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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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I think you'd have to have your head buried pretty far in the sand to have any sense of security these days. Obviously there is no fool proof solution but you can focus only on the shortcomings of the precautions available or you can be grateful for the small bit of protection they do provide. Maybe that temperature check is going to stop the asshole that knows they're sick but would normally go to the gym anyway even if it's not catching the person that's going to get sick tomorrow. I have no false sense of security but I don't get why people want to only focus on the limitations of what we can reasonably do as if we shouldn't even bother.
These are being used as screenings. They are obviously not foolproof, but they allow you to catch some people who might otherwise slip through the cracks.
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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what type of test are they requiring ? Saliva or the one that goes up the nose ?
We're in suffolk and the district said the country is giving them the Binax now rapid tests. They said it only swabs the lower part of the nostrils.
To answer the original question, yes I would allow my kids to be tested. I would most likely arrange to be present the first time and as long as they do fine if let them be tested without me there in the future.
The thing is false negatives are super super common on those rapid tests so another false sense of security.
But logic and sense seem to be out the window so nothing surprises me.
But we're talking kids without symptoms so they're not using it to test sick kids or anything (although my ped used the same test when dd was sick). At best, they'll catch a few asymptomatic cases while still proving the number in schools is low so they can stay open.
I get it but if it's giving false negatives often which it is notorious for, then really what's the point?. Several people I know were negative on the rapid and positive on the real test. Doesn't matter if you are testing well children the point of testing those well children is to accurately find asymptomatic cases because most kids who have it don't really show symptoms anyway. If a test is not reliable why use it?
But hey if it floats the state boat to do this so they feel like they are doing something have at it.
Well, again since these are supposedly healthy individuals, the pcr test isn't going to do anything to help bc they're not going to quarantine until they get the results. So they'd be exposing everyone at school for several days anyway. No, the rapid test is not perfect but it's better than nothing. DH has been exposed by numerous students as have almost all of his colleagues so I appreciate any precautions that can be taken to limit that without having to shut down schools entirely.
Trust me, I'll do ANYTHING to keep schools open. There is nothing I won't do.
I'm just pointing out that so much of this is false senses of security and doesn't make much sense.
Another example is temperature checks to get in to certain places. So many people have no fever when they are positive. Or they don't have a fever YET.
But DH has to have his temperature taken every time he walks in the gym. So everyone has a false sense of security when he could in fact be typhoid Mary but not have a fever.
I think you'd have to have your head buried pretty far in the sand to have any sense of security these days. Obviously there is no fool proof solution but you can focus only on the shortcomings of the precautions available or you can be grateful for the small bit of protection they do provide. Maybe that temperature check is going to stop the asshole that knows they're sick but would normally go to the gym anyway even if it's not catching the person that's going to get sick tomorrow. I have no false sense of security but I don't get why people want to only focus on the limitations of what we can reasonably do as if we shouldn't even bother.
I guess because it's super frustrating and people are getting fatigued by it.
People don't always think rationally or look on the bright side when their mental health is suffering and they are becoming jaded.
It may not be the best way to think of course, but there is no rhyme or reason to people's reactions when this has been going on for almost a year with no end in site.
Rationality and positive thinking sometimes goes out the window
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by MrsT809
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Posted by MrsT809
Posted by MrsA1012
what type of test are they requiring ? Saliva or the one that goes up the nose ?
We're in suffolk and the district said the country is giving them the Binax now rapid tests. They said it only swabs the lower part of the nostrils.
To answer the original question, yes I would allow my kids to be tested. I would most likely arrange to be present the first time and as long as they do fine if let them be tested without me there in the future.
The thing is false negatives are super super common on those rapid tests so another false sense of security.
But logic and sense seem to be out the window so nothing surprises me.
But we're talking kids without symptoms so they're not using it to test sick kids or anything (although my ped used the same test when dd was sick). At best, they'll catch a few asymptomatic cases while still proving the number in schools is low so they can stay open.
I get it but if it's giving false negatives often which it is notorious for, then really what's the point?. Several people I know were negative on the rapid and positive on the real test. Doesn't matter if you are testing well children the point of testing those well children is to accurately find asymptomatic cases because most kids who have it don't really show symptoms anyway. If a test is not reliable why use it?
But hey if it floats the state boat to do this so they feel like they are doing something have at it.
Well, again since these are supposedly healthy individuals, the pcr test isn't going to do anything to help bc they're not going to quarantine until they get the results. So they'd be exposing everyone at school for several days anyway. No, the rapid test is not perfect but it's better than nothing. DH has been exposed by numerous students as have almost all of his colleagues so I appreciate any precautions that can be taken to limit that without having to shut down schools entirely.
Trust me, I'll do ANYTHING to keep schools open. There is nothing I won't do.
I'm just pointing out that so much of this is false senses of security and doesn't make much sense.
Another example is temperature checks to get in to certain places. So many people have no fever when they are positive. Or they don't have a fever YET.
But DH has to have his temperature taken every time he walks in the gym. So everyone has a false sense of security when he could in fact be typhoid Mary but not have a fever.
I think you'd have to have your head buried pretty far in the sand to have any sense of security these days. Obviously there is no fool proof solution but you can focus only on the shortcomings of the precautions available or you can be grateful for the small bit of protection they do provide. Maybe that temperature check is going to stop the asshole that knows they're sick but would normally go to the gym anyway even if it's not catching the person that's going to get sick tomorrow. I have no false sense of security but I don't get why people want to only focus on the limitations of what we can reasonably do as if we shouldn't even bother.
