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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
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Yes, I would allow my children to get tested. I don't really understand what the big deal is. Would those who are opposed to the test object if temperature checks were required and it had to be with an oral thermometer? It is a q-tip up the nose, they aren't injecting your child with a vaccine or anything that could harm them in any way. Do people get upset when they do lice checks after kids have been exposed to lice?
For me, it’s the accuracy of the test. I’ve seen it first hand. A false positive turn life upside down for a family. Plus just because you don’t test positive doesn’t mean you don’t have it. It might be too early for a positive to show up on the rapid. It’s useless.
Checking for lice....pretty accurate. If they see it you have it. Doesn’t “hurt” my kid to get tested. The way my kid screamed during their rapid test I would never do it again.
Temperature checks....if you have a fever (especially on those thermometers that read my temperature as 96 degrees), you are sick and need to go home.
It comes down to accuracy. The rapids they will use are inconsistent and do not show up positive until a couple days after the person has been spreading it.
I can understand this on some level, but the alternative is everyone going remote. Wouldn't that turn way more people's lives upside down than the % of false positives? Also, if you get a positive rapid don't you automatically follow it up with a way more accurate PCR test? So the false positive should only affect you for a couple days max.
I think what people are more concerned about is the kids getting an asymptomatic positive because I think most people would prefer to not have to quarantine unless someone in their family is actually exhibiting symptoms.
I just think that the opposition to this is over the top. We need to do something to keep schools open and this seems like the most logical solution. I am surprised to hear that your child had such a bad reaction to the test. I know many children who have had it, including my own, and all of them thought it was no big deal.
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by lululu
Posted by LittleDiva
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Yes, I would allow my children to get tested. I don't really understand what the big deal is. Would those who are opposed to the test object if temperature checks were required and it had to be with an oral thermometer? It is a q-tip up the nose, they aren't injecting your child with a vaccine or anything that could harm them in any way. Do people get upset when they do lice checks after kids have been exposed to lice?
For me, it’s the accuracy of the test. I’ve seen it first hand. A false positive turn life upside down for a family. Plus just because you don’t test positive doesn’t mean you don’t have it. It might be too early for a positive to show up on the rapid. It’s useless.
Checking for lice....pretty accurate. If they see it you have it. Doesn’t “hurt” my kid to get tested. The way my kid screamed during their rapid test I would never do it again.
Temperature checks....if you have a fever (especially on those thermometers that read my temperature as 96 degrees), you are sick and need to go home.
It comes down to accuracy. The rapids they will use are inconsistent and do not show up positive until a couple days after the person has been spreading it.
I can understand this on some level, but the alternative is everyone going remote. Wouldn't that turn way more people's lives upside down than the % of false positives? Also, if you get a positive rapid don't you automatically follow it up with a way more accurate PCR test? So the false positive should only affect you for a couple days max.
I think what people are more concerned about is the kids getting an asymptomatic positive because I think most people would prefer to not have to quarantine unless someone in their family is actually exhibiting symptoms.
I just think that the opposition to this is over the top. We need to do something to keep schools open and this seems like the most logical solution. I am surprised to hear that your child had such a bad reaction to the test. I know many children who have had it, including my own, and all of them thought it was no big deal.
I think the issue is why is this needed to keep schools open? NYC schools closed because the infection rate of the GENEARL population hit 3% and that was the deal DiBlasio made with the Union.
However, infection rates IN the schools are much much lower.
It doesn't seem to be spreading via schools.
I got a letter from our super last night that stated in our large district the total infection rate in the whole district of schools is less than 1/4 of 1%. That's insane! If we were able to achieve that low an infection rate as a general society, the pandemic would be declared over.
So clearly the masks and all the other restrictions are working inside schools.
Schools are clearly not the problem.
So how is testing kids in school a logical solution to keeping schools open?
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ali120206
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by lululu
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by lululu
Yes, I would allow my children to get tested. I don't really understand what the big deal is. Would those who are opposed to the test object if temperature checks were required and it had to be with an oral thermometer? It is a q-tip up the nose, they aren't injecting your child with a vaccine or anything that could harm them in any way. Do people get upset when they do lice checks after kids have been exposed to lice?
For me, it’s the accuracy of the test. I’ve seen it first hand. A false positive turn life upside down for a family. Plus just because you don’t test positive doesn’t mean you don’t have it. It might be too early for a positive to show up on the rapid. It’s useless.
Checking for lice....pretty accurate. If they see it you have it. Doesn’t “hurt” my kid to get tested. The way my kid screamed during their rapid test I would never do it again.
Temperature checks....if you have a fever (especially on those thermometers that read my temperature as 96 degrees), you are sick and need to go home.
It comes down to accuracy. The rapids they will use are inconsistent and do not show up positive until a couple days after the person has been spreading it.
