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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
Posted by SweetTooth
Why do I think the taxes are so high? Its 100% because of school taxes. If you look at the breakdown of your tax bill, you'll see the taxes for police are a very small part.
School taxes are 60%+ of the tax bill. Do we have good schools, yes. But there are other parts of the state/country that have good schools and the taxes aren't as high. Part of it is because the teacher salaries here are higher than in other parts of the country. Do I think teachers should get paid less, no.
What I do have a problem with is the school districts with only a few thousand kids who have superintendents, ***'t supers and other admins making six digits. What I think should happen is consolidation of school districts on LI with only one set of administrators. NYC has only ONE set of administrators that handles HUNDREDS of schools with a million kids. And gets paid a lot less than his couterpart on LI.
If we were to consolidate you'd definitely see a decrease in taxes. There was an article in the paper about this yesterday. Moriches and Center Moriches SDs are trying to get this done and the taxes for residents in those two districts will go down if the merger is succesful.
Also, LI gets such a small % of the allotted funds for education from NYS that the difference has to be made up in our property taxes.
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
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My husband is a teacher 5 years on the job with a masters in education. He makes $63 thousand a year before taxes. We rent and live in someones basement. We joke and say he should of become a cop at least we would have a lovely home, or any home for that matter.
my DH is also a teacher with five years on the job. he makes less than that because he cant even get a job on LI - he works in queens.  he is in $40K of student loan debt. I can't stand when people complain about teacher salaries - its not the teachers its the administration, who make $125+ AND get cars.
Wow... it's nice to hear we are not alone.We are $35K in debt(D*** student loans)
My DH graduated when i was preganant and He searched for a job for 2 years it was so stressful with a baby in the mix. It is very hard to find jobs,as you know.
I also can not stand it when people complain about teachers and their salaries. If we are doing so fab. why are we driveing old cars and living in a rental.We live paycheck to paycheck and own""NOTHING" the whole situation is so.. depressing.
With the education required to teach they could make so much more$$$$$ $ in almost any other field. But he loves his job and has really found his calling. He comes home and creates lesson plans,reads papers,and grades till 9:00 at night and then orders with" our "$$movies that will inspire the students .But i still wish he would consider a career change.It is a very ungrateful profession. Your in my prayers because i know your pain firsthand!!!!.
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
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because we have to pay for all the "little" towns in the upper state of NY....
I'd like to know why you think this is true!!!
My parents live in upstate NY and their taxes are almost the same as mine!
I'd like to know as well. We live upstate in an excellent school district but our taxes are 12k per year with the majority of that going to schools. My girlfriend lives a few towns away and pays 13k just in school taxes.
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
Posted by dgirl
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because we have to pay for all the "little" towns in the upper state of NY....
I'd like to know why you think this is true!!!
My parents live in upstate NY and their taxes are almost the same as mine!
I'd like to know as well. We live upstate in an excellent school district but our taxes are 12k per year with the majority of that going to schools. My girlfriend lives a few towns away and pays 13k just in school taxes.
I agree also! I live upstate, and while my house cost 1/4 of what it would cost on Long Island, my taxes are over $8,000!
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
Unfortunately, it's not just LI - I live in the Philly 'burbs and we're paying $10,000 a year in taxes - FOR PHILLY!  
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
Posted by Maathy317
Why are taxes so high? In two words, school districts. My school taxes are 62% of the total taxes I pay. The majority of that money pays for teachers' salaries, pensions and benefits. While I do not have a problem with any teacher earning a good living, what I do have a problem with is that the we pay for the lion share of their pensions and benefits. Not only do they get their benefits paid for life, but, after they retire, they come back as substitute teachers in the same schools they taught in. So, not only do they get their pension and benefits, they get a very nice salary. All from our pockets. Teachers need to start paying their own way and I don't mean the small amount some pay now. I'm talking about at least 75%. There can't be a free ride any more regarding this issue. We, simply, can't afford it. All it's going to take is some board to grow a backbone and tell their union "no more". If they stick to it, more boards will follow. The gravy train is at the end of the line.
