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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I think most everyone gets the hesitation and there is a part of me that is nervous too about the vaccine. That being said, I have weighed the risks against living my life like this and the fact is, I just cannot live my life like this anymore. For me, the vaccine is worth the risk.
I don't want to be socially distant anymore or wear a mask or watch my young children miss out on a normal childhood and school experience. I want to see my family and my friends, I want to go to parties and BBQ's, I want to vacation and I don't want to be afraid of every other human on the planet. I simply cannot keep living like this, it is absolutely horrible.
I don't feel like I am living my life anymore, I am just existing in a world that is scary, awful and depressing and I cannot do another year like this. That is why I will take my chances with a vaccine. Unfortunately, the more people that refuse to get the vaccine the longer this will drag out.
I hate to tell you but many of that is your own choice. Schooling, no and that is the worst part honestly right now for my kids.
Many of us have continued doing as much as we can, masked, socially distanced, etc.
I won't get the flu vaccine, knock on wood, think I have had the flu once in my entire life and the flu is still around. This will never go away and we will have to live with his just like every other virus we have lived with.
No, it's not a CHOICE, it's what we all HAVE to do to survive right now. Let's not pretend that life is anywhere near normal and you're just happily living life as if it were 2019. There is SO much we cannot do still or even do safely. Living life staying away from people and with a mask on is NOT NORMAL. MANY would agree with me that we're not living anymore, we're all in survival mode at best.
Also, nobody thinks the virus will magically go away, it will be something we live with forever most likely but part of living with it is utilizing medicine and vaccines to mitigate its effects on the individual and society as a whole.
I got the flu last winter for the first time in over 30+ years, I hadn't taken the vaccine, never got around to it. My daughter was sick with the flu at the same time but had the flu shot, she did a 180 within 2 days and felt all better. I was sick and miserable for DAYS! Point is, even if the COVID vaccine isn't 100% (like the flu vaccine) it will hopefully allow people to have a more mild case of COVID and heal more quickly instead of being sick for weeks, with long term health effects or worse, in a hospital and possibly dead.
As for your comment above, you make yourself look juvenile when you hijack a thread with childish comments just because you've been cornered and made to look foolish and can't add anything intelligent to the conversation. Stay on topic for once.
Yes, you DO have a choice to see family and go out to a restaurant or other places that are open. If you chose not to, you can not blame this as others are living life safely.
Funny as others have said the exact same thing as me but I don't see you attacking them.
I go shopping. I go out to eat once a week. My daughter goes to Irish Step. My DH goes to work. My kids are in school. BUT it's still not the same. Not by a long shot. No matter how safe you TRY to be it's still not safe out there and you really shouldn't be socializing especially with cases on the rise.
I am not going to argue this point with you because quite honestly, you sound foolish when you try to convince anyone that life is the same despite COVID. It is not. There is literally not a person on LIF that has said that, EVERYONE (except you it would seem) has acknowledged how our lives have been upended in every way possible even if they are still "living life safely". Sure, you can still do a few things but you're doing them in fear of getting sick and there is NOTHING normal about staying away from people and wearing a mask.
"No, it's not a CHOICE, it's what we all HAVE to do to survive right now. Let's not pretend that life is anywhere near normal and you're just happily living life as if it were 2019. There is SO much we cannot do still or even do safely. Living life staying away from people and with a mask on is NOT NORMAL. MANY would agree with me that we're not living anymore, we're all in survival mode at best."
Sounds like you do many "normal" things. Yes you are wearing a mask doing some but you have made it sound like you go no where, see no one and don't do anything normal. Which one is it?
I don't have that fear of every time I go out, I am going to get sick. Just like I didn't before this. I live with an essential and another adult who hasn't stopped seeing people (in the beginning I was sooo not happy with that as yes, there was fear in the beginning but they get tested all the time, voluntary and involuntary).
There is no need to argue. I know people from people who won't wear a mask and people who barely leave their homes and fear everything the media is telling them. I am doing what I feel is best for me and my family and friends. I can't tell others what to do but it IS all a choice.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.
You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.
" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"
"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"
There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.
and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?
It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.
And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.
Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
I never said I know more but many things are just common sense. I don't follow the sheep like so many do and actually question things and realize that many don't sound right. I have been alive longer than you have and I don't plan to vaccinate as well as so many other family and friends I have because, as much as they know about Sars, this is still new and there has not been enough trial and error. You might not buy a car in the first year of production to get the kinks out but people are willing to take a vaccine that they don't even know what could happen. Makes no sense to me but I truly hope it all works out to get back to some normalcy. I have plans next year that I want to go through but I also don't limit what I do like many have.
You just follow a different herd of sheep. Most of us question things, but we do the research to answer these questions. Just because we've researched the vaccine (to the extent that we can), and are willing to get the vaccine doesn't mean that we are sheep, going into vaccination blindly.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I think most everyone gets the hesitation and there is a part of me that is nervous too about the vaccine. That being said, I have weighed the risks against living my life like this and the fact is, I just cannot live my life like this anymore. For me, the vaccine is worth the risk.
I don't want to be socially distant anymore or wear a mask or watch my young children miss out on a normal childhood and school experience. I want to see my family and my friends, I want to go to parties and BBQ's, I want to vacation and I don't want to be afraid of every other human on the planet. I simply cannot keep living like this, it is absolutely horrible.
I don't feel like I am living my life anymore, I am just existing in a world that is scary, awful and depressing and I cannot do another year like this. That is why I will take my chances with a vaccine. Unfortunately, the more people that refuse to get the vaccine the longer this will drag out.
