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Re: Younger people and remote jobs
Posted by MrsWoods
My DH and i have been working at home for over 30 years by choice. Especially my husband he hates to work with anyone but himself. People suck so we are happy to not go in an office and put on a fake smile everyday. I think young people just want that dream job at home for the same reason.
I don't miss the work conversarions and the distractions that came working in the office at all. I just want to do my job and be done.
I do spend time on zoom with my managers and co-workers daily so its not like there is no communication.
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Re: Younger people and remote jobs
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That generation is dead. This generation is smarter and knows that sacrificing is a farce.
How do you not sacrifice and still live? Unless you are very extremely well off, you will have to sacrifice something in life.
I agree. In my experience, any amount of financial success comes with hard work and dedication. No matter what your field, even things like being a professional athlete, which some view as hitting the lottery, involve years of hard work and dedication. On top of that then you need to sacrifice privacy and time with family etc. in professions like that.
From my personal experience, I had to work my a** off in college and in my 20s/early 30s to have the luxury to stay home when my kids were young and to be able to find part time flexible work that still pays relatively well. And my husband had to work his a** off too. It kills me when people talk about how "lucky" we are. Those same people spent their 20s partying and staying in dead end jobs because they were fun, easy and not a lot of work.
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Re: Younger people and remote jobs
My step daughter recently graduated from college and was looking for a remote position. I told her that was a terrible idea. I explained to her that she needs to learn her field and it would be impossible to learn the ropes from people experienced in her line of work remotely. To me, for people starting out, they need to build a network and learn their business but it would be far more difficult to do that over zoom. She ended up getting an awesome job offer but it was in person. It was such a good opportunity that she would be foolish to pass on because of the in person requirement. She is actually very happy there and is learning a ton. It's good for her too because she is a little introverted and she has been meeting a lot of interesting people. I'm happy for her.
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Re: Younger people and remote jobs
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My step daughter recently graduated from college and was looking for a remote position. I told her that was a terrible idea. I explained to her that she needs to learn her field and it would be impossible to learn the ropes from people experienced in her line of work remotely. To me, for people starting out, they need to build a network and learn their business but it would be far more difficult to do that over zoom. She ended up getting an awesome job offer but it was in person. It was such a good opportunity that she would be foolish to pass on because of the in person requirement. She is actually very happy there and is learning a ton. It's good for her too because she is a little introverted and she has been meeting a lot of interesting people. I'm happy for her.
What industry is she in?
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My DH and i have been working at home for over 30 years by choice. Especially my husband he hates to work with anyone but himself. People suck so we are happy to not go in an office and put on a fake smile everyday. I think young people just want that dream job at home for the same reason.
I don't miss the work conversarions and the distractions that came working in the office at all. I just want to do my job and be done.
I do spend time on zoom with my managers and co-workers daily so its not like there is no communication.
See I love having both. I seem to have more distractions at home with letting the dog in and out, getting things done in the house. Who is asking for this or that or not get that because I have down time I am not working and then when I have an email and need to attend to it, they don't get that, that is how my day is.
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That generation is dead. This generation is smarter and knows that sacrificing is a farce.
How do you not sacrifice and still live? Unless you are very extremely well off, you will have to sacrifice something in life.
I agree. In my experience, any amount of financial success comes with hard work and dedication. No matter what your field, even things like being a professional athlete, which some view as hitting the lottery, involve years of hard work and dedication. On top of that then you need to sacrifice privacy and time with family etc. in professions like that.
From my personal experience, I had to work my a** off in college and in my 20s/early 30s to have the luxury to stay home when my kids were young and to be able to find part time flexible work that still pays relatively well. And my husband had to work his a** off too. It kills me when people talk about how "lucky" we are. Those same people spent their 20s partying and staying in dead end jobs because they were fun, easy and not a lot of work.
I find so much with being an adult as sacrifices. With relationships, jobs, kids, etc, etc. I find it funny how these 20 somethings think they are going to break that. There thinking is many times up in the clouds.