I can understand this on some level, but the alternative is everyone going remote. Wouldn't that turn way more people's lives upside down than the % of false positives? Also, if you get a positive rapid don't you automatically follow it up with a way more accurate PCR test? So the false positive should only affect you for a couple days max.
I think what people are more concerned about is the kids getting an asymptomatic positive because I think most people would prefer to not have to quarantine unless someone in their family is actually exhibiting symptoms.
I just think that the opposition to this is over the top. We need to do something to keep schools open and this seems like the most logical solution. I am surprised to hear that your child had such a bad reaction to the test. I know many children who have had it, including my own, and all of them thought it was no big deal.
I think the issue is why is this needed to keep schools open? NYC schools closed because the infection rate of the GENEARL population hit 3% and that was the deal DiBlasio made with the Union.
However, infection rates IN the schools are much much lower.
It doesn't seem to be spreading via schools.
I got a letter from our super last night that stated in our large district the total infection rate in the whole district of schools is less than 1/4 of 1%. That's insane! If we were able to achieve that low an infection rate as a general society, the pandemic would be declared over.
So clearly the masks and all the other restrictions are working inside schools.
Schools are clearly not the problem.
So how is testing kids in school a logical solution to keeping schools open?
It's not a logical solution. And because our district required 20% testing - our schools are now closed because multiple asymptomatic people tested positive during the beginning of the 20% testing so there are a number of students/teachers in quarantine. So now I'm listening to a chaotic 3rd grade google meet. It works better with the hybrid model as they split the kids up.
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
My opinion is that as long as the scientific community is saying that widespread testing helps with containment even if it isn't perfect, as long as asymptomatic people can spread covid, and as long as there are families having kids mask and lie about symptoms and exposures, how can we not expect to consent to testing before we allow our kids to go in a building with other kids and adults?
For now, being out in public often entails being tested--whether it's because an establishment requires it, because a contact tracer tells you you've been exposed, and/or you have symptoms.
This country has been through wars, pandemics, pandemics that target children (polio), shortages, rations, etc. This is not our first rodeo. Public health and safety have to be prioritized--especially if people want to avail themselves of public services. We all expect access to schools, hospitals, police and fire protection, etc., where we come into contact with brave and smart professionals. We have to expect to be asked to do things that protect those people and society from us along the way in times like these.
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Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
We got a letter that we had to sign if we wanted to be part of the 20% being tested. They are testing 20% of faculty and 20% of students. I don't have an issue with them testing, but I would like to be there when they do it (and that is an option at DD's school). Reason I want to be there is because she is a big baby when it comes to medical things.
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by seaside
My opinion is that as long as the scientific community is saying that widespread testing helps with containment even if it isn't perfect, as long as asymptomatic people can spread covid, and as long as there are families having kids mask and lie about symptoms and exposures, how can we not expect to consent to testing before we allow our kids to go in a building with other kids and adults?
For now, being out in public often entails being tested--whether it's because an establishment requires it, because a contact tracer tells you you've been exposed, and/or you have symptoms.
This country has been through wars, pandemics, pandemics that target children (polio), shortages, rations, etc. This is not our first rodeo. Public health and safety have to be prioritized--especially if people want to avail themselves of public services. We all expect access to schools, hospitals, police and fire protection, etc., where we come into contact with brave and smart professionals. We have to expect to be asked to do things that protect those people and society from us along the way in times like these.
Not our first rodeo at all , but I think as a people we have never been stupider or more selfish.
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by ali120206
It's not a logical solution. And because our district required 20% testing - our schools are now closed because multiple asymptomatic people tested positive during the beginning of the 20% testing so there are a number of students/teachers in quarantine. So now I'm listening to a chaotic 3rd grade google meet. It works better with the hybrid model as they split the kids up.
Actually this is exactly what the testing is for. While it does not appear to spread at schools as readily, it does spread at events outside of the school setting where people do not follow those guidelines. Without this testing, those people most likely have been out and about and infected people may have had a severe case.
We need more testing of people who have no symptoms. This will allow us to more effectively stop community spread.
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
It's not a logical solution. And because our district required 20% testing - our schools are now closed because multiple asymptomatic people tested positive during the beginning of the 20% testing so there are a number of students/teachers in quarantine. So now I'm listening to a chaotic 3rd grade google meet. It works better with the hybrid model as they split the kids up.
Actually this is exactly what the testing is for. While it does not appear to spread at schools as readily, it does spread at events outside of the school setting where people do not follow those guidelines. Without this testing, those people most likely have been out and about and infected people may have had a severe case.
We need more testing of people who have no symptoms. This will allow us to more effectively stop community spread.
In our case though - why require 20% testing when we are never going to make it there before we have to close. It generally takes 2 cases to shut down school... Elementary took 3.
