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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by Sparrow
I’m curious as to why some people are saying they’re too afraid to send their kids back to school if they do reopen in May or June. There seems to be such a tiny risk to children, I’m sure they’re much more likely to be killed on the way to school. Unless you live with a elderly or immunocompromised family member, why are you so afraid for your kids to go to school?
Agreed, the chance that your child dies in a school shooting is probably much greater than getting and dying of Corona. However, you are taking the risk that they bring it home to you and you give it to someone older in your family who subsequently dies. Still, I would send my kids to school if they reopen in May/June.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by lululu
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I’m curious as to why some people are saying they’re too afraid to send their kids back to school if they do reopen in May or June. There seems to be such a tiny risk to children, I’m sure they’re much more likely to be killed on the way to school. Unless you live with a elderly or immunocompromised family member, why are you so afraid for your kids to go to school?
Agreed, the chance that your child dies in a school shooting is probably much greater than getting and dying of Corona. However, you are taking the risk that they bring it home to you and you give it to someone older in your family who subsequently dies. Still, I would send my kids to school if they reopen in May/June.
I would as well. My thought is, if they do go back before the year ends, that we need to continue to avoid seeing elderly grandparents and parents and those with weakened immunity etc.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
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Yes it is very contagious and yes people will die and yes it is devastating on many levels. But I think that at some point people are going to start facing reality that we cannot hide in our homes until a vaccine is ready in maybe a year or more. The virus will not disappear by social distancing no matter how long we do it. The scary truth is that the only way to get it done is to slowly gain herd immunity, meaning more people must be exposed to it. We are going to have to start to learn how to live with this virus by easing the restrictions, and it is going to have to happen sooner rather than later. You cannot shut down a country indefinitely because (1) the economy will not withstand it, and (2) people just won't do it. And I'm not talking about the stock market and I'm not putting money over lives but again, the reality is that in only a month 17 million people have already lost their jobs/businesses/livelihoods and $1200 is only going to pay so many bills for so long. We cannot ignore that. I think if Cuomo had his way we would be hiding under the bed until Christmas but realistically by June we are going to have to start going back to work (to the extent certain businesses survived). And at some point kids will have to return to school - even if that is September - for many reasons. We have to remember that the virus is deadly but it is not a death sentence - more than 80% of people get through it and recover. I know this is all a very unpopular opinion that people will hate. But I think if we eased into living life again - no huge gatherings, people wearing masks at work, maybe not having 100% of workforce every day, continue with the hand washing, less seating at restaurants....I think it could be done.
I agree with this entirely. What we are asking of ppl is too much to sustain for much longer. People will stop doing it. I am alone with 3 kids, I haven’t seen my boyfriend in 6 weeks,or my mother, my sister, my friends. I’m happy to hunker down for another 3 weeks but then I think we really need to ease restrictions. It is against human nature to be alone. Hell in the 80s and 90s all we asked of people to curb an epidemic was to use a condom, and we couldn’t even get everyone to do that and reached a point where 1 percent of the US population had HIV. Now we are asking ppl to forsake all human contact with anyone outside their home indefinitely, homeschool their children, while working themselves, OR losing their jobs, businesses, livelihoods...people are not going to be able to maintain this for much longer. There will be food shortages, looting, civil unrest. These things are not better than a virus. I say this as someone who hasn’t left the house since March 20th bc I feel that we are doing is warranted and prudent and thank God it has proven to be effective. But what it isn’t, for better or worse, is sustainable.
I agree - I think that we did what we could for the short term but on a long term basis it is not sustainable.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by NervousNell
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Posted by Sparrow
I’m curious as to why some people are saying they’re too afraid to send their kids back to school if they do reopen in May or June. There seems to be such a tiny risk to children, I’m sure they’re much more likely to be killed on the way to school. Unless you live with a elderly or immunocompromised family member, why are you so afraid for your kids to go to school?