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Younger people and remote jobs
DH WFH twice a week, and his core hours are 9-2 the other days. It's been fantastic because we save money on before/after school care, and we aren't as stressed over the weekend getting tons of laundry and stuff done. He's able to help fold laundry, prep stuff for dinner, etc in between meetings. Other random house maintenance related things are also easier to get done when he's got those 2 days at home. He did work organizing the garage when it was nice out last week, power-washed some things outside, etc.... I love it! Makes it easier to actually enjoy our weekends with our kids.
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Re: Younger people and remote jobs
Posted by lululu
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Posted by klingklang77
That generation is dead. This generation is smarter and knows that sacrificing is a farce.
How do you not sacrifice and still live? Unless you are very extremely well off, you will have to sacrifice something in life.
I agree. In my experience, any amount of financial success comes with hard work and dedication. No matter what your field, even things like being a professional athlete, which some view as hitting the lottery, involve years of hard work and dedication. On top of that then you need to sacrifice privacy and time with family etc. in professions like that.
From my personal experience, I had to work my a** off in college and in my 20s/early 30s to have the luxury to stay home when my kids were young and to be able to find part time flexible work that still pays relatively well. And my husband had to work his a** off too. It kills me when people talk about how "lucky" we are. Those same people spent their 20s partying and staying in dead end jobs because they were fun, easy and not a lot of work.
In my experience, the opposite is true. The wealthiest people I know did not work very hard. If they weren’t handed a job through connections they live off family money. I know several families where neither spouse works.
Anyway, I think remote work depends on the industry. No one in my field can hire for in person jobs because for every in person job there are 5 remote ones. I personally think it’s a good idea for those just starting out to have the experience of being in a work environment with coworkers but not everyone feels the same.
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Re: Younger people and remote jobs
Posted by LuckyStar
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Posted by klingklang77
That generation is dead. This generation is smarter and knows that sacrificing is a farce.
How do you not sacrifice and still live? Unless you are very extremely well off, you will have to sacrifice something in life.
I agree. In my experience, any amount of financial success comes with hard work and dedication. No matter what your field, even things like being a professional athlete, which some view as hitting the lottery, involve years of hard work and dedication. On top of that then you need to sacrifice privacy and time with family etc. in professions like that.
From my personal experience, I had to work my a** off in college and in my 20s/early 30s to have the luxury to stay home when my kids were young and to be able to find part time flexible work that still pays relatively well. And my husband had to work his a** off too. It kills me when people talk about how "lucky" we are. Those same people spent their 20s partying and staying in dead end jobs because they were fun, easy and not a lot of work.
In my experience, the opposite is true. The wealthiest people I know did not work very hard. If they weren’t handed a job through connections they live off family money. I know several families where neither spouse works.
I am referring to people who want to acheive financial success - not people who already have wealth handed to them. Two totally different things. We were talking about younger people not wanting to work hard but still be successful.
Also, I think that while people who have connections do have a much easier time finding jobs, it doesn't mean that once they get them that they don't have to work hard at them to succeed. I know plenty of people who got jobs through connections and lost them due to laziness. I live in a pretty wealthy town and I would say most of the people here have worked hard most of their lives and continue to do so. It's not hard like "I work in a coal mine" hard, but it's working a lot of hours, sacraficing time with family, spending a lot of money on education, etc.
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DH WFH twice a week, and his core hours are 9-2 the other days. It's been fantastic because we save money on before/after school care, and we aren't as stressed over the weekend getting tons of laundry and stuff done. He's able to help fold laundry, prep stuff for dinner, etc in between meetings. Other random house maintenance related things are also easier to get done when he's got those 2 days at home. He did work organizing the garage when it was nice out last week, power-washed some things outside, etc.... I love it! Makes it easier to actually enjoy our weekends with our kids.
That's awesome. We have to work our regular 9-5 hours at home so it is harder to get into a project when working at home. Throwing in a load or emptying the dishwasher is not as hard.
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Re: Younger people and remote jobs
Posted by RainyDay
I don't miss the work conversarions and the distractions that came working in the office at all. I just want to do my job and be done.