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NervousNell
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
It's not a logical solution. And because our district required 20% testing - our schools are now closed because multiple asymptomatic people tested positive during the beginning of the 20% testing so there are a number of students/teachers in quarantine. So now I'm listening to a chaotic 3rd grade google meet. It works better with the hybrid model as they split the kids up.
Actually this is exactly what the testing is for. While it does not appear to spread at schools as readily, it does spread at events outside of the school setting where people do not follow those guidelines. Without this testing, those people most likely have been out and about and infected people may have had a severe case.
We need more testing of people who have no symptoms. This will allow us to more effectively stop community spread.
So do you go regularly to get tested then?
Like what, every week? Every 2 weeks?
How often should we go stand on line to be tested when we feel fine? Genuinely curious.
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
It's not a logical solution. And because our district required 20% testing - our schools are now closed because multiple asymptomatic people tested positive during the beginning of the 20% testing so there are a number of students/teachers in quarantine. So now I'm listening to a chaotic 3rd grade google meet. It works better with the hybrid model as they split the kids up.
Actually this is exactly what the testing is for. While it does not appear to spread at schools as readily, it does spread at events outside of the school setting where people do not follow those guidelines. Without this testing, those people most likely have been out and about and infected people may have had a severe case.
We need more testing of people who have no symptoms. This will allow us to more effectively stop community spread.
So do you go regularly to get tested then?
Like what, every week? Every 2 weeks?
How often should we go stand on line to be tested when we feel fine? Genuinely curious.
Currently I do not, but seeing as how I am a teacher I will most likely start getting tested regularly based on the numbers in my region.
Ideally we would be able to do a rapid home test regularly. Regular testing would keep community spread low, but NYS does not have that type of testing capacity, which is ridiculous given the fact that we are 9 months into this pandemic I know someone who tried to get tested this weekend in my county, but could not access a test even though she had a known exposure and was experiencing symptoms.
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by lululu
Posted by LittleDiva
Posted by lululu
Yes, I would allow my children to get tested. I don't really understand what the big deal is. Would those who are opposed to the test object if temperature checks were required and it had to be with an oral thermometer? It is a q-tip up the nose, they aren't injecting your child with a vaccine or anything that could harm them in any way. Do people get upset when they do lice checks after kids have been exposed to lice?
For me, it’s the accuracy of the test. I’ve seen it first hand. A false positive turn life upside down for a family. Plus just because you don’t test positive doesn’t mean you don’t have it. It might be too early for a positive to show up on the rapid. It’s useless.
Checking for lice....pretty accurate. If they see it you have it. Doesn’t “hurt” my kid to get tested. The way my kid screamed during their rapid test I would never do it again.
Temperature checks....if you have a fever (especially on those thermometers that read my temperature as 96 degrees), you are sick and need to go home.
It comes down to accuracy. The rapids they will use are inconsistent and do not show up positive until a couple days after the person has been spreading it.
I can understand this on some level, but the alternative is everyone going remote. Wouldn't that turn way more people's lives upside down than the % of false positives? Also, if you get a positive rapid don't you automatically follow it up with a way more accurate PCR test? So the false positive should only affect you for a couple days max.
I think what people are more concerned about is the kids getting an asymptomatic positive because I think most people would prefer to not have to quarantine unless someone in their family is actually exhibiting symptoms.
I just think that the opposition to this is over the top. We need to do something to keep schools open and this seems like the most logical solution. I am surprised to hear that your child had such a bad reaction to the test. I know many children who have had it, including my own, and all of them thought it was no big deal.
I think the issue is why is this needed to keep schools open? NYC schools closed because the infection rate of the GENEARL population hit 3% and that was the deal DiBlasio made with the Union.
However, infection rates IN the schools are much much lower.
Bad example with the city schools. They eliminated the 3% rule last night and are now going to mandate consent forms to test. City schools reopen on Dec 7 for most elementary.
Hate to break the news to everybody but most likely testing is going to be a thing going forward in all schools if you want in person learning. And this is the way it should be.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/29/nyregion/schools-reopening-partially.html
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
It's not a logical solution. And because our district required 20% testing - our schools are now closed because multiple asymptomatic people tested positive during the beginning of the 20% testing so there are a number of students/teachers in quarantine. So now I'm listening to a chaotic 3rd grade google meet. It works better with the hybrid model as they split the kids up.
Actually this is exactly what the testing is for. While it does not appear to spread at schools as readily, it does spread at events outside of the school setting where people do not follow those guidelines. Without this testing, those people most likely have been out and about and infected people may have had a severe case.
We need more testing of people who have no symptoms. This will allow us to more effectively stop community spread.
So do you go regularly to get tested then?
Like what, every week? Every 2 weeks?
How often should we go stand on line to be tested when we feel fine? Genuinely curious.
