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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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I think (or heard) that even if its not 100% effective, ultimately, if you have the vaccine, the likelihood is that if you get COVID your symptoms will nonetheless be less (i.e. less likely to die)....at least that's what I heard or hope (?)
I would expect that this will be the case, similar to the flu vaccine. You can still get the flu but your symptoms and severity are decreased because of the vaccine.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses? 
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
They have said from the get go that the vaccine needs to be given in two doses and wouldn't be fully effective until both doses are given AND even then it would take some time after. This is why people like Fauci have said time and time again that everything won't magically go back to normal right after getting the vaccine, he's made the point to say that masks and social distancing will be in play for some time even after the majority of us have been vaccinated. Nobody is omitting facts, people are just looking for an excuse to not get on board and do the right thing so we can all get our lives back at some point.
Fauci changes his mind constantly and really doesn't know anything either.
This is all a guessing game and we are lucky that they understand it a little more now to help patients, especially in hospitals.
Fauci isn't "changing his mind", that is such a simplistic understanding of science. We are all watching science unfold in real time and as doctors and scientists learn new information the guidelines and recommendations will continue to change. This will continue until we have a full understanding of this virus.
Exactly so NO ONE really knows. Just like NO ONE really knows how effective this vaccine is. People are running for something that hasn't been determined long enough if it will even work at all. Funny how people research more about other things they put in their body and things they buy more than they have this vaccine.
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| Posted 12/30/20 2:39 PM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
They have said from the get go that the vaccine needs to be given in two doses and wouldn't be fully effective until both doses are given AND even then it would take some time after. This is why people like Fauci have said time and time again that everything won't magically go back to normal right after getting the vaccine, he's made the point to say that masks and social distancing will be in play for some time even after the majority of us have been vaccinated. Nobody is omitting facts, people are just looking for an excuse to not get on board and do the right thing so we can all get our lives back at some point.
Fauci changes his mind constantly and really doesn't know anything either.
This is all a guessing game and we are lucky that they understand it a little more now to help patients, especially in hospitals.
Fauci isn't "changing his mind", that is such a simplistic understanding of science. We are all watching science unfold in real time and as doctors and scientists learn new information the guidelines and recommendations will continue to change. This will continue until we have a full understanding of this virus.
Exactly so NO ONE really knows. Just like NO ONE really knows how effective this vaccine is. People are running for something that hasn't been determined long enough if it will even work at all. Funny how people research more about other things they put in their body and things they buy more than they have this vaccine.
WRONG. You are so wrong.
Scientists and doctors know A LOT, they just don't know everything. But I will trust a doctor and infectious disease experts before I trust some Google hero on a news forum. SARS viruses are nothing new, scientists were not starting work on this vaccine from a place of zero knowledge which is why many trust this vaccine a little more.
Furthermore, ANY effectiveness with regards to this vaccine is better than nothing. Look at the world right now, you're going to tell me this is better than taking a vaccine that can protect you against COVID in some capacity?? I don't care if it's only 10% effective, that is still more protection against COVID than nothing.
What is your suggestion then? You would rather NOT take the vaccine and instead have no life, have to wear a mask forever, never see people and be trapped in the prison of our 2020 existence? You sound ridiculous. When doctors and scientists are telling you there is efficacy, no matter how much or how little, you trust in science instead of relying on your very minimal to non-existent knowledge of infectious disease.
I am 45, fully vaccinated and have lived to tell the tale. When it's my turn I will take the vaccine because I want my life back, I want this nightmare to end. You should do the same, you don't know more than medical science and you should stop pretending like you do.
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| Posted 12/30/20 2:56 PM |
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Naturalmama
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
They have said from the get go that the vaccine needs to be given in two doses and wouldn't be fully effective until both doses are given AND even then it would take some time after. This is why people like Fauci have said time and time again that everything won't magically go back to normal right after getting the vaccine, he's made the point to say that masks and social distancing will be in play for some time even after the majority of us have been vaccinated. Nobody is omitting facts, people are just looking for an excuse to not get on board and do the right thing so we can all get our lives back at some point.
Fauci changes his mind constantly and really doesn't know anything either.
This is all a guessing game and we are lucky that they understand it a little more now to help patients, especially in hospitals.
Fauci isn't "changing his mind", that is such a simplistic understanding of science. We are all watching science unfold in real time and as doctors and scientists learn new information the guidelines and recommendations will continue to change. This will continue until we have a full understanding of this virus.