I do spend time on zoom with my managers and co-workers daily so its not like there is no communication.
Ugh - I hated that! People commented on how I come across as unfriendly, but really it's just b/c I'm in the office to do my job, not stand around all day and chit chat. Before the pandemic I was trying to drink more water, but that meant I had to walk by the front desk every time I had to go to the bathroom. The front desk person wanted to chat EVERY time I walked by. I had to start pulling my phone out when I walked by.
But now - they see that I'm super friendly in our zoom meetings, and everything is fine.
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Re: Younger people and remote jobs
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Many are just lazy and don't want a set time to get up and work and have to be in an office setting to do so.
I know a few "young adults" who think us older people just have settled and they don't want the type of life that is stable with a routine. You know, like being an adult.  
It AMAZES me how people ASSUME just because people work remote that they are lazy. I am now 100% fully remote, which I love but work longer hours than if I was in an office. Thise extra hours not spent commuting back and forth are usually used to work now instead.
Even working remotely I have a set routine, get up, get ready, get dressed just like I would if I was going into the office.
I actually know the opposite can be true too. My last in person job I would sit there for hours with absolutely nothing to do. Everyone could have benefited if they paid me less and let me work part time from home but that was unheard of back then!
I think employers are going to have a harder time getting younger generations to come into the office and if they are going to force they are going to have to start paying out more. Dh is in the office 4 days a week and they are having a hard time attracting quality staff because noone wants to come in full time and the company thinks they can still pay pre-pandemic wages.
Why the hell would they want to come into the office when you can sit at home on your ass making money from social media?
THAT last part is SO true. Everyone wants to the next youtube star. They don't want the 9-5 job but want the money.
I definitely think that there are a bunch of dreamers in the younger generation, thinking they can just be an influencer and make boatloads. However, our family friends' daughter wants to major in social media marketing in college and her parent's are so dismissive of it. But honestly it's not much different than one of us wanting to major in advertising. Sometimes as old people I think that we forget that the world is a completely different place than when we were younger.
That's true but many think these things will last them a lifetime and want to live more "free" than the last generation who knows that it is hard work and sacrifice to be an adult.
That generation is dead. This generation is smarter and knows that sacrificing is a farce.
How do you not sacrifice and still live? Unless you are very extremely well off, you will have to sacrifice something in life.
There is nothing to sacrifice for anymore. It’s very different than when we were their age.
They do the bare minimum and why should they do any more? Pay sucks. Healthcare is expensive. There will be no pension for them since birth rates are falling, and so much more. I don’t blame them. They jump from job to job since “loyalty” doesn’t really exist. When the future looks so bleak to them, why bother working harder to get ahead, which doesn’t exist anyway.
The system is broken. Something has to change.
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Re: Younger people and remote jobs
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There is nothing to sacrifice for anymore. It’s very different than when we were their age.
They do the bare minimum and why should they do any more? Pay sucks. Healthcare is expensive. There will be no pension for them since birth rates are falling, and so much more. I don’t blame them. They jump from job to job since “loyalty” doesn’t really exist. When the future looks so bleak to them, why bother working harder to get ahead, which doesn’t exist anyway.
The system is broken. Something has to change.
If my kids had that attitude I think I might die. I don't have a pension, never have and it never impacted my desire to work hard to get ahead. If anything it made me want to make more to contribute more to my 401K. And healthcare is typically paid for by your employer here so I am not sure how healthcare being so expensive would make you less motivated to work....
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Re: Younger people and remote jobs
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There is nothing to sacrifice for anymore. It’s very different than when we were their age.
They do the bare minimum and why should they do any more? Pay sucks. Healthcare is expensive. There will be no pension for them since birth rates are falling, and so much more. I don’t blame them. They jump from job to job since “loyalty” doesn’t really exist. When the future looks so bleak to them, why bother working harder to get ahead, which doesn’t exist anyway.
The system is broken. Something has to change.
If my kids had that attitude I think I might die. I don't have a pension, never have and it never impacted my desire to work hard to get ahead. If anything it made me want to make more to contribute more to my 401K. And healthcare is typically paid for by your employer here so I am not sure how healthcare being so expensive would make you less motivated to work....
