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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
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Until there is a treatment or a cure, there is no way we can send kids back to school without a second wave or spike. Most pf us talking here were spared from the first, but I am not sure people understand how bad this is, even if you don't end up dying. It sounds terrifying and like it feels relentless and unending. The long term effects of the virus are not known. The length of the immunity that having it gves is also unknown.
The kids will bring infections home and people who haven't yet shownh symptoms will spread it everywhere, There will be untold needless death and suffering.
Lots of inconvenient truths.
We know the virus can spread way further than six feet and live in the air. We know that young, healthy people are being brought to their knees and killed. We know that Asia has already seen renfections of people thought "safe," and a second round of lockdowns in many places.
We have to be responsible now so we are not sorry later.
So do you think children should learn remotely for the next 12-18 months? How will their parents work? That is just not realistic. If children spend all of next school year learning remotely, it will be a disaster. Children starting Kindergarten? Some of whom are still 4 years old in September, learning off of the computer from a teacher they have never met?
Schools have to reopen as soon as possible. With the option that if you are uncomfortable, and want to keep your child home, the teacher will send your child work over the computer.
And yes, I do understand how bad this is. 100%. But even the government is saying this quarantine has to end sooner rather than later. Cuomo said businesses cannot reopen unless schools reopen at the same time. They are essential to a functioning economy. Are you suggesting we stay with a closed economy for 18 months? I would rather take my chance with the virus.
Same. This can't be the end of us.
If this was Ebloa- with a 50% death rate- I could understand that line of thought more.
But it's not.
We need to find a way to move forward.
The end days/doom and gloom attitude is not helping anyone.
If you want to chose to continue to isolate indefinitely, that is your prerogative.
Most people are willing to get back to some form of life. And thank God for that. Or we won't have a country to get back to in 2 years or however long this virus takes.
And there are no cures for viruses. Never have been.
Treatments yes, vaccines yes. No cures.
And even vaccines aren't 100%. Look at the flu shot- every year people get the shot and get the flu anyway- my DD included. So do we hide from this forever? Do we let it take away our lives, our freedom, our rights? All the things that made this country and us what we are?
If so, I am more than willing to take my chances out there with it. Because that's no life anyway
Yes Yes and Yes, all of the above!
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ChilisWife
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
The truth is that Cuomo has no idea IF there ever WILL BE a vaccine! I read today that the limited antibody testing they are doing shows that even people who had it already and recovered have so little titers that they are barely immune - which makes it much more difficult to develop a vaccine. So if we never get one....do we just all hang up our hats and lie in our homes forever until we die?
Also, kids need to go to school. They need to go to school in September at the LATEST. I have to say, both my kids teachers have been AMAZING and have gone above and beyond to keep them active and normal but it's quite obvious that they are coasting on busy work and not really "learning" much at all. And hypothetically if we "online learn" another year, then what happens to school budgets and teachers? Do half of them get laid off? We don't need twenty 5th grade teachers in each district to post links to Google Classroom. Plus lets not discount the psychological toll this is taking on children.
Lastly, I am tired of being lied to and made to feel like all Americans are stupid except for greedy corrupt politicians. First they beg us relentlessly not to buy masks and a few weeks later they are legally required? I call BS on that. Then they say to just hang in there for "2 more weeks" and "4 more weeks" just to "slow the spread" when what they were really doing was leading us along. They knew all along they wanted to keep us under house arrest until the virus was "gone" which, as we know, is not the way it works!
Then they lie about the numbers and who is counted as a Covid death (spoiler: anyone who dies in March or April) and they only admit to that once people start figuring it out. I mean WHY LIE? Enough people are actually dying - the numbers are high enough. How do you trust media and politicians who continuously lie?!
Vent over.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
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At this point I'm thinking Sweden has the right idea with quarantining only the most vulnerable of their society. The death rate is obviously less than originally thought. We keep hearing that up to 80% of people could have mild to no symptoms from this virus. We don't shut down the entire country to save the 60-80k people that die from the flu each year.
Totally agree with this and the comments from Chiliswife.
I thought at some point the UK did the same, quarantine the most vulnerable but not the healthy. I agree as well with everything that Chiliswife has said.