Exactly so NO ONE really knows. Just like NO ONE really knows how effective this vaccine is. People are running for something that hasn't been determined long enough if it will even work at all. Funny how people research more about other things they put in their body and things they buy more than they have this vaccine.
The one and only thing they do know is that both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines will work with a 95% efficacy rate. They may not know exactly how long or if prevents all transmission or just prevents serious illness. But the one thing they do know is, it works. The whole point of the trials was to see if it worked. Yes, if it had taken years to be approved as with previous vaccines we would have all the answers. But, this is a pandemic snd our country is seeing more deaths than 9/11 every single day. So for now, yes the fact that it works is good enough. It is our only way out of this pandemic.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
They have said from the get go that the vaccine needs to be given in two doses and wouldn't be fully effective until both doses are given AND even then it would take some time after. This is why people like Fauci have said time and time again that everything won't magically go back to normal right after getting the vaccine, he's made the point to say that masks and social distancing will be in play for some time even after the majority of us have been vaccinated. Nobody is omitting facts, people are just looking for an excuse to not get on board and do the right thing so we can all get our lives back at some point.
Fauci changes his mind constantly and really doesn't know anything either.
This is all a guessing game and we are lucky that they understand it a little more now to help patients, especially in hospitals.
Fauci isn't "changing his mind", that is such a simplistic understanding of science. We are all watching science unfold in real time and as doctors and scientists learn new information the guidelines and recommendations will continue to change. This will continue until we have a full understanding of this virus.
Exactly so NO ONE really knows. Just like NO ONE really knows how effective this vaccine is. People are running for something that hasn't been determined long enough if it will even work at all. Funny how people research more about other things they put in their body and things they buy more than they have this vaccine.
WRONG. You are so wrong.
Scientists and doctors know A LOT, they just don't know everything. But I will trust a doctor and infectious disease experts before I trust some Google hero on a news forum. SARS viruses are nothing new, scientists were not starting work on this vaccine from a place of zero knowledge which is why many trust this vaccine a little more.
Furthermore, ANY effectiveness with regards to this vaccine is better than nothing. Look at the world right now, you're going to tell me this is better than taking a vaccine that can protect you against COVID in some capacity?? I don't care if it's only 10% effective, that is still more protection against COVID than nothing.
What is your suggestion then? You would rather NOT take the vaccine and instead have no life, have to wear a mask forever, never see people and be trapped in the prison of our 2020 existence? You sound ridiculous. When doctors and scientists are telling you there is efficacy, no matter how much or how little, you trust in science instead of relying on your very minimal to non-existent knowledge of infectious disease.
I am 45, fully vaccinated and have lived to tell the tale. When it's my turn I will take the vaccine because I want my life back, I want this nightmare to end. You should do the same, you don't know more than medical science and you should stop pretending like you do.
She doesn't want to live like this forever. She wants people to stop eating fast food and take their vitamins and then the pandemic will go away like magic.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
They have said from the get go that the vaccine needs to be given in two doses and wouldn't be fully effective until both doses are given AND even then it would take some time after. This is why people like Fauci have said time and time again that everything won't magically go back to normal right after getting the vaccine, he's made the point to say that masks and social distancing will be in play for some time even after the majority of us have been vaccinated. Nobody is omitting facts, people are just looking for an excuse to not get on board and do the right thing so we can all get our lives back at some point.
Fauci changes his mind constantly and really doesn't know anything either.
This is all a guessing game and we are lucky that they understand it a little more now to help patients, especially in hospitals.
Fauci isn't "changing his mind", that is such a simplistic understanding of science. We are all watching science unfold in real time and as doctors and scientists learn new information the guidelines and recommendations will continue to change. This will continue until we have a full understanding of this virus.
Exactly so NO ONE really knows. Just like NO ONE really knows how effective this vaccine is. People are running for something that hasn't been determined long enough if it will even work at all. Funny how people research more about other things they put in their body and things they buy more than they have this vaccine.
WRONG. You are so wrong.
Scientists and doctors know A LOT, they just don't know everything. But I will trust a doctor and infectious disease experts before I trust some Google hero on a news forum. SARS viruses are nothing new, scientists were not starting work on this vaccine from a place of zero knowledge which is why many trust this vaccine a little more.