If you prefer to do the test on your own time, then yes you would be getting on line every week. Sounds like a silly way to do it IMO as testing inside the school would be much easier, but hey that's just my opinion.
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NervousNell
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by ave1024
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
It's not a logical solution. And because our district required 20% testing - our schools are now closed because multiple asymptomatic people tested positive during the beginning of the 20% testing so there are a number of students/teachers in quarantine. So now I'm listening to a chaotic 3rd grade google meet. It works better with the hybrid model as they split the kids up.
Actually this is exactly what the testing is for. While it does not appear to spread at schools as readily, it does spread at events outside of the school setting where people do not follow those guidelines. Without this testing, those people most likely have been out and about and infected people may have had a severe case.
We need more testing of people who have no symptoms. This will allow us to more effectively stop community spread.
So do you go regularly to get tested then?
Like what, every week? Every 2 weeks?
How often should we go stand on line to be tested when we feel fine? Genuinely curious.
If you prefer to do the test on your own time, then yes you would be getting on line every week. Sounds like a silly way to do it IMO as testing inside the school would be much easier, but hey that's just my opinion.
That's not what I meant.
I meant the general public- not school kids.
She was saying everyone should be testing even without symptoms. I was curious if the average person was doing that. Going to get tested once a week or every 2 weeks on their own, even without a symptom. Sort of like a civic duty....
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by ali120206
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
It's not a logical solution. And because our district required 20% testing - our schools are now closed because multiple asymptomatic people tested positive during the beginning of the 20% testing so there are a number of students/teachers in quarantine. So now I'm listening to a chaotic 3rd grade google meet. It works better with the hybrid model as they split the kids up.
Actually this is exactly what the testing is for. While it does not appear to spread at schools as readily, it does spread at events outside of the school setting where people do not follow those guidelines. Without this testing, those people most likely have been out and about and infected people may have had a severe case.
We need more testing of people who have no symptoms. This will allow us to more effectively stop community spread.
In our case though - why require 20% testing when we are never going to make it there before we have to close. It generally takes 2 cases to shut down school... Elementary took 3.
That is your district closing the schools not the DOH. There is no need to close down a school with that few cases if they are doing the correct protocols and cleaning. If the DOH is closing your school for those cases, then again the school is not following the appropriate guidelines.
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by ali120206
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
It's not a logical solution. And because our district required 20% testing - our schools are now closed because multiple asymptomatic people tested positive during the beginning of the 20% testing so there are a number of students/teachers in quarantine. So now I'm listening to a chaotic 3rd grade google meet. It works better with the hybrid model as they split the kids up.
Actually this is exactly what the testing is for. While it does not appear to spread at schools as readily, it does spread at events outside of the school setting where people do not follow those guidelines. Without this testing, those people most likely have been out and about and infected people may have had a severe case.
We need more testing of people who have no symptoms. This will allow us to more effectively stop community spread.
In our case though - why require 20% testing when we are never going to make it there before we have to close. It generally takes 2 cases to shut down school... Elementary took 3.
That is your district closing the schools not the DOH. There is no need to close down a school with that few cases if they are doing the correct protocols and cleaning. If the DOH is closing your school for those cases, then again the school is not following the appropriate guidelines.
The amount of staff that needs to quarantine for these cases is crazy. 2 middle schoolers usually take out 20 teachers (they quarantine all gym teachers) and 1/2 of their grade (anyone who is there the same day they are because they all have the same lunch period... My son doesn't change classrooms much and generally moves with the same kids (except for lunch when it's everyone) so they are trying to limit his exposure but, it's insane. It is the DOH enforcing these rules causing the schools to not be able to operate.
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by ali120206
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by ali120206
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
It's not a logical solution. And because our district required 20% testing - our schools are now closed because multiple asymptomatic people tested positive during the beginning of the 20% testing so there are a number of students/teachers in quarantine. So now I'm listening to a chaotic 3rd grade google meet. It works better with the hybrid model as they split the kids up.
Actually this is exactly what the testing is for. While it does not appear to spread at schools as readily, it does spread at events outside of the school setting where people do not follow those guidelines. Without this testing, those people most likely have been out and about and infected people may have had a severe case.
We need more testing of people who have no symptoms. This will allow us to more effectively stop community spread.
In our case though - why require 20% testing when we are never going to make it there before we have to close. It generally takes 2 cases to shut down school... Elementary took 3.
That is your district closing the schools not the DOH. There is no need to close down a school with that few cases if they are doing the correct protocols and cleaning. If the DOH is closing your school for those cases, then again the school is not following the appropriate guidelines.