I hate to tell you but many of that is your own choice. Schooling, no and that is the worst part honestly right now for my kids.
Many of us have continued doing as much as we can, masked, socially distanced, etc.
I won't get the flu vaccine, knock on wood, think I have had the flu once in my entire life and the flu is still around. This will never go away and we will have to live with his just like every other virus we have lived with.
No, it's not a CHOICE, it's what we all HAVE to do to survive right now. Let's not pretend that life is anywhere near normal and you're just happily living life as if it were 2019. There is SO much we cannot do still or even do safely. Living life staying away from people and with a mask on is NOT NORMAL. MANY would agree with me that we're not living anymore, we're all in survival mode at best.
Also, nobody thinks the virus will magically go away, it will be something we live with forever most likely but part of living with it is utilizing medicine and vaccines to mitigate its effects on the individual and society as a whole.
I got the flu last winter for the first time in over 30+ years, I hadn't taken the vaccine, never got around to it. My daughter was sick with the flu at the same time but had the flu shot, she did a 180 within 2 days and felt all better. I was sick and miserable for DAYS! Point is, even if the COVID vaccine isn't 100% (like the flu vaccine) it will hopefully allow people to have a more mild case of COVID and heal more quickly instead of being sick for weeks, with long term health effects or worse, in a hospital and possibly dead.
As for your comment above, you make yourself look juvenile when you hijack a thread with childish comments just because you've been cornered and made to look foolish and can't add anything intelligent to the conversation. Stay on topic for once.
Yes, you DO have a choice to see family and go out to a restaurant or other places that are open. If you chose not to, you can not blame this as others are living life safely.
Funny as others have said the exact same thing as me but I don't see you attacking them.
I go shopping. I go out to eat once a week. My daughter goes to Irish Step. My DH goes to work. My kids are in school. BUT it's still not the same. Not by a long shot. No matter how safe you TRY to be it's still not safe out there and you really shouldn't be socializing especially with cases on the rise.
I am not going to argue this point with you because quite honestly, you sound foolish when you try to convince anyone that life is the same despite COVID. It is not. There is literally not a person on LIF that has said that, EVERYONE (except you it would seem) has acknowledged how our lives have been upended in every way possible even if they are still "living life safely". Sure, you can still do a few things but you're doing them in fear of getting sick and there is NOTHING normal about staying away from people and wearing a mask.
"No, it's not a CHOICE, it's what we all HAVE to do to survive right now. Let's not pretend that life is anywhere near normal and you're just happily living life as if it were 2019. There is SO much we cannot do still or even do safely. Living life staying away from people and with a mask on is NOT NORMAL. MANY would agree with me that we're not living anymore, we're all in survival mode at best."
Sounds like you do many "normal" things. Yes you are wearing a mask doing some but you have made it sound like you go no where, see no one and don't do anything normal. Which one is it?
I don't have that fear of every time I go out, I am going to get sick. Just like I didn't before this. I live with an essential and another adult who hasn't stopped seeing people (in the beginning I was sooo not happy with that as yes, there was fear in the beginning but they get tested all the time, voluntary and involuntary).
There is no need to argue. I know people from people who won't wear a mask and people who barely leave their homes and fear everything the media is telling them. I am doing what I feel is best for me and my family and friends. I can't tell others what to do but it IS all a choice.
You are missing the point as you often do. Whether you, or I, or anyone makes a "choice" to do some "normal things", life is NOT normal. Nothing about this situation is normal. I fail to see what you cannot understand about this.
Restaurants and stores are at half capacity, countless weddings have been cancelled, holidays for most were spent alone, most sporting events have been off the table, Broadway and other theater events are shuttered, large gatherings are discouraged, people aren't socializing like we use to.............there are no big parties, BBQ's, big celebratory events, birthday parties, etc. We are required to live behind a mask and encouraged to stay AT LEAST 6 ft away from one another.
THIS IS NOT NORMAL. At all.
So while you can feel free to try and pretend we're living normally because we do a few things out in public under very ABNORMAL guidelines the rest of us will stay grounded over in reality.
THIS is why many are chomping at the bit to get the vaccine because even if it's slightly effective it's better than nothing and it will allow us to get back to actual, REAL normal.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.
You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.
" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"
"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"
There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.
and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?
It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.
And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.
Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.
For the love of God, step away from the right wing, conservative, propaganda sites. You are a sheep, EVERY one of your comments is verbatim propaganda nonsense. You've yet to share an original thought on the virus, the vaccine, politics, etc. etc. etc. You are so misinformed but argue like you know it all. You don't. Your comments demonstrate that.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by AlwaysCurious
Posted by valentinesbaby48
I never said I know more but many things are just common sense. I don't follow the sheep like so many do and actually question things and realize that many don't sound right. I have been alive longer than you have and I don't plan to vaccinate as well as so many other family and friends I have because, as much as they know about Sars, this is still new and there has not been enough trial and error. You might not buy a car in the first year of production to get the kinks out but people are willing to take a vaccine that they don't even know what could happen. Makes no sense to me but I truly hope it all works out to get back to some normalcy. I have plans next year that I want to go through but I also don't limit what I do like many have.
You just follow a different herd of sheep. Most of us question things, but we do the research to answer these questions. Just because we've researched the vaccine (to the extent that we can), and are willing to get the vaccine doesn't mean that we are sheep, going into vaccination blindly.
I research things also but you can't disagree that many don't with not just this but a lot of things in life. They will take whatever is told to them and run with it.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Well..... this escalated quickly!
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.
You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.
" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"
"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"
You DO realize that these are literally two different things... or don't you? The fact that you can't see the distinction is interesting.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Well..... this escalated quickly!
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
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Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I think most everyone gets the hesitation and there is a part of me that is nervous too about the vaccine. That being said, I have weighed the risks against living my life like this and the fact is, I just cannot live my life like this anymore. For me, the vaccine is worth the risk.
I don't want to be socially distant anymore or wear a mask or watch my young children miss out on a normal childhood and school experience. I want to see my family and my friends, I want to go to parties and BBQ's, I want to vacation and I don't want to be afraid of every other human on the planet. I simply cannot keep living like this, it is absolutely horrible.
I don't feel like I am living my life anymore, I am just existing in a world that is scary, awful and depressing and I cannot do another year like this. That is why I will take my chances with a vaccine. Unfortunately, the more people that refuse to get the vaccine the longer this will drag out.
I hate to tell you but many of that is your own choice. Schooling, no and that is the worst part honestly right now for my kids.
Many of us have continued doing as much as we can, masked, socially distanced, etc.
I won't get the flu vaccine, knock on wood, think I have had the flu once in my entire life and the flu is still around. This will never go away and we will have to live with his just like every other virus we have lived with.
No, it's not a CHOICE, it's what we all HAVE to do to survive right now. Let's not pretend that life is anywhere near normal and you're just happily living life as if it were 2019. There is SO much we cannot do still or even do safely. Living life staying away from people and with a mask on is NOT NORMAL. MANY would agree with me that we're not living anymore, we're all in survival mode at best.
Also, nobody thinks the virus will magically go away, it will be something we live with forever most likely but part of living with it is utilizing medicine and vaccines to mitigate its effects on the individual and society as a whole.
I got the flu last winter for the first time in over 30+ years, I hadn't taken the vaccine, never got around to it. My daughter was sick with the flu at the same time but had the flu shot, she did a 180 within 2 days and felt all better. I was sick and miserable for DAYS! Point is, even if the COVID vaccine isn't 100% (like the flu vaccine) it will hopefully allow people to have a more mild case of COVID and heal more quickly instead of being sick for weeks, with long term health effects or worse, in a hospital and possibly dead.
As for your comment above, you make yourself look juvenile when you hijack a thread with childish comments just because you've been cornered and made to look foolish and can't add anything intelligent to the conversation. Stay on topic for once.
Yes, you DO have a choice to see family and go out to a restaurant or other places that are open. If you chose not to, you can not blame this as others are living life safely.
Funny as others have said the exact same thing as me but I don't see you attacking them.
I go shopping. I go out to eat once a week. My daughter goes to Irish Step. My DH goes to work. My kids are in school. BUT it's still not the same. Not by a long shot. No matter how safe you TRY to be it's still not safe out there and you really shouldn't be socializing especially with cases on the rise.
I am not going to argue this point with you because quite honestly, you sound foolish when you try to convince anyone that life is the same despite COVID. It is not. There is literally not a person on LIF that has said that, EVERYONE (except you it would seem) has acknowledged how our lives have been upended in every way possible even if they are still "living life safely". Sure, you can still do a few things but you're doing them in fear of getting sick and there is NOTHING normal about staying away from people and wearing a mask.
"No, it's not a CHOICE, it's what we all HAVE to do to survive right now. Let's not pretend that life is anywhere near normal and you're just happily living life as if it were 2019. There is SO much we cannot do still or even do safely. Living life staying away from people and with a mask on is NOT NORMAL. MANY would agree with me that we're not living anymore, we're all in survival mode at best."
Sounds like you do many "normal" things. Yes you are wearing a mask doing some but you have made it sound like you go no where, see no one and don't do anything normal. Which one is it?
I don't have that fear of every time I go out, I am going to get sick. Just like I didn't before this. I live with an essential and another adult who hasn't stopped seeing people (in the beginning I was sooo not happy with that as yes, there was fear in the beginning but they get tested all the time, voluntary and involuntary).
There is no need to argue. I know people from people who won't wear a mask and people who barely leave their homes and fear everything the media is telling them. I am doing what I feel is best for me and my family and friends. I can't tell others what to do but it IS all a choice.
You are missing the point as you often do. Whether you, or I, or anyone makes a "choice" to do some "normal things", life is NOT normal. Nothing about this situation is normal. I fail to see what you cannot understand about this.
Restaurants and stores are at half capacity, countless weddings have been cancelled, holidays for most were spent alone, most sporting events have been off the table, Broadway and other theater events are shuttered, large gatherings are discouraged, people aren't socializing like we use to.............there are no big parties, BBQ's, big celebratory events, birthday parties, etc. We are required to live behind a mask and encouraged to stay AT LEAST 6 ft away from one another.
THIS IS NOT NORMAL. At all.
So while you can feel free to try and pretend we're living normally because we do a few things out in public under very ABNORMAL guidelines the rest of us will stay grounded over in reality.
THIS is why many are chomping at the bit to get the vaccine because even if it's slightly effective it's better than nothing and it will allow us to get back to actual, REAL normal.
I agree with you on this that yes, many things are not normal as you can't just get up and go to many things like you used to be able to.
There ARE choices though you can make to do things though. Many have continued to go out to eat and do as many activities as they can. Many won't even go food shopping and get everything delivered.
I am hoping as much as everyone else that a vaccine will help with this virus. I just think, as many others on this page have said, but did NOT get attacked, that this has not been out long enough to see if there are any ramifications to the vaccine that might be worse than getting the virus.
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Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.
You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.
" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"
"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"
There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.
and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?
It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.
And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.
Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.
For the love of God, step away from the right wing, conservative, propaganda sites. You are a sheep, EVERY one of your comments is verbatim propaganda nonsense. You've yet to share an original thought on the virus, the vaccine, politics, etc. etc. etc. You are so misinformed but argue like you know it all. You don't. Your comments demonstrate that.
Please do some research and stop listening to CNN.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.
You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.
" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"
"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"
There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.
and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?
It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.
And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.
Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.
Now who's running both sides of their mouth? On one hand you're discrediting scientists by saying they know jack sh*t about this vaccine, that it's dangerous, that only sheep take it, that the reason people have died from covid is really because of their love affair with big macs, and in the very next breath you're saying the vaccine should've been released even sooner (obviously with even less trials and testing if that were the case). Just pointing out your double talk.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Well..... this escalated quickly!
doesn't it always
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Posted by valentinesbaby48
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Posted by Naturalmama
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Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.
You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.
" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"
"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"
There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.
and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?
It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.
And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.
Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.
Now who's running both sides of their mouth? On one hand you're discrediting scientists by saying they know jack sh*t about this vaccine, that it's dangerous, that only sheep take it, that the reason people have died from covid is really because of their love affair with big macs, and in the very next breath you're saying the vaccine should've been released even sooner (obviously with even less trials and testing if that were the case). Just pointing out your double talk.
Never said less trials and testing.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.
You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.
" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"
"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"
There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.
and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?
It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.
And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.
Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.
Now who's running both sides of their mouth? On one hand you're discrediting scientists by saying they know jack sh*t about this vaccine, that it's dangerous, that only sheep take it, that the reason people have died from covid is really because of their love affair with big macs, and in the very next breath you're saying the vaccine should've been released even sooner (obviously with even less trials and testing if that were the case). Just pointing out your double talk.
Never said less trials and testing.
You didn't have to say it. It's an obvious implication.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.
You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.
" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"
"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"
There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.
and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?
It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.
And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.
Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.
For the love of God, step away from the right wing, conservative, propaganda sites. You are a sheep, EVERY one of your comments is verbatim propaganda nonsense. You've yet to share an original thought on the virus, the vaccine, politics, etc. etc. etc. You are so misinformed but argue like you know it all. You don't. Your comments demonstrate that.
Please do some research and stop listening to CNN.
Okay, skippy.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Valentinesbaby, your next name should just be "I never said that" because that's how all your posts start.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
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Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I think most everyone gets the hesitation and there is a part of me that is nervous too about the vaccine. That being said, I have weighed the risks against living my life like this and the fact is, I just cannot live my life like this anymore. For me, the vaccine is worth the risk.
I don't want to be socially distant anymore or wear a mask or watch my young children miss out on a normal childhood and school experience. I want to see my family and my friends, I want to go to parties and BBQ's, I want to vacation and I don't want to be afraid of every other human on the planet. I simply cannot keep living like this, it is absolutely horrible.
I don't feel like I am living my life anymore, I am just existing in a world that is scary, awful and depressing and I cannot do another year like this. That is why I will take my chances with a vaccine. Unfortunately, the more people that refuse to get the vaccine the longer this will drag out.
I hate to tell you but many of that is your own choice. Schooling, no and that is the worst part honestly right now for my kids.
Many of us have continued doing as much as we can, masked, socially distanced, etc.
I won't get the flu vaccine, knock on wood, think I have had the flu once in my entire life and the flu is still around. This will never go away and we will have to live with his just like every other virus we have lived with.
No, it's not a CHOICE, it's what we all HAVE to do to survive right now. Let's not pretend that life is anywhere near normal and you're just happily living life as if it were 2019. There is SO much we cannot do still or even do safely. Living life staying away from people and with a mask on is NOT NORMAL. MANY would agree with me that we're not living anymore, we're all in survival mode at best.
Also, nobody thinks the virus will magically go away, it will be something we live with forever most likely but part of living with it is utilizing medicine and vaccines to mitigate its effects on the individual and society as a whole.
I got the flu last winter for the first time in over 30+ years, I hadn't taken the vaccine, never got around to it. My daughter was sick with the flu at the same time but had the flu shot, she did a 180 within 2 days and felt all better. I was sick and miserable for DAYS! Point is, even if the COVID vaccine isn't 100% (like the flu vaccine) it will hopefully allow people to have a more mild case of COVID and heal more quickly instead of being sick for weeks, with long term health effects or worse, in a hospital and possibly dead.
As for your comment above, you make yourself look juvenile when you hijack a thread with childish comments just because you've been cornered and made to look foolish and can't add anything intelligent to the conversation. Stay on topic for once.
Yes, you DO have a choice to see family and go out to a restaurant or other places that are open. If you chose not to, you can not blame this as others are living life safely.
Funny as others have said the exact same thing as me but I don't see you attacking them.
I go shopping. I go out to eat once a week. My daughter goes to Irish Step. My DH goes to work. My kids are in school. BUT it's still not the same. Not by a long shot. No matter how safe you TRY to be it's still not safe out there and you really shouldn't be socializing especially with cases on the rise.
I am not going to argue this point with you because quite honestly, you sound foolish when you try to convince anyone that life is the same despite COVID. It is not. There is literally not a person on LIF that has said that, EVERYONE (except you it would seem) has acknowledged how our lives have been upended in every way possible even if they are still "living life safely". Sure, you can still do a few things but you're doing them in fear of getting sick and there is NOTHING normal about staying away from people and wearing a mask.