Furthermore, ANY effectiveness with regards to this vaccine is better than nothing. Look at the world right now, you're going to tell me this is better than taking a vaccine that can protect you against COVID in some capacity?? I don't care if it's only 10% effective, that is still more protection against COVID than nothing.
What is your suggestion then? You would rather NOT take the vaccine and instead have no life, have to wear a mask forever, never see people and be trapped in the prison of our 2020 existence? You sound ridiculous. When doctors and scientists are telling you there is efficacy, no matter how much or how little, you trust in science instead of relying on your very minimal to non-existent knowledge of infectious disease.
I am 45, fully vaccinated and have lived to tell the tale. When it's my turn I will take the vaccine because I want my life back, I want this nightmare to end. You should do the same, you don't know more than medical science and you should stop pretending like you do.
She doesn't want to live like this forever. She wants people to stop eating fast food and take their vitamins and then the pandemic will go away like magic.
 Don't you know that she knows more about infectious diseases and vaccines than the top doctors and medical researchers??????She is the smartest person in the world. Check out the politics board, she know more about politics then anyone ever born because she follows fringe alt right conspiracy theory websites. But people keep engaging with her like she is a real person , so she will keep spewing her ridiculousness that we all have to be subjected to daily. It was nice when TPTB took her account away a few months back.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by jlm2008
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
They have said from the get go that the vaccine needs to be given in two doses and wouldn't be fully effective until both doses are given AND even then it would take some time after. This is why people like Fauci have said time and time again that everything won't magically go back to normal right after getting the vaccine, he's made the point to say that masks and social distancing will be in play for some time even after the majority of us have been vaccinated. Nobody is omitting facts, people are just looking for an excuse to not get on board and do the right thing so we can all get our lives back at some point.
Fauci changes his mind constantly and really doesn't know anything either.
This is all a guessing game and we are lucky that they understand it a little more now to help patients, especially in hospitals.
Fauci isn't "changing his mind", that is such a simplistic understanding of science. We are all watching science unfold in real time and as doctors and scientists learn new information the guidelines and recommendations will continue to change. This will continue until we have a full understanding of this virus.
Exactly so NO ONE really knows. Just like NO ONE really knows how effective this vaccine is. People are running for something that hasn't been determined long enough if it will even work at all. Funny how people research more about other things they put in their body and things they buy more than they have this vaccine.
WRONG. You are so wrong.
Scientists and doctors know A LOT, they just don't know everything. But I will trust a doctor and infectious disease experts before I trust some Google hero on a news forum. SARS viruses are nothing new, scientists were not starting work on this vaccine from a place of zero knowledge which is why many trust this vaccine a little more.
Furthermore, ANY effectiveness with regards to this vaccine is better than nothing. Look at the world right now, you're going to tell me this is better than taking a vaccine that can protect you against COVID in some capacity?? I don't care if it's only 10% effective, that is still more protection against COVID than nothing.
What is your suggestion then? You would rather NOT take the vaccine and instead have no life, have to wear a mask forever, never see people and be trapped in the prison of our 2020 existence? You sound ridiculous. When doctors and scientists are telling you there is efficacy, no matter how much or how little, you trust in science instead of relying on your very minimal to non-existent knowledge of infectious disease.
I am 45, fully vaccinated and have lived to tell the tale. When it's my turn I will take the vaccine because I want my life back, I want this nightmare to end. You should do the same, you don't know more than medical science and you should stop pretending like you do.
She doesn't want to live like this forever. She wants people to stop eating fast food and take their vitamins and then the pandemic will go away like magic.
Don't you know that she knows more about infectious diseases and vaccines than the top doctors and medical researchers??????She is the smartest person in the world. Check out the politics board, she know more about politics then anyone ever born because she follows fringe alt right conspiracy theory websites. But people keep engaging with her like she is a real person , so she will keep spewing her ridiculousness that we all have to be subjected to daily. It was nice when TPTB took her account away a few months back.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I think most everyone gets the hesitation and there is a part of me that is nervous too about the vaccine. That being said, I have weighed the risks against living my life like this and the fact is, I just cannot live my life like this anymore. For me, the vaccine is worth the risk.
I don't want to be socially distant anymore or wear a mask or watch my young children miss out on a normal childhood and school experience. I want to see my family and my friends, I want to go to parties and BBQ's, I want to vacation and I don't want to be afraid of every other human on the planet. I simply cannot keep living like this, it is absolutely horrible.