No one thinks this is going to make us all safe. We're actually saying the exact opposite. Schools are NOT where the danger is. We already know this, for a fact. Let's stop pretending that this is for the greater good. It's grasping at straws because this is the only place Cuomo can control and he needs to look like he knows what he's doing.
And for goodness sake, why the rapid tests that most small kids are afraid of? Why not the saliva pool testing? Why are we wasting valuable testing resources on locations that we already know are safe?
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by Pomegranate5
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by NervousNell
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Posted by MrsT809
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by MrsA1012
what type of test are they requiring ? Saliva or the one that goes up the nose ?
We're in suffolk and the district said the country is giving them the Binax now rapid tests. They said it only swabs the lower part of the nostrils.
To answer the original question, yes I would allow my kids to be tested. I would most likely arrange to be present the first time and as long as they do fine if let them be tested without me there in the future.
The thing is false negatives are super super common on those rapid tests so another false sense of security.
But logic and sense seem to be out the window so nothing surprises me.
But we're talking kids without symptoms so they're not using it to test sick kids or anything (although my ped used the same test when dd was sick). At best, they'll catch a few asymptomatic cases while still proving the number in schools is low so they can stay open.
I get it but if it's giving false negatives often which it is notorious for, then really what's the point?. Several people I know were negative on the rapid and positive on the real test. Doesn't matter if you are testing well children the point of testing those well children is to accurately find asymptomatic cases because most kids who have it don't really show symptoms anyway. If a test is not reliable why use it?
But hey if it floats the state boat to do this so they feel like they are doing something have at it.
Well, again since these are supposedly healthy individuals, the pcr test isn't going to do anything to help bc they're not going to quarantine until they get the results. So they'd be exposing everyone at school for several days anyway. No, the rapid test is not perfect but it's better than nothing. DH has been exposed by numerous students as have almost all of his colleagues so I appreciate any precautions that can be taken to limit that without having to shut down schools entirely.
Trust me, I'll do ANYTHING to keep schools open. There is nothing I won't do.
I'm just pointing out that so much of this is false senses of security and doesn't make much sense.
Another example is temperature checks to get in to certain places. So many people have no fever when they are positive. Or they don't have a fever YET.
But DH has to have his temperature taken every time he walks in the gym. So everyone has a false sense of security when he could in fact be typhoid Mary but not have a fever.
I think you'd have to have your head buried pretty far in the sand to have any sense of security these days. Obviously there is no fool proof solution but you can focus only on the shortcomings of the precautions available or you can be grateful for the small bit of protection they do provide. Maybe that temperature check is going to stop the asshole that knows they're sick but would normally go to the gym anyway even if it's not catching the person that's going to get sick tomorrow. I have no false sense of security but I don't get why people want to only focus on the limitations of what we can reasonably do as if we shouldn't even bother.
No one thinks this is going to make us all safe. We're actually saying the exact opposite. Schools are NOT where the danger is. We already know this, for a fact. Let's stop pretending that this is for the greater good. It's grasping at straws because this is the only place Cuomo can control and he needs to look like he knows what he's doing.
And for goodness sake, why the rapid tests that most small kids are afraid of? Why not the saliva pool testing? Why are we wasting valuable testing resources on locations that we already know are safe?
Yes that was what I was trying to say, but you said it better.
I feel they are wasting time and resources chasing their tails. Schools are not where this thing spreads. It has been shown time and time again. The infection rate in my district is so miniscule that if the district itself were a country, the pandemic would be declared over. I'm talking a fraction of a percent infection rate.
But yeah, have it. This way Cuomo has something to discuss on his Emmy award winning press conferences.
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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Posted by MrsA1012
what type of test are they requiring ? Saliva or the one that goes up the nose ?
We're in suffolk and the district said the country is giving them the Binax now rapid tests. They said it only swabs the lower part of the nostrils.
To answer the original question, yes I would allow my kids to be tested. I would most likely arrange to be present the first time and as long as they do fine if let them be tested without me there in the future.
The thing is false negatives are super super common on those rapid tests so another false sense of security.
But logic and sense seem to be out the window so nothing surprises me.
But we're talking kids without symptoms so they're not using it to test sick kids or anything (although my ped used the same test when dd was sick). At best, they'll catch a few asymptomatic cases while still proving the number in schools is low so they can stay open.
I get it but if it's giving false negatives often which it is notorious for, then really what's the point?. Several people I know were negative on the rapid and positive on the real test. Doesn't matter if you are testing well children the point of testing those well children is to accurately find asymptomatic cases because most kids who have it don't really show symptoms anyway. If a test is not reliable why use it?
But hey if it floats the state boat to do this so they feel like they are doing something have at it.
Well, again since these are supposedly healthy individuals, the pcr test isn't going to do anything to help bc they're not going to quarantine until they get the results. So they'd be exposing everyone at school for several days anyway. No, the rapid test is not perfect but it's better than nothing. DH has been exposed by numerous students as have almost all of his colleagues so I appreciate any precautions that can be taken to limit that without having to shut down schools entirely.
Trust me, I'll do ANYTHING to keep schools open. There is nothing I won't do.
I'm just pointing out that so much of this is false senses of security and doesn't make much sense.
Another example is temperature checks to get in to certain places. So many people have no fever when they are positive. Or they don't have a fever YET.
But DH has to have his temperature taken every time he walks in the gym. So everyone has a false sense of security when he could in fact be typhoid Mary but not have a fever.
