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Raging2020
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California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Does anyone actually support a mandate for k-12 students?
Curious if this would ever fly in New York
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KarenK122
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by Raging2020
Does anyone actually support a mandate for k-12 students?
Curious if this would ever fly in New York
I don't think it matters if we support it or not. I have no doubt the Governor will mandate this once the shot is out for the younger children. Personally, if it does get mandated I don't think it will be done before the next school year.
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| Posted 10/1/21 4:14 PM |
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MrsWoods
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California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Our course it is. Any Liberal state will most likely have this crap happen.
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| Posted 10/1/21 4:44 PM |
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Diane
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by MrsWoods
Our course it is. Any Liberal state will most likely have this crap happen. [/QUO
Totally agree.
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| Posted 10/1/21 4:53 PM |
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whoababy11
it's only forever
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Good. I know I will feel better knowing my kids will be more protected. And whoever doesn’t want to vaccinate does have a choice: homeschool. Same for the teachers in my school who are unvaccinated. You can be unvaccinated, but you can’t work here. There is always a choice.
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| Posted 10/1/21 4:54 PM |
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BargainMama
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California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Los Angeles Schools already require everyone of age to be vaccinated against Covid. So it's not surprising the entire state is going to follow suit.
It's only a matter of time before it happens here as well. Just like the chicken pox vaccine, the Hepatitis vaccine and every other vaccine is required. Our kids are NOT getting hepatitis at school, so why do they need that? (I've stated this before). Chicken Pox isn't deadly, so why is that mandated? We do know that Covid kills, we are going to be up to a million deaths soon in the US. Yes, it kills more adults than kids, but kids can pass it onto adults. If everyone is vaccinated, the death rate goes down, right? So I get the logic, 100%. No one is changing anyone's minds or opinions though. So...
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| Posted 10/1/21 5:04 PM |
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blu6385
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
If it would fly in NY ??? Ummm yes it would. We already have vaccine mandates. It should be no surprise if it passes here.
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| Posted 10/1/21 5:04 PM |
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soontobemommyof2
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by Diane
Posted by MrsWoods
Our course it is. Any Liberal state will most likely have this crap happen.
Totally agree.
This! There are people in here that are literally counting the days for that to happen, u know...the ones that make laws and make u think they’re doing it to protect ur children.
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| Posted 10/1/21 5:09 PM |
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JandJ1224
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
I am all for following the science etc. but I don't think at the current time the science really supports this. Less than a year into vaccines we now know that vaccinated still can get sick and pass the virus on to others. If the point of the vaccine is to lessen serious cases and reduce hospitalizations and deaths than why is it necessary to give to the population of children who are least likely to get sick or die from the virus in the first place.
I'm disappointed that this is being pushed so quickly and seemingly because of an agenda that doesn't follow the science.
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| Posted 10/1/21 5:13 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by JandJ1224
I am all for following the science etc. but I don't think at the current time the science really supports this. Less than a year into vaccines we now know that vaccinated still can get sick and pass the virus on to others. If the point of the vaccine is to lessen serious cases and reduce hospitalizations and deaths than why is it necessary to give to the population of children who are least likely to get sick or die from the virus in the first place.
I'm disappointed that this is being pushed so quickly and seemingly because of an agenda that doesn't follow the science.
Exactly. This absolutely does not follow science at all.
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| Posted 10/1/21 5:43 PM |
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Raging2020
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California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Ugh these responses have me researching a move.
I have nothing against the current school vaccine mandates. As they have been around for a while and actually prevent sickness. This one I’m not ready to give my kids.
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| Posted 10/1/21 5:47 PM |
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BFNY516
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California to require Covid vaccine for all students
It’s crazy when you compare California to Texas. Both very extreme. One with the vaccines and one with anti abortion laws.
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| Posted 10/1/21 7:53 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by blu6385
If it would fly in NY ??? Ummm yes it would. We already have vaccine mandates. It should be no surprise if it passes here.
The flu shot was never mandated for school in NY.
And the flu is just if not more dangerous to kids than Covid.
So makes you wonder why....