There are so many things that healthcare doesn’t pay, and your employer doesn’t pay for that. And a lot of jobs don’t offer healthcare. When I was a freelancer, healthcare was not included, so I had to pay all of it. Even now I pay half and my employer pays half. Healthcare is not free here.
I had a lot of hurdles in getting work because my field has a lot of regulations (too long to explain, but it has to do with contracts). It was really depressing because I was working to live. I lost all motivation, so I can understand this line of thinking, even if it sounds crazy. I was able to find a way out and get a contract job, but it took years.
It’s good that you are able to contribute to your 401K. A lot of people have nothing to contribute.
Strangely enough, I had a “home office” day today and I did absolutely nothing
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Many are just lazy and don't want a set time to get up and work and have to be in an office setting to do so.
I know a few "young adults" who think us older people just have settled and they don't want the type of life that is stable with a routine. You know, like being an adult.
It AMAZES me how people ASSUME just because people work remote that they are lazy. I am now 100% fully remote, which I love but work longer hours than if I was in an office. Thise extra hours not spent commuting back and forth are usually used to work now instead.
Even working remotely I have a set routine, get up, get ready, get dressed just like I would if I was going into the office.
I actually know the opposite can be true too. My last in person job I would sit there for hours with absolutely nothing to do. Everyone could have benefited if they paid me less and let me work part time from home but that was unheard of back then!
I think employers are going to have a harder time getting younger generations to come into the office and if they are going to force they are going to have to start paying out more. Dh is in the office 4 days a week and they are having a hard time attracting quality staff because noone wants to come in full time and the company thinks they can still pay pre-pandemic wages.
Why the hell would they want to come into the office when you can sit at home on your ass making money from social media?
THAT last part is SO true. Everyone wants to the next youtube star. They don't want the 9-5 job but want the money.
I definitely think that there are a bunch of dreamers in the younger generation, thinking they can just be an influencer and make boatloads. However, our family friends' daughter wants to major in social media marketing in college and her parent's are so dismissive of it. But honestly it's not much different than one of us wanting to major in advertising. Sometimes as old people I think that we forget that the world is a completely different place than when we were younger.
That's true but many think these things will last them a lifetime and want to live more "free" than the last generation who knows that it is hard work and sacrifice to be an adult.
That generation is dead. This generation is smarter and knows that sacrificing is a farce.
How do you not sacrifice and still live? Unless you are very extremely well off, you will have to sacrifice something in life.
There is nothing to sacrifice for anymore. It’s very different than when we were their age.
They do the bare minimum and why should they do any more? Pay sucks. Healthcare is expensive. There will be no pension for them since birth rates are falling, and so much more. I don’t blame them. They jump from job to job since “loyalty” doesn’t really exist. When the future looks so bleak to them, why bother working harder to get ahead, which doesn’t exist anyway.
The system is broken. Something has to change.
I would hope my kids didn't have that attitude, honestly. Sacrificing stinks but we all have to do some and many kids are so entitled that they think they shouldn't have to anymore.
I will have no pension and can't always contribute to my retirement so we will probably work forever also.
I don't pay anywhere as near as much for healthcare that many do and I was paying double the amount I pay now at my last job. That is why I can't just get up and move or jump from job to job as that is very important to me.
I don't think, they think, the future looks bleak but they just have this head in the clouds way of thinking and it will eventually bite them in the butt when they get into their 30's and 40's.
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Re: Younger people and remote jobs
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There is nothing to sacrifice for anymore. It’s very different than when we were their age.
They do the bare minimum and why should they do any more? Pay sucks. Healthcare is expensive. There will be no pension for them since birth rates are falling, and so much more. I don’t blame them. They jump from job to job since “loyalty” doesn’t really exist. When the future looks so bleak to them, why bother working harder to get ahead, which doesn’t exist anyway.
The system is broken. Something has to change.
