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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by soontobemommyof2
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Natural herd immunity would result in excessive deaths and a complete collapse of the healthcare system. No other virus in our lifetime has caused almost 400,000 deaths in one country in 10 months. No other virus has caused overburdened hospitals from having to ration care. In California and in the UK people are dying in hallways and in ambulances. Do people really believe all these people died because they liked to eat McDonald's?
Yes, people who have not taken care of themselves is a huge majority. Obese, diabetics have more of a chance of getting it and being more sick. People who have other underlying conditions. Smokers.
Not all people who suffer from obesity and diabetes did it to themselves. That's an ignorant thing to say. My uncle has a heart condition. My dad is type 1 diabetic. My friends 3 year old is a type 1 diabetic. Are these people disposable? Even people who don't eat healthy or who smoke...that doesn't make them deserving of death. Natural herd immunity would still cause unbelievable suffering. But, to each his own. Nobody's mind is being changed here.
Who’s saying that anybody deserves to die??? Seriously??? And don’t u think that all the side effects, adverse reactions, and I’m not even gonna mention the long term effects of this vaccine that are still unknown can bring unbelievable suffering as well?? The conditioning into thinking that a vaccine is gonna heroically save the day and it’s the only way to stop any virus is mind blowing. Sure, it’d be perfect if this vaccine didn’t come with a negative side and its pharmaceutical company held liability. I personally would be the first one in line. But that’s not the reality. There’s a lot of known unknowns with this vaccine that people are just not willing to take a chance with.
All vaccines have side effects and a negative side. Nobody is debating that. This vaccine is not perfect and I believe I have said on numerous occasions that a vaccine is not a quick fix. But the only other option is live like this forever. Also not viable. So, what do you suggest? Natural herd immunity is not an option. So if somebody out there has a plan that doesn't involve vaccines and doesn't involve long term lockdowns, I would be all for it. Believe me I would prefer not to have a vaccine but I don't see any other way out of this. The Spanish flu died out naturally but this is just getting worse, with mutant variants that are more transmissible. We can't assume this pandemic will end the same exact way as the last one.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by soontobemommyof2
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Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Natural herd immunity would result in excessive deaths and a complete collapse of the healthcare system. No other virus in our lifetime has caused almost 400,000 deaths in one country in 10 months. No other virus has caused overburdened hospitals from having to ration care. In California and in the UK people are dying in hallways and in ambulances. Do people really believe all these people died because they liked to eat McDonald's?
Yes, people who have not taken care of themselves is a huge majority. Obese, diabetics have more of a chance of getting it and being more sick. People who have other underlying conditions. Smokers.
Not all people who suffer from obesity and diabetes did it to themselves. That's an ignorant thing to say. My uncle has a heart condition. My dad is type 1 diabetic. My friends 3 year old is a type 1 diabetic. Are these people disposable? Even people who don't eat healthy or who smoke...that doesn't make them deserving of death. Natural herd immunity would still cause unbelievable suffering. But, to each his own. Nobody's mind is being changed here.
Who’s saying that anybody deserves to die??? Seriously??? And don’t u think that all the side effects, adverse reactions, and I’m not even gonna mention the long term effects of this vaccine that are still unknown can bring unbelievable suffering as well?? The conditioning into thinking that a vaccine is gonna heroically save the day and it’s the only way to stop any virus is mind blowing. Sure, it’d be perfect if this vaccine didn’t come with a negative side and its pharmaceutical company held liability. I personally would be the first one in line. But that’s not the reality. There’s a lot of known unknowns with this vaccine that people are just not willing to take a chance with.
All vaccines have side effects and a negative side. Nobody is debating that. This vaccine is not perfect and I believe I have said on numerous occasions that a vaccine is not a quick fix. But the only other option is live like this forever. Also not viable. So, what do you suggest? Natural herd immunity is not an option. So if somebody out there has a plan that doesn't involve vaccines and doesn't involve long term lockdowns, I would be all for it. Believe me I would prefer not to have a vaccine but I don't see any other way out of this. The Spanish flu died out naturally but this is just getting worse, with mutant variants that are more transmissible. We can't assume this pandemic will end the same exact way as the last one.
There’s a thought that the Spanish flu did mutate and became more deadly in the fall that year. They couldn’t see viruses under a microscope in that time so there was no way to confirm it. They say some form of the Spanish flu is still with us today. In my opinion it seems like history is repeating itself. Hopefully because of modern medicine we can avoid more deaths. Although we are getting pretty close.