Agreed, the chance that your child dies in a school shooting is probably much greater than getting and dying of Corona. However, you are taking the risk that they bring it home to you and you give it to someone older in your family who subsequently dies. Still, I would send my kids to school if they reopen in May/June.
I would as well. My thought is, if they do go back before the year ends, that we need to continue to avoid seeing elderly grandparents and parents and those with weakened immunity etc.
I think at this point elderly people who believe they will be at risk will need to make the decision as to whether or not they self-isolate. It seems like a lot of the older people are taking more risks than the younger people.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
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Don't be surprised if the curve goes back up within the next two weeks because of all the "Idontgivea$hits" that celebrated the Passover/Easter Holidays with outside family.
Wouldnt be surprised.
But unless those people were sick, they wouldn't be spreading anything, right? I mean, to get others sick, they would need to be sneezing and coughing their infected droplets all over. If no one was sneezing and coughing, there is hope.
I don't know of anyone that had get togethers on Easter. No one in my realm of friends shared that on social media. Maybe they did and didn't share, who knows.
Actually, no. And that is the part that people do not realize.
Anyone who does have the virus; doesn't necessarily have to have ANY symptoms and still spread it to someone else.
I still don't understand what people are not getting about this. Do they need to be hit over the head. And yes, people did Easter gatherings...my mom's neighbors had their son, daughter in law and BABY over. Inside the house. My mom says she sees them go over most days.
And as for the not sneezing comment, I don't know where you are getting your facts, not even getting into that, but I like a lot of people, suffer from allergies. I sneeze and cough all the time.
Relax with your nasty comments. I get it, I understand that it CAN be spread by people who have no symptoms. My point was, germs get spread through droplets from people coughing and sneezing. So if people are together and NOT coughing or sneezing (not everyone has allergies FYI), then how exactly are they going to get sick? Because disease just doesn't get expelled from breathing, like I said. IF they did, then millions upon millions in NYC alone would be infected right now. Viruses don't get transferred from skin. I'm not an idiot. I get how it works. I'm NOT condoning people getting together in ANY way, whatsoever. My point was, just because people DID get together, doesn't mean we will see this HUGE UPTICK like people are saying, 2 weeks from now. People would rather just be nasty and negative ALL the time. It's getting old. I digress though.
What about people touching their face, lips, mouth whatever. I find it hard to believe that you can only catch this by sneezing and coughing.
Yes, that's why you have to be super vigilant about hand washing, not touching your face, etc. They have been saying that since the beginning.
Yup hand washing will always be the number 1 way to prevent illness in life no matter what is going around
This is how I see it spreading at a party. One person walks in who is asymptomatic, but positive. That person has already perhaps touched their mouth. Now he or she touches a chair to get past in, and then the door to the bathroom while going to wash their hands. 5 more people touch that same bathroom door. Maybe 3 others sit in that chair that was just touched. Then they all use the same serving utensils, touch other furniture, railings, food packaging, etc. Now everyone at that party has likely been exposed in some manner. Everyone goes home, some go shopping, not all wear gloves. And this is how it spreads from one person who didn't even know they were symptomatic.
As for the comment about it spreading around NYC - it is! Tens of thousands of people had it - and that's only the people who have been tested. My husband was sick 2 weeks ago. They told him they couldn't test him but to go home and self isolate. Did he have it? Maybe, maybe not. But if he did, he is not counted in the numbers. Thousands of other people are just like him. The actual numbers are much higher than the reported numbers.
My point was that with 8.5 million people living in NYC, a lot more would have it than do if it was spread by breathing. I'm done debating this. Enjoy the sunshine today!
So every single person on this thread said the same thing I did and much more strongly. But for some reason you felt the need to pointedly call me nasty??????? I wasn't even responding to you specifically. You are something. I know you have this vendetta against me, don't know why. I assume we know each other in real life. Just say who you are. I'm glad you have time right now for such pettiness and name calling. I really hope you don't lose a family member from this like I and others have on this board. Show some compassion.