If my kids had that attitude I think I might die. I don't have a pension, never have and it never impacted my desire to work hard to get ahead. If anything it made me want to make more to contribute more to my 401K. And healthcare is typically paid for by your employer here so I am not sure how healthcare being so expensive would make you less motivated to work....
There are so many things that healthcare doesn’t pay, and your employer doesn’t pay for that. And a lot of jobs don’t offer healthcare. When I was a freelancer, healthcare was not included, so I had to pay all of it. Even now I pay half and my employer pays half. Healthcare is not free here.
I had a lot of hurdles in getting work because my field has a lot of regulations (too long to explain, but it has to do with contracts). It was really depressing because I was working to live. I lost all motivation, so I can understand this line of thinking, even if it sounds crazy. I was able to find a way out and get a contract job, but it took years.
It’s good that you are able to contribute to your 401K. A lot of people have nothing to contribute.
Strangely enough, I had a “home office” day today and I did absolutely nothing
. There was no work to do. They only give us these days in between quarters.
Healthcare in the US pays for A LOT. I am not sure what the healthcare is like in Germany but here if you have insurance, typically it's pretty good. And I hate to tell you but most people work to live. That's life. I didn't become an accountant because of my love of financial statements. I did it because it pays well and offers job stability! I think that's what Windy is referring to about making sacrifices. Anyway, I know a lot of 20 somethings and none of them match this attitude. If my kids behaved like that I would smack some sense into them and welcome them to the real world, after spending a lot of time wondering where I went wrong as a parent.
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I’m surprised so many want to work remote. If you have young kids and need to be home for them I get it, but there’s something to be said for getting out of the house and socializing with actual people, not over a screen. Being home makes my depression so much worse…
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I’m surprised so many want to work remote. If you have young kids and need to be home for them I get it, but there’s something to be said for getting out of the house and socializing with actual people, not over a screen. Being home makes my depression so much worse…
Same girl, same.
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I’m surprised so many want to work remote. If you have young kids and need to be home for them I get it, but there’s something to be said for getting out of the house and socializing with actual people, not over a screen. Being home makes my depression so much worse…
I would not have wanted to work remote if I was young. I loved getting out and meeting people. I met so many great friends at work. I actually met my husband too. Now it's great for me because I have other mom friends to meet up with for lunch and what not but for young people I don't get it.
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I am hybrid employee so I have the best of both worlds—— and the one day I do go the office , after 4 hours I am outta there and finishing my day at home. As long as we show our face every once in a while my boss is fine with it. It is now more of a hassle for me to go into the office. It’s great to see people but some of these same people I see outside of work anyway.
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Re: Younger people and remote jobs
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I’m surprised so many want to work remote. If you have young kids and need to be home for them I get it, but there’s something to be said for getting out of the house and socializing with actual people, not over a screen. Being home makes my depression so much worse…
My husband hates working with anyone and so do i so that may be the reason young people would rather work on their own. Neither of us wants to be on a "team" to get the job done when we can do it perfectly fine ourselves.
If you already have friends you hang out with, their is no need to socialize with co workers....I know none of our friends were ever originally co workers and actually some were/are clients. I guess making friends in the workplace is great if you don't already have that.
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There is nothing to sacrifice for anymore. It’s very different than when we were their age.
They do the bare minimum and why should they do any more? Pay sucks. Healthcare is expensive. There will be no pension for them since birth rates are falling, and so much more. I don’t blame them. They jump from job to job since “loyalty” doesn’t really exist. When the future looks so bleak to them, why bother working harder to get ahead, which doesn’t exist anyway.
The system is broken. Something has to change.
If my kids had that attitude I think I might die. I don't have a pension, never have and it never impacted my desire to work hard to get ahead. If anything it made me want to make more to contribute more to my 401K. And healthcare is typically paid for by your employer here so I am not sure how healthcare being so expensive would make you less motivated to work....
There are so many things that healthcare doesn’t pay, and your employer doesn’t pay for that. And a lot of jobs don’t offer healthcare. When I was a freelancer, healthcare was not included, so I had to pay all of it. Even now I pay half and my employer pays half. Healthcare is not free here.