Don't even get me started on the money wasted on administrators.
While I understand your frustration, I think you might have Tier I teachers confused with the majority of teachers (who are Tier IV). Tier I does have it pretty good and that's why there are retirement incentives, etc to get them out and have the retire earlier at a lesser salary. There aren't many Tier I (those who started teaching before 1973) left and not to be morbid, but things will change when they die (and don't collect a pension.
When retired teachers come back to sub - they are not getting their salary. Believe me, school money is not being wasted on substitutes.
and I'm not sure why teachers should pay 75% of their benefits. My DH works for a private corporation and doesn't pay 75% for his benefits - no where close! Benefits are one aspect that attracts good teachers, just as my DH's benefits attracted him and are keeping him at his private job.
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
I personally think my taxes are increased to pay for all those scandals for money "disappearing" by corruption in school districts, etc..
When I hear on the news that a superintedent, school person, office executive took $250K, $2M.... someone has to pay. The money is gone. Where do they get the money back? My taxes! Then it's on to the next scandal. Someone who did not use the funds properly, went on "field trips" that was never authorized. Executive meeting eating lobster at my expense.
It is unbelievable that with the amount of money we pay in taxes we hear that school programs are being cut.
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
Posted by SweetTooth
Why do I think the taxes are so high? Its 100% because of school taxes. If you look at the breakdown of your tax bill, you'll see the taxes for police are a very small part.
School taxes are 60%+ of the tax bill. Do we have good schools, yes. But there are other parts of the state/country that have good schools and the taxes aren't as high. Part of it is because the teacher salaries here are higher than in other parts of the country. Do I think teachers should get paid less, no.
What I do have a problem with is the school districts with only a few thousand kids who have superintendents, ***'t supers and other admins making six digits. What I think should happen is consolidation of school districts on LI with only one set of administrators. NYC has only ONE set of administrators that handles HUNDREDS of schools with a million kids. And gets paid a lot less than his couterpart on LI.
If we were to consolidate you'd definitely see a decrease in taxes. There was an article in the paper about this yesterday. Moriches and Center Moriches SDs are trying to get this done and the taxes for residents in those two districts will go down if the merger is succesful.
OMG!! I have a problem with this and so much being said here.
Consolidating schools would be one of the worst things we can do here on LI. If you like the way it is in the city than move there! Do you know what **** the city school system is like? Even if you live a "good" neighborhood. I work there, I know. The biggest problem with the city school system is that it is too big.
Most districts have very little in the way of updated books, technology and other supplies. Yes there's lower salaries for teachers but there is also a HUGE turnover rate. The city does not attract the best and the brightest teachers.
Why do you think that the lowest paying districts in LI also have the highest turnover rate?
The teachers that work on LI would also like to live here. How can they do that if you lowered their salaries? My DH only became a teacher because he knew he could make living doing that. If that suddenly changed because as some of you said the board finally stopped giving the teachers their deserved salaries then we would have to move or DH would have to find a new profession. And then the district would end up finding a less qualified person to take what would then be a crappy job.
If you have a problem with your neighborhood taxes then I suggest you start comparing your neighborhood with another that has lower taxes. I am sure you would be much happier where you are.
Higher taxes generally = higher quality neighborhoods.