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| Posted 10/1/21 8:50 PM |
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newlywedT
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California to require Covid vaccine for all students
>> If the point of the vaccine is to lessen serious cases and reduce hospitalizations and deaths than why is it necessary to give to the population of children who are least likely to get sick or die from the virus in the first place.
Don't remember if I read it here or somewhere else, but apparently the UK has recommended NOT having kids get vaccinated, because the side effects of the vaccine is more dangerous than covid for kids.
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| Posted 10/1/21 9:03 PM |
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NervousNell
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by newlywedT
>> If the point of the vaccine is to lessen serious cases and reduce hospitalizations and deaths than why is it necessary to give to the population of children who are least likely to get sick or die from the virus in the first place.
Don't remember if I read it here or somewhere else, but apparently the UK has recommended NOT having kids get vaccinated, because the side effects of the vaccine is more dangerous than covid for kids.
That's correct.
As much as people want to make this like it's horribly dangerous for young kids because that pushes the fear narrative, the fact is, it's not.
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| Posted 10/1/21 9:27 PM |
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jellybean78
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by newlywedT
>> If the point of the vaccine is to lessen serious cases and reduce hospitalizations and deaths than why is it necessary to give to the population of children who are least likely to get sick or die from the virus in the first place.
Don't remember if I read it here or somewhere else, but apparently the UK has recommended NOT having kids get vaccinated, because the side effects of the vaccine is more dangerous than covid for kids.
Exactly there is no science or data to back up this mandate. It is utterly frightening how these mandates are passing down to our children.
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| Posted 10/1/21 11:25 PM |
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ali120206
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by JandJ1224
I am all for following the science etc. but I don't think at the current time the science really supports this. Less than a year into vaccines we now know that vaccinated still can get sick and pass the virus on to others. If the point of the vaccine is to lessen serious cases and reduce hospitalizations and deaths than why is it necessary to give to the population of children who are least likely to get sick or die from the virus in the first place.
I'm disappointed that this is being pushed so quickly and seemingly because of an agenda that doesn't follow the science.
It does not support this at all but I am sure there will be a mandate once it’s fully FDA approved.
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ChilisWife
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
I read California’s mandate will be for NEXT Fall, not this year. I am sure NY will be the same. Hopefully by then more of the lies and corruption will be exposed and they will be forced to backtrack. Homeschool is NOT a choice for the majority of families.
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| Posted 10/2/21 7:46 AM |
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mxoxom2004
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California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Good! It should be added to the schedule of mandatory vaccinations.
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| Posted 10/4/21 9:50 AM |
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NervousNell
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by mxoxom2004
Good! It should be added to the schedule of mandatory vaccinations.
Why?
What data supports that for children?
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| Posted 10/4/21 10:10 AM |
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mxoxom2004
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by mxoxom2004
Good! It should be added to the schedule of mandatory vaccinations.
Why?
What data supports that for children?
Hospitalizations Associated with COVID-19 Among Children and Adolescents - COVID-NET, 14 States, March 1, 2020-August 14, 2021.
Although COVID-19-associated hospitalizations and deaths have occurred more frequently in adults, † COVID-19 can also lead to severe outcomes in children and adolescents (1,2). Schools are opening for in-person learning, and many prekindergarten children are returning to early care and education programs during a time when the number of COVID-19 cases caused by the highly transmissible B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, is increasing. § Therefore, it is important to monitor indicators of severe COVID-19 among children and adolescents. This analysis uses Coronavirus Disease 2019-Associated Hospitalization Surveillance Network (COVID-NET) ¶ data to describe COVID-19-associated hospitalizations among U.S. children and adolescents aged 0-17 years.
During March 1, 2020-August 14, 2021, the cumulative incidence of COVID-19-associated hospitalizations was 49.7 per 100,000 children and adolescents. The weekly COVID-19-associated hospitalization rate per 100,000 children and adolescents during the week ending August 14, 2021 (1.4) was nearly five times the rate during the week ending June 26, 2021 (0.3); among children aged 0-4 years, the weekly hospitalization rate during the week ending August 14, 2021, was nearly 10 times that during the week ending June 26, 2021. ** During June 20-July 31, 2021, the hospitalization rate among unvaccinated adolescents (aged 12-17 years) was 10.1 times higher than that among fully vaccinated adolescents.