I’m healthy and not in the older risk groups, but I am eagerly waiting for my turn with the vaccine! I want to change history and end this sooner!
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Well that escalated quickly
Most of those I know who are eligible are taking the vaccine. And they come from a varying background of professions and beliefs. DH is getting it next week.
I am towards the bottom of the list but plan on taking it. I feel it will be needed to travel and attend concerts. I’m not sure if it’s safe but I worked 2 blocks from Ground Zero for most of my career so I feel that is what poses a greater risk to my health (I’ve developed Asthma and GERD as a result so far).
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by ali120206
Most of those I know who are eligible are taking the vaccine. And they come from a varying background of professions and beliefs. DH is getting it next week.
I am towards the bottom of the list but plan on taking it. I feel it will be needed to travel and attend concerts. I’m not sure if it’s safe but I worked 2 blocks from Ground Zero for most of my career so I feel that is what poses a greater risk to my health (I’ve developed Asthma and GERD as a result so far).
So you expect to have to show proof of COVID vaccine to attend a concert or just in order for yourself to feel safe?
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by ali120206
Most of those I know who are eligible are taking the vaccine. And they come from a varying background of professions and beliefs. DH is getting it next week.
I am towards the bottom of the list but plan on taking it. I feel it will be needed to travel and attend concerts. I’m not sure if it’s safe but I worked 2 blocks from Ground Zero for most of my career so I feel that is what poses a greater risk to my health (I’ve developed Asthma and GERD as a result so far).
So you expect to have to show proof of COVID vaccine to attend a concert or just in order for yourself to feel safe?
Many are saying that you will need to show proof of vaccination and they are developing some sort of electronic passport to show proof of vaccination when traveling.
They are allowing 7k people to attend the Buffalo Bills game this weekend. They will all be tested before entering and they are saying this is the way to start bringing large events back. I can’t see there being a way to test a full audience though before entrance easily...
Ticketmaster has stated in their reopening plans that you have to provide proof of vaccination within a year or a negative test 24-72 hours before the event.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by ali120206
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by ali120206
Most of those I know who are eligible are taking the vaccine. And they come from a varying background of professions and beliefs. DH is getting it next week.
I am towards the bottom of the list but plan on taking it. I feel it will be needed to travel and attend concerts. I’m not sure if it’s safe but I worked 2 blocks from Ground Zero for most of my career so I feel that is what poses a greater risk to my health (I’ve developed Asthma and GERD as a result so far).
So you expect to have to show proof of COVID vaccine to attend a concert or just in order for yourself to feel safe?
Many are saying that you will need to show proof of vaccination and they are developing some sort of electronic passport to show proof of vaccination when traveling.
They are allowing 7k people to attend the Buffalo Bills game this weekend. They will all be tested before entering and they are saying this is the way to start bringing large events back. I can’t see there being a way to test a full audience though before entrance easily...
Ticketmaster has stated in their reopening plans that you have to provide proof of vaccination within a year or a
negative test 24-72 hours before the event.
So the COVID vaccination is going to be an annual thing? What happens in 2022. Are we going to be able to keep up with demand of the vaccine?
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ali120206
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by ali120206
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by ali120206
Most of those I know who are eligible are taking the vaccine. And they come from a varying background of professions and beliefs. DH is getting it next week.
I am towards the bottom of the list but plan on taking it. I feel it will be needed to travel and attend concerts. I’m not sure if it’s safe but I worked 2 blocks from Ground Zero for most of my career so I feel that is what poses a greater risk to my health (I’ve developed Asthma and GERD as a result so far).
So you expect to have to show proof of COVID vaccine to attend a concert or just in order for yourself to feel safe?
Many are saying that you will need to show proof of vaccination and they are developing some sort of electronic passport to show proof of vaccination when traveling.
They are allowing 7k people to attend the Buffalo Bills game this weekend. They will all be tested before entering and they are saying this is the way to start bringing large events back. I can’t see there being a way to test a full audience though before entrance easily...
Ticketmaster has stated in their reopening plans that you have to provide proof of vaccination within a year or a
negative test 24-72 hours before the event.
So the COVID vaccination is going to be an annual thing? What happens in 2022. Are we going to be able to keep up with demand of the vaccine?