"No, it's not a CHOICE, it's what we all HAVE to do to survive right now. Let's not pretend that life is anywhere near normal and you're just happily living life as if it were 2019. There is SO much we cannot do still or even do safely. Living life staying away from people and with a mask on is NOT NORMAL. MANY would agree with me that we're not living anymore, we're all in survival mode at best."
Sounds like you do many "normal" things. Yes you are wearing a mask doing some but you have made it sound like you go no where, see no one and don't do anything normal. Which one is it?
I don't have that fear of every time I go out, I am going to get sick. Just like I didn't before this. I live with an essential and another adult who hasn't stopped seeing people (in the beginning I was sooo not happy with that as yes, there was fear in the beginning but they get tested all the time, voluntary and involuntary).
There is no need to argue. I know people from people who won't wear a mask and people who barely leave their homes and fear everything the media is telling them. I am doing what I feel is best for me and my family and friends. I can't tell others what to do but it IS all a choice.
You are missing the point as you often do. Whether you, or I, or anyone makes a "choice" to do some "normal things", life is NOT normal. Nothing about this situation is normal. I fail to see what you cannot understand about this.
Restaurants and stores are at half capacity, countless weddings have been cancelled, holidays for most were spent alone, most sporting events have been off the table, Broadway and other theater events are shuttered, large gatherings are discouraged, people aren't socializing like we use to.............there are no big parties, BBQ's, big celebratory events, birthday parties, etc. We are required to live behind a mask and encouraged to stay AT LEAST 6 ft away from one another.
THIS IS NOT NORMAL. At all.
So while you can feel free to try and pretend we're living normally because we do a few things out in public under very ABNORMAL guidelines the rest of us will stay grounded over in reality.
THIS is why many are chomping at the bit to get the vaccine because even if it's slightly effective it's better than nothing and it will allow us to get back to actual, REAL normal.
I agree with you on this that yes, many things are not normal as you can't just get up and go to many things like you used to be able to.
There ARE choices though you can make to do things though. Many have continued to go out to eat and do as many activities as they can. Many won't even go food shopping and get everything delivered.
I am hoping as much as everyone else that a vaccine will help with this virus. I just think, as many others on this page have said, but did NOT get attacked, that this has not been out long enough to see if there are any ramifications to the vaccine that might be worse than getting the virus.
You are still NOT understanding.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.
You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.
" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"
"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"
There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.
and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?
It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.
And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.
Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.
Now who's running both sides of their mouth? On one hand you're discrediting scientists by saying they know jack sh*t about this vaccine, that it's dangerous, that only sheep take it, that the reason people have died from covid is really because of their love affair with big macs, and in the very next breath you're saying the vaccine should've been released even sooner (obviously with even less trials and testing if that were the case). Just pointing out your double talk.
Never said less trials and testing.
You didn't have to say it. It's an obvious implication.
If you are ok with the vaccine because they have been testing with Sars for years, then you would have been ok for this to have had more testing and trials as soon as this came along.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by valentinesbaby48
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Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I think most everyone gets the hesitation and there is a part of me that is nervous too about the vaccine. That being said, I have weighed the risks against living my life like this and the fact is, I just cannot live my life like this anymore. For me, the vaccine is worth the risk.
I don't want to be socially distant anymore or wear a mask or watch my young children miss out on a normal childhood and school experience. I want to see my family and my friends, I want to go to parties and BBQ's, I want to vacation and I don't want to be afraid of every other human on the planet. I simply cannot keep living like this, it is absolutely horrible.
I don't feel like I am living my life anymore, I am just existing in a world that is scary, awful and depressing and I cannot do another year like this. That is why I will take my chances with a vaccine. Unfortunately, the more people that refuse to get the vaccine the longer this will drag out.
I hate to tell you but many of that is your own choice. Schooling, no and that is the worst part honestly right now for my kids.
Many of us have continued doing as much as we can, masked, socially distanced, etc.
I won't get the flu vaccine, knock on wood, think I have had the flu once in my entire life and the flu is still around. This will never go away and we will have to live with his just like every other virus we have lived with.
No, it's not a CHOICE, it's what we all HAVE to do to survive right now. Let's not pretend that life is anywhere near normal and you're just happily living life as if it were 2019. There is SO much we cannot do still or even do safely. Living life staying away from people and with a mask on is NOT NORMAL. MANY would agree with me that we're not living anymore, we're all in survival mode at best.
Also, nobody thinks the virus will magically go away, it will be something we live with forever most likely but part of living with it is utilizing medicine and vaccines to mitigate its effects on the individual and society as a whole.
I got the flu last winter for the first time in over 30+ years, I hadn't taken the vaccine, never got around to it. My daughter was sick with the flu at the same time but had the flu shot, she did a 180 within 2 days and felt all better. I was sick and miserable for DAYS! Point is, even if the COVID vaccine isn't 100% (like the flu vaccine) it will hopefully allow people to have a more mild case of COVID and heal more quickly instead of being sick for weeks, with long term health effects or worse, in a hospital and possibly dead.
As for your comment above, you make yourself look juvenile when you hijack a thread with childish comments just because you've been cornered and made to look foolish and can't add anything intelligent to the conversation. Stay on topic for once.
Yes, you DO have a choice to see family and go out to a restaurant or other places that are open. If you chose not to, you can not blame this as others are living life safely.
Funny as others have said the exact same thing as me but I don't see you attacking them.
I go shopping. I go out to eat once a week. My daughter goes to Irish Step. My DH goes to work. My kids are in school. BUT it's still not the same. Not by a long shot. No matter how safe you TRY to be it's still not safe out there and you really shouldn't be socializing especially with cases on the rise.