Among all hospitalized children and adolescents with COVID-19, the proportions with indicators of severe disease (such as intensive care unit [ICU] admission) after the Delta variant became predominant (June 20-July 31, 2021) were similar to those earlier in the pandemic (March 1, 2020-June 19, 2021). Implementation of preventive measures to reduce transmission and severe outcomes in children is critical, including vaccination of eligible persons, universal mask wearing in schools, recommended mask wearing by persons aged =2 years in other indoor public spaces and child care centers, †† and quarantining as recommended after exposure to persons with COVID-19. §§ .
Systemic Inflammation Is Associated With Neurologic Involvement in Pediatric Inflammatory Multisystem Syndrome Associated With SARS-CoV-2.
Objective: Pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome temporally associated with SARS-CoV-2 (PIMS-TS) is a severe immune-mediated disorder. We aim to report the neurologic features of children with PIMS-TS.
Methods: We identified children presenting to a large children's hospital with PIMS-TS from March to June 2020 and performed a retrospective medical note review, identifying clinical and investigative features alongside short-term outcome of children presenting with neurologic symptoms.
Results: Seventy-five patients with PIMS-TS were identified, 9 (12%) had neurologic involvement: altered conciseness (3), behavioral changes (3), focal neurology deficits (2), persistent headaches (2), hallucinations (2), excessive sleepiness (1), and new-onset focal seizures (1). Four patients had cranial images abnormalities. At 3-month follow-up, 1 child had died, 1 had hemiparesis, 3 had behavioral changes, and 4 completely recovered. Systemic inflammatory and prothrombotic markers were higher in patients with neurologic involvement (mean highest CRP 267 vs 202 mg/L, p = 0.05; procalcitonin 30.65 vs 13.11 µg/L, p = 0.04; fibrinogen 7.04 vs 6.17 g/L, p = 0.07; d-dimers 19.68 vs 7.35 mg/L, p = 0.005). Among patients with neurologic involvement, these markers were higher in those without full recovery at 3 months (ferritin 2284 vs 283 µg/L, p = 0.05; d-dimers 30.34 vs 6.37 mg/L, p = 0.04). Patients with and without neurologic involvement shared similar risk factors for PIMS-TS (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic ethnicity 78% vs 70%, obese/overweight 56% vs 42%).
Conclusions: Broad neurologic features were found in 12% patients with PIMS-TS. By 3-month follow-up, half of these surviving children had recovered fully without neurologic impairment. Significantly higher systemic inflammatory markers were identified in children with neurologic involvement and in those who had not recovered fully.
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| Posted 10/4/21 10:50 AM |
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NervousNell
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by mxoxom2004
Good! It should be added to the schedule of mandatory vaccinations.
Why?
What data supports that for children?
Hospitalizations Associated with COVID-19 Among Children and Adolescents - COVID-NET, 14 States, March 1, 2020-August 14, 2021.
Although COVID-19-associated hospitalizations and deaths have occurred more frequently in adults, † COVID-19 can also lead to severe outcomes in children and adolescents (1,2). Schools are opening for in-person learning, and many prekindergarten children are returning to early care and education programs during a time when the number of COVID-19 cases caused by the highly transmissible B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, is increasing. § Therefore, it is important to monitor indicators of severe COVID-19 among children and adolescents. This analysis uses Coronavirus Disease 2019-Associated Hospitalization Surveillance Network (COVID-NET) ¶ data to describe COVID-19-associated hospitalizations among U.S. children and adolescents aged 0-17 years.
During March 1, 2020-August 14, 2021, the cumulative incidence of COVID-19-associated hospitalizations was 49.7 per 100,000 children and adolescents. The weekly COVID-19-associated hospitalization rate per 100,000 children and adolescents during the week ending August 14, 2021 (1.4) was nearly five times the rate during the week ending June 26, 2021 (0.3); among children aged 0-4 years, the weekly hospitalization rate during the week ending August 14, 2021, was nearly 10 times that during the week ending June 26, 2021. ** During June 20-July 31, 2021, the hospitalization rate among unvaccinated adolescents (aged 12-17 years) was 10.1 times higher than that among fully vaccinated adolescents.