They aren’t sure how long it will last for but it wont be a one time thing.
I think moving forward there will be more vaccine options. AstraZeneca had one approved today in the UK so more companies will be offering them.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by ali120206
Most of those I know who are eligible are taking the vaccine. And they come from a varying background of professions and beliefs. DH is getting it next week.
I am towards the bottom of the list but plan on taking it. I feel it will be needed to travel and attend concerts. I’m not sure if it’s safe but I worked 2 blocks from Ground Zero for most of my career so I feel that is what poses a greater risk to my health (I’ve developed Asthma and GERD as a result so far).
So you expect to have to show proof of COVID vaccine to attend a concert or just in order for yourself to feel safe?
Another thing I won’t go to then as I won’t take the vaccine until ready. Not for a vacation or a concert.
People need to stop and think about what is going on and stop following the crowd.
It’s like when people have to tell you they see friends and family BUT they wore masks and socially distanced.
Just stop and live your life without telling everyone your entire move so people won’t judge you.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by ali120206
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by ali120206
Most of those I know who are eligible are taking the vaccine. And they come from a varying background of professions and beliefs. DH is getting it next week.
I am towards the bottom of the list but plan on taking it. I feel it will be needed to travel and attend concerts. I’m not sure if it’s safe but I worked 2 blocks from Ground Zero for most of my career so I feel that is what poses a greater risk to my health (I’ve developed Asthma and GERD as a result so far).
So you expect to have to show proof of COVID vaccine to attend a concert or just in order for yourself to feel safe?
Many are saying that you will need to show proof of vaccination and they are developing some sort of electronic passport to show proof of vaccination when traveling.
They are allowing 7k people to attend the Buffalo Bills game this weekend. They will all be tested before entering and they are saying this is the way to start bringing large events back. I can’t see there being a way to test a full audience though before entrance easily...
Ticketmaster has stated in their reopening plans that you have to provide proof of vaccination within a year or a negative test 24-72 hours before the event.
Other stadiums let people in without tests. I agree with this to start doing things but do not agree with having to get a vaccine.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by ali120206
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by ali120206
Most of those I know who are eligible are taking the vaccine. And they come from a varying background of professions and beliefs. DH is getting it next week.
I am towards the bottom of the list but plan on taking it. I feel it will be needed to travel and attend concerts. I’m not sure if it’s safe but I worked 2 blocks from Ground Zero for most of my career so I feel that is what poses a greater risk to my health (I’ve developed Asthma and GERD as a result so far).
So you expect to have to show proof of COVID vaccine to attend a concert or just in order for yourself to feel safe?
Many are saying that you will need to show proof of vaccination and they are developing some sort of electronic passport to show proof of vaccination when traveling.
They are allowing 7k people to attend the Buffalo Bills game this weekend. They will all be tested before entering and they are saying this is the way to start bringing large events back. I can’t see there being a way to test a full audience though before entrance easily...
Ticketmaster has stated in their reopening plans that you have to provide proof of vaccination within a year or a
negative test 24-72 hours before the event.
So the COVID vaccination is going to be an annual thing? What happens in 2022. Are we going to be able to keep up with demand of the vaccine?
Yep and who is paying for all of this?
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by ali120206
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by ali120206
Most of those I know who are eligible are taking the vaccine. And they come from a varying background of professions and beliefs. DH is getting it next week.
I am towards the bottom of the list but plan on taking it. I feel it will be needed to travel and attend concerts. I’m not sure if it’s safe but I worked 2 blocks from Ground Zero for most of my career so I feel that is what poses a greater risk to my health (I’ve developed Asthma and GERD as a result so far).
So you expect to have to show proof of COVID vaccine to attend a concert or just in order for yourself to feel safe?
Many are saying that you will need to show proof of vaccination and they are developing some sort of electronic passport to show proof of vaccination when traveling.
They are allowing 7k people to attend the Buffalo Bills game this weekend. They will all be tested before entering and they are saying this is the way to start bringing large events back. I can’t see there being a way to test a full audience though before entrance easily...
Ticketmaster has stated in their reopening plans that you have to provide proof of vaccination within a year or a
negative test 24-72 hours before the event.
So the COVID vaccination is going to be an annual thing? What happens in 2022. Are we going to be able to keep up with demand of the vaccine?