Your comments were nasty, period and you quoted my post, did you not? "Do people need to be hit over the head". I can't believe you are still carrying on about this. I have no idea who you are. I don't even look at screen names when I reply to someone. So rest assured, I have no clue who you are in "real life" and I have no vendetta against you. Stay well.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by lululu
I think at this point elderly people who believe they will be at risk will need to make the decision as to whether or not they self-isolate. It seems like a lot of the older people are taking more risks than the younger people.
OMG - yes! My dad - 65 years old, former smoker with 911 complications - is out and about EVERY SINGLE DAY. Yesterday, he went to the store for my 71 year old aunt since her son said she couldn't leave the house. Um dad, you shouldn't be leaving the house. He will NOT stay home. He goes to 2-3 stores A DAY!!!
Meanwhile, I have only left the house 3 times to go grocery shopping in the last 5 weeks. I also do curbside pick up for bagels once a week. My DH has only left the house to do curbside pickup and to get something from Lowes since our gutters were leaking and damaging our back door. My 5 year old has not left the house in 5 weeks!
I keep hoping things will slowly start to get back to a "new" normal. I assume there will be reduced staffing for a period of time, but at least people can get back to work. My DH and I are lucky as we are both still working and getting paid. I am a teacher and I hate this online learning. It's fine for students who are self motivated, but the neediest populations are going to be hurt the most. This is going to set them so far behind. It would even be okay if we could cycle the school days so there are less people in the building at one time.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
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I think at this point elderly people who believe they will be at risk will need to make the decision as to whether or not they self-isolate. It seems like a lot of the older people are taking more risks than the younger people.
OMG - yes! My dad - 65 years old, former smoker with 911 complications - is out and about EVERY SINGLE DAY. Yesterday, he went to the store for my 71 year old aunt since her son said she couldn't leave the house. Um dad, you shouldn't be leaving the house. He will NOT stay home. He goes to 2-3 stores A DAY!!!
Meanwhile, I have only left the house 3 times to go grocery shopping in the last 5 weeks. I also do curbside pick up for bagels once a week. My DH has only left the house to do curbside pickup and to get something from Lowes since our gutters were leaking and damaging our back door. My 5 year old has not left the house in 5 weeks!
I keep hoping things will slowly start to get back to a "new" normal. I assume there will be reduced staffing for a period of time, but at least people can get back to work. My DH and I are lucky as we are both still working and getting paid. I am a teacher and I hate this online learning. It's fine for students who are self motivated, but the neediest populations are going to be hurt the most. This is going to set them so far behind. It would even be okay if we could cycle the school days so there are less people in the building at one time.
yes!! on the older population. grumble, grumble.
my dad (73) goes to work every day... yes, EVERY SINGLE DAY. he's working 7 days a week. i do believe that, like his older brother, he will die AT work.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
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I think at this point elderly people who believe they will be at risk will need to make the decision as to whether or not they self-isolate. It seems like a lot of the older people are taking more risks than the younger people.
OMG - yes! My dad - 65 years old, former smoker with 911 complications - is out and about EVERY SINGLE DAY. Yesterday, he went to the store for my 71 year old aunt since her son said she couldn't leave the house. Um dad, you shouldn't be leaving the house. He will NOT stay home. He goes to 2-3 stores A DAY!!!
Meanwhile, I have only left the house 3 times to go grocery shopping in the last 5 weeks. I also do curbside pick up for bagels once a week. My DH has only left the house to do curbside pickup and to get something from Lowes since our gutters were leaking and damaging our back door. My 5 year old has not left the house in 5 weeks!