Also I don’t understand why ppl think that once a rushed vaccine comes to the market, it will be what saves us. First of all, they’re rushing this vaccine, do we wanna be guinea pigs for this vaccine that will be rarely tested or not tested at all?? Second, how “safe and effective” do ppl think vaccines really are? How can we know this one won’t shed like it happens with other vaccines or that it’ll as effective as the flu shot  ?? Do we believe so little in our own bodies’ immune systems?? It’s our faith for vaccines so big that we have so little faith on natural herd immunity? Natural herd immunity is what’s happening NOW and it’s NOT due to a vaccine.
Exactly! How long has the regular flu vaccine been around? At least 20 years. And every year there is a big debate about whether or not to get it but everyone is acting like THIS will be the miracle. Seriously!?!
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by ChilisWife
Lastly, I am tired of being lied to and made to feel like all Americans are stupid except for greedy corrupt politicians. First they beg us relentlessly not to buy masks and a few weeks later they are legally required? I call BS on that. Then they say to just hang in there for "2 more weeks" and "4 more weeks" just to "slow the spread" when what they were really doing was leading us along. They knew all along they wanted to keep us under house arrest until the virus was "gone" which, as we know, is not the way it works!
Then they lie about the numbers and who is counted as a Covid death (spoiler: anyone who dies in March or April) and they only admit to that once people start figuring it out. I mean WHY LIE? Enough people are actually dying - the numbers are high enough. How do you trust media and politicians who continuously lie?!
Vent over.
YES!! I am not a conspiracy person by any stretch. All of those people who claim 9/11 & Sandy Hook never happened make me so angry. I also 100% know this virus is VERY real, VERY serious, and VERY dangerous. That being said, I am not trusting much about this situation. The adding unconfirmed Covid cases to the death toll is absurd. Every single one of those people who died mattered, and each loss of life is equally tragic. But that does not mean they died from this virus. Do people not die of anything else anymore? Are heart attacks, strokes, cancer, etc., all of a sudden no longer a thing?
Our government has no clue what it is doing or what is going on. And not only Trump- all of them have been useless in this mess. Nobody can get testing, they keep talking about the vaccine like it is some miracle, when the reality is the flu shot is only 40% effective. So this vaccine will most likely be similar. Which means this virus will be a part of our lives, forever. Was March 13th the last day anyone will ever go to school & work again? The last day you will ever see the people who do not live with you?
I do know people who have died from this, I am not downplaying this situation. But something has to give. And the people who make it sound like anyone unwilling to sit under a blanket in our home for the next 18 months is either in denial, or selfish and uncaring, are just as bad. This isn't about being uncaring. It is about being realistic.
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When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
1. There will be a vaccine. No one can comment on the effectiveness because it hasn’t been developed yet and scientists don’t have a crystal ball to know exactly how the virus will mutate. Also, the flu shot is imperfect but still prevents many, many flu deaths each year. To claim otherwise is ignorant.
2. Antibody tests are actively being developed. They need enough people who have recovered and are producing antibodies to, for lack of a better description, test the test. The recovered patients need to be willing to donate their blood and with the number of companies developing tests, that’s A LOT of people. The more samples you have, the better the test. A crap test won’t do anyone any good.
3. The additional deaths are presumed COVID cases. They aren’t people who died of heart attacks or strokes. They’re people whose symptoms correlate to COVID. Is it a perfect system? No, but someone who clearly died of a heart attack is not being counted as a COVID death.
4. Guidelines change as more information is available. Hence the mask vs. no mask debate.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
I'm in agreement about returning to normal life. Doing so prematurely might be a disaster. In other countries that have returned to some type of normal they're seeing a second wave and people that had recovered are reinfected (different strain? Not much info yet)
I'm also not against letting the at risk people quarantine while the rest of us return to normal life, but how would that work for the at risk people? For example, at risk people that are currently able to work from home (office workers for example) will be allowed by their employers to continue to work from home while the non-risk employees return to the office (probably at a staggered pace initially)? Employers will make a work from home exception for at risk employees? If not, will they set up special offices for at risk employees so they can safely distance from the rest of the work population? At risk employees will be protected? I don't see that happening. If Gary in accounting has to quarantine because he's diabetic or has heart problems, I foresee Gary's company letting him go for non-covid reasons.
I 100% agree that kids need to be in school yesterday. But strictly on the subject of jobs, what happens to at risk teachers? Maybe they'll continue the virtual learning for the kids of the at risk people.
This whole thing is a mess. What is the solution?
