs, and in the very next breath you're saying the vaccine should've been released even sooner (obviously with even less trials and testing if that were the case). Just pointing out your double talk.

Never said less trials and testing.

You didn't have to say it. It's an obvious implication.

If you are ok with the vaccine because they have been testing with Sars for years, then you would have been ok for this to have had more testing and trials as soon as this came along.

Just what? Ok. *insert Jim Halpert face here*

She won't reply to you, for some creepy reason she is only obsessed with me and everything I post or say. She is a weirdo. lol

Give it sometime. She was obsessed with KK and has moved on to you. She’ll target someone else soon.

Fingers crossed. New Year, new obsession. LOL

Just make sure that you have saved all her posts about you, better yet print them out. You may need to take them to the police.

Are you new here?

Where were you when I was told to die by KK but “I” am obsessed? Do you read anything Hofstra says to me?
We all don’t have to agree but I don’t come back and tell people to die and call them names and tell them to go away every other post.

Stop playing the victim. You constantly make snide, condescending remarks to everyone and then you pout and play victim like you're being attacked for no reason.

You run off at the mouth as if you're an expert on everything when the reality is you know very little about much of anything. You just like to hear yourself talk. Then when people go back at you and put you on the spot you get mad, deflect, change the topic or cry victim.

Stop with your drama, it's getting old around here.

You could stop posting to any person on social media but you insist on continuing. Why is that? Again many agree with me outside of the mean girl clique on here.

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Social Distancing works. That is fact. Why do you think NY went from a 51% infection rate in April to a 1% infection rate in July? Because everyone stayed away from each other. Now that people are gathering again the numbers are rising.
I 100% believe that there are ways to keep the economy at least partially open and keep infection rates down. I do not believe stay at home orders and full Wuhan style lockdowns are necessarily needed anymore now that we know more. But to say social distancing doesn't work is just silly.

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