I keep hoping things will slowly start to get back to a "new" normal. I assume there will be reduced staffing for a period of time, but at least people can get back to work. My DH and I are lucky as we are both still working and getting paid. I am a teacher and I hate this online learning. It's fine for students who are self motivated, but the neediest populations are going to be hurt the most. This is going to set them so far behind. It would even be okay if we could cycle the school days so there are less people in the building at one time.
yes!! on the older population. grumble, grumble.
my dad (73) goes to work every day... yes, EVERY SINGLE DAY. he's working 7 days a week. i do believe that, like his older brother, he will die AT work.
See my parents and ILs are the opposite. My parents especially are terrified of catching it and haven't left the house in weeks. If my kids were back in school there's no way they would see us which stinks. We're not seeing them now but as things start to ease up it would suck to still not be able to see close family.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
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I think at this point elderly people who believe they will be at risk will need to make the decision as to whether or not they self-isolate. It seems like a lot of the older people are taking more risks than the younger people.
OMG - yes! My dad - 65 years old, former smoker with 911 complications - is out and about EVERY SINGLE DAY. Yesterday, he went to the store for my 71 year old aunt since her son said she couldn't leave the house. Um dad, you shouldn't be leaving the house. He will NOT stay home. He goes to 2-3 stores A DAY!!!
Meanwhile, I have only left the house 3 times to go grocery shopping in the last 5 weeks. I also do curbside pick up for bagels once a week. My DH has only left the house to do curbside pickup and to get something from Lowes since our gutters were leaking and damaging our back door. My 5 year old has not left the house in 5 weeks!
I keep hoping things will slowly start to get back to a "new" normal. I assume there will be reduced staffing for a period of time, but at least people can get back to work. My DH and I are lucky as we are both still working and getting paid. I am a teacher and I hate this online learning. It's fine for students who are self motivated, but the neediest populations are going to be hurt the most. This is going to set them so far behind. It would even be okay if we could cycle the school days so there are less people in the building at one time.
yes!! on the older population. grumble, grumble.
my dad (73) goes to work every day... yes, EVERY SINGLE DAY. he's working 7 days a week. i do believe that, like his older brother, he will die AT work.
See my parents and ILs are the opposite. My parents especially are terrified of catching it and haven't left the house in weeks. If my kids were back in school there's no way they would see us which stinks. We're not seeing them now but as things start to ease up it would suck to still not be able to see close family.
My ILs are like this as well. My MIL goes out every 10 days for food. She shops when the store opens at 5:30am and so far she has only seen one other customer.
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When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
We won't be able to get back to some semblance of normal without large scale testing. Cuomo said it again today. In the absence of a vaccine we need a system for high volumes of tests.
We don't have the capacity for this right now so who knows how long this will take. I don't see any way kids will go back to school until the fall.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Until there is a treatment or a cure, there is no way we can send kids back to school without a second wave or spike. Most pf us talking here were spared from the first, but I am not sure people understand how bad this is, even if you don't end up dying. It sounds terrifying and like it feels relentless and unending. The long term effects of the virus are not known. The length of the immunity that having it gves is also unknown.
The kids will bring infections home and people who haven't yet shownh symptoms will spread it everywhere, There will be untold needless death and suffering.
Lots of inconvenient truths.
We know the virus can spread way further than six feet and live in the air. We know that young, healthy people are being brought to their knees and killed. We know that Asia has already seen renfections of people thought "safe," and a second round of lockdowns in many places.
We have to be responsible now so we are not sorry later.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by ChilisWife
Yes it is very contagious and yes people will die and yes it is devastating on many levels. But I think that at some point people are going to start facing reality that we cannot hide in our homes until a vaccine is ready in maybe a year or more. The virus will not disappear by social distancing no matter how long we do it. The scary truth is that the only way to get it done is to slowly gain herd immunity, meaning more people must be exposed to it. We are going to have to start to learn how to live with this virus by easing the restrictions, and it is going to have to happen sooner rather than later. You cannot shut down a country indefinitely because (1) the economy will not withstand it, and (2) people just won't do it. And I'm not talking about the stock market and I'm not putting money over lives but again, the reality is that in only a month 17 million people have already lost their jobs/businesses/livelihoods and $1200 is only going to pay so many bills for so long. We cannot ignore that. I think if Cuomo had his way we would be hiding under the bed until Christmas but realistically by June we are going to have to start going back to work (to the extent certain businesses survived). And at some point kids will have to return to school - even if that is September - for many reasons. We have to remember that the virus is deadly but it is not a death sentence - more than 80% of people get through it and recover. I know this is all a very unpopular opinion that people will hate. But I think if we eased into living life again - no huge gatherings, people wearing masks at work, maybe not having 100% of workforce every day, continue with the hand washing, less seating at restaurants....I think it could be done.