I am not going to argue this point with you because quite honestly, you sound foolish when you try to convince anyone that life is the same despite COVID. It is not. There is literally not a person on LIF that has said that, EVERYONE (except you it would seem) has acknowledged how our lives have been upended in every way possible even if they are still "living life safely". Sure, you can still do a few things but you're doing them in fear of getting sick and there is NOTHING normal about staying away from people and wearing a mask.
"No, it's not a CHOICE, it's what we all HAVE to do to survive right now. Let's not pretend that life is anywhere near normal and you're just happily living life as if it were 2019. There is SO much we cannot do still or even do safely. Living life staying away from people and with a mask on is NOT NORMAL. MANY would agree with me that we're not living anymore, we're all in survival mode at best."
Sounds like you do many "normal" things. Yes you are wearing a mask doing some but you have made it sound like you go no where, see no one and don't do anything normal. Which one is it?
I don't have that fear of every time I go out, I am going to get sick. Just like I didn't before this. I live with an essential and another adult who hasn't stopped seeing people (in the beginning I was sooo not happy with that as yes, there was fear in the beginning but they get tested all the time, voluntary and involuntary).
There is no need to argue. I know people from people who won't wear a mask and people who barely leave their homes and fear everything the media is telling them. I am doing what I feel is best for me and my family and friends. I can't tell others what to do but it IS all a choice.
You are missing the point as you often do. Whether you, or I, or anyone makes a "choice" to do some "normal things", life is NOT normal. Nothing about this situation is normal. I fail to see what you cannot understand about this.
Restaurants and stores are at half capacity, countless weddings have been cancelled, holidays for most were spent alone, most sporting events have been off the table, Broadway and other theater events are shuttered, large gatherings are discouraged, people aren't socializing like we use to.............there are no big parties, BBQ's, big celebratory events, birthday parties, etc. We are required to live behind a mask and encouraged to stay AT LEAST 6 ft away from one another.
THIS IS NOT NORMAL. At all.
So while you can feel free to try and pretend we're living normally because we do a few things out in public under very ABNORMAL guidelines the rest of us will stay grounded over in reality.
THIS is why many are chomping at the bit to get the vaccine because even if it's slightly effective it's better than nothing and it will allow us to get back to actual, REAL normal.
I agree with you on this that yes, many things are not normal as you can't just get up and go to many things like you used to be able to.
There ARE choices though you can make to do things though. Many have continued to go out to eat and do as many activities as they can. Many won't even go food shopping and get everything delivered.
I am hoping as much as everyone else that a vaccine will help with this virus. I just think, as many others on this page have said, but did NOT get attacked, that this has not been out long enough to see if there are any ramifications to the vaccine that might be worse than getting the virus.
You are still NOT understanding.
Hygge, Hygge.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
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Posted by valentinesbaby48
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Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I think most everyone gets the hesitation and there is a part of me that is nervous too about the vaccine. That being said, I have weighed the risks against living my life like this and the fact is, I just cannot live my life like this anymore. For me, the vaccine is worth the risk.
I don't want to be socially distant anymore or wear a mask or watch my young children miss out on a normal childhood and school experience. I want to see my family and my friends, I want to go to parties and BBQ's, I want to vacation and I don't want to be afraid of every other human on the planet. I simply cannot keep living like this, it is absolutely horrible.
I don't feel like I am living my life anymore, I am just existing in a world that is scary, awful and depressing and I cannot do another year like this. That is why I will take my chances with a vaccine. Unfortunately, the more people that refuse to get the vaccine the longer this will drag out.
I hate to tell you but many of that is your own choice. Schooling, no and that is the worst part honestly right now for my kids.
Many of us have continued doing as much as we can, masked, socially distanced, etc.
I won't get the flu vaccine, knock on wood, think I have had the flu once in my entire life and the flu is still around. This will never go away and we will have to live with his just like every other virus we have lived with.
No, it's not a CHOICE, it's what we all HAVE to do to survive right now. Let's not pretend that life is anywhere near normal and you're just happily living life as if it were 2019. There is SO much we cannot do still or even do safely. Living life staying away from people and with a mask on is NOT NORMAL. MANY would agree with me that we're not living anymore, we're all in survival mode at best.
Also, nobody thinks the virus will magically go away, it will be something we live with forever most likely but part of living with it is utilizing medicine and vaccines to mitigate its effects on the individual and society as a whole.
I got the flu last winter for the first time in over 30+ years, I hadn't taken the vaccine, never got around to it. My daughter was sick with the flu at the same time but had the flu shot, she did a 180 within 2 days and felt all better. I was sick and miserable for DAYS! Point is, even if the COVID vaccine isn't 100% (like the flu vaccine) it will hopefully allow people to have a more mild case of COVID and heal more quickly instead of being sick for weeks, with long term health effects or worse, in a hospital and possibly dead.
As for your comment above, you make yourself look juvenile when you hijack a thread with childish comments just because you've been cornered and made to look foolish and can't add anything intelligent to the conversation. Stay on topic for once.
Yes, you DO have a choice to see family and go out to a restaurant or other places that are open. If you chose not to, you can not blame this as others are living life safely.
Funny as others have said the exact same thing as me but I don't see you attacking them.
I go shopping. I go out to eat once a week. My daughter goes to Irish Step. My DH goes to work. My kids are in school. BUT it's still not the same. Not by a long shot. No matter how safe you TRY to be it's still not safe out there and you really shouldn't be socializing especially with cases on the rise.