The amount of staff that needs to quarantine for these cases is crazy. 2 middle schoolers usually take out 20 teachers (they quarantine all gym teachers) and 1/2 of their grade (anyone who is there the same day they are because they all have the same lunch period... My son doesn't change classrooms much and generally moves with the same kids (except for lunch when it's everyone) so they are trying to limit his exposure but, it's insane. It is the DOH enforcing these rules causing the schools to not be able to operate.
It IS insane because every other profession that is deemed "essential" does not require an exposed person to quarantine. And that includes my DH who, trust me, can do his job from home but yet was still told to report TO HIS PUBLIC OFFICE by the DOH. No quarantine period. No required test. Just wear a mask.
Are people really this uninformed that they don't realize the "science" based system is inconsistent and illogical?
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by Pomegranate5
Posted by ali120206
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by ali120206
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
It's not a logical solution. And because our district required 20% testing - our schools are now closed because multiple asymptomatic people tested positive during the beginning of the 20% testing so there are a number of students/teachers in quarantine. So now I'm listening to a chaotic 3rd grade google meet. It works better with the hybrid model as they split the kids up.
Actually this is exactly what the testing is for. While it does not appear to spread at schools as readily, it does spread at events outside of the school setting where people do not follow those guidelines. Without this testing, those people most likely have been out and about and infected people may have had a severe case.
We need more testing of people who have no symptoms. This will allow us to more effectively stop community spread.
In our case though - why require 20% testing when we are never going to make it there before we have to close. It generally takes 2 cases to shut down school... Elementary took 3.
That is your district closing the schools not the DOH. There is no need to close down a school with that few cases if they are doing the correct protocols and cleaning. If the DOH is closing your school for those cases, then again the school is not following the appropriate guidelines.
The amount of staff that needs to quarantine for these cases is crazy. 2 middle schoolers usually take out 20 teachers (they quarantine all gym teachers) and 1/2 of their grade (anyone who is there the same day they are because they all have the same lunch period... My son doesn't change classrooms much and generally moves with the same kids (except for lunch when it's everyone) so they are trying to limit his exposure but, it's insane. It is the DOH enforcing these rules causing the schools to not be able to operate.
It IS insane because every other profession that is deemed "essential" does not require an exposed person to quarantine. And that includes my DH who, trust me, can do his job from home but yet was still told to report TO HIS PUBLIC OFFICE by the DOH. No quarantine period. No required test. Just wear a mask.
Are people really this uninformed that they don't realize the "science" based system is inconsistent and illogical?
People just like to say SCIENCE. And that's the end of it.
Even if the procedures have little to do with Science.
You cant question anything that is done with the word science around it.
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by Pomegranate5
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Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
It's not a logical solution. And because our district required 20% testing - our schools are now closed because multiple asymptomatic people tested positive during the beginning of the 20% testing so there are a number of students/teachers in quarantine. So now I'm listening to a chaotic 3rd grade google meet. It works better with the hybrid model as they split the kids up.
Actually this is exactly what the testing is for. While it does not appear to spread at schools as readily, it does spread at events outside of the school setting where people do not follow those guidelines. Without this testing, those people most likely have been out and about and infected people may have had a severe case.
We need more testing of people who have no symptoms. This will allow us to more effectively stop community spread.
In our case though - why require 20% testing when we are never going to make it there before we have to close. It generally takes 2 cases to shut down school... Elementary took 3.
That is your district closing the schools not the DOH. There is no need to close down a school with that few cases if they are doing the correct protocols and cleaning. If the DOH is closing your school for those cases, then again the school is not following the appropriate guidelines.
The amount of staff that needs to quarantine for these cases is crazy. 2 middle schoolers usually take out 20 teachers (they quarantine all gym teachers) and 1/2 of their grade (anyone who is there the same day they are because they all have the same lunch period... My son doesn't change classrooms much and generally moves with the same kids (except for lunch when it's everyone) so they are trying to limit his exposure but, it's insane. It is the DOH enforcing these rules causing the schools to not be able to operate.
It IS insane because every other profession that is deemed "essential" does not require an exposed person to quarantine. And that includes my DH who, trust me, can do his job from home but yet was still told to report TO HIS PUBLIC OFFICE by the DOH. No quarantine period. No required test. Just wear a mask.
Are people really this uninformed that they don't realize the "science" based system is inconsistent and illogical?
Before the end of the week where everything shut down back in March - my DH was told he needs to come to work unless he has a fever so I get it lol. Exposure and asymptomatic mean nothing... And the symptoms that are mild and can be something else also mean nothing. Remarkably, only one person in his firehouse tested positive.
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| Posted 12/1/20 1:09 PM |
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blu6385
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Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Yes I am allowing my kids because I want school to remain open. Do I agree with it no but really what is there to do, refuse? Great everyone refuses school closes. everyone refusing is not going to all of a sudden change Cuomo’s mind and keep schools open and right know all Care about is my kids being in school!!!!!!!!