100%.
I think what is going to have to happen is that we are going to have to start returning to work in dribs and drabs and at limited amounts and the at risk population is going to have to remain isolated until the vaccine is created and proven effective. What is happening now is not sustainable.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
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Posted by ChilisWife
Yes it is very contagious and yes people will die and yes it is devastating on many levels. But I think that at some point people are going to start facing reality that we cannot hide in our homes until a vaccine is ready in maybe a year or more. The virus will not disappear by social distancing no matter how long we do it. The scary truth is that the only way to get it done is to slowly gain herd immunity, meaning more people must be exposed to it. We are going to have to start to learn how to live with this virus by easing the restrictions, and it is going to have to happen sooner rather than later. You cannot shut down a country indefinitely because (1) the economy will not withstand it, and (2) people just won't do it. And I'm not talking about the stock market and I'm not putting money over lives but again, the reality is that in only a month 17 million people have already lost their jobs/businesses/livelihoods and $1200 is only going to pay so many bills for so long. We cannot ignore that. I think if Cuomo had his way we would be hiding under the bed until Christmas but realistically by June we are going to have to start going back to work (to the extent certain businesses survived). And at some point kids will have to return to school - even if that is September - for many reasons. We have to remember that the virus is deadly but it is not a death sentence - more than 80% of people get through it and recover. I know this is all a very unpopular opinion that people will hate. But I think if we eased into living life again - no huge gatherings, people wearing masks at work, maybe not having 100% of workforce every day, continue with the hand washing, less seating at restaurants....I think it could be done.
100%.
I think what is going to have to happen is that we are going to have to start returning to work in dribs and drabs and at limited amounts and the at risk population is going to have to remain isolated until the vaccine is created and proven effective. What is happening now is not sustainable.
I agree with you but, feel keeping the at risk population isolated until there is a vaccine isn't sustainable either. Especially since they are estimating a year and a half...
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When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
The country isn't going to be shut down for 18 months. That is not sustainable in any way, shape or form.
I'd imagine we will have a new normal. We wear masks when we leave the house. Limited seating in public places. We may see the lines for groceries for a while to limit the number of people in stores. No live concerts or sporting events or other large scale gatherings. Extra seating at kid's sports games to spread out. Staggered graduation ceremonies.
But no one working or going to school for a year and a half is not possible and the effects it would have on the economy and school age children will linger for the rest of our lives.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
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Posted by lululu
I think at this point elderly people who believe they will be at risk will need to make the decision as to whether or not they self-isolate. It seems like a lot of the older people are taking more risks than the younger people.
OMG - yes! My dad - 65 years old, former smoker with 911 complications - is out and about EVERY SINGLE DAY. Yesterday, he went to the store for my 71 year old aunt since her son said she couldn't leave the house. Um dad, you shouldn't be leaving the house. He will NOT stay home. He goes to 2-3 stores A DAY!!!
Meanwhile, I have only left the house 3 times to go grocery shopping in the last 5 weeks. I also do curbside pick up for bagels once a week. My DH has only left the house to do curbside pickup and to get something from Lowes since our gutters were leaking and damaging our back door. My 5 year old has not left the house in 5 weeks!