I am not going to argue this point with you because quite honestly, you sound foolish when you try to convince anyone that life is the same despite COVID. It is not. There is literally not a person on LIF that has said that, EVERYONE (except you it would seem) has acknowledged how our lives have been upended in every way possible even if they are still "living life safely". Sure, you can still do a few things but you're doing them in fear of getting sick and there is NOTHING normal about staying away from people and wearing a mask.
"No, it's not a CHOICE, it's what we all HAVE to do to survive right now. Let's not pretend that life is anywhere near normal and you're just happily living life as if it were 2019. There is SO much we cannot do still or even do safely. Living life staying away from people and with a mask on is NOT NORMAL. MANY would agree with me that we're not living anymore, we're all in survival mode at best."
Sounds like you do many "normal" things. Yes you are wearing a mask doing some but you have made it sound like you go no where, see no one and don't do anything normal. Which one is it?
I don't have that fear of every time I go out, I am going to get sick. Just like I didn't before this. I live with an essential and another adult who hasn't stopped seeing people (in the beginning I was sooo not happy with that as yes, there was fear in the beginning but they get tested all the time, voluntary and involuntary).
There is no need to argue. I know people from people who won't wear a mask and people who barely leave their homes and fear everything the media is telling them. I am doing what I feel is best for me and my family and friends. I can't tell others what to do but it IS all a choice.
You are missing the point as you often do. Whether you, or I, or anyone makes a "choice" to do some "normal things", life is NOT normal. Nothing about this situation is normal. I fail to see what you cannot understand about this.
Restaurants and stores are at half capacity, countless weddings have been cancelled, holidays for most were spent alone, most sporting events have been off the table, Broadway and other theater events are shuttered, large gatherings are discouraged, people aren't socializing like we use to.............there are no big parties, BBQ's, big celebratory events, birthday parties, etc. We are required to live behind a mask and encouraged to stay AT LEAST 6 ft away from one another.
THIS IS NOT NORMAL. At all.
So while you can feel free to try and pretend we're living normally because we do a few things out in public under very ABNORMAL guidelines the rest of us will stay grounded over in reality.
THIS is why many are chomping at the bit to get the vaccine because even if it's slightly effective it's better than nothing and it will allow us to get back to actual, REAL normal.
I agree with you on this that yes, many things are not normal as you can't just get up and go to many things like you used to be able to.
There ARE choices though you can make to do things though. Many have continued to go out to eat and do as many activities as they can. Many won't even go food shopping and get everything delivered.
I am hoping as much as everyone else that a vaccine will help with this virus. I just think, as many others on this page have said, but did NOT get attacked, that this has not been out long enough to see if there are any ramifications to the vaccine that might be worse than getting the virus.
You are still NOT understanding.
Hygge, Hygge.
Grow up. Grow up. Get a clue. Get a clue.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
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Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I think most everyone gets the hesitation and there is a part of me that is nervous too about the vaccine. That being said, I have weighed the risks against living my life like this and the fact is, I just cannot live my life like this anymore. For me, the vaccine is worth the risk.
I don't want to be socially distant anymore or wear a mask or watch my young children miss out on a normal childhood and school experience. I want to see my family and my friends, I want to go to parties and BBQ's, I want to vacation and I don't want to be afraid of every other human on the planet. I simply cannot keep living like this, it is absolutely horrible.
I don't feel like I am living my life anymore, I am just existing in a world that is scary, awful and depressing and I cannot do another year like this. That is why I will take my chances with a vaccine. Unfortunately, the more people that refuse to get the vaccine the longer this will drag out.
I hate to tell you but many of that is your own choice. Schooling, no and that is the worst part honestly right now for my kids.
Many of us have continued doing as much as we can, masked, socially distanced, etc.
I won't get the flu vaccine, knock on wood, think I have had the flu once in my entire life and the flu is still around. This will never go away and we will have to live with his just like every other virus we have lived with.
No, it's not a CHOICE, it's what we all HAVE to do to survive right now. Let's not pretend that life is anywhere near normal and you're just happily living life as if it were 2019. There is SO much we cannot do still or even do safely. Living life staying away from people and with a mask on is NOT NORMAL. MANY would agree with me that we're not living anymore, we're all in survival mode at best.
Also, nobody thinks the virus will magically go away, it will be something we live with forever most likely but part of living with it is utilizing medicine and vaccines to mitigate its effects on the individual and society as a whole.
I got the flu last winter for the first time in over 30+ years, I hadn't taken the vaccine, never got around to it. My daughter was sick with the flu at the same time but had the flu shot, she did a 180 within 2 days and felt all better. I was sick and miserable for DAYS! Point is, even if the COVID vaccine isn't 100% (like the flu vaccine) it will hopefully allow people to have a more mild case of COVID and heal more quickly instead of being sick for weeks, with long term health effects or worse, in a hospital and possibly dead.
As for your comment above, you make yourself look juvenile when you hijack a thread with childish comments just because you've been cornered and made to look foolish and can't add anything intelligent to the conversation. Stay on topic for once.
Yes, you DO have a choice to see family and go out to a restaurant or other places that are open. If you chose not to, you can not blame this as others are living life safely.
Funny as others have said the exact same thing as me but I don't see you attacking them.
I go shopping. I go out to eat once a week. My daughter goes to Irish Step. My DH goes to work. My kids are in school. BUT it's still not the same. Not by a long shot. No matter how safe you TRY to be it's still not safe out there and you really shouldn't be socializing especially with cases on the rise.