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
i agree 100%
and really, let's stop the teacher bashing. it's so easy to talk trash about someone's profession especially when you're not 100% on your facts.
do we really want LI schools becoming like the city? teacher turnover rate in the city is huge and is minimal on LI. the city schools are so poorly run--one person is CLEARLY not enough to handle such a large district. why do you think the city schools have such problems????? there's no management! and the supplies are nonexistant!
and teachers in my district pay up to 25% of their health insurance. how many private companies require their workers to pay that? i don't get a matching 401k like my husband. i pay it with my own salary.
if you REALLY want to lower your school taxes, get rid of the ridiculous amounts of "assistant superintendents". some districts have 10+ assistants who make 3 times a teacher's salary EACH.
and i DON'T want my great district where i live consolidating with lesser districts that surround me. i would move in a heartbeat if that happened. we wouldn't necessarily be consolidating with districts that are equal to the ones we live in now. i bought my home mainly for the excellent school district. there's a town right next to mine that has beautiful homes but a c rappy district. wouldn't ever live there.
do i wish my taxes were lower? of course! but when i went to college i knew i wanted to become a teacher. i knew i wouldn't be rich. i knew i would have a hard time buying a house. but i did it because it's what i wanted to do and the benefits were great. you all joined the profession you did for the same reason. now imagine that people who know NOTHING about your job start bashing it and taking away everything that you are entitled to.
threads like this REALLY irritate me when they become teacher/district bashing sessions. and if you think we make such great money and have such wonderful benefits BECOME A TEACHER YOURSELF!!!!!!! you'll soon realize it's not what you imagined it to be!
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
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Posted by Maathy317
Why are taxes so high? In two words, school districts. My school taxes are 62% of the total taxes I pay. The majority of that money pays for teachers' salaries, pensions and benefits. While I do not have a problem with any teacher earning a good living, what I do have a problem with is that the we pay for the lion share of their pensions and benefits. Not only do they get their benefits paid for life, but, after they retire, they come back as substitute teachers in the same schools they taught in. So, not only do they get their pension and benefits, they get a very nice salary. All from our pockets. Teachers need to start paying their own way and I don't mean the small amount some pay now. I'm talking about at least 75%. There can't be a free ride any more regarding this issue. We, simply, can't afford it. All it's going to take is some board to grow a backbone and tell their union "no more". If they stick to it, more boards will follow. The gravy train is at the end of the line.
Don't even get me started on the money wasted on administrators.
i'm a teacher in NJ and i agree with this! i would have no problem paying for more of my benefits. my parents own their own business and i see what they have to pay for health insurance out of their pockets, and i beleive us teachers are too spoiled with having most of out benefits paid for. pretty much every other job has to chip in for their benefits, why shouldn't we?? there are families in my town that are having trouble affording their own medical care, why should they have to pay for mine, too out of their taxes??
i think unions are great for a lot of things ( there have been some problems with a parent in my district, and the union has really looked out for the teachers involved) but sometimes they can get too demanding... its like " i just want to do my job!" LOL
LOL just wanted to let ya know not all teachers are bratty and demanding more and more 
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
Posted by create
My husband is a teacher 5 years on the job with a masters in education. He makes $63 thousand a year before taxes. We rent and live in someones basement. We joke and say he should of become a cop at least we would have a lovely home, or any home for that matter.
Are you saying $63,000 is a low salary?? I have worked at my job for seven years, received several promotions, am the number two person in my office, and still make less than that working at a private education corporation. I would love to be making $63,000 after 5 years without having to take on additional job responsibilities. Plus you have the best benefits, which cost a lot less than my benefits.
And I know people say that teaching is the hardest job. I don't think that it is easy, but my job is hard too. You have students to educate, I have students to educate, you have goals to meet, I have goals to meet.
Back to the topic at hand, I don't mind paying the high taxes on my house (which by the way I bought when DH and I only made around $63,000 combined--and paid over $300K for), because I truly believe we have the best schools in the nation. But I am sick of hearing teachers complain about salaries.
Just my two cents! Feel free to flame away.
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
Posted by charon54
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My husband is a teacher 5 years on the job with a masters in education. He makes $63 thousand a year before taxes. We rent and live in someones basement. We joke and say he should of become a cop at least we would have a lovely home, or any home for that matter.