I don't feel like I am living my life anymore, I am just existing in a world that is scary, awful and depressing and I cannot do another year like this. That is why I will take my chances with a vaccine. Unfortunately, the more people that refuse to get the vaccine the longer this will drag out.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
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Naturalmama
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
They have said from the get go that the vaccine needs to be given in two doses and wouldn't be fully effective until both doses are given AND even then it would take some time after. This is why people like Fauci have said time and time again that everything won't magically go back to normal right after getting the vaccine, he's made the point to say that masks and social distancing will be in play for some time even after the majority of us have been vaccinated. Nobody is omitting facts, people are just looking for an excuse to not get on board and do the right thing so we can all get our lives back at some point.
Fauci changes his mind constantly and really doesn't know anything either.
This is all a guessing game and we are lucky that they understand it a little more now to help patients, especially in hospitals.
Fauci isn't "changing his mind", that is such a simplistic understanding of science. We are all watching science unfold in real time and as doctors and scientists learn new information the guidelines and recommendations will continue to change. This will continue until we have a full understanding of this virus.
Exactly so NO ONE really knows. Just like NO ONE really knows how effective this vaccine is. People are running for something that hasn't been determined long enough if it will even work at all. Funny how people research more about other things they put in their body and things they buy more than they have this vaccine.
WRONG. You are so wrong.
Scientists and doctors know A LOT, they just don't know everything. But I will trust a doctor and infectious disease experts before I trust some Google hero on a news forum. SARS viruses are nothing new, scientists were not starting work on this vaccine from a place of zero knowledge which is why many trust this vaccine a little more.
Furthermore, ANY effectiveness with regards to this vaccine is better than nothing. Look at the world right now, you're going to tell me this is better than taking a vaccine that can protect you against COVID in some capacity?? I don't care if it's only 10% effective, that is still more protection against COVID than nothing.
What is your suggestion then? You would rather NOT take the vaccine and instead have no life, have to wear a mask forever, never see people and be trapped in the prison of our 2020 existence? You sound ridiculous. When doctors and scientists are telling you there is efficacy, no matter how much or how little, you trust in science instead of relying on your very minimal to non-existent knowledge of infectious disease.
I am 45, fully vaccinated and have lived to tell the tale. When it's my turn I will take the vaccine because I want my life back, I want this nightmare to end. You should do the same, you don't know more than medical science and you should stop pretending like you do.
I never said I know more but many things are just common sense. I don't follow the sheep like so many do and actually question things and realize that many don't sound right. I have been alive longer than you have and I don't plan to vaccinate as well as so many other family and friends I have because, as much as they know about Sars, this is still new and there has not been enough trial and error. You might not buy a car in the first year of production to get the kinks out but people are willing to take a vaccine that they don't even know what could happen. Makes no sense to me but I truly hope it all works out to get back to some normalcy. I have plans next year that I want to go through but I also don't limit what I do like many have.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
They have said from the get go that the vaccine needs to be given in two doses and wouldn't be fully effective until both doses are given AND even then it would take some time after. This is why people like Fauci have said time and time again that everything won't magically go back to normal right after getting the vaccine, he's made the point to say that masks and social distancing will be in play for some time even after the majority of us have been vaccinated. Nobody is omitting facts, people are just looking for an excuse to not get on board and do the right thing so we can all get our lives back at some point.
Fauci changes his mind constantly and really doesn't know anything either.
This is all a guessing game and we are lucky that they understand it a little more now to help patients, especially in hospitals.
Fauci isn't "changing his mind", that is such a simplistic understanding of science. We are all watching science unfold in real time and as doctors and scientists learn new information the guidelines and recommendations will continue to change. This will continue until we have a full understanding of this virus.
Exactly so NO ONE really knows. Just like NO ONE really knows how effective this vaccine is. People are running for something that hasn't been determined long enough if it will even work at all. Funny how people research more about other things they put in their body and things they buy more than they have this vaccine.
WRONG. You are so wrong.
Scientists and doctors know A LOT, they just don't know everything. But I will trust a doctor and infectious disease experts before I trust some Google hero on a news forum. SARS viruses are nothing new, scientists were not starting work on this vaccine from a place of zero knowledge which is why many trust this vaccine a little more.