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by LuckyStar
1. There will be a vaccine. No one can comment on the effectiveness because it hasn’t been developed yet and scientists don’t have a crystal ball to know exactly how the virus will mutate. Also, the flu shot is imperfect but still prevents many, many flu deaths each year. To claim otherwise is ignorant.
2. Antibody tests are actively being developed. They need enough people who have recovered and are producing antibodies to, for lack of a better description, test the test. The recovered patients need to be willing to donate their blood and with the number of companies developing tests, that’s A LOT of people. The more samples you have, the better the test. A crap test won’t do anyone any good.
3. The additional deaths are presumed COVID cases. They aren’t people who died of heart attacks or strokes. They’re people whose symptoms correlate to COVID. Is it a perfect system? No, but someone who clearly died of a heart attack is not being counted as a COVID death.
4. Guidelines change as more information is available. Hence the mask vs. no mask debate.
I’m just going to comment on your first point. Coronaviruses are tricky, tricky things to deal with. I’ll use the example of my experience with cats again. Sorry, I’m the crazy cat lady! You can search my post history related to FIP that I had with one kitten. FIP mutates from FCoV. Most cats have the antibodies to it (all of my cats do, but it could mutate). So in human terms FCoV equals SARS-CoV2 And FIP equals Covid-19 (Sort of but FIP is like 99.9% fatal).
I’d compare it to HIV to AIDS, but that’s a slightly different virus.
Viruses are tricky, tricky things. Look how much research has been done on the different types of HIV and how much has changed in the past 30 years? Now there are many medicines that really hold off on AIDS, but no vaccines.
The same thing with FIP in cats. They have been working for 20-30 years. There is a vaccine, but it is imperfect, less than the Flu vaccine.
I’m not so sure they will find a vaccine right away or in the time frame they are saying. I think more research should be spent on anti-viral drugs, kind of like Tamiflu or whatever it’s called, but not the one that Trump is ignorantly saying will help. That’s too soon for that.
There is still no vaccine for SARS 1 or MERS. And there are still cases of that. SARS-CoV 2 is much more contagious than that. So where does that leave us?
And to another previous poster about Sweden, the UK and the Netherlands have tried the herd immunity theory and it’s not really working out so well for them. Sweden is next. I also think this “herd immunity” theory brings up too many ethical questions such as eugenics. That’s a slippery slope.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
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Posted by LuckyStar
1. There will be a vaccine. No one can comment on the effectiveness because it hasn’t been developed yet and scientists don’t have a crystal ball to know exactly how the virus will mutate. Also, the flu shot is imperfect but still prevents many, many flu deaths each year. To claim otherwise is ignorant.
2. Antibody tests are actively being developed. They need enough people who have recovered and are producing antibodies to, for lack of a better description, test the test. The recovered patients need to be willing to donate their blood and with the number of companies developing tests, that’s A LOT of people. The more samples you have, the better the test. A crap test won’t do anyone any good.
3. The additional deaths are presumed COVID cases. They aren’t people who died of heart attacks or strokes. They’re people whose symptoms correlate to COVID. Is it a perfect system? No, but someone who clearly died of a heart attack is not being counted as a COVID death.
4. Guidelines change as more information is available. Hence the mask vs. no mask debate.
I’m just going to comment on your first point. Coronaviruses are tricky, tricky things to deal with. I’ll use the example of my experience with cats again. Sorry, I’m the crazy cat lady! You can search my post history related to FIP that I had with one kitten. FIP mutates from FCoV. Most cats have the antibodies to it (all of my cats do, but it could mutate). So in human terms FCoV equals SARS-CoV2 And FIP equals Covid-19 (Sort of but FIP is like 99.9% fatal).
I’d compare it to HIV to AIDS, but that’s a slightly different virus.
Viruses are tricky, tricky things. Look how much research has been done on the different types of HIV and how much has changed in the past 30 years? Now there are many medicines that really hold off on AIDS, but no vaccines.
The same thing with FIP in cats. They have been working for 20-30 years. There is a vaccine, but it is imperfect, less than the Flu vaccine.
I’m not so sure they will find a vaccine right away or in the time frame they are saying. I think more research should be spent on anti-viral drugs, kind of like Tamiflu or whatever it’s called, but not the one that Trump is ignorantly saying will help. That’s too soon for that.
There is still no vaccine for SARS 1 or MERS. And there are still cases of that. SARS-CoV 2 is much more contagious than that. So where does that leave us?