I’m sick of the conspiracy theories and this is the first step into something else. Personally I think people need to get a grip. For things to be a conspiracy you know how many people need to be involved and if that many people are involved what is anyone really going to be able to do.
I’ll just deal with this for now and not worry about what this might lead to till I actually see it lead to something!!
Message edited 12/1/2020 1:35:51 AM.
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| Posted 12/1/20 1:34 AM |
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lululu
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by ali120206
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by ali120206
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
It's not a logical solution. And because our district required 20% testing - our schools are now closed because multiple asymptomatic people tested positive during the beginning of the 20% testing so there are a number of students/teachers in quarantine. So now I'm listening to a chaotic 3rd grade google meet. It works better with the hybrid model as they split the kids up.
Actually this is exactly what the testing is for. While it does not appear to spread at schools as readily, it does spread at events outside of the school setting where people do not follow those guidelines. Without this testing, those people most likely have been out and about and infected people may have had a severe case.
We need more testing of people who have no symptoms. This will allow us to more effectively stop community spread.
In our case though - why require 20% testing when we are never going to make it there before we have to close. It generally takes 2 cases to shut down school... Elementary took 3.
That is your district closing the schools not the DOH. There is no need to close down a school with that few cases if they are doing the correct protocols and cleaning. If the DOH is closing your school for those cases, then again the school is not following the appropriate guidelines.
The amount of staff that needs to quarantine for these cases is crazy. 2 middle schoolers usually take out 20 teachers (they quarantine all gym teachers) and 1/2 of their grade (anyone who is there the same day they are because they all have the same lunch period... My son doesn't change classrooms much and generally moves with the same kids (except for lunch when it's everyone) so they are trying to limit his exposure but, it's insane. It is the DOH enforcing these rules causing the schools to not be able to operate.
Something is being done incorrectly in your schools if that many people need to quarantine. The DOH would not require gym teachers who were with the kids for less than 40 minutes, masked, with social distancing protocols in place, to quarantine due to exposure. Also, again, the cafeteria they should be social distancing with assigned seats. Presumably only people that sit near them would need to quarantine, not the entire cafeteria. I would be furious if my district was quarantining that many people over exposure. You should really contact your BOE and get more clarification of the procedures.
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| Posted 12/1/20 2:16 AM |
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ali120206
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by lululu
Posted by ali120206
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by ali120206
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
It's not a logical solution. And because our district required 20% testing - our schools are now closed because multiple asymptomatic people tested positive during the beginning of the 20% testing so there are a number of students/teachers in quarantine. So now I'm listening to a chaotic 3rd grade google meet. It works better with the hybrid model as they split the kids up.
Actually this is exactly what the testing is for. While it does not appear to spread at schools as readily, it does spread at events outside of the school setting where people do not follow those guidelines. Without this testing, those people most likely have been out and about and infected people may have had a severe case.
We need more testing of people who have no symptoms. This will allow us to more effectively stop community spread.
In our case though - why require 20% testing when we are never going to make it there before we have to close. It generally takes 2 cases to shut down school... Elementary took 3.
That is your district closing the schools not the DOH. There is no need to close down a school with that few cases if they are doing the correct protocols and cleaning. If the DOH is closing your school for those cases, then again the school is not following the appropriate guidelines.
The amount of staff that needs to quarantine for these cases is crazy. 2 middle schoolers usually take out 20 teachers (they quarantine all gym teachers) and 1/2 of their grade (anyone who is there the same day they are because they all have the same lunch period... My son doesn't change classrooms much and generally moves with the same kids (except for lunch when it's everyone) so they are trying to limit his exposure but, it's insane. It is the DOH enforcing these rules causing the schools to not be able to operate.
Something is being done incorrectly in your schools if that many people need to quarantine. The DOH would not require gym teachers who were with the kids for less than 40 minutes, masked, with social distancing protocols in place, to quarantine due to exposure. Also, again, the cafeteria they should be social distancing with assigned seats. Presumably only people that sit near them would need to quarantine, not the entire cafeteria. I would be furious if my district was quarantining that many people over exposure. You should really contact your BOE and get more clarification of the procedures.
It's not the school - it's the DOH. They require teachers who were masked and with masked kids for less than 40 minutes, appropriately distanced to quarantine. They also require those who are appropriately distanced on a school bus for 5 minutes to quarantine. Most schools in Rockland have had extended closures at this point. I guess that's why there aren't as many closures on Long Island? If a child is positive - anyone they may have come into contact with during the day (teachers, classmates, bus mates, bus driver) must quarantine for the remaining 14 days since last exposure (people are generally notified they were exposed at the 6-7 day point so they only have a week left to quarantine after they were out and about unaware they were exposed). We are hybrid from grades 3-12 so classes are under 12 kids and are masked and appropriately distanced. They even have to wear masks outside. Only off to eat or drink or for short silent mask breaks if nobody near you is taking one. Maybe since we don't use plexiglass?