I think you'd have to have your head buried pretty far in the sand to have any sense of security these days. Obviously there is no fool proof solution but you can focus only on the shortcomings of the precautions available or you can be grateful for the small bit of protection they do provide. Maybe that temperature check is going to stop the asshole that knows they're sick but would normally go to the gym anyway even if it's not catching the person that's going to get sick tomorrow. I have no false sense of security but I don't get why people want to only focus on the limitations of what we can reasonably do as if we shouldn't even bother.
No one thinks this is going to make us all safe. We're actually saying the exact opposite. Schools are NOT where the danger is. We already know this, for a fact. Let's stop pretending that this is for the greater good. It's grasping at straws because this is the only place Cuomo can control and he needs to look like he knows what he's doing.
And for goodness sake, why the rapid tests that most small kids are afraid of? Why not the saliva pool testing? Why are we wasting valuable testing resources on locations that we already know are safe?
If your kid is terrified then you don't have to volunteer them. Saliva tests are even less accurate than the rapid test. As for pooled testing, I know a teacher who is currently on quarantine waiting for individual results bc her pool came up positive so that adds a whole additional staffing and quarantining complication for schools.
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by MrsT809
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Posted by MrsT809
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by MrsT809
Posted by MrsA1012
what type of test are they requiring ? Saliva or the one that goes up the nose ?
We're in suffolk and the district said the country is giving them the Binax now rapid tests. They said it only swabs the lower part of the nostrils.
To answer the original question, yes I would allow my kids to be tested. I would most likely arrange to be present the first time and as long as they do fine if let them be tested without me there in the future.
The thing is false negatives are super super common on those rapid tests so another false sense of security.
But logic and sense seem to be out the window so nothing surprises me.
But we're talking kids without symptoms so they're not using it to test sick kids or anything (although my ped used the same test when dd was sick). At best, they'll catch a few asymptomatic cases while still proving the number in schools is low so they can stay open.
I get it but if it's giving false negatives often which it is notorious for, then really what's the point?. Several people I know were negative on the rapid and positive on the real test. Doesn't matter if you are testing well children the point of testing those well children is to accurately find asymptomatic cases because most kids who have it don't really show symptoms anyway. If a test is not reliable why use it?
But hey if it floats the state boat to do this so they feel like they are doing something have at it.
Well, again since these are supposedly healthy individuals, the pcr test isn't going to do anything to help bc they're not going to quarantine until they get the results. So they'd be exposing everyone at school for several days anyway. No, the rapid test is not perfect but it's better than nothing. DH has been exposed by numerous students as have almost all of his colleagues so I appreciate any precautions that can be taken to limit that without having to shut down schools entirely.
Trust me, I'll do ANYTHING to keep schools open. There is nothing I won't do.
I'm just pointing out that so much of this is false senses of security and doesn't make much sense.
Another example is temperature checks to get in to certain places. So many people have no fever when they are positive. Or they don't have a fever YET.
But DH has to have his temperature taken every time he walks in the gym. So everyone has a false sense of security when he could in fact be typhoid Mary but not have a fever.
I think you'd have to have your head buried pretty far in the sand to have any sense of security these days. Obviously there is no fool proof solution but you can focus only on the shortcomings of the precautions available or you can be grateful for the small bit of protection they do provide. Maybe that temperature check is going to stop the asshole that knows they're sick but would normally go to the gym anyway even if it's not catching the person that's going to get sick tomorrow. I have no false sense of security but I don't get why people want to only focus on the limitations of what we can reasonably do as if we shouldn't even bother.
No one thinks this is going to make us all safe. We're actually saying the exact opposite. Schools are NOT where the danger is. We already know this, for a fact. Let's stop pretending that this is for the greater good. It's grasping at straws because this is the only place Cuomo can control and he needs to look like he knows what he's doing.
And for goodness sake, why the rapid tests that most small kids are afraid of? Why not the saliva pool testing? Why are we wasting valuable testing resources on locations that we already know are safe?
If your kid is terrified then you don't have to volunteer them. Saliva tests are even less accurate than the rapid test. As for pooled testing, I know a teacher who is currently on quarantine waiting for individual results bc her pool came up positive so that adds a whole additional staffing and quarantining complication for schools.
And if everyone says their kid is terrified, then what? We close down? My DH and I both work FT outside of the house. And all of this over testing in a place where COVID is not an issue!! WE KNOW THIS.
Pool testing serves a very important purpose and if each class or cohort was tested together not much would change as far as quarantining. The fact is, they are quarantining the entire class if one child is positive. Regardless of "close" contact.
You speak as if we REALLY know the accuracy of the rapid tests. We don't. Why is one false sense of security any better than another? Who is deciding this?
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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Posted by MrsA1012
what type of test are they requiring ? Saliva or the one that goes up the nose ?
We're in suffolk and the district said the country is giving them the Binax now rapid tests. They said it only swabs the lower part of the nostrils.
To answer the original question, yes I would allow my kids to be tested. I would most likely arrange to be present the first time and as long as they do fine if let them be tested without me there in the future.
The thing is false negatives are super super common on those rapid tests so another false sense of security.
But logic and sense seem to be out the window so nothing surprises me.
But we're talking kids without symptoms so they're not using it to test sick kids or anything (although my ped used the same test when dd was sick). At best, they'll catch a few asymptomatic cases while still proving the number in schools is low so they can stay open.