I keep hoping things will slowly start to get back to a "new" normal. I assume there will be reduced staffing for a period of time, but at least people can get back to work. My DH and I are lucky as we are both still working and getting paid. I am a teacher and I hate this online learning. It's fine for students who are self motivated, but the neediest populations are going to be hurt the most. This is going to set them so far behind. It would even be okay if we could cycle the school days so there are less people in the building at one time.
yes!! on the older population. grumble, grumble.
my dad (73) goes to work every day... yes, EVERY SINGLE DAY. he's working 7 days a week. i do believe that, like his older brother, he will die AT work.
See my parents and ILs are the opposite. My parents especially are terrified of catching it and haven't left the house in weeks. If my kids were back in school there's no way they would see us which stinks. We're not seeing them now but as things start to ease up it would suck to still not be able to see close family.
My ILs are like this as well. My MIL goes out every 10 days for food. She shops when the store opens at 5:30am and so far she has only seen one other customer.
My mother (74) hasn’t been nearly careful enough. She’s good about cleaning, but she still goes to stores when she really doesn’t need to, and gets rides from a close relative who works in a hospital. She can’t just stay home. I tell her she’s nuts and she’s been very lucky so far.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
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Until there is a treatment or a cure, there is no way we can send kids back to school without a second wave or spike. Most pf us talking here were spared from the first, but I am not sure people understand how bad this is, even if you don't end up dying. It sounds terrifying and like it feels relentless and unending. The long term effects of the virus are not known. The length of the immunity that having it gves is also unknown.
The kids will bring infections home and people who haven't yet shownh symptoms will spread it everywhere, There will be untold needless death and suffering.
Lots of inconvenient truths.
We know the virus can spread way further than six feet and live in the air. We know that young, healthy people are being brought to their knees and killed. We know that Asia has already seen renfections of people thought "safe," and a second round of lockdowns in many places.
We have to be responsible now so we are not sorry later.
So do you think children should learn remotely for the next 12-18 months? How will their parents work? That is just not realistic. If children spend all of next school year learning remotely, it will be a disaster. Children starting Kindergarten? Some of whom are still 4 years old in September, learning off of the computer from a teacher they have never met?
Schools have to reopen as soon as possible. With the option that if you are uncomfortable, and want to keep your child home, the teacher will send your child work over the computer.
And yes, I do understand how bad this is. 100%. But even the government is saying this quarantine has to end sooner rather than later. Cuomo said businesses cannot reopen unless schools reopen at the same time. They are essential to a functioning economy. Are you suggesting we stay with a closed economy for 18 months? I would rather take my chance with the virus.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
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Posted by seaside
Until there is a treatment or a cure, there is no way we can send kids back to school without a second wave or spike. Most pf us talking here were spared from the first, but I am not sure people understand how bad this is, even if you don't end up dying. It sounds terrifying and like it feels relentless and unending. The long term effects of the virus are not known. The length of the immunity that having it gves is also unknown.
The kids will bring infections home and people who haven't yet shownh symptoms will spread it everywhere, There will be untold needless death and suffering.
Lots of inconvenient truths.
We know the virus can spread way further than six feet and live in the air. We know that young, healthy people are being brought to their knees and killed. We know that Asia has already seen renfections of people thought "safe," and a second round of lockdowns in many places.
We have to be responsible now so we are not sorry later.
So do you think children should learn remotely for the next 12-18 months? How will their parents work? That is just not realistic. If children spend all of next school year learning remotely, it will be a disaster. Children starting Kindergarten? Some of whom are still 4 years old in September, learning off of the computer from a teacher they have never met?
Schools have to reopen as soon as possible. With the option that if you are uncomfortable, and want to keep your child home, the teacher will send your child work over the computer.
And yes, I do understand how bad this is. 100%. But even the government is saying this quarantine has to end sooner rather than later. Cuomo said businesses cannot reopen unless schools reopen at the same time. They are essential to a functioning economy. Are you suggesting we stay with a closed economy for 18 months? I would rather take my chance with the virus.