Are you saying $63,000 is a low salary?? I have worked at my job for seven years, received several promotions, am the number two person in my office, and still make less than that working at a private education corporation. I would love to be making $63,000 after 5 years without having to take on additional job responsibilities. Plus you have the best benefits, which cost a lot less than my benefits.
And I know people say that teaching is the hardest job. I don't think that it is easy, but my job is hard too. You have students to educate, I have students to educate, you have goals to meet, I have goals to meet.
Back to the topic at hand, I don't mind paying the high taxes, because I truly believe we have the best schools in the nation. But I am sick of hearing teachers complain about salaries.
Just my two cents! Feel free to flame away.
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I make less then 63K I live in a nice home.
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
Posted by browneyedgirl
i agree 100%
and really, let's stop the teacher bashing. it's so easy to talk trash about someone's profession especially when you're not 100% on your facts.
do we really want LI schools becoming like the city? teacher turnover rate in the city is huge and is minimal on LI. the city schools are so poorly run--one person is CLEARLY not enough to handle such a large district. why do you think the city schools have such problems????? there's no management! and the supplies are nonexistant!
and teachers in my district pay up to 25% of their health insurance. how many private companies require their workers to pay that? i don't get a matching 401k like my husband. i pay it with my own salary.
if you REALLY want to lower your school taxes, get rid of the ridiculous amounts of "assistant superintendents". some districts have 10+ assistants who make 3 times a teacher's salary EACH.
and i DON'T want my great district where i live consolidating with lesser districts that surround me. i would move in a heartbeat if that happened. we wouldn't necessarily be consolidating with districts that are equal to the ones we live in now. i bought my home mainly for the excellent school district. there's a town right next to mine that has beautiful homes but a c rappy district. wouldn't ever live there.
do i wish my taxes were lower? of course! but when i went to college i knew i wanted to become a teacher. i knew i wouldn't be rich. i knew i would have a hard time buying a house. but i did it because it's what i wanted to do and the benefits were great. you all joined the profession you did for the same reason. now imagine that people who know NOTHING about your job start bashing it and taking away everything that you are entitled to.
threads like this REALLY irritate me when they become teacher/district bashing sessions. and if you think we make such great money and have such wonderful benefits BECOME A TEACHER YOURSELF!!!!!!! you'll soon realize it's not what you imagined it to be!
first of all I know roughly what towns most of the people live in that responded they would like to see consolidation & I know myself & at least a couple of others live in districts here on LI that would get bashed by someone like you. Our taxes are ALL too high & if you think SD#20 is worth 12k a year for a 100 yr old house on a 40x90 that's sweet for you but I personally don't think ANY district or town on LI is worth that. Not with the corruption & thievery that is going on with the school boards and the administration. As for teachers paying their share of health benefits-they should!!! And don't compare it to the private sector because its totally different. I don't see any teachers here jumping in to mention the other great perk besides all of the free benefits-having summers off as well as every holiday known to man. There always have been & always will be a million people lined up to be teachers on LI. It is a great job & I think 99% of the teachers working on LI are awesome & do give it their all, I'm thankful for that.
However something has to change with the way we are being taxed here. It is a fact the older generation as well as the younger are leaving in droves. The only reason why the population hasn't decreased dramatically is because of the huge increase in immigrants...many of whom unfortunately aren't paying ANY taxes. Forcing more burden on those of us that are left. I say all the teachers keep their jobs & make 4-5 disctricts in Nassau, 6-7 in suffolk. Lets get rid of ALL of those asst supers, all of that clerical staff, most of those corrupt school board members.
Its a great concept that works very well in several states across this great land.
And what is so krappy about the district next to yours? does it rate poorly? if so that is even a better reason to consolidate, as a teacher surely you must be in favor of all children getting a great, fair education. Consolidation would afford us an opportunity to select the admin & supers that performed the best to run our districts, giving many more children a chance at an outstanding education.
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And BTW we are not alone in feeling consolidation is needed, its being talked about vigorously on several other boards I frequent.