I had a lot of hurdles in getting work because my field has a lot of regulations (too long to explain, but it has to do with contracts). It was really depressing because I was working to live. I lost all motivation, so I can understand this line of thinking, even if it sounds crazy. I was able to find a way out and get a contract job, but it took years.
It’s good that you are able to contribute to your 401K. A lot of people have nothing to contribute.
Strangely enough, I had a “home office” day today and I did absolutely nothing
. There was no work to do. They only give us these days in between quarters.
Healthcare in the US pays for A LOT. I am not sure what the healthcare is like in Germany but here if you have insurance, typically it's pretty good. And I hate to tell you but most people work to live. That's life. I didn't become an accountant because of my love of financial statements. I did it because it pays well and offers job stability! I think that's what Windy is referring to about making sacrifices. Anyway, I know a lot of 20 somethings and none of them match this attitude. If my kids behaved like that I would smack some sense into them and welcome them to the real world, after spending a lot of time wondering where I went wrong as a parent.
I have read stories about US health insurance where a lot was not covered and all of these out-of-network fees.
May I ask how much you pay for health insurance per month?
And, of course, no one wants to actually work and it is something you actually have to do.
What I mean was as a freelancer, I was paying to work. It was paycheck to paycheck. That’s a whole other story that is too long to explain.
Healthcare here is mandatory. You have a choice of public or private health insurance. The rates are different between freelancer and contract workers. I pay about 300 a month for health insurance. Almost everything is included in that. You may have to pay 5 for prescriptions if they aren’t generic. There are no networks. I broke my shoulder a few years ago and the total was about 50 out-of-pocket costs.
If you are freelancer, the cost is much higher. If you don’t pay, then you still get emergency services covered by law. If you go on welfare or unemployment, they pay your health insurance.
I think in the US a lot of young people are not happy with the way things are. They will probably never own a house now. They can’t have kids because of maternity leave and kids are expensive. Sick time off is horrible in the US. We can have up to 6 weeks. If it is more than that, then our health insurance companies pay salaries. Vacation time is ridiculous in the US. The labor laws are insane there. So young people jump from job to job.
I think we should have more appreciation for young people. After all, they will be the ones supporting our generation. It shouldn’t be us against them. There is no sense in complaining about them. It makes more sense to complain about corporations and governmental policies.
Things need to change. And sacrificing doesn’t work these days. People don’t want to work under these conditions anymore.
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| Posted 3/31/23 6:21 PM |
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ChilisWife
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Re: Younger people and remote jobs
Honestly, whether or not working from home "works" completely depends on what type of job you have. Not everyone has a distinct 10-item list of things do do on a particular day that they do completely solo so they can finish whenever they want and then go do whatever.
Many jobs require cooperation with other team members and speaking from 2 years of experience now, it is MUCH more difficult to get things done timely when every single conversation has to be scheduled and you can only hope that someone answers a phone call or email before a day goes by. I used to be able to walk across the hall, ask a 30 second question, and get on with it. Now that task takes 2 days and honestly I'm not interested in your getting back to me at 7pm on a Friday night because you were busy running errands all day.
I understand that people want to wear pajamas, not commute, eat when they want and do some laundry. And that is wonderful but being present and available from 9am-5pm from Monday-Friday is why people get paid a certain amount of money and I think now people expect to get paid MORE for doing LESS.
And before everyone says "oh I work 24/7, I am at my desk at home all day long, I work harder, I respond immediately, etc." well then I wish you worked with me. But I don't know anyone like that.
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| Posted 3/31/23 7:21 PM |
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Re: Younger people and remote jobs
Posted by MrsWoods
Posted by Mrs213
I’m surprised so many want to work remote. If you have young kids and need to be home for them I get it, but there’s something to be said for getting out of the house and socializing with actual people, not over a screen. Being home makes my depression so much worse…
My husband hates working with anyone and so do i so that may be the reason young people would rather work on their own. Neither of us wants to be on a "team" to get the job done when we can do it perfectly fine ourselves.