I get it but if it's giving false negatives often which it is notorious for, then really what's the point?. Several people I know were negative on the rapid and positive on the real test. Doesn't matter if you are testing well children the point of testing those well children is to accurately find asymptomatic cases because most kids who have it don't really show symptoms anyway. If a test is not reliable why use it?
But hey if it floats the state boat to do this so they feel like they are doing something have at it.
Well, again since these are supposedly healthy individuals, the pcr test isn't going to do anything to help bc they're not going to quarantine until they get the results. So they'd be exposing everyone at school for several days anyway. No, the rapid test is not perfect but it's better than nothing. DH has been exposed by numerous students as have almost all of his colleagues so I appreciate any precautions that can be taken to limit that without having to shut down schools entirely.
Trust me, I'll do ANYTHING to keep schools open. There is nothing I won't do.
I'm just pointing out that so much of this is false senses of security and doesn't make much sense.
Another example is temperature checks to get in to certain places. So many people have no fever when they are positive. Or they don't have a fever YET.
But DH has to have his temperature taken every time he walks in the gym. So everyone has a false sense of security when he could in fact be typhoid Mary but not have a fever.
I think you'd have to have your head buried pretty far in the sand to have any sense of security these days. Obviously there is no fool proof solution but you can focus only on the shortcomings of the precautions available or you can be grateful for the small bit of protection they do provide. Maybe that temperature check is going to stop the asshole that knows they're sick but would normally go to the gym anyway even if it's not catching the person that's going to get sick tomorrow. I have no false sense of security but I don't get why people want to only focus on the limitations of what we can reasonably do as if we shouldn't even bother.
No one thinks this is going to make us all safe. We're actually saying the exact opposite. Schools are NOT where the danger is. We already know this, for a fact. Let's stop pretending that this is for the greater good. It's grasping at straws because this is the only place Cuomo can control and he needs to look like he knows what he's doing.
And for goodness sake, why the rapid tests that most small kids are afraid of? Why not the saliva pool testing? Why are we wasting valuable testing resources on locations that we already know are safe?
If your kid is terrified then you don't have to volunteer them. Saliva tests are even less accurate than the rapid test. As for pooled testing, I know a teacher who is currently on quarantine waiting for individual results bc her pool came up positive so that adds a whole additional staffing and quarantining complication for schools.
And if everyone says their kid is terrified, then what? We close down? My DH and I both work FT outside of the house. And all of this over testing in a place where COVID is not an issue!! WE KNOW THIS.
Pool testing serves a very important purpose and if each class or cohort was tested together not much would change as far as quarantining. The fact is, they are quarantining the entire class if one child is positive. Regardless of "close" contact.
You speak as if we REALLY know the accuracy of the rapid tests. We don't. Why is one false sense of security any better than another? Who is deciding this?
Unfortunately, yes if they don't get 20% (or 30% if we hit a higher than yellow zone) then we shut down. That's part of why I don't get why people run around trying to convince others not to volunteer. If we had a shortage of tests here i would think differently but we don't. We have plenty of tests and increasing case numbers, hospitalizations, and deaths. My hope is that the majority of high school students will suck it up and get tested bc that's where the spread is happening more and they are not quarantining whole classes in most cases. If people didn't have such a big resistance to testing and precautions maybe we wouldn't still be in this mess with 2000 deaths a day expected to more than triple by Christmas.
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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Posted by MrsA1012
what type of test are they requiring ? Saliva or the one that goes up the nose ?
We're in suffolk and the district said the country is giving them the Binax now rapid tests. They said it only swabs the lower part of the nostrils.
To answer the original question, yes I would allow my kids to be tested. I would most likely arrange to be present the first time and as long as they do fine if let them be tested without me there in the future.
The thing is false negatives are super super common on those rapid tests so another false sense of security.
But logic and sense seem to be out the window so nothing surprises me.
But we're talking kids without symptoms so they're not using it to test sick kids or anything (although my ped used the same test when dd was sick). At best, they'll catch a few asymptomatic cases while still proving the number in schools is low so they can stay open.
I get it but if it's giving false negatives often which it is notorious for, then really what's the point?. Several people I know were negative on the rapid and positive on the real test. Doesn't matter if you are testing well children the point of testing those well children is to accurately find asymptomatic cases because most kids who have it don't really show symptoms anyway. If a test is not reliable why use it?
But hey if it floats the state boat to do this so they feel like they are doing something have at it.
Well, again since these are supposedly healthy individuals, the pcr test isn't going to do anything to help bc they're not going to quarantine until they get the results. So they'd be exposing everyone at school for several days anyway. No, the rapid test is not perfect but it's better than nothing. DH has been exposed by numerous students as have almost all of his colleagues so I appreciate any precautions that can be taken to limit that without having to shut down schools entirely.
Trust me, I'll do ANYTHING to keep schools open. There is nothing I won't do.
I'm just pointing out that so much of this is false senses of security and doesn't make much sense.
Another example is temperature checks to get in to certain places. So many people have no fever when they are positive. Or they don't have a fever YET.
But DH has to have his temperature taken every time he walks in the gym. So everyone has a false sense of security when he could in fact be typhoid Mary but not have a fever.
I think you'd have to have your head buried pretty far in the sand to have any sense of security these days. Obviously there is no fool proof solution but you can focus only on the shortcomings of the precautions available or you can be grateful for the small bit of protection they do provide. Maybe that temperature check is going to stop the asshole that knows they're sick but would normally go to the gym anyway even if it's not catching the person that's going to get sick tomorrow. I have no false sense of security but I don't get why people want to only focus on the limitations of what we can reasonably do as if we shouldn't even bother.