My 5th grader went to school 4 days in November and he has not had to quarantine. It's a bit much.
Message edited 12/1/2020 3:37:32 AM.
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| Posted 12/1/20 3:34 AM |
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KarenK122
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by ali120206
Posted by lululu
Posted by ali120206
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by ali120206
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
It's not a logical solution. And because our district required 20% testing - our schools are now closed because multiple asymptomatic people tested positive during the beginning of the 20% testing so there are a number of students/teachers in quarantine. So now I'm listening to a chaotic 3rd grade google meet. It works better with the hybrid model as they split the kids up.
Actually this is exactly what the testing is for. While it does not appear to spread at schools as readily, it does spread at events outside of the school setting where people do not follow those guidelines. Without this testing, those people most likely have been out and about and infected people may have had a severe case.
We need more testing of people who have no symptoms. This will allow us to more effectively stop community spread.
In our case though - why require 20% testing when we are never going to make it there before we have to close. It generally takes 2 cases to shut down school... Elementary took 3.
That is your district closing the schools not the DOH. There is no need to close down a school with that few cases if they are doing the correct protocols and cleaning. If the DOH is closing your school for those cases, then again the school is not following the appropriate guidelines.
The amount of staff that needs to quarantine for these cases is crazy. 2 middle schoolers usually take out 20 teachers (they quarantine all gym teachers) and 1/2 of their grade (anyone who is there the same day they are because they all have the same lunch period... My son doesn't change classrooms much and generally moves with the same kids (except for lunch when it's everyone) so they are trying to limit his exposure but, it's insane. It is the DOH enforcing these rules causing the schools to not be able to operate.
Something is being done incorrectly in your schools if that many people need to quarantine. The DOH would not require gym teachers who were with the kids for less than 40 minutes, masked, with social distancing protocols in place, to quarantine due to exposure. Also, again, the cafeteria they should be social distancing with assigned seats. Presumably only people that sit near them would need to quarantine, not the entire cafeteria. I would be furious if my district was quarantining that many people over exposure. You should really contact your BOE and get more clarification of the procedures.
It's not the school - it's the DOH. They require teachers who were masked and with masked kids for less than 40 minutes, appropriately distanced to quarantine. They also require those who are appropriately distanced on a school bus for 5 minutes to quarantine. Most schools in Rockland have had extended closures at this point. I guess that's why there aren't as many closures on Long Island? If a child is positive - anyone they may have come into contact with during the day (teachers, classmates, bus mates, bus driver) must quarantine for the remaining 14 days since last exposure (people are generally notified they were exposed at the 6-7 day point so they only have a week left to quarantine after they were out and about unaware they were exposed). We are hybrid from grades 3-12 so classes are under 12 kids and are masked and appropriately distanced. They even have to wear masks outside. Only off to eat or drink or for short silent mask breaks if nobody near you is taking one. Maybe since we don't use plexiglass?
My 5th grader went to school 4 days in November and he has not had to quarantine. It's a bit much.
Close contact is someone who is within 6 feet for a period of 10 minutes or longer. No teacher (with the exception of some special education teachers/aides) should be that close to a student for an extended period. If you are following social distancing guidelines there should not be many close contacts, if any. Sometimes they quarantine a class because of mask breaks and that they are with the same kids for an entire day but there should be no reason a "specials" teacher should need to quarantine if they were following rules. That comes directly from the DOH.
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| Posted 12/1/20 4:50 AM |
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ali120206
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by ali120206
Posted by lululu
Posted by ali120206
Posted by KarenK122
Posted by ali120206
Posted by PitterPatter11
Posted by ali120206
It's not a logical solution. And because our district required 20% testing - our schools are now closed because multiple asymptomatic people tested positive during the beginning of the 20% testing so there are a number of students/teachers in quarantine. So now I'm listening to a chaotic 3rd grade google meet. It works better with the hybrid model as they split the kids up.
Actually this is exactly what the testing is for. While it does not appear to spread at schools as readily, it does spread at events outside of the school setting where people do not follow those guidelines. Without this testing, those people most likely have been out and about and infected people may have had a severe case.
We need more testing of people who have no symptoms. This will allow us to more effectively stop community spread.
In our case though - why require 20% testing when we are never going to make it there before we have to close. It generally takes 2 cases to shut down school... Elementary took 3.
That is your district closing the schools not the DOH. There is no need to close down a school with that few cases if they are doing the correct protocols and cleaning. If the DOH is closing your school for those cases, then again the school is not following the appropriate guidelines.