And to another previous poster about Sweden, the UK and the Netherlands have tried the herd immunity theory and it’s not really working out so well for them. Sweden is next. I also think this “herd immunity” theory brings up too many ethical questions such as eugenics. That’s a slippery slope.
Covid is more contagious and it’s also contagious earlier. The viral load is higher at the very start of illness and before symptoms appear. With SARS and MERS the viral load is higher later in the illness, long after a person is sick. Hence why we need widespread testing but that’s another issue.
Given the work that’s been done so far and the fact that people are passing this all over without knowing, I’d be VERY surprised if vaccine doesn’t come to fruition. But no one knows when, not even the researchers. Everyone keeps saying 18 months but no one really knows.
There are hundreds of drugs that are approved for other uses in trials now with many showing promise. Not hydroxychloroquine.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Herd immunity is a false hope right now. There are reinfection rates being reported and re-quarantines of areas once thought safe. Many have died because they believed it was safe to resume going out.
Here's a big thing. The virus is reported to cause long term and permanent damage. Who would be willing to get this in exchange for more normalcy now?
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-04-10/coronavirus-infection-can-do-lasting-damage-to-the-heart-liver
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
X2^^
I don’t know, I just have more hope in them finding drugs to help it first than a vaccine, but that’s just my opinion. I hope I’m wrong. This just don’t know how exactly this virus works and it’s going to take time. Viruses are just like that. Period.
I believe it is a bad idea to start letting people out soon, but they need to do it correctly. They are starting here I think in May, but very slowly. The schools are partially opening here. The young ones of only the essential workers go. The ones going for their high school (there are a few types of high schools here that they don’t have in the US) will be going to school. It’s essential because this will decide the rest of their future, but that’s a fault of the German system that a student has to decide their future at 15/16. Those in the high school stay home and do work on computers. Universities are distance learning until July here (semester ends then). That’s all I heard so far.
I don’t really agree with it, but I can work from home because I’m in the university system.
I do think it will give people a false sense of hope.
This article was long, but good:
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/pandemic-summer-coronavirus-reopening-back-normal/609940/
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ChilisWife
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Many people still getting a paycheck and who have everyone in their family healthy may find it easy to say, "I don't mind staying home to save lives." But I have a question for those who are okay with having a long term lockdown. Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with:
1. 22million unemployed (as of now...going up and up)?
2. Disruptions to the food supply chain (already starting and will lead to food shortages despite what the lying government tells you)?
3. People dying for other reasons (because there are actually other causes of death believe it or not) from people NOT going to the doctor or hospital now when they need to and people NOT being able to get the treatment for their other illnesses like cancer, etc.?
4. Higher rates of suicide, murder, looting, depression, addiction, poverty, homelessness and domestic violence?
When I ask people this, their response is "well it's better than death." Well....not really because these things all lead to death.
And I won't even touch upon the constitutionality of what is going on and how our rights are being severely violated.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by ChilisWife
Many people still getting a paycheck and who have everyone in their family healthy may find it easy to say, "I don't mind staying home to save lives." But I have a question for those who are okay with having a permanent lockdown. Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with:
1. 22million unemployed (as of now...going up and up)?
2. Disruptions to the food supply chain (already starting and will lead to food shortages despite what the lying government tells you)?
3. People dying for other reasons (because there are actually other causes of death believe it or not) from people NOT going to the doctor or hospital now when they need to and people NOT being able to get the treatment for their other illnesses like cancer, etc.?
4. Higher rates of suicide, murder, looting, depression, addiction, and domestic violence?
When I ask people this, their response is "well it's better than death." Well....not really because these things all lead to death.
And I won't even touch upon the constitutionality of what is going on and how our rights are being severely violated.
Who is okay having a "permanent lockdown?" I think you would have to be completely insane to be okay with that. Even the people I know who are completely against reopening things right now know that this is not sustainable much longer.
My husband and I are fortunate enough that we are both still getting a paycheck and I only work part time so I have time to homeschool (sort of) but even we realize that there are many people suffering and it can not continue this way much longer.
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ChilisWife
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by lululu
Posted by ChilisWife
Many people still getting a paycheck and who have everyone in their family healthy may find it easy to say, "I don't mind staying home to save lives." But I have a question for those who are okay with having a permanent lockdown. Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with:
1. 22million unemployed (as of now...going up and up)?
2. Disruptions to the food supply chain (already starting and will lead to food shortages despite what the lying government tells you)?