Furthermore, ANY effectiveness with regards to this vaccine is better than nothing. Look at the world right now, you're going to tell me this is better than taking a vaccine that can protect you against COVID in some capacity?? I don't care if it's only 10% effective, that is still more protection against COVID than nothing.
What is your suggestion then? You would rather NOT take the vaccine and instead have no life, have to wear a mask forever, never see people and be trapped in the prison of our 2020 existence? You sound ridiculous. When doctors and scientists are telling you there is efficacy, no matter how much or how little, you trust in science instead of relying on your very minimal to non-existent knowledge of infectious disease.
I am 45, fully vaccinated and have lived to tell the tale. When it's my turn I will take the vaccine because I want my life back, I want this nightmare to end. You should do the same, you don't know more than medical science and you should stop pretending like you do.
She doesn't want to live like this forever. She wants people to stop eating fast food and take their vitamins and then the pandemic will go away like magic.
Wow you really put words in people's mouths and twist things.
YES, the first thing to not getting sick IS taking care of yourself. I never said doing the above (as I don't even take vitamins) would make the pandemic go away like magic.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by TwinMommyToBoys
Posted by LIRascal
I saw a bunch of antivaxxers on FB today screaming that this vaccine is ineffective just like the flu shot because a nurse got Covid despite the vaccine... um, does anyone know the period of efficacy? Isn't the flu shot two weeks? And, if it's the same with the Covid Vaccine, then it hasn't been 2 weeks. Also: aren't there 2 doses?
The nurse contracted covid 1 week after the first dose. The vaccine is not effect until 10-14 days AFTER dose 2. So in al honesty you aren’t protected until 6 weeks after the first dose and you receive your second dose. This is where poorly framed media and misinformation circulates, because people omit important factual details to fit their personal agenda. People need to look at scientific evidence based research and need to look at only that. Not dribs and drabs and pieces of information that omit facts
Many people omit facts.
They have said from the get go that the vaccine needs to be given in two doses and wouldn't be fully effective until both doses are given AND even then it would take some time after. This is why people like Fauci have said time and time again that everything won't magically go back to normal right after getting the vaccine, he's made the point to say that masks and social distancing will be in play for some time even after the majority of us have been vaccinated. Nobody is omitting facts, people are just looking for an excuse to not get on board and do the right thing so we can all get our lives back at some point.
Fauci changes his mind constantly and really doesn't know anything either.
This is all a guessing game and we are lucky that they understand it a little more now to help patients, especially in hospitals.
Fauci isn't "changing his mind", that is such a simplistic understanding of science. We are all watching science unfold in real time and as doctors and scientists learn new information the guidelines and recommendations will continue to change. This will continue until we have a full understanding of this virus.
Exactly so NO ONE really knows. Just like NO ONE really knows how effective this vaccine is. People are running for something that hasn't been determined long enough if it will even work at all. Funny how people research more about other things they put in their body and things they buy more than they have this vaccine.
WRONG. You are so wrong.
Scientists and doctors know A LOT, they just don't know everything. But I will trust a doctor and infectious disease experts before I trust some Google hero on a news forum. SARS viruses are nothing new, scientists were not starting work on this vaccine from a place of zero knowledge which is why many trust this vaccine a little more.
Furthermore, ANY effectiveness with regards to this vaccine is better than nothing. Look at the world right now, you're going to tell me this is better than taking a vaccine that can protect you against COVID in some capacity?? I don't care if it's only 10% effective, that is still more protection against COVID than nothing.
What is your suggestion then? You would rather NOT take the vaccine and instead have no life, have to wear a mask forever, never see people and be trapped in the prison of our 2020 existence? You sound ridiculous. When doctors and scientists are telling you there is efficacy, no matter how much or how little, you trust in science instead of relying on your very minimal to non-existent knowledge of infectious disease.
I am 45, fully vaccinated and have lived to tell the tale. When it's my turn I will take the vaccine because I want my life back, I want this nightmare to end. You should do the same, you don't know more than medical science and you should stop pretending like you do.
She doesn't want to live like this forever. She wants people to stop eating fast food and take their vitamins and then the pandemic will go away like magic.
Don't you know that she knows more about infectious diseases and vaccines than the top doctors and medical researchers??????She is the smartest person in the world. Check out the politics board, she know more about politics then anyone ever born because she follows fringe alt right conspiracy theory websites. But people keep engaging with her like she is a real person , so she will keep spewing her ridiculousness that we all have to be subjected to daily. It was nice when TPTB took her account away a few months back.