Here's a link to one
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
Posted by KellyFG
first of all I know roughly what towns most of the people live in that responded they would like to see consolidation & I know myself & at least a couple of others live in districts here on LI that would get bashed by someone like you. Our taxes are ALL too high & if you think SD#20 is worth 12k a year for a 100 yr old house on a 40x90 that's sweet for you but I personally don't think ANY district or town on LI is worth that. Not with the corruption & thievery that is going on with the school boards and the administration. As for teachers paying their share of health benefits-they should!!! And don't compare it to the private sector because its totally different. I don't see any teachers here jumping in to mention the other great perk besides all of the free benefits-having summers off as well as every holiday known to man. There always have been & always will be a million people lined up to be teachers on LI. It is a great job & I think 99% of the teachers working on LI are awesome & do give it their all, I'm thankful for that.
However something has to change with the way we are being taxed here. It is a fact the older generation as well as the younger are leaving in droves. The only reason why the population hasn't decreased dramatically is because of the huge increase in immigrants...many of whom unfortunately aren't paying ANY taxes. Forcing more burden on those of us that are left. I say all the teachers keep their jobs & make 4-5 disctricts in Nassau, 6-7 in suffolk. Lets get rid of ALL of those asst supers, all of that clerical staff, most of those corrupt school board members.
Its a great concept that works very well in several states across this great land.
And what is so krappy about the district next to yours? does it rate poorly? if so that is even a better reason to consolidate, as a teacher surely you must be in favor of all children getting a great, fair education. Consolidation would afford us an opportunity to select the admin & supers that performed the best to run our districts, giving many more children a chance at an outstanding education.
that's a little creepy to keep tabs on where people live. considering i don't know you, i don't want you "keeping track" of where i live. yes, my 12K taxes are WORTH it because my kids will get an excellent education, we have our own police force and many other wonderful services. if i didn't want to pay these taxes i wouldn't live here. and yes, the district next to mine is crappy as ever and i don't want my kids associated with that district. and i have great reasons for feeling this way. i moved to my district because of the great education and i don't want it ruined. and don't tell me what i should be in favor of--thanks but i can think for myself and speak for myself. and no one has the opportunity to select administration and superintendents--that's the board's job.
and if you don't think i should compare a teacher's job to the private sector then DON'T do it to teachers!!!! don't compare our days off, salary, benefits, etc to corporations and private jobs--which is exactly what you're doing.
my taxes are high but they're worth every penny.
i'll say it again--if you think teachers have such wonderful jobs, become a teacher yourself.
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
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Posted by KellyFG
first of all I know roughly what towns most of the people live in that responded they would like to see consolidation & I know myself & at least a couple of others live in districts here on LI that would get bashed by someone like you. Our taxes are ALL too high & if you think SD#20 is worth 12k a year for a 100 yr old house on a 40x90 that's sweet for you but I personally don't think ANY district or town on LI is worth that. Not with the corruption & thievery that is going on with the school boards and the administration. As for teachers paying their share of health benefits-they should!!! And don't compare it to the private sector because its totally different. I don't see any teachers here jumping in to mention the other great perk besides all of the free benefits-having summers off as well as every holiday known to man. There always have been & always will be a million people lined up to be teachers on LI. It is a great job & I think 99% of the teachers working on LI are awesome & do give it their all, I'm thankful for that.
However something has to change with the way we are being taxed here. It is a fact the older generation as well as the younger are leaving in droves. The only reason why the population hasn't decreased dramatically is because of the huge increase in immigrants...many of whom unfortunately aren't paying ANY taxes. Forcing more burden on those of us that are left. I say all the teachers keep their jobs & make 4-5 disctricts in Nassau, 6-7 in suffolk. Lets get rid of ALL of those asst supers, all of that clerical staff, most of those corrupt school board members.
Its a great concept that works very well in several states across this great land.