The amount of staff that needs to quarantine for these cases is crazy. 2 middle schoolers usually take out 20 teachers (they quarantine all gym teachers) and 1/2 of their grade (anyone who is there the same day they are because they all have the same lunch period... My son doesn't change classrooms much and generally moves with the same kids (except for lunch when it's everyone) so they are trying to limit his exposure but, it's insane. It is the DOH enforcing these rules causing the schools to not be able to operate.
Something is being done incorrectly in your schools if that many people need to quarantine. The DOH would not require gym teachers who were with the kids for less than 40 minutes, masked, with social distancing protocols in place, to quarantine due to exposure. Also, again, the cafeteria they should be social distancing with assigned seats. Presumably only people that sit near them would need to quarantine, not the entire cafeteria. I would be furious if my district was quarantining that many people over exposure. You should really contact your BOE and get more clarification of the procedures.
It's not the school - it's the DOH. They require teachers who were masked and with masked kids for less than 40 minutes, appropriately distanced to quarantine. They also require those who are appropriately distanced on a school bus for 5 minutes to quarantine. Most schools in Rockland have had extended closures at this point. I guess that's why there aren't as many closures on Long Island? If a child is positive - anyone they may have come into contact with during the day (teachers, classmates, bus mates, bus driver) must quarantine for the remaining 14 days since last exposure (people are generally notified they were exposed at the 6-7 day point so they only have a week left to quarantine after they were out and about unaware they were exposed). We are hybrid from grades 3-12 so classes are under 12 kids and are masked and appropriately distanced. They even have to wear masks outside. Only off to eat or drink or for short silent mask breaks if nobody near you is taking one. Maybe since we don't use plexiglass?
My 5th grader went to school 4 days in November and he has not had to quarantine. It's a bit much.
Close contact is someone who is within 6 feet for a period of 10 minutes or longer. No teacher (with the exception of some special education teachers/aides) should be that close to a student for an extended period. If you are following social distancing guidelines there should not be many close contacts, if any. Sometimes they quarantine a class because of mask breaks and that they are with the same kids for an entire day but there should be no reason a "specials" teacher should need to quarantine if they were following rules. That comes directly from the DOH.
I guess our county DOH interprets differently than on Long Island and errs on the side of caution as this is the case in all districts here. Any teacher who teaches the student is forced to quarantine - whether they have them for multiple periods or one period... They started putting the high school lunch periods into pods because they had to quarantine so many kids (and many were outside eating while the person positive was inside).
I'm not questioning your interpretation as it makes perfect sense and there have been 0 cases documented in those who have had to quarantine from a school exposure so it is a bit over the top. I just wish it could be different.
And we are in a yellow zone but nobody I know has covid and nobody I know in the area knows anyone who has covid (except the people who tested positive in the schools if they are in their child's class).
Message edited 12/1/2020 5:14:45 AM.
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| Posted 12/1/20 5:13 AM |
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soontobemommyof2
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
I have no idea where some posters are getting their info from but education is a right available to every child in this country. The last I checked, there’s no law in existence or that has recently passed that denies any child of an education. If they’re referring to executive orders, well they’re not law, and that’s a huge, distinctive difference. U’d think that those that love to point “privilege” in people, would feel an ounce of empathy (at least) to those with deep concerns about the measurements in schools instead of blatantly dictating who should attend school and who shouldn’t. Sometimes when reading some of these comments, it seems I’m living in a different country! Crazy! For the poster that said she doesn’t agree with the tests in school but there’s nothing really to be done against it, there is but it will require a lot of parents to voice their concerns, loudly! Just like parents from the city did when DeBlasio closed schools because of the union. I know trying to keep our children in schools is first priority (as it should be) but if we keep agreeing with things that are being imposed on us, there will never be change and more things will be added. Believe me, I know first hand how it is to see our children being robbed from an education but if we don’t put our foot down this will not be the end of it. The same is happening with local, small businesses. So many are rebelling and/or suing the local government because due to these draconian restrictions, they're losing their businesses, are drowning in debt, are struggling to feed their family. Not showing compliant and speaking up comes from a place of desperation and and I really believe the government is slowly pushing people to that point. Unfortunately they’re playing with our innocent children and with our businesses with the purpose of compliance, making it ever harder for us to do something about it, sadly.
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| Posted 12/1/20 1:07 PM |
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soontobemommyof2
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Re: Will you allow your children to be covid tested?
Posted by KarenK122
Every child should have the right to access education. They are not taking away the right to an education, they are taking away the access if you do not follow the rules that government, who provide the funding for that education, puts out. Anti Vaxxers have been fighting that fact for years, not to mention many in the special education world. You have the right to homeschool or put your child in a private school and then will be able to side step these restrictions.
They actually completely take away education provided by any institution even private schools. So there’s only 2 options, either homeschool (where the parent is in complete charge of their kid’s education without any assistance from schools or the government) or move out of the state.
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| Posted 12/1/20 1:21 PM |
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