Among all hospitalized children and adolescents with COVID-19, the proportions with indicators of severe disease (such as intensive care unit [ICU] admission) after the Delta variant became predominant (June 20-July 31, 2021) were similar to those earlier in the pandemic (March 1, 2020-June 19, 2021). Implementation of preventive measures to reduce transmission and severe outcomes in children is critical, including vaccination of eligible persons, universal mask wearing in schools, recommended mask wearing by persons aged =2 years in other indoor public spaces and child care centers, †† and quarantining as recommended after exposure to persons with COVID-19. §§ .
Systemic Inflammation Is Associated With Neurologic Involvement in Pediatric Inflammatory Multisystem Syndrome Associated With SARS-CoV-2.
Objective: Pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome temporally associated with SARS-CoV-2 (PIMS-TS) is a severe immune-mediated disorder. We aim to report the neurologic features of children with PIMS-TS.
Methods: We identified children presenting to a large children's hospital with PIMS-TS from March to June 2020 and performed a retrospective medical note review, identifying clinical and investigative features alongside short-term outcome of children presenting with neurologic symptoms.
Results: Seventy-five patients with PIMS-TS were identified, 9 (12%) had neurologic involvement: altered conciseness (3), behavioral changes (3), focal neurology deficits (2), persistent headaches (2), hallucinations (2), excessive sleepiness (1), and new-onset focal seizures (1). Four patients had cranial images abnormalities. At 3-month follow-up, 1 child had died, 1 had hemiparesis, 3 had behavioral changes, and 4 completely recovered. Systemic inflammatory and prothrombotic markers were higher in patients with neurologic involvement (mean highest CRP 267 vs 202 mg/L, p = 0.05; procalcitonin 30.65 vs 13.11 µg/L, p = 0.04; fibrinogen 7.04 vs 6.17 g/L, p = 0.07; d-dimers 19.68 vs 7.35 mg/L, p = 0.005). Among patients with neurologic involvement, these markers were higher in those without full recovery at 3 months (ferritin 2284 vs 283 µg/L, p = 0.05; d-dimers 30.34 vs 6.37 mg/L, p = 0.04). Patients with and without neurologic involvement shared similar risk factors for PIMS-TS (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic ethnicity 78% vs 70%, obese/overweight 56% vs 42%).
Conclusions: Broad neurologic features were found in 12% patients with PIMS-TS. By 3-month follow-up, half of these surviving children had recovered fully without neurologic impairment. Significantly higher systemic inflammatory markers were identified in children with neurologic involvement and in those who had not recovered fully.
And with all this it still should be the PARENT'S choice.
You're afraid? Vaccinate your kid.
Stay out of my decision for MY child.
And the Flu shot is not mandated. And I'm sure the numbers are similar for flu.
So why is the flu shot not mandated for school?
Any stats on that??
Message edited 10/4/2021 11:10:05 AM.
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| Posted 10/4/21 11:06 AM |
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pugmama
April already?
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California to require Covid vaccine for all students
I am okay with 12 and up (and both my kids are over 12 and vaccinated as of August) but I am not okay with pushing it on the younger kids
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| Posted 10/4/21 11:07 AM |
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jellybean78
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by mxoxom2004
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by mxoxom2004
Good! It should be added to the schedule of mandatory vaccinations.
Why?
What data supports that for children?
Hospitalizations Associated with COVID-19 Among Children and Adolescents - COVID-NET, 14 States, March 1, 2020-August 14, 2021.
Although COVID-19-associated hospitalizations and deaths have occurred more frequently in adults, † COVID-19 can also lead to severe outcomes in children and adolescents (1,2). Schools are opening for in-person learning, and many prekindergarten children are returning to early care and education programs during a time when the number of COVID-19 cases caused by the highly transmissible B.1.617.2 (Delta) variant of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, is increasing. § Therefore, it is important to monitor indicators of severe COVID-19 among children and adolescents. This analysis uses Coronavirus Disease 2019-Associated Hospitalization Surveillance Network (COVID-NET) ¶ data to describe COVID-19-associated hospitalizations among U.S. children and adolescents aged 0-17 years.