Same. This can't be the end of us.
If this was Ebloa- with a 50% death rate- I could understand that line of thought more.
But it's not.
We need to find a way to move forward.
The end days/doom and gloom attitude is not helping anyone.
If you want to chose to continue to isolate indefinitely, that is your prerogative.
Most people are willing to get back to some form of life. And thank God for that. Or we won't have a country to get back to in 2 years or however long this virus takes.
And there are no cures for viruses. Never have been.
Treatments yes, vaccines yes. No cures.
And even vaccines aren't 100%. Look at the flu shot- every year people get the shot and get the flu anyway- my DD included. So do we hide from this forever? Do we let it take away our lives, our freedom, our rights? All the things that made this country and us what we are?
If so, I am more than willing to take my chances out there with it. Because that's no life anyway
Message edited 4/15/2020 1:34:29 PM.
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| Posted 4/15/20 1:13 PM |
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SecretlyTTC14
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
At this point I'm thinking Sweden has the right idea with quarantining only the most vulnerable of their society. The death rate is obviously less than originally thought. We keep hearing that up to 80% of people could have mild to no symptoms from this virus. We don't shut down the entire country to save the 60-80k people that die from the flu each year.
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| Posted 4/15/20 1:29 PM |
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shadows
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
At this point I'm thinking Sweden has the right idea with quarantining only the most vulnerable of their society. The death rate is obviously less than originally thought. We keep hearing that up to 80% of people could have mild to no symptoms from this virus. We don't shut down the entire country to save the 60-80k people that die from the flu each year.
Totally agree with this and the comments from Chiliswife.
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| Posted 4/15/20 1:39 PM |
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Katareen
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
At this point I'm thinking Sweden has the right idea with quarantining only the most vulnerable of their society. The death rate is obviously less than originally thought. We keep hearing that up to 80% of people could have mild to no symptoms from this virus. We don't shut down the entire country to save the 60-80k people that die from the flu each year.
I think a big part of the initial shutdown was moreso not to overwhelm hospitals. While people do die of the flu every year, they are never taking over entire hospitals or forcing them to rent trucks to stack dead bodies. It’s more slow and steady over the course of the year. This disease they knew would come on fast and angry.
Hopefully once the curve is on a downward trend, we can start to get back to normalcy.
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| Posted 4/15/20 1:47 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by Katareen
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
At this point I'm thinking Sweden has the right idea with quarantining only the most vulnerable of their society. The death rate is obviously less than originally thought. We keep hearing that up to 80% of people could have mild to no symptoms from this virus. We don't shut down the entire country to save the 60-80k people that die from the flu each year.
I think a big part of the initial shutdown was moreso not to overwhelm hospitals. While people do die of the flu every year, they are never taking over entire hospitals or forcing them to rent trucks to stack dead bodies. It’s more slow and steady over the course of the year. This disease they knew would come on fast and angry.
Hopefully once the curve is on a downward trend, we can start to get back to normalcy.
I think I saw something from Nassau County that there are more patients being released than being admitted as of like yesterday I believe.
So that is a good sign.
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| Posted 4/15/20 1:51 PM |
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soontobemommyof2
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by shadows
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
At this point I'm thinking Sweden has the right idea with quarantining only the most vulnerable of their society. The death rate is obviously less than originally thought. We keep hearing that up to 80% of people could have mild to no symptoms from this virus. We don't shut down the entire country to save the 60-80k people that die from the flu each year.
Totally agree with this and the comments from Chiliswife.
I thought at some point the UK did the same, quarantine the most vulnerable but not the healthy. I agree as well with everything that Chiliswife has said.