I am not going to argue this point with you because quite honestly, you sound foolish when you try to convince anyone that life is the same despite COVID. It is not. There is literally not a person on LIF that has said that, EVERYONE (except you it would seem) has acknowledged how our lives have been upended in every way possible even if they are still "living life safely". Sure, you can still do a few things but you're doing them in fear of getting sick and there is NOTHING normal about staying away from people and wearing a mask.
"No, it's not a CHOICE, it's what we all HAVE to do to survive right now. Let's not pretend that life is anywhere near normal and you're just happily living life as if it were 2019. There is SO much we cannot do still or even do safely. Living life staying away from people and with a mask on is NOT NORMAL. MANY would agree with me that we're not living anymore, we're all in survival mode at best."
Sounds like you do many "normal" things. Yes you are wearing a mask doing some but you have made it sound like you go no where, see no one and don't do anything normal. Which one is it?
I don't have that fear of every time I go out, I am going to get sick. Just like I didn't before this. I live with an essential and another adult who hasn't stopped seeing people (in the beginning I was sooo not happy with that as yes, there was fear in the beginning but they get tested all the time, voluntary and involuntary).
There is no need to argue. I know people from people who won't wear a mask and people who barely leave their homes and fear everything the media is telling them. I am doing what I feel is best for me and my family and friends. I can't tell others what to do but it IS all a choice.
You are missing the point as you often do. Whether you, or I, or anyone makes a "choice" to do some "normal things", life is NOT normal. Nothing about this situation is normal. I fail to see what you cannot understand about this.
Restaurants and stores are at half capacity, countless weddings have been cancelled, holidays for most were spent alone, most sporting events have been off the table, Broadway and other theater events are shuttered, large gatherings are discouraged, people aren't socializing like we use to.............there are no big parties, BBQ's, big celebratory events, birthday parties, etc. We are required to live behind a mask and encouraged to stay AT LEAST 6 ft away from one another.
THIS IS NOT NORMAL. At all.
So while you can feel free to try and pretend we're living normally because we do a few things out in public under very ABNORMAL guidelines the rest of us will stay grounded over in reality.
THIS is why many are chomping at the bit to get the vaccine because even if it's slightly effective it's better than nothing and it will allow us to get back to actual, REAL normal.
I agree with you on this that yes, many things are not normal as you can't just get up and go to many things like you used to be able to.
There ARE choices though you can make to do things though. Many have continued to go out to eat and do as many activities as they can. Many won't even go food shopping and get everything delivered.
I am hoping as much as everyone else that a vaccine will help with this virus. I just think, as many others on this page have said, but did NOT get attacked, that this has not been out long enough to see if there are any ramifications to the vaccine that might be worse than getting the virus.
You are still NOT understanding.
Hygge, Hygge.
Grow up. Grow up. Get a clue. Get a clue.
Happy New Year 
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.
You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.
" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"
"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"
There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.
and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?
It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.
And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.
Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.
Now who's running both sides of their mouth? On one hand you're discrediting scientists by saying they know jack sh*t about this vaccine, that it's dangerous, that only sheep take it, that the reason people have died from covid is really because of their love affair with big macs, and in the very next breath you're saying the vaccine should've been released even sooner (obviously with even less trials and testing if that were the case). Just pointing out your double talk.
Never said less trials and testing.
You didn't have to say it. It's an obvious implication.
If you are ok with the vaccine because they have been testing with Sars for years, then you would have been ok for this to have had more testing and trials as soon as this came along.
Just what? Ok. *insert Jim Halpert face here*
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| Posted 12/30/20 6:45 PM |
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by valentinesbaby48
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Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.
You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.
" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"
"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"
There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.
and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?
It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.
And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.
Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.
Now who's running both sides of their mouth? On one hand you're discrediting scientists by saying they know jack sh*t about this vaccine, that it's dangerous, that only sheep take it, that the reason people have died from covid is really because of their love affair with big macs, and in the very next breath you're saying the vaccine should've been released even sooner (obviously with even less trials and testing if that were the case). Just pointing out your double talk.
Never said less trials and testing.
You didn't have to say it. It's an obvious implication.
If you are ok with the vaccine because they have been testing with Sars for years, then you would have been ok for this to have had more testing and trials as soon as this came along.
Just what? Ok. *insert Jim Halpert face here*
She won't reply to you, for some creepy reason she is only obsessed with me and everything I post or say. She is a weirdo. lol
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| Posted 12/30/20 7:38 PM |
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by MC09
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.
You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.
" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"
"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"
There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.
and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?
It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.
And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.
Funny how if they knew all this years ago, we couldn't have had it out sooner. Seems they knew about this vaccine in January. If it works, it could have helped many people not have to pass away from the virus.
Now who's running both sides of their mouth? On one hand you're discrediting scientists by saying they know jack sh*t about this vaccine, that it's dangerous, that only sheep take it, that the reason people have died from covid is really because of their love affair with big macs, and in the very next breath you're saying the vaccine should've been released even sooner (obviously with even less trials and testing if that were the case). Just pointing out your double talk.
Never said less trials and testing.
You didn't have to say it. It's an obvious implication.
If you are ok with the vaccine because they have been testing with Sars for years, then you would have been ok for this to have had more testing and trials as soon as this came along.
Just what? Ok. *insert Jim Halpert face here*
She won't reply to you, for some creepy reason she is only obsessed with me and everything I post or say. She is a weirdo. lol
I have replied to others in this thread. Maybe you missed it because you were so ready to attack me. How about attacking other people who have said the same thing I have about the vaccine? Why not answer that as I have asked you that a few times?
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