My two most favorite responses of the day!!
Guess you didn't start your Hygge yet
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I think most everyone gets the hesitation and there is a part of me that is nervous too about the vaccine. That being said, I have weighed the risks against living my life like this and the fact is, I just cannot live my life like this anymore. For me, the vaccine is worth the risk.
I don't want to be socially distant anymore or wear a mask or watch my young children miss out on a normal childhood and school experience. I want to see my family and my friends, I want to go to parties and BBQ's, I want to vacation and I don't want to be afraid of every other human on the planet. I simply cannot keep living like this, it is absolutely horrible.
I don't feel like I am living my life anymore, I am just existing in a world that is scary, awful and depressing and I cannot do another year like this. That is why I will take my chances with a vaccine. Unfortunately, the more people that refuse to get the vaccine the longer this will drag out.
I hate to tell you but many of that is your own choice. Schooling, no and that is the worst part honestly right now for my kids.
Many of us have continued doing as much as we can, masked, socially distanced, etc.
I won't get the flu vaccine, knock on wood, think I have had the flu once in my entire life and the flu is still around. This will never go away and we will have to live with his just like every other virus we have lived with.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.
You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.
" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"
"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I think most everyone gets the hesitation and there is a part of me that is nervous too about the vaccine. That being said, I have weighed the risks against living my life like this and the fact is, I just cannot live my life like this anymore. For me, the vaccine is worth the risk.
I don't want to be socially distant anymore or wear a mask or watch my young children miss out on a normal childhood and school experience. I want to see my family and my friends, I want to go to parties and BBQ's, I want to vacation and I don't want to be afraid of every other human on the planet. I simply cannot keep living like this, it is absolutely horrible.
I don't feel like I am living my life anymore, I am just existing in a world that is scary, awful and depressing and I cannot do another year like this. That is why I will take my chances with a vaccine. Unfortunately, the more people that refuse to get the vaccine the longer this will drag out.
I hate to tell you but many of that is your own choice. Schooling, no and that is the worst part honestly right now for my kids.
Many of us have continued doing as much as we can, masked, socially distanced, etc.
I won't get the flu vaccine, knock on wood, think I have had the flu once in my entire life and the flu is still around. This will never go away and we will have to live with his just like every other virus we have lived with.
No, it's not a CHOICE, it's what we all HAVE to do to survive right now. Let's not pretend that life is anywhere near normal and you're just happily living life as if it were 2019. There is SO much we cannot do still or even do safely. Living life staying away from people and with a mask on is NOT NORMAL. MANY would agree with me that we're not living anymore, we're all in survival mode at best.
Also, nobody thinks the virus will magically go away, it will be something we live with forever most likely but part of living with it is utilizing medicine and vaccines to mitigate its effects on the individual and society as a whole.
I got the flu last winter for the first time in over 30+ years, I hadn't taken the vaccine, never got around to it. My daughter was sick with the flu at the same time but had the flu shot, she did a 180 within 2 days and felt all better. I was sick and miserable for DAYS! Point is, even if the COVID vaccine isn't 100% (like the flu vaccine) it will hopefully allow people to have a more mild case of COVID and heal more quickly instead of being sick for weeks, with long term health effects or worse, in a hospital and possibly dead.
As for your comment above, you make yourself look juvenile when you hijack a thread with childish comments just because you've been cornered and made to look foolish and can't add anything intelligent to the conversation. Stay on topic for once.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.
You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.
" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"
"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"
There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I respect your view. I do think that, as we are starting to see, the virus will continue to mutate and there may need need for a new vaccine each year to reflect the predominant strain. Therefore, same as for the influenza virus, there may be a new vaccine each year. In this case there won’t be the possibility for long term studies on seasonal vaccines. Hopefully the majority will choose to vaccinate and this will be protective to those who decline.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Hofstra26
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I think most everyone gets the hesitation and there is a part of me that is nervous too about the vaccine. That being said, I have weighed the risks against living my life like this and the fact is, I just cannot live my life like this anymore. For me, the vaccine is worth the risk.
I don't want to be socially distant anymore or wear a mask or watch my young children miss out on a normal childhood and school experience. I want to see my family and my friends, I want to go to parties and BBQ's, I want to vacation and I don't want to be afraid of every other human on the planet. I simply cannot keep living like this, it is absolutely horrible.