3. People dying for other reasons (because there are actually other causes of death believe it or not) from people NOT going to the doctor or hospital now when they need to and people NOT being able to get the treatment for their other illnesses like cancer, etc.?
4. Higher rates of suicide, murder, looting, depression, addiction, and domestic violence?
When I ask people this, their response is "well it's better than death." Well....not really because these things all lead to death.
And I won't even touch upon the constitutionality of what is going on and how our rights are being severely violated.
Who is okay having a "permanent lockdown?" I think you would have to be completely insane to be okay with that. Even the people I know who are completely against reopening things right now know that this is not sustainable much longer.
My husband and I are fortunate enough that we are both still getting a paycheck and I only work part time so I have time to homeschool (sort of) but even we realize that there are many people suffering and it can not continue this way much longer.
Fair point. Edited my post.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by ChilisWife
Many people still getting a paycheck and who have everyone in their family healthy may find it easy to say, "I don't mind staying home to save lives." But I have a question for those who are okay with having a permanent lockdown. Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with:
1. 22million unemployed (as of now...going up and up)?
2. Disruptions to the food supply chain (already starting and will lead to food shortages despite what the lying government tells you)?
3. People dying for other reasons (because there are actually other causes of death believe it or not) from people NOT going to the doctor or hospital now when they need to and people NOT being able to get the treatment for their other illnesses like cancer, etc.?
4. Higher rates of suicide, murder, looting, depression, addiction, poverty, homelessness and domestic violence?
When I ask people this, their response is "well it's better than death." Well....not really because these things all lead to death.
And I won't even touch upon the constitutionality of what is going on and how our rights are being severely violated.
I agree 100%. I know farmers aren't planting right now because they have been told not to count on migrant workers to harvest. The food supply chain is breaking down and we aren't prepared for this. It's not going to be good. I think there will come a point where we look back and say "this wasn't worth it". We will see more death and violence when the economy completely collapses.
I've been saying from the beginning that this could be the start of a civil war. Our rights are being violated. I know a lot of people don't mind right now because they are just being forced to stay home. That might just change when there is no food.
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ChilisWife
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
Posted by ChilisWife
Many people still getting a paycheck and who have everyone in their family healthy may find it easy to say, "I don't mind staying home to save lives." But I have a question for those who are okay with having a permanent lockdown. Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with:
1. 22million unemployed (as of now...going up and up)?
2. Disruptions to the food supply chain (already starting and will lead to food shortages despite what the lying government tells you)?
3. People dying for other reasons (because there are actually other causes of death believe it or not) from people NOT going to the doctor or hospital now when they need to and people NOT being able to get the treatment for their other illnesses like cancer, etc.?
4. Higher rates of suicide, murder, looting, depression, addiction, poverty, homelessness and domestic violence?
When I ask people this, their response is "well it's better than death." Well....not really because these things all lead to death.
And I won't even touch upon the constitutionality of what is going on and how our rights are being severely violated.
I agree 100%. I know farmers aren't planting right now because they have been told not to count on migrant workers to harvest. The food supply chain is breaking down and we aren't prepared for this. It's not going to be good. I think there will come a point where we look back and say "this wasn't worth it". We will see more death and violence when the economy completely collapses.
I've been saying from the beginning that this could be the start of a civil war. Our rights are being violated. I know a lot of people don't mind right now because they are just being forced to stay home. That might just change when there is no food.
Thank you. The fact that people don't realize this stuns me. The fact that our government who does know this is ignoring it, infuriates me.
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by SecretlyTTC14
Posted by ChilisWife
Many people still getting a paycheck and who have everyone in their family healthy may find it easy to say, "I don't mind staying home to save lives." But I have a question for those who are okay with having a permanent lockdown. Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with:
1. 22million unemployed (as of now...going up and up)?
2. Disruptions to the food supply chain (already starting and will lead to food shortages despite what the lying government tells you)?
3. People dying for other reasons (because there are actually other causes of death believe it or not) from people NOT going to the doctor or hospital now when they need to and people NOT being able to get the treatment for their other illnesses like cancer, etc.?
4. Higher rates of suicide, murder, looting, depression, addiction, poverty, homelessness and domestic violence?
When I ask people this, their response is "well it's better than death." Well....not really because these things all lead to death.
And I won't even touch upon the constitutionality of what is going on and how our rights are being severely violated.