No one thinks this is going to make us all safe. We're actually saying the exact opposite. Schools are NOT where the danger is. We already know this, for a fact. Let's stop pretending that this is for the greater good. It's grasping at straws because this is the only place Cuomo can control and he needs to look like he knows what he's doing.
And for goodness sake, why the rapid tests that most small kids are afraid of? Why not the saliva pool testing? Why are we wasting valuable testing resources on locations that we already know are safe?
If your kid is terrified then you don't have to volunteer them. Saliva tests are even less accurate than the rapid test. As for pooled testing, I know a teacher who is currently on quarantine waiting for individual results bc her pool came up positive so that adds a whole additional staffing and quarantining complication for schools.
And if everyone says their kid is terrified, then what? We close down? My DH and I both work FT outside of the house. And all of this over testing in a place where COVID is not an issue!! WE KNOW THIS.
Pool testing serves a very important purpose and if each class or cohort was tested together not much would change as far as quarantining. The fact is, they are quarantining the entire class if one child is positive. Regardless of "close" contact.
You speak as if we REALLY know the accuracy of the rapid tests. We don't. Why is one false sense of security any better than another? Who is deciding this?
Unfortunately, yes if they don't get 20% (or 30% if we hit a higher than yellow zone) then we shut down. That's part of why I don't get why people run around trying to convince others not to volunteer. If we had a shortage of tests here i would think differently but we don't. We have plenty of tests and increasing case numbers, hospitalizations, and deaths. My hope is that the majority of high school students will suck it up and get tested bc that's where the spread is happening more and they are not quarantining whole classes in most cases. If people didn't have such a big resistance to testing and precautions maybe we wouldn't still be in this mess with 2000 deaths a day expected to more than triple by Christmas.
No that was rhetorical. I know what will happen.
My point is, why are you trying so hard to support testing where time and data have already proven it's not needed?
Let's test adults. Let's focus our efforts where they will actually make a difference. Cuomo has figured out the key. Just threaten to restrict access to public services. If you're ok with testing at schools, then you will no doubt support these kinds of requirements elsewhere too.
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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what type of test are they requiring ? Saliva or the one that goes up the nose ?
We're in suffolk and the district said the country is giving them the Binax now rapid tests. They said it only swabs the lower part of the nostrils.
To answer the original question, yes I would allow my kids to be tested. I would most likely arrange to be present the first time and as long as they do fine if let them be tested without me there in the future.
The thing is false negatives are super super common on those rapid tests so another false sense of security.
But logic and sense seem to be out the window so nothing surprises me.
But we're talking kids without symptoms so they're not using it to test sick kids or anything (although my ped used the same test when dd was sick). At best, they'll catch a few asymptomatic cases while still proving the number in schools is low so they can stay open.
I get it but if it's giving false negatives often which it is notorious for, then really what's the point?. Several people I know were negative on the rapid and positive on the real test. Doesn't matter if you are testing well children the point of testing those well children is to accurately find asymptomatic cases because most kids who have it don't really show symptoms anyway. If a test is not reliable why use it?
But hey if it floats the state boat to do this so they feel like they are doing something have at it.
Well, again since these are supposedly healthy individuals, the pcr test isn't going to do anything to help bc they're not going to quarantine until they get the results. So they'd be exposing everyone at school for several days anyway. No, the rapid test is not perfect but it's better than nothing. DH has been exposed by numerous students as have almost all of his colleagues so I appreciate any precautions that can be taken to limit that without having to shut down schools entirely.
Trust me, I'll do ANYTHING to keep schools open. There is nothing I won't do.
I'm just pointing out that so much of this is false senses of security and doesn't make much sense.
Another example is temperature checks to get in to certain places. So many people have no fever when they are positive. Or they don't have a fever YET.
But DH has to have his temperature taken every time he walks in the gym. So everyone has a false sense of security when he could in fact be typhoid Mary but not have a fever.
I think you'd have to have your head buried pretty far in the sand to have any sense of security these days. Obviously there is no fool proof solution but you can focus only on the shortcomings of the precautions available or you can be grateful for the small bit of protection they do provide. Maybe that temperature check is going to stop the asshole that knows they're sick but would normally go to the gym anyway even if it's not catching the person that's going to get sick tomorrow. I have no false sense of security but I don't get why people want to only focus on the limitations of what we can reasonably do as if we shouldn't even bother.
No one thinks this is going to make us all safe. We're actually saying the exact opposite. Schools are NOT where the danger is. We already know this, for a fact. Let's stop pretending that this is for the greater good. It's grasping at straws because this is the only place Cuomo can control and he needs to look like he knows what he's doing.
And for goodness sake, why the rapid tests that most small kids are afraid of? Why not the saliva pool testing? Why are we wasting valuable testing resources on locations that we already know are safe?
If your kid is terrified then you don't have to volunteer them. Saliva tests are even less accurate than the rapid test. As for pooled testing, I know a teacher who is currently on quarantine waiting for individual results bc her pool came up positive so that adds a whole additional staffing and quarantining complication for schools.
And if everyone says their kid is terrified, then what? We close down? My DH and I both work FT outside of the house. And all of this over testing in a place where COVID is not an issue!! WE KNOW THIS.
Pool testing serves a very important purpose and if each class or cohort was tested together not much would change as far as quarantining. The fact is, they are quarantining the entire class if one child is positive. Regardless of "close" contact.