Yep and who is paying for all of this?
The government - you know, because they have a ton of money 
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by ali120206
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by ali120206
Posted by RainyDay
Posted by ali120206
Most of those I know who are eligible are taking the vaccine. And they come from a varying background of professions and beliefs. DH is getting it next week.
I am towards the bottom of the list but plan on taking it. I feel it will be needed to travel and attend concerts. I’m not sure if it’s safe but I worked 2 blocks from Ground Zero for most of my career so I feel that is what poses a greater risk to my health (I’ve developed Asthma and GERD as a result so far).
So you expect to have to show proof of COVID vaccine to attend a concert or just in order for yourself to feel safe?
Many are saying that you will need to show proof of vaccination and they are developing some sort of electronic passport to show proof of vaccination when traveling.
They are allowing 7k people to attend the Buffalo Bills game this weekend. They will all be tested before entering and they are saying this is the way to start bringing large events back. I can’t see there being a way to test a full audience though before entrance easily...
Ticketmaster has stated in their reopening plans that you have to provide proof of vaccination within a year or a
negative test 24-72 hours before the event.
So the COVID vaccination is going to be an annual thing? What happens in 2022. Are we going to be able to keep up with demand of the vaccine?
Yep and who is paying for all of this?
The government - you know, because they have a ton of money
All these people going for “free” tests and vaccines will be the first to complain when their copays go up.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses? 
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
I just saw a headline on this that made it seem that the vaccine was faulty but I had read an article earlier and saw the details.
Even if it had been two weeks after she had gotten the first dose - that is only 50% efficacy and only 95% after 2 (which I shouldn’t say only, that’s a very effective vaccine) but you still can get it.
It kills me how different headlines on numerous topics seem to distort the truth - as most people don’t read more than headlines these days.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by ali120206
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
I just saw a headline on this that made it seem that the vaccine was faulty but I had read an article earlier and saw the details.
Even if it had been two weeks after she had gotten the first dose - that is only 50% efficacy and only 95% after 2 (which I shouldn’t say only, that’s a very effective vaccine) but you still can get it.
It kills me how different headlines on numerous topics seem to distort the truth - as most people don’t read more than headlines these days.
Yes it is kind of like a vasectomy. I know a few who had oops babies after having a vasectomy. They either didn’t use protection in the 4 months before being cleared or never went back for clearing.
No one knows how effective this vaccine even is if you can still get Covid after getting it.
Oh and the omit facts was to the OP about other things lol.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by ali120206
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
I just saw a headline on this that made it seem that the vaccine was faulty but I had read an article earlier and saw the details.
Even if it had been two weeks after she had gotten the first dose - that is only 50% efficacy and only 95% after 2 (which I shouldn’t say only, that’s a very effective vaccine) but you still can get it.
It kills me how different headlines on numerous topics seem to distort the truth - as most people don’t read more than headlines these days.
Yes it is kind of like a vasectomy. I know a few who had oops babies after having a vasectomy. They either didn’t use protection in the 4 months before being cleared or never went back for clearing.
No one knows how effective this vaccine even is if you can still get Covid after getting it.
Oh and the omit facts was to the OP about other things lol.
Are you actually comparing a vaccines efficacy to a vasectomy???? Yea, that's the same thing. 
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by ali120206
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
I just saw a headline on this that made it seem that the vaccine was faulty but I had read an article earlier and saw the details.
Even if it had been two weeks after she had gotten the first dose - that is only 50% efficacy and only 95% after 2 (which I shouldn’t say only, that’s a very effective vaccine) but you still can get it.
It kills me how different headlines on numerous topics seem to distort the truth - as most people don’t read more than headlines these days.
Yes it is kind of like a vasectomy. I know a few who had oops babies after having a vasectomy. They either didn’t use protection in the 4 months before being cleared or never went back for clearing.
No one knows how effective this vaccine even is if you can still get Covid after getting it.
Oh and the omit facts was to the OP about other things lol.
Are you actually comparing a vaccines efficacy to a vasectomy???? Yea, that's the same thing.
I am comparing how something can not work if the allotted time is not taken.
This nurse could have had covid BEFORE the vaccine or got it after getting it because you need to get 2 vaccines, not just one.