I don't feel like I am living my life anymore, I am just existing in a world that is scary, awful and depressing and I cannot do another year like this. That is why I will take my chances with a vaccine. Unfortunately, the more people that refuse to get the vaccine the longer this will drag out.
I hate to tell you but many of that is your own choice. Schooling, no and that is the worst part honestly right now for my kids.
Many of us have continued doing as much as we can, masked, socially distanced, etc.
I won't get the flu vaccine, knock on wood, think I have had the flu once in my entire life and the flu is still around. This will never go away and we will have to live with his just like every other virus we have lived with.
No, it's not a CHOICE, it's what we all HAVE to do to survive right now. Let's not pretend that life is anywhere near normal and you're just happily living life as if it were 2019. There is SO much we cannot do still or even do safely. Living life staying away from people and with a mask on is NOT NORMAL. MANY would agree with me that we're not living anymore, we're all in survival mode at best.
Also, nobody thinks the virus will magically go away, it will be something we live with forever most likely but part of living with it is utilizing medicine and vaccines to mitigate its effects on the individual and society as a whole.
I got the flu last winter for the first time in over 30+ years, I hadn't taken the vaccine, never got around to it. My daughter was sick with the flu at the same time but had the flu shot, she did a 180 within 2 days and felt all better. I was sick and miserable for DAYS! Point is, even if the COVID vaccine isn't 100% (like the flu vaccine) it will hopefully allow people to have a more mild case of COVID and heal more quickly instead of being sick for weeks, with long term health effects or worse, in a hospital and possibly dead.
As for your comment above, you make yourself look juvenile when you hijack a thread with childish comments just because you've been cornered and made to look foolish and can't add anything intelligent to the conversation. Stay on topic for once.
Yes, you DO have a choice to see family and go out to a restaurant or other places that are open. If you chose not to, you can not blame this as others are living life safely.
Funny as others have said the exact same thing as me but I don't see you attacking them.
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.
You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.
" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"
"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"
There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.
and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
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Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I respect your view. I do think that, as we are starting to see, the virus will continue to mutate and there may need need for a new vaccine each year to reflect the predominant strain. Therefore, same as for the influenza virus, there may be a new vaccine each year. In this case there won’t be the possibility for long term studies on seasonal vaccines. Hopefully the majority will choose to vaccinate and this will be protective to those who decline.
Thank you - for me it's about risk assessment. My mom is in her 70's with a heart condition, she can't wait to get the shot and I can't wait for her to take it! My BFF is a nurse on a COVID unit and already had the first dose. They both need whatever protection they can get and that benefit outweighs the concern for long term side effects.
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Hofstra26
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
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Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I think most everyone gets the hesitation and there is a part of me that is nervous too about the vaccine. That being said, I have weighed the risks against living my life like this and the fact is, I just cannot live my life like this anymore. For me, the vaccine is worth the risk.
I don't want to be socially distant anymore or wear a mask or watch my young children miss out on a normal childhood and school experience. I want to see my family and my friends, I want to go to parties and BBQ's, I want to vacation and I don't want to be afraid of every other human on the planet. I simply cannot keep living like this, it is absolutely horrible.
I don't feel like I am living my life anymore, I am just existing in a world that is scary, awful and depressing and I cannot do another year like this. That is why I will take my chances with a vaccine. Unfortunately, the more people that refuse to get the vaccine the longer this will drag out.
I hate to tell you but many of that is your own choice. Schooling, no and that is the worst part honestly right now for my kids.
Many of us have continued doing as much as we can, masked, socially distanced, etc.
I won't get the flu vaccine, knock on wood, think I have had the flu once in my entire life and the flu is still around. This will never go away and we will have to live with his just like every other virus we have lived with.
No, it's not a CHOICE, it's what we all HAVE to do to survive right now. Let's not pretend that life is anywhere near normal and you're just happily living life as if it were 2019. There is SO much we cannot do still or even do safely. Living life staying away from people and with a mask on is NOT NORMAL. MANY would agree with me that we're not living anymore, we're all in survival mode at best.
Also, nobody thinks the virus will magically go away, it will be something we live with forever most likely but part of living with it is utilizing medicine and vaccines to mitigate its effects on the individual and society as a whole.