You speak as if we REALLY know the accuracy of the rapid tests. We don't. Why is one false sense of security any better than another? Who is deciding this?
Unfortunately, yes if they don't get 20% (or 30% if we hit a higher than yellow zone) then we shut down. That's part of why I don't get why people run around trying to convince others not to volunteer. If we had a shortage of tests here i would think differently but we don't. We have plenty of tests and increasing case numbers, hospitalizations, and deaths. My hope is that the majority of high school students will suck it up and get tested bc that's where the spread is happening more and they are not quarantining whole classes in most cases. If people didn't have such a big resistance to testing and precautions maybe we wouldn't still be in this mess with 2000 deaths a day expected to more than triple by Christmas.
No that was rhetorical. I know what will happen.
My point is, why are you trying so hard to support testing where time and data have already proven it's not needed?
Let's test adults. Let's focus our efforts where they will actually make a difference. Cuomo has figured out the key. Just threaten to restrict access to public services. If you're ok with testing at schools, then you will no doubt support these kinds of requirements elsewhere too.
Testing is needed regardless and you are crazy if you think testing is not needed in schools this winter. Infection rate is low in schools RIGHT NOW because of a variety of factors. How do you know that is going to continue when cases soar past what we saw in the spring? There is no scientist that is going to say the low infection rate in schools is guaranteed to continue with the recent spike and the way to combat that is with testing. "Pandemic Fatigue" is really not an excuse. We are all fatigued.
Look at how Korea managed COVID. They handled the pandemic by activating infectious disease LAW and prioritizing widespread testing and contact tracing. But here in the states (and even on this website) we have people openly and willingly violating the same health laws and willingly breaking mandatory quarantine. And we all wonder why we have "fatigue".
https://undark.org/2020/10/05/south-korea-covid-19-success/
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| Posted 12/2/20 10:37 PM |
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Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Not quoting bc it's getting ridiculous and I'm going to stop debating at this point bc it seems useless and we clearly will not agree.
I disagree that testing is not necessary, especially at the secondary level for a variety of reasons. I also won't agree with the refusal on principal that this will lead to some hypothetical xyz in the future. We don't live in a communist state just bc we're being asked to help protect each other during a pandemic.
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| Posted 12/2/20 10:40 PM |
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Here is some information about what has been going on
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/parents-are-encouraging-others-not-to-test-kids-in-school-for-covid-19
We know that despite any shortcomings, the more testing, the better right now,
Teachers need to be protected; they remain at risk.
Just because schools are not hotspots or superspreading spots doesn't mean that transmission cannot occur.
We even teach our kids that it is irresponsible and unworkable to demand rights without responsibilities.
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| Posted 12/2/20 10:49 PM |
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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Posted by MrsA1012
what type of test are they requiring ? Saliva or the one that goes up the nose ?
We're in suffolk and the district said the country is giving them the Binax now rapid tests. They said it only swabs the lower part of the nostrils.
To answer the original question, yes I would allow my kids to be tested. I would most likely arrange to be present the first time and as long as they do fine if let them be tested without me there in the future.
The thing is false negatives are super super common on those rapid tests so another false sense of security.
But logic and sense seem to be out the window so nothing surprises me.
But we're talking kids without symptoms so they're not using it to test sick kids or anything (although my ped used the same test when dd was sick). At best, they'll catch a few asymptomatic cases while still proving the number in schools is low so they can stay open.
I get it but if it's giving false negatives often which it is notorious for, then really what's the point?. Several people I know were negative on the rapid and positive on the real test. Doesn't matter if you are testing well children the point of testing those well children is to accurately find asymptomatic cases because most kids who have it don't really show symptoms anyway. If a test is not reliable why use it?
But hey if it floats the state boat to do this so they feel like they are doing something have at it.
Well, again since these are supposedly healthy individuals, the pcr test isn't going to do anything to help bc they're not going to quarantine until they get the results. So they'd be exposing everyone at school for several days anyway. No, the rapid test is not perfect but it's better than nothing. DH has been exposed by numerous students as have almost all of his colleagues so I appreciate any precautions that can be taken to limit that without having to shut down schools entirely.
Trust me, I'll do ANYTHING to keep schools open. There is nothing I won't do.
I'm just pointing out that so much of this is false senses of security and doesn't make much sense.
Another example is temperature checks to get in to certain places. So many people have no fever when they are positive. Or they don't have a fever YET.
But DH has to have his temperature taken every time he walks in the gym. So everyone has a false sense of security when he could in fact be typhoid Mary but not have a fever.
I think you'd have to have your head buried pretty far in the sand to have any sense of security these days. Obviously there is no fool proof solution but you can focus only on the shortcomings of the precautions available or you can be grateful for the small bit of protection they do provide. Maybe that temperature check is going to stop the asshole that knows they're sick but would normally go to the gym anyway even if it's not catching the person that's going to get sick tomorrow. I have no false sense of security but I don't get why people want to only focus on the limitations of what we can reasonably do as if we shouldn't even bother.
No one thinks this is going to make us all safe. We're actually saying the exact opposite. Schools are NOT where the danger is. We already know this, for a fact. Let's stop pretending that this is for the greater good. It's grasping at straws because this is the only place Cuomo can control and he needs to look like he knows what he's doing.
And for goodness sake, why the rapid tests that most small kids are afraid of? Why not the saliva pool testing? Why are we wasting valuable testing resources on locations that we already know are safe?