I agree 100%. I know farmers aren't planting right now because they have been told not to count on migrant workers to harvest. The food supply chain is breaking down and we aren't prepared for this. It's not going to be good. I think there will come a point where we look back and say "this wasn't worth it". We will see more death and violence when the economy completely collapses.
I've been saying from the beginning that this could be the start of a civil war. Our rights are being violated. I know a lot of people don't mind right now because they are just being forced to stay home. That might just change when there is no food.
Agree. People are already protesting in the streets- i saw something about a protest in Michigan yesterday. How much longer until it turns violent.
But the bottom line is- our government knows this.
They aren't going to let this go on much longer no matter how many people are scared to move on with life.
Already I saw PA has approved a bill to allow businesses to reopen as long as they follow social distancing guidelines.
PA passes bill to reopen busineeses
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
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Posted by ChilisWife
Many people still getting a paycheck and who have everyone in their family healthy may find it easy to say, "I don't mind staying home to save lives." But I have a question for those who are okay with having a permanent lockdown. Do you have any suggestions on how to deal with:
1. 22million unemployed (as of now...going up and up)?
2. Disruptions to the food supply chain (already starting and will lead to food shortages despite what the lying government tells you)?
3. People dying for other reasons (because there are actually other causes of death believe it or not) from people NOT going to the doctor or hospital now when they need to and people NOT being able to get the treatment for their other illnesses like cancer, etc.?
4. Higher rates of suicide, murder, looting, depression, addiction, poverty, homelessness and domestic violence?
When I ask people this, their response is "well it's better than death." Well....not really because these things all lead to death.
And I won't even touch upon the constitutionality of what is going on and how our rights are being severely violated.
I agree 100%. I know farmers aren't planting right now because they have been told not to count on migrant workers to harvest. The food supply chain is breaking down and we aren't prepared for this. It's not going to be good. I think there will come a point where we look back and say "this wasn't worth it". We will see more death and violence when the economy completely collapses.
I've been saying from the beginning that this could be the start of a civil war. Our rights are being violated. I know a lot of people don't mind right now because they are just being forced to stay home. That might just change when there is no food.
Agree. People are already protesting in the streets- i saw something about a protest in Michigan yesterday. How much longer until it turns violent.
But the bottom line is- our government knows this.
They aren't going to let this go on much longer no matter how many people are scared to move on with life.
Already I saw PA has approved a bill to allow businesses to reopen as long as they follow social distancing guidelines.
PA passes bill to reopen busineeses
This is what terrifies me more than any virus. Lack of food, civil unrest, violence in the streets, depression, domestic violence, anxiety, suicide, unemployment, etc. And a previous poster is correct, I know most people, even those who are against us reopening right now, believe this is sustainable to more than another month or two. There have been some people, in my own life, and on this forum, who seem to think nothing should reopen until there is a vaccine or effective treatment. Neither of which is happening before 2021. Someone said they cannot reopen schools until those things happen. Which would put our children at very high risk for a slew of problems. Not to mention the millions of people who would be unable to return to work if their children are at school.
Do I think we can say, "let's just reopen and screw the health of our citizens"? Of course not. But I also think the people who are saying, "keep everything as is for 18 months, because as long as you don't get this virus, nothing else matters" are just as unrealistic as those who believe the former.
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| Posted 4/16/20 7:11 AM |
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Funkybutt
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When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Yesterday was the highest death toll so far (almost 8,000 people). I'm not sure this is the right time to responsibly opening businesses. This is just going to cause a second wave of cases and higher numbers of people dying b/c not enough are taking it seriously. I get that the economy is suffering and I think it's great what some businesses are coming up with to make money, but I don't see how it can happen until it's determined that people can't get it again.
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| Posted 4/16/20 7:16 AM |
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RainyDay
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by Funkybutt
Yesterday was the highest death toll so far (almost 8,000 people). I'm not sure this is the right time to responsibly opening businesses. This is just going to cause a second wave of cases and higher numbers of people dying b/c not enough are taking it seriously. I get that the economy is suffering and I think it's great what some businesses are coming up with to make money, but I don't see how it can happen until it's determined that people can't get it again.
I don't think can go on forever and this week has been really hard for me. At the same time I don't have any confidence with the way any of the politicians are talking right now. We are just NOT prepared. There is no game plan. If there was I think they would have given some type of inkling as to what we should expect. You can't just say " ok enough is enough, we are openng"
It's great we want to get back to normal but what happens in 3 weeks when we need to start isolation all over again?