I got the flu last winter for the first time in over 30+ years, I hadn't taken the vaccine, never got around to it. My daughter was sick with the flu at the same time but had the flu shot, she did a 180 within 2 days and felt all better. I was sick and miserable for DAYS! Point is, even if the COVID vaccine isn't 100% (like the flu vaccine) it will hopefully allow people to have a more mild case of COVID and heal more quickly instead of being sick for weeks, with long term health effects or worse, in a hospital and possibly dead.
As for your comment above, you make yourself look juvenile when you hijack a thread with childish comments just because you've been cornered and made to look foolish and can't add anything intelligent to the conversation. Stay on topic for once.
Yes, you DO have a choice to see family and go out to a restaurant or other places that are open. If you chose not to, you can not blame this as others are living life safely.
Funny as others have said the exact same thing as me but I don't see you attacking them.
I go shopping. I go out to eat once a week. My daughter goes to Irish Step. My DH goes to work. My kids are in school. BUT it's still not the same. Not by a long shot. No matter how safe you TRY to be it's still not safe out there and you really shouldn't be socializing especially with cases on the rise.
I am not going to argue this point with you because quite honestly, you sound foolish when you try to convince anyone that life is the same despite COVID. It is not. There is literally not a person on LIF that has said that, EVERYONE (except you it would seem) has acknowledged how our lives have been upended in every way possible even if they are still "living life safely". Sure, you can still do a few things but you're doing them in fear of getting sick and there is NOTHING normal about staying away from people and wearing a mask.
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| Posted 12/30/20 4:47 PM |
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Hofstra26
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Re: Well that escalated quickly
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by Naturalmama
Posted by Mill188
I don't believe people who don't want to be vaccinated are selfish.
I am 52 and fully vaccinated - not an "anti-vaxxer" by any stretch of the imagination. I'm not denying the existence of this virus or the consequences of it. However, there have been no long term studies of the side effects of this vaccine, and that is not a chance I am willing to take. So I do what I can to mitigate the chances of contracting the virus: wear a mask, avoid crowds, socially distance myself, wash my hands......all the usual precautions.
If I were 20 years older or had other high risk indications, it might be a different story.
If you want to take the chance with your body, go right ahead, I'm not going to tell you your crazy or the media or drug companies are manipulating you, I will support your decision 1,000%.
In turn, I would expect that rational people would hear my reasons for being hesitant and not tell me that I'm a conspiracy theorist, anti-science freak or in denial about this virus and support my decision.
Civility and personal responsibility are lacking in society today.....it's so sad.
I do not believe they are selfish and I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science. I have a few family members who right now do not want to take it and they are willing to continue to live life socially distanced. That is their choice, their right, and I have no judgment. What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything. If you did your research and you are still hesitant, than don't take it. I will never judge you for that. Everyone's risk vs benefit is different.
You DO realize you just talked out both sides of your both with what you just said.
" I certainly don't think people who are hesitant are conspiracy theorists or anti science"
"What I do judge is people who flat out say nobody knows if the vaccine works at all (false), that young healthy people can't get critically ill and die (false), and that scientists don't know anything"
There is a big difference between the two. The people who I know who will not take the vaccine just yet do acknowledge that science has proven it works. They also acknowledge that covid kills all ages and all types of people. They do not believe eating healthier and taking better care of yourself prevents covid death. Because it doesn't. I know a very healthy 43 year old athlete who ate all organic and ran 8 miles a day and he died of Covid in April. They also don't believe that scientists have no idea what they are talking about.
and I never said ANY of that. Covid is all new and even scientists and healthcare are learning each and every.day.
How long since the first person has gotten the vaccine? What side effects did they have if any? Have they gotten covid after that or any illness? Why is this not talked about?
It is ALL being talked about, except maybe on your right wing media sites. EVERY scientist has acknowledged all of the above BUT the fact is, they feel confident enough in the vaccine for the masses because the alternative is a never ending pandemic with thousands more deaths, endless new cases and ZERO ability to return to even a semblance of normal. The risks of NOT taking the vaccine are FAR greater and more detrimental than taking it. We have to be proactive if we ever hope to get COVID under control, sitting back and doing nothing is the worst course of action.
And again, this isn't a brand new, "from scratch" vaccine. Doctors have been studying SARS viruses for years, this is the 19th variant so they have a point of understanding from which to work from which should put minds at ease (to some degree) about this vaccine.
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