If you already have friends you hang out with, their is no need to socialize with co workers....I know none of our friends were ever originally co workers and actually some were/are clients. I guess making friends in the workplace is great if you don't already have that.
My friends from work have always spilled into my personal life, going out together, going to weddings, parties, etc. They have met my friends from outside of work too.
I guess it just depends on the person as many are not social and like a smaller circle.
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| Posted 3/31/23 7:30 PM |
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Re: Younger people and remote jobs
Posted by klingklang77
Posted by lululu
Posted by klingklang77
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Posted by klingklang77
There is nothing to sacrifice for anymore. It’s very different than when we were their age.
They do the bare minimum and why should they do any more? Pay sucks. Healthcare is expensive. There will be no pension for them since birth rates are falling, and so much more. I don’t blame them. They jump from job to job since “loyalty” doesn’t really exist. When the future looks so bleak to them, why bother working harder to get ahead, which doesn’t exist anyway.
The system is broken. Something has to change.
If my kids had that attitude I think I might die. I don't have a pension, never have and it never impacted my desire to work hard to get ahead. If anything it made me want to make more to contribute more to my 401K. And healthcare is typically paid for by your employer here so I am not sure how healthcare being so expensive would make you less motivated to work....
There are so many things that healthcare doesn’t pay, and your employer doesn’t pay for that. And a lot of jobs don’t offer healthcare. When I was a freelancer, healthcare was not included, so I had to pay all of it. Even now I pay half and my employer pays half. Healthcare is not free here.
I had a lot of hurdles in getting work because my field has a lot of regulations (too long to explain, but it has to do with contracts). It was really depressing because I was working to live. I lost all motivation, so I can understand this line of thinking, even if it sounds crazy. I was able to find a way out and get a contract job, but it took years.
It’s good that you are able to contribute to your 401K. A lot of people have nothing to contribute.
Strangely enough, I had a “home office” day today and I did absolutely nothing
. There was no work to do. They only give us these days in between quarters.
Healthcare in the US pays for A LOT. I am not sure what the healthcare is like in Germany but here if you have insurance, typically it's pretty good. And I hate to tell you but most people work to live. That's life. I didn't become an accountant because of my love of financial statements. I did it because it pays well and offers job stability! I think that's what Windy is referring to about making sacrifices. Anyway, I know a lot of 20 somethings and none of them match this attitude. If my kids behaved like that I would smack some sense into them and welcome them to the real world, after spending a lot of time wondering where I went wrong as a parent.
I have read stories about US health insurance where a lot was not covered and all of these out-of-network fees.
May I ask how much you pay for health insurance per month?
And, of course, no one wants to actually work and it is something you actually have to do.
What I mean was as a freelancer, I was paying to work. It was paycheck to paycheck. That’s a whole other story that is too long to explain.
Healthcare here is mandatory. You have a choice of public or private health insurance. The rates are different between freelancer and contract workers. I pay about 300 a month for health insurance. Almost everything is included in that. You may have to pay 5 for prescriptions if they aren’t generic. There are no networks. I broke my shoulder a few years ago and the total was about 50 out-of-pocket costs.
If you are freelancer, the cost is much higher. If you don’t pay, then you still get emergency services covered by law. If you go on welfare or unemployment, they pay your health insurance.
I think in the US a lot of young people are not happy with the way things are. They will probably never own a house now. They can’t have kids because of maternity leave and kids are expensive. Sick time off is horrible in the US. We can have up to 6 weeks. If it is more than that, then our health insurance companies pay salaries. Vacation time is ridiculous in the US. The labor laws are insane there. So young people jump from job to job.
I think we should have more appreciation for young people. After all, they will be the ones supporting our generation. It shouldn’t be us against them. There is no sense in complaining about them. It makes more sense to complain about corporations and governmental policies.
Things need to change. And sacrificing doesn’t work these days. People don’t want to work under these conditions anymore.
To answer your question about healthcare, I pay $239/month for 4 people. Medical, dental and eye (which is free). Things not as cheap as Germany of course but this is why it is hard for me to move as I would have to find a job that pays well and medical low.
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