Also I don’t understand why ppl think that once a rushed vaccine comes to the market, it will be what saves us. First of all, they’re rushing this vaccine, do we wanna be guinea pigs for this vaccine that will be rarely tested or not tested at all?? Second, how “safe and effective” do ppl think vaccines really are? How can we know this one won’t shed like it happens with other vaccines or that it’ll as effective as the flu shot  ?? Do we believe so little in our own bodies’ immune systems?? It’s our faith for vaccines so big that we have so little faith on natural herd immunity? Natural herd immunity is what’s happening NOW and it’s NOT due to a vaccine.
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| Posted 4/15/20 2:11 PM |
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lululu
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Katareen
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
At this point I'm thinking Sweden has the right idea with quarantining only the most vulnerable of their society. The death rate is obviously less than originally thought. We keep hearing that up to 80% of people could have mild to no symptoms from this virus. We don't shut down the entire country to save the 60-80k people that die from the flu each year.
I think a big part of the initial shutdown was moreso not to overwhelm hospitals. While people do die of the flu every year, they are never taking over entire hospitals or forcing them to rent trucks to stack dead bodies. It’s more slow and steady over the course of the year. This disease they knew would come on fast and angry.
Hopefully once the curve is on a downward trend, we can start to get back to normalcy.
I think I saw something from Nassau County that there are more patients being released than being admitted as of like yesterday I believe.
So that is a good sign.
Yes, that was a big part of it. I don't think that you can stop people from dying from this but you do NOT want to end up in a situation where someone that could have lived died only because they could not receive treatment due to overwhelmed hospitals. If we gradually reopen things and keep up with social distancing then hopefully we will still be in a position where hospitals are at or near capacity but not completely overwhelmed. They already have found some treatments that are proving effective so hopefully that will help as well, but we can't stay in this state indefinitely.
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| Posted 4/15/20 2:16 PM |
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MichLiz213
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When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
I don't know what the right answer is. My mental health is taking a beatdown with this. My dad is about to lose his business, one of my brothers has been laid off, the other has had his hours cut. I miss my students and my job so much. DH takes the LIRR (he works from home for now though). I am terrified of DH or I dying (neither of us have pre-existing conditions). I am scared for my elderly relatives and my BIL who just finished chemo. My grandmother lives in Florida and is completely relaxed about all of this. I used to see my mom every day (she takes DS to and from school) and I haven't hugged her in a month (I yelled to her from my car a couple of days ago). I am concerned about going back, but then any talks of not re-opening schools until October, or even January 2021 like I have seen posted in a couple of places upsets me so much.
I mean, every person we know who has gotten this has recovered. Two of them had pre-existing conditions. But I have so many conflicting emotions and then feel like shit for feeling ANY of them because a) the economy will be destroyed or b) people's lives are at stake.
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| Posted 4/15/20 6:14 PM |
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MrsT809
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by soontobemommyof2
Posted by shadows
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
At this point I'm thinking Sweden has the right idea with quarantining only the most vulnerable of their society. The death rate is obviously less than originally thought. We keep hearing that up to 80% of people could have mild to no symptoms from this virus. We don't shut down the entire country to save the 60-80k people that die from the flu each year.
Totally agree with this and the comments from Chiliswife.
I thought at some point the UK did the same, quarantine the most vulnerable but not the healthy. I agree as well with everything that Chiliswife has said.
Also I don’t understand why ppl think that once a rushed vaccine comes to the market, it will be what saves us. First of all, they’re rushing this vaccine, do we wanna be guinea pigs for this vaccine that will be rarely tested or not tested at all?? Second, how “safe and effective” do ppl think vaccines really are? How can we know this one won’t shed like it happens with other vaccines or that it’ll as effective as the flu shot ?? Do we believe so little in our own bodies’ immune systems?? It’s our faith for vaccines so big that we have so little faith on natural herd immunity? Natural herd immunity is what’s happening NOW and it’s NOT due to a vaccine.
Until we have massive testing we have no idea how close to herd immunity we are. Many scientists expect only 1-5% of our population has been infected. That's nowhere near what's needed for herd immunity.
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