And what is so krappy about the district next to yours? does it rate poorly? if so that is even a better reason to consolidate, as a teacher surely you must be in favor of all children getting a great, fair education. Consolidation would afford us an opportunity to select the admin & supers that performed the best to run our districts, giving many more children a chance at an outstanding education.
that's a little creepy to keep tabs on where people live. considering i don't know you, i don't want you "keeping track" of where i live. yes, my 12K taxes are WORTH it because my kids will get an excellent education, we have our own police force and many other wonderful services. if i didn't want to pay these taxes i wouldn't live here. and yes, the district next to mine is crappy as ever and i don't want my kids associated with that district. and i have great reasons for feeling this way. i moved to my district because of the great education and i don't want it ruined. and don't tell me what i should be in favor of--thanks but i can think for myself and speak for myself. and no one has the opportunity to select administration and superintendents--that's the board's job.
and if you don't think i should compare a teacher's job to the private sector then DON'T do it to teachers!!!! don't compare our days off, salary, benefits, etc to corporations and private jobs--which is exactly what you're doing.
my taxes are high but they're worth every penny.
i'll say it again--if you think teachers have such wonderful jobs, become a teacher yourself.
I'm glad you are happy paying the taxes you pay. You are unreasonably irate in this entire thread, I find that a little creepy And I know "where" people live because many of us have been "hanging out" here together dishing about our homes for several years, I try to pay attention to what other people talk about, not just what I have to say. I know where you live because my husband's daughter lives there too,(you & I have have "discussed" this in prior threads sorry if you don't recall) so you see a portion of my income goes to those monster taxes whether I like it or not & honestly & I'm not THAT impressed with the district now that she's in middle school.
Having raised a child that was in special ed (he's now 20) I have genuine appreciation & respect for teachers, I stated that already. I also feel being a member of the PTA for almost 15 years & being an extremely active parent gives me some insight into our current state of affairs in education and I feel there is room for improvement & a major overhall is in order. I am not alone in this thinking, if you disagree I respect that.
People bash my profession(in fact people in my field had the highest suicide rate for nearly 20 years) because people always say "they hate us", whatever it is what it is. I'm not running around telling everyone, try my job if you think its so easy. That's a pretty juvenile stance to take.
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
I really don't think school consolidation would work. It would create a huge mess!
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
Posted by KellyFG
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Posted by KellyFG
first of all I know roughly what towns most of the people live in that responded they would like to see consolidation & I know myself & at least a couple of others live in districts here on LI that would get bashed by someone like you. Our taxes are ALL too high & if you think SD#20 is worth 12k a year for a 100 yr old house on a 40x90 that's sweet for you but I personally don't think ANY district or town on LI is worth that. Not with the corruption & thievery that is going on with the school boards and the administration. As for teachers paying their share of health benefits-they should!!! And don't compare it to the private sector because its totally different. I don't see any teachers here jumping in to mention the other great perk besides all of the free benefits-having summers off as well as every holiday known to man. There always have been & always will be a million people lined up to be teachers on LI. It is a great job & I think 99% of the teachers working on LI are awesome & do give it their all, I'm thankful for that.
However something has to change with the way we are being taxed here. It is a fact the older generation as well as the younger are leaving in droves. The only reason why the population hasn't decreased dramatically is because of the huge increase in immigrants...many of whom unfortunately aren't paying ANY taxes. Forcing more burden on those of us that are left. I say all the teachers keep their jobs & make 4-5 disctricts in Nassau, 6-7 in suffolk. Lets get rid of ALL of those asst supers, all of that clerical staff, most of those corrupt school board members.
Its a great concept that works very well in several states across this great land.