There needs to be a game plan and it can't be an overnight decision
Message edited 4/16/2020 7:23:11 AM.
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| Posted 4/16/20 7:22 AM |
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lululu
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
I think that the main problem is that people are failing to realize that the whole point of the lockdown was never to prevent people from dying from this virus. It was to "flatten the curve" to prevent people from dying due to lack of available medical care. To my knowledge we have not had one death because there wasn't a hospital bed or ventilator available. In the meantime, we also had the opportunity to buy some time to come up with treatments/vaccines etc. but that was just a bonus as far as I am concerned. People are going to die from this, a lot of people, and while that is the sad reality, putting people in lockdown indefinitely is not the right way to solve this problem. There are too many other ramifications to that as many of the PP's have pointed out. All of a sudden Cuomo made this into a plight to save every life we can, but eventually we are all going to get this. We aren't going to eradicate the virus so we just need to let it run it's course as slowly as we realistically can.
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| Posted 4/16/20 7:22 AM |
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amac27
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
I think the people who are content to sit in their homes and let this ride out for another year or so are those who are not worried about their jobs or paying their bills.
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| Posted 4/16/20 7:29 AM |
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NervousNell
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by Funkybutt
but I don't see how it can happen until it's determined that people can't get it again.
And what if it is determined that you CAN get it again?
Then what?
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| Posted 4/16/20 7:29 AM |
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ChilisWife
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by lululu
I think that the main problem is that people are failing to realize that the whole point of the lockdown was never to prevent people from dying from this virus. It was to "flatten the curve" to prevent people from dying due to lack of available medical care. To my knowledge we have not had one death because there wasn't a hospital bed or ventilator available. In the meantime, we also had the opportunity to buy some time to come up with treatments/vaccines etc. but that was just a bonus as far as I am concerned. People are going to die from this, a lot of people, and while that is the sad reality, putting people in lockdown indefinitely is not the right way to solve this problem. There are too many other ramifications to that as many of the PP's have pointed out. All of a sudden Cuomo made this into a plight to save every life we can, but eventually we are all going to get this. We aren't going to eradicate the virus so we just need to let it run it's course as slowly as we realistically can.
This!! Exactly this!!
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| Posted 4/16/20 7:31 AM |
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Funkybutt
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Funkybutt
but I don't see how it can happen until it's determined that people can't get it again.
And what if it is determined that you CAN get it again?
Then what?
I don't know what then, but I'm not taking a chance with my only child's life, nor mine. I get that I have the luxury to be able to work from home, and I definitely want things to go back to the way they were, but I'm not sacrificing me or my child.
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| Posted 4/16/20 7:56 AM |
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Mrs213
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When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
I am going to sound like a nut but I think this is going to tumble into a worldwide Depression. I’m not confident this will go away. China is going through a second wave. Trump is losing it on TV daily. The food supply is disrupted. People are angry. They want to get back to work. I don’t know if there is even a vaccine or if people can be immune to it. It’s too new, and there haven’t been enough studies. More and more healthy, young adults without underlying conditions are becoming seriously ill. It’s so weird. I think the libertarians will push back against our rights being violated and there will be tons of civil unrest. I am just going to sit tight and hope for the best. We are avid gardeners and have a huge vegetable garden. My husband is already talking about canning for the winter. I was never one to prepare but this is all making me very nervous. Maybe we will go vegan...
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| Posted 4/16/20 8:07 AM |
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lululu
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Re: When do you think we will Social Distancing be done
Posted by Funkybutt
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by Funkybutt
but I don't see how it can happen until it's determined that people can't get it again.
And what if it is determined that you CAN get it again?
Then what?
I don't know what then, but I'm not taking a chance with my only child's life, nor mine. I get that I have the luxury to be able to work from home, and I definitely want things to go back to the way they were, but I'm not sacrificing me or my child.
Here's the thing though, you send your child to school right? There is a much higher likelihood that your child dies in a school shooting than they die of corona virus even if they get it. The mortality rate for children is infinitismal. As far as your life, unless you already have underlying conditions there is not much more of a chance of you dying from Corona than dying from complications related to the flu. Also,every time we get in a car we are taking a chance that we will get into an accident but we take that risk. People have distorted views of what will happen if they get this virus. It is completely your prerogative to stay home but we can't make everyone else stay home. It's all about what risks you are willing to take for yourself and your loved ones and this is just one of the many that we will be faced with.
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| Posted 4/16/20 8:12 AM |
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