No one even knows if you can still get Covid even with the vaccine, like the flu vaccine. Testing and trials have not been around long enough to know this.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
They have said from the get go that the vaccine needs to be given in two doses and wouldn't be fully effective until both doses are given AND even then it would take some time after. This is why people like Fauci have said time and time again that everything won't magically go back to normal right after getting the vaccine, he's made the point to say that masks and social distancing will be in play for some time even after the majority of us have been vaccinated. Nobody is omitting facts, people are just looking for an excuse to not get on board and do the right thing so we can all get our lives back at some point.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
They have said from the get go that the vaccine needs to be given in two doses and wouldn't be fully effective until both doses are given AND even then it would take some time after. This is why people like Fauci have said time and time again that everything won't magically go back to normal right after getting the vaccine, he's made the point to say that masks and social distancing will be in play for some time even after the majority of us have been vaccinated. Nobody is omitting facts, people are just looking for an excuse to not get on board and do the right thing so we can all get our lives back at some point.
Thank you. If we want to talk about facts, the flu shot actually saves thousands of lives per year. It is not 100% effective, or even 75% effective, but it is effective enough to have an impact. This vaccine will have an impact- say the scientists and the doctors. The fact is it may not prevent asymptomatic infection, which is why for now we still need masks and social distancing. Once a majority of the population is vaccinated, spreading asymptomatic disease will not result in an increase of hospitalizations and death.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
They have said from the get go that the vaccine needs to be given in two doses and wouldn't be fully effective until both doses are given AND even then it would take some time after. This is why people like Fauci have said time and time again that everything won't magically go back to normal right after getting the vaccine, he's made the point to say that masks and social distancing will be in play for some time even after the majority of us have been vaccinated. Nobody is omitting facts, people are just looking for an excuse to not get on board and do the right thing so we can all get our lives back at some point.
Fauci changes his mind constantly and really doesn't know anything either.
This is all a guessing game and we are lucky that they understand it a little more now to help patients, especially in hospitals.
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| Posted 12/30/20 2:24 PM |
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
They have said from the get go that the vaccine needs to be given in two doses and wouldn't be fully effective until both doses are given AND even then it would take some time after. This is why people like Fauci have said time and time again that everything won't magically go back to normal right after getting the vaccine, he's made the point to say that masks and social distancing will be in play for some time even after the majority of us have been vaccinated. Nobody is omitting facts, people are just looking for an excuse to not get on board and do the right thing so we can all get our lives back at some point.
Thank you. If we want to talk about facts, the flu shot actually saves thousands of lives per year. It is not 100% effective, or even 75% effective, but it is effective enough to have an impact. This vaccine will have an impact- say the scientists and the doctors. The fact is it may not prevent asymptomatic infection, which is why for now we still need masks and social distancing. Once a majority of the population is vaccinated, spreading asymptomatic disease will not result in an increase of hospitalizations and death.
Exactly! I agree. It does not need to be 100% effective to have a VERY significant impact on the population.
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| Posted 12/30/20 2:25 PM |
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Well that escalated quickly
I think (or heard) that even if its not 100% effective, ultimately, if you have the vaccine, the likelihood is that if you get COVID your symptoms will nonetheless be less (i.e. less likely to die)....at least that's what I heard or hope (?)
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by brooke23
I think (or heard) that even if its not 100% effective, ultimately, if you have the vaccine, the likelihood is that if you get COVID your symptoms will nonetheless be less (i.e. less likely to die)....at least that's what I heard or hope (?)
Yes they have mentioned that and hopefully that is true. Trials have not been done long enough to verify that though.
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| Posted 12/30/20 2:28 PM |
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
They have said from the get go that the vaccine needs to be given in two doses and wouldn't be fully effective until both doses are given AND even then it would take some time after. This is why people like Fauci have said time and time again that everything won't magically go back to normal right after getting the vaccine, he's made the point to say that masks and social distancing will be in play for some time even after the majority of us have been vaccinated. Nobody is omitting facts, people are just looking for an excuse to not get on board and do the right thing so we can all get our lives back at some point.
Fauci changes his mind constantly and really doesn't know anything either.
This is all a guessing game and we are lucky that they understand it a little more now to help patients, especially in hospitals.
Fauci isn't "changing his mind", that is such a simplistic understanding of science. We are all watching science unfold in real time and as doctors and scientists learn new information the guidelines and recommendations will continue to change. This will continue until we have a full understanding of this virus.
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