And what is so krappy about the district next to yours? does it rate poorly? if so that is even a better reason to consolidate, as a teacher surely you must be in favor of all children getting a great, fair education. Consolidation would afford us an opportunity to select the admin & supers that performed the best to run our districts, giving many more children a chance at an outstanding education.
that's a little creepy to keep tabs on where people live. considering i don't know you, i don't want you "keeping track" of where i live. yes, my 12K taxes are WORTH it because my kids will get an excellent education, we have our own police force and many other wonderful services. if i didn't want to pay these taxes i wouldn't live here. and yes, the district next to mine is crappy as ever and i don't want my kids associated with that district. and i have great reasons for feeling this way. i moved to my district because of the great education and i don't want it ruined. and don't tell me what i should be in favor of--thanks but i can think for myself and speak for myself. and no one has the opportunity to select administration and superintendents--that's the board's job.
and if you don't think i should compare a teacher's job to the private sector then DON'T do it to teachers!!!! don't compare our days off, salary, benefits, etc to corporations and private jobs--which is exactly what you're doing.
my taxes are high but they're worth every penny.
i'll say it again--if you think teachers have such wonderful jobs, become a teacher yourself.
I'm glad you are happy paying the taxes you pay. You are unreasonably irate in this entire thread, I find that a little creepy And I know "where" people live because many of us have been "hanging out" here together dishing about our homes for several years, I try to pay attention to what other people talk about, not just what I have to say. I know where you live because my husband's daughter lives there too,(you & I have have "discussed" this in prior threads sorry if you don't recall) so you see a portion of my income goes to those monster taxes whether I like it or not & honestly & I'm not THAT impressed with the district now that she's in middle school.
Having raised a child that was in special ed (he's now 20) I have genuine appreciation & respect for teachers, I stated that already. I also feel being a member of the PTA for almost 15 years & being an extremely active parent gives me some insight into our current state of affairs in education and I feel there is room for improvement & a major overhall is in order. I am not alone in this thinking, if you disagree I respect that.
People bash my profession(in fact people in my field had the highest suicide rate for nearly 20 years) because people always say "they hate us", whatever it is what it is. I'm not running around telling everyone, try my job if you think its so easy. That's a pretty juvenile stance to take.
i'm not irate at all  i'm actually quite a nice person! it's hard to read people's "feelings" from writing, so i'm sorry if you feel this way. but i'm definitely not irate--maybe it's just my writing style
i'm sorry people tell you that they hate your job. not sure why they would do that, but now imagine being on chat boards where people bash your profession constantly. i'm sure you can then understand. my point to these people is if you think my job is so cushy, join the profession. i don't think that's juvenile at all. what's juvenile is people assuming that i choose my salary, that i demand certain rights from the board and that i demand holidays off. these perks come with my job and are part of the reason i chose my job. i love everything about it and don't understand why people have to speak so negatively about people who do such good for the community. i would NEVER do that for anyone else's job.
so let's just agree to disagree!
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| Posted 1/19/08 6:44 PM |
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sunnyplus3
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
agreed
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| Posted 1/19/08 7:17 PM |
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SweetestOfPeas
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
I think it's a few reasons
1. WAY too many municipalities! every town (and towns on LI are very small compared with other towns/cities in the rest of the country) has it's own SD. is this really necessary? NO!
2. LI helps to subsidize upstate NY
3. we get the least amount of Federal $ in NYS.
it's CRAP!
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| Posted 1/19/08 10:52 PM |
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MrsRivera
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
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| Posted 1/20/08 12:11 AM |
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MegZee
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
Posted by MrsRivera
Posted by browneyedgirl
but you knew that going into te aching (except if you are a Tier 1 NYC or have been on LI for 30 years) that you wouldnt make 6 figures. but teachers DO deserve to own houses.
and I agree with SweetestofPeas- look at all the news about the water districts. Suffolk county has ONE water district (or maybe a couple?) - Nassau has a ton of water districts. why do we need all that, its the same water!
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| Posted 1/20/08 9:12 AM |
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nov04libride
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
Posted by charon54
Posted by create
My husband is a teacher 5 years on the job with a masters in education. He makes $63 thousand a year before taxes. We rent and live in someones basement. We joke and say he should of become a cop at least we would have a lovely home, or any home for that matter.