If your kid is terrified then you don't have to volunteer them. Saliva tests are even less accurate than the rapid test. As for pooled testing, I know a teacher who is currently on quarantine waiting for individual results bc her pool came up positive so that adds a whole additional staffing and quarantining complication for schools.
And if everyone says their kid is terrified, then what? We close down? My DH and I both work FT outside of the house. And all of this over testing in a place where COVID is not an issue!! WE KNOW THIS.
Pool testing serves a very important purpose and if each class or cohort was tested together not much would change as far as quarantining. The fact is, they are quarantining the entire class if one child is positive. Regardless of "close" contact.
You speak as if we REALLY know the accuracy of the rapid tests. We don't. Why is one false sense of security any better than another? Who is deciding this?
Unfortunately, yes if they don't get 20% (or 30% if we hit a higher than yellow zone) then we shut down. That's part of why I don't get why people run around trying to convince others not to volunteer. If we had a shortage of tests here i would think differently but we don't. We have plenty of tests and increasing case numbers, hospitalizations, and deaths. My hope is that the majority of high school students will suck it up and get tested bc that's where the spread is happening more and they are not quarantining whole classes in most cases. If people didn't have such a big resistance to testing and precautions maybe we wouldn't still be in this mess with 2000 deaths a day expected to more than triple by Christmas.
No that was rhetorical. I know what will happen.
My point is, why are you trying so hard to support testing where time and data have already proven it's not needed?
Let's test adults. Let's focus our efforts where they will actually make a difference. Cuomo has figured out the key. Just threaten to restrict access to public services. If you're ok with testing at schools, then you will no doubt support these kinds of requirements elsewhere too.
Testing is needed regardless and you are crazy if you think testing is not needed in schools this winter. Infection rate is low in schools RIGHT NOW because of a variety of factors. How do you know that is going to continue when cases soar past what we saw in the spring? There is no scientist that is going to say the low infection rate in schools is guaranteed to continue with the recent spike and the way to combat that is with testing. "Pandemic Fatigue" is really not an excuse. We are all fatigued.
Look at how Korea managed COVID. They handled the pandemic by activating infectious disease LAW and prioritizing widespread testing and contact tracing. But here in the states (and even on this website) we have people openly and willingly violating the same health laws and willingly breaking mandatory quarantine. And we all wonder why we have "fatigue".
https://undark.org/2020/10/05/south-korea-covid-19-success/
If you had read, you would see that I did not say that Pandemic Fatigue it the reason we shouldn't test. Or an excuse for not getting your kid tested. I said test away. Have at it. I'm fine with it to keep school open.
I used pandemic fatigue in response to someone asking why people are constantly looking at the downfalls and negatives and the false senses of security etc. rather than the positives of how we are doing what we can even though it's not perfect. My response was that people don't always think positively or look on the bright side when their mental health is suffering due to pandemic fatigue.
And nobody here has said they are breaking MANDATORY quarantine.
But perhaps you can go live in Korea where they are all perfect and much better listeners than us Americans
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| Posted 12/2/20 10:50 PM |
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Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
I am not against testing in theory but I really think they are testing the wrong subgroup. Schools are not a vector. Transmissions on the most part are not happening at schools so even if someone was in school with Covid, it most likely will not be spreading to anyone else. Why is that? Because schools are probably one of the only places where social distancing and mask wearing are strictly enforced. Schools are following all the guidelines and usually going beyond that. It is everywhere else. Adults are to blame to for the spread, not the schools or kids. Who are going to large gatherings, who are not wearing their mask correctly or not at all, who are bringing their kids to sports/activities where many do not wear masks. If they are going to mandate anything, it should be mandated that adults get tested if they want to continue to act the way they are acting.
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| Posted 12/2/20 11:27 PM |
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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I am not against testing in theory but I really think they are testing the wrong subgroup. Schools are not a vector. Transmissions on the most part are not happening at schools so even if someone was in school with Covid, it most likely will not be spreading to anyone else. Why is that? Because schools are probably one of the only places where social distancing and mask wearing are strictly enforced. Schools are following all the guidelines and usually going beyond that. It is everywhere else. Adults are to blame to for the spread, not the schools or kids. Who are going to large gatherings, who are not wearing their mask correctly or not at all, who are bringing their kids to sports/activities where many do not wear masks. If they are going to mandate anything, it should be mandated that adults get tested if they want to continue to act the way they are acting.
All this. But the thing is, it's a lot easier to test the kids in school because they are there every day.
And the schools fall under the public sector rather than the private sector where it would be harder to legally force compliance with mandatory testing.
If they said you have to get tested to go to work in a private company, I can see that being harder to push through than to hold schools over our heads.
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| Posted 12/2/20 11:45 PM |
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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Testing is needed regardless and you are crazy if you think testing is not needed in schools this winter. Infection rate is low in schools RIGHT NOW because of a variety of factors. How do you know that is going to continue when cases soar past what we saw in the spring? There is no scientist that is going to say the low infection rate in schools is guaranteed to continue with the recent spike and the way to combat that is with testing. "Pandemic Fatigue" is really not an excuse. We are all fatigued.
Look at how Korea managed COVID. They handled the pandemic by activating infectious disease LAW and prioritizing widespread testing and contact tracing. But here in the states (and even on this website) we have people openly and willingly violating the same health laws and willingly breaking mandatory quarantine. And we all wonder why we have "fatigue".
https://undark.org/2020/10/05/south-korea-covid-19-success/
We actually DO know schools will be ok through the winter. Because every single expert has told us what precautions to take and every single school classroom is following them at a minimum. If kids are going to get COVID it's going to be from outside the schools. Or are the infectious disease experts wrong now?