During March 1, 2020-August 14, 2021, the cumulative incidence of COVID-19-associated hospitalizations was 49.7 per 100,000 children and adolescents. The weekly COVID-19-associated hospitalization rate per 100,000 children and adolescents during the week ending August 14, 2021 (1.4) was nearly five times the rate during the week ending June 26, 2021 (0.3); among children aged 0-4 years, the weekly hospitalization rate during the week ending August 14, 2021, was nearly 10 times that during the week ending June 26, 2021. ** During June 20-July 31, 2021, the hospitalization rate among unvaccinated adolescents (aged 12-17 years) was 10.1 times higher than that among fully vaccinated adolescents.
Among all hospitalized children and adolescents with COVID-19, the proportions with indicators of severe disease (such as intensive care unit [ICU] admission) after the Delta variant became predominant (June 20-July 31, 2021) were similar to those earlier in the pandemic (March 1, 2020-June 19, 2021). Implementation of preventive measures to reduce transmission and severe outcomes in children is critical, including vaccination of eligible persons, universal mask wearing in schools, recommended mask wearing by persons aged =2 years in other indoor public spaces and child care centers, †† and quarantining as recommended after exposure to persons with COVID-19. §§ .
Systemic Inflammation Is Associated With Neurologic Involvement in Pediatric Inflammatory Multisystem Syndrome Associated With SARS-CoV-2.
Objective: Pediatric inflammatory multisystem syndrome temporally associated with SARS-CoV-2 (PIMS-TS) is a severe immune-mediated disorder. We aim to report the neurologic features of children with PIMS-TS.
Methods: We identified children presenting to a large children's hospital with PIMS-TS from March to June 2020 and performed a retrospective medical note review, identifying clinical and investigative features alongside short-term outcome of children presenting with neurologic symptoms.
Results: Seventy-five patients with PIMS-TS were identified, 9 (12%) had neurologic involvement: altered conciseness (3), behavioral changes (3), focal neurology deficits (2), persistent headaches (2), hallucinations (2), excessive sleepiness (1), and new-onset focal seizures (1). Four patients had cranial images abnormalities. At 3-month follow-up, 1 child had died, 1 had hemiparesis, 3 had behavioral changes, and 4 completely recovered. Systemic inflammatory and prothrombotic markers were higher in patients with neurologic involvement (mean highest CRP 267 vs 202 mg/L, p = 0.05; procalcitonin 30.65 vs 13.11 µg/L, p = 0.04; fibrinogen 7.04 vs 6.17 g/L, p = 0.07; d-dimers 19.68 vs 7.35 mg/L, p = 0.005). Among patients with neurologic involvement, these markers were higher in those without full recovery at 3 months (ferritin 2284 vs 283 µg/L, p = 0.05; d-dimers 30.34 vs 6.37 mg/L, p = 0.04). Patients with and without neurologic involvement shared similar risk factors for PIMS-TS (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic ethnicity 78% vs 70%, obese/overweight 56% vs 42%).
Conclusions: Broad neurologic features were found in 12% patients with PIMS-TS. By 3-month follow-up, half of these surviving children had recovered fully without neurologic impairment. Significantly higher systemic inflammatory markers were identified in children with neurologic involvement and in those who had not recovered fully.
And with all this it still should be the PARENT'S choice.
You're afraid? Vaccinate your kid.
Stay out of my decision for MY child.
Exactly. And those stats up top...how many of those children have underlying conditons? I would guess most if not all. Children are not and have never been the greatest victims of COVID. They are pushing this narrative now with no science behind it.
And comparing current vax requirements to this one is just dumb. Tell me when was the last time you saw a mass measles or chicken pox outbreak amongst vaccinated people....I'll wait..
The COVID vax clearly does not stop someone from getting or spreading it so why are we putting vax mandates for an experimental drug on our children?? WHY? Follow the dollar signs people open your eyes.
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| Posted 10/4/21 11:11 AM |
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Diane
Hope is Contagious....catch it
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Re: California to require Covid vaccine for all students
[QU
Follow the dollar signs people open your eyes.
This is the reason why, it is all about $$$$. Look at how much Cuomo made after taking away the religious exemptions. Im sure he got a nice kickback from the companies.
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