Are you saying $63,000 is a low salary?? I have worked at my job for seven years, received several promotions, am the number two person in my office, and still make less than that working at a private education corporation. I would love to be making $63,000 after 5 years without having to take on additional job responsibilities. Plus you have the best benefits, which cost a lot less than my benefits.
And I know people say that teaching is the hardest job. I don't think that it is easy, but my job is hard too. You have students to educate, I have students to educate, you have goals to meet, I have goals to meet.
Back to the topic at hand, I don't mind paying the high taxes on my house (which by the way I bought when DH and I only made around $63,000 combined--and paid over $300K for), because I truly believe we have the best schools in the nation. But I am sick of hearing teachers complain about salaries.
Just my two cents! Feel free to flame away.
ITA. $63,000 is not a bad salary at all after 5 years--that means most families with both spouses working would be over $100,000.
I teach in a college, and the starting professor salaries--which require a DOCTORATE--are a lot less than starting teacher salaries. Plus, it seems like most teachers work during the summer to make additional money--those of us working year-long jobs do not have that luxury.
I'm not saying teachers should be making less...But it does bother me when people point to decent salaries and act like they are living on the streets with that salary.
Message edited 1/20/2008 9:47:45 AM.
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| Posted 1/20/08 9:44 AM |
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SweetTooth
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
Posted by MrsRivera
threads like this REALLY irritate me when they become teacher/district bashing sessions. and if you think we make such great money and have such wonderful benefits BECOME A TEACHER YOURSELF!!!!!!! you'll soon realize it's not what you imagined it to be!
Couldn't have said it any better! I can't stand it when people venture to believe that teachers have "cushy" jobs, just because we have holidays and summers off.
For what I've been dealing with recently (that story could be a thread in and of itself), I should be making 6 figures!
I am not sure where to start the quoting here, because I see this started with my post.
This is what I'd like to say. I WAS A TEACHER FOR THREE YEARS IN TWO LI DISTRICTS. I am NOT TEACHER BASHING. If you read my post, you would see I said I DO NOT THINK teachers should get paid less or get any less days off. I know every one of those days off are needed. I'd also like to add that the job I have now, I am being paid much less than I would have if I was still teaching, I'd be seven years in now. I've been at my job for three years, have earned my masters, and have gotten no raise or recognition. So do I think teching is a cushy job, no of course not, I know first hand how hard it is, why do you think I left? But I also think that many teachers get way to defensive any time something about the costs of SD are brought up. Teachers here get paid very well. There is no way that can be argued.
My beef is with the number of administrators on LI. AND I do not think that all of LI should consolidate into one district, I think that some of the smaller districts should consolidate, there is no reason there should be a superintendent making $250,000 a year for a district with 4 or 5 thousand kids. I was simply comparing the salaries of the administrators of these small districts to the job the NYC chancellor does for less pay. Its these admins who have the cushy jobs, not the teachers.
And if you want to argue with that, if you think your admin deserves to get paid that much and get all the perks, well then I guess I have nothing to say.
And furthermore, I live in a district many would "bash" and say is mediocre. Its not one of those districts people on here would say is great, they would say, "well its ok, but I wouldn't want to live there."
So please stop taking your frustrations out on me and don't accuse of things that aren't true. Thank you.
Message edited 1/20/2008 9:53:27 AM.
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| Posted 1/20/08 9:48 AM |
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mdn13
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Re: Why do you think the taxes on LI are so high?
I don't remember who posted it, but someone said that "there wiil always be teachers wiling to work on LI" That may be true now but if you change the way things are now it will become just like NYC and other states which is always desperately trying to find qualified teachers and not finding them. If you saw some of the people I work with in NYC, its frightening. The same holds true for the administration.
Bottom line is if you don't like the taxes here- move! If you are so envious of teacher benefits, then become a teacher.
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| Posted 1/20/08 11:54 AM |
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