Please spare me stories about what Korea did. You must be smarter than that. There are plenty of logistical reasons we can not achieve that level of control and they have nothing to do with the attitudes of Americans. And anyway, have you seen S Korea's COVID curve recently?
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| Posted 12/3/20 12:24 PM |
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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Testing is needed regardless and you are crazy if you think testing is not needed in schools this winter. Infection rate is low in schools RIGHT NOW because of a variety of factors. How do you know that is going to continue when cases soar past what we saw in the spring? There is no scientist that is going to say the low infection rate in schools is guaranteed to continue with the recent spike and the way to combat that is with testing. "Pandemic Fatigue" is really not an excuse. We are all fatigued.
Look at how Korea managed COVID. They handled the pandemic by activating infectious disease LAW and prioritizing widespread testing and contact tracing. But here in the states (and even on this website) we have people openly and willingly violating the same health laws and willingly breaking mandatory quarantine. And we all wonder why we have "fatigue".
https://undark.org/2020/10/05/south-korea-covid-19-success/
We actually DO know schools will be ok through the winter. Because every single expert has told us what precautions to take and every single school classroom is following them at a minimum. If kids are going to get COVID it's going to be from outside the schools. Or are the infectious disease experts wrong now?
Ha! Wouldn’t be the first time.
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Please spare me stories about what Korea did. You must be smarter than that. There are plenty of logistical reasons we can not achieve that level of control and they have nothing to do with the attitudes of Americans.
Cannot agree more with this!
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| Posted 12/3/20 12:40 PM |
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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Please spare me stories about what Korea did. You must be smarter than that. There are plenty of logistical reasons we can not achieve that level of control and they have nothing to do with the attitudes of Americans. And anyway, have you seen S Korea's COVID curve recently?
I'm so sick of hearing that shit too.
How about how China controlled it? By locking people in their homes and dragging them away from their families kicking and screaming to quarantine .
Maybe we can do that next.
Maybe people would be ok having their kids rounded up and kept in a quarantine camp next if Cuomo or some EXPERT said it was necessary.
Because remember "there are NO rights during a pandemic!! " Hell they can shoot you on site if they catch you maskless and there's nothing we can do about it because we have no rights in a pandemic.
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| Posted 12/3/20 1:00 PM |
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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Please spare me stories about what Korea did. You must be smarter than that. There are plenty of logistical reasons we can not achieve that level of control and they have nothing to do with the attitudes of Americans. And anyway, have you seen S Korea's COVID curve recently?
Maybe people would be ok having their kids rounded up and kept in a quarantine camp next if Cuomo or some EXPERT said it was necessary.
Why not, the government already did it with immigrant kids.
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| Posted 12/3/20 1:34 AM |
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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Please spare me stories about what Korea did. You must be smarter than that. There are plenty of logistical reasons we can not achieve that level of control and they have nothing to do with the attitudes of Americans. And anyway, have you seen S Korea's COVID curve recently?
Maybe people would be ok having their kids rounded up and kept in a quarantine camp next if Cuomo or some EXPERT said it was necessary.
Why not, the government already did it with immigrant kids.
Yep. I guess you don't have any rights in a pandemic OR if you cross the border. Or any combination of the two.
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| Posted 12/3/20 1:37 AM |
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Who is paying for all this? Meaning everything?
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| Posted 12/3/20 3:30 AM |
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Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Genuinely curious...for the people who refuse to have their child tested in school, and will refuse the vaccine, what is your solution? Without testing and without a vaccine, life will NEVER go back to normal. How is anyone ok with that?
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| Posted 12/3/20 5:36 AM |
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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Genuinely curious...for the people who refuse to have their child tested in school, and will refuse the vaccine, what is your solution? Without testing and without a vaccine, life will NEVER go back to normal. How is anyone ok with that?
I’d love to know the answer to this as well.
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| Posted 12/3/20 5:39 AM |
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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Genuinely curious...for the people who refuse to have their child tested in school, and will refuse the vaccine, what is your solution? Without testing and without a vaccine, life will NEVER go back to normal. How is anyone ok with that?
I would allow my daughter to get tested. I question how effective testing kids in school is since it doesn't spread in schools and they are using a test that isn't known for it's accuracy but if the state wants to do that and thinks that will save the world- have at it.
For the vaccine- if they mandate it to attend school I have no choice. If they don't, not sure I'd give it to my child. Covid has been shown to be very very mild in kids. Vaccinate the adults to protect the population. Adults need the protection more than young children
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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Posted by Naturalmama
Genuinely curious...for the people who refuse to have their child tested in school, and will refuse the vaccine, what is your solution? Without testing and without a vaccine, life will NEVER go back to normal. How is anyone ok with that?
I would allow my daughter to get tested. I question how effective testing kids in school is since it doesn't spread in schools and they are using a test that isn't known for it's accuracy but if the state wants to do that and thinks that will save the world- have at it.
For the vaccine- if they mandate it to attend school I have no choice. If they don't, not sure I'd give it to my child. Covid has been shown to be very very mild in kids. Vaccinate the adults to protect the population. Adults need the protection more than young children
I agree, but I wasn't directing the question at people who disagree but will allow it. I see people, not just on here but in general, who say they will never allow testing, never give their child the vaccine, but they better keep schools open for their kid.
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