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Moehick
Ready for the sun!
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Layoff Threat
Did anyone look up the possible number in your school for layoffs? My school is at 8
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sarahbelle
Little drummer boy
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Sarah
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Re: Layoff Threat
Mine is 5 out of 47. How many years do you have in?
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| Posted 2/28/11 4:40 PM |
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Sheena
LIF Infant
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queen of the jungle
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Re: Layoff Threat
You can look this up? Where?
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| Posted 2/28/11 4:42 PM |
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kgs11
LIF Adult
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Kim
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Re: Layoff Threat
i just downloaded it from the NY1 website
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| Posted 2/28/11 5:09 PM |
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LiLi
LIF Infant
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Re: Layoff Threat
can someone post the list....I cant access it
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| Posted 2/28/11 5:24 PM |
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Moehick
Ready for the sun!
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Re: Layoff Threat
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/education/2011/02/28/2011-02-28_ed_dept_layoff_list_cuts_some_schools_faculty_by_half_union_cries_fearmongering_.html
List is at bottom of article
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| Posted 2/28/11 6:28 PM |
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Moehick
Ready for the sun!
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Re: Layoff Threat
Posted by sarahbelle
Mine is 5 out of 47. How many years do you have in?
4 years...so I am on the chopping block
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| Posted 2/28/11 6:28 PM |
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0 here...they also had the excel spreadsheet in the NY Times article...I think this is all a ploy...we really NEED teachers more than to let them go!
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| Posted 2/28/11 6:37 PM |
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BigB
C & J are 10!
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Stacey
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Re: Layoff Threat
Posted by TheDivaBrideandTeddyFrog
0 here...they also had the excel spreadsheet in the NY Times article...I think this is all a ploy...we really NEED teachers more than to let them go!
The idea is to force schools to hire those teachers who are ATRs.....if you have to let 4 go, then you have to hire 4 from the ATR list. There will be NO NEW HIRES at this time.
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| Posted 2/28/11 6:42 PM |
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LINewbie
Tigger the the Rescue!
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LB
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Re: Layoff Threat
Is there a list like this for Long Island schools?
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| Posted 2/28/11 7:28 PM |
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LL514
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Re: Layoff Threat
every LI school is different so no
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| Posted 2/28/11 7:43 PM |
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jgl
Love my little boys!!!
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Re: Layoff Threat
im confused because my school is listed 2x
we were PS and became ps/IS
1: it says elementary of 83 - 2 people laid off
2. it says k-8 83 people - 10 people laid off
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| Posted 2/28/11 7:59 PM |
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I understand about using the ATRs..why weren't we doing that all along?
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| Posted 2/28/11 8:07 PM |
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mosh913
baby boy coming spring '11
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Re: Layoff Threat
At our budget meeting, they said 5 elementary this year. If the tax cap goes through, the following year will be devestating :(
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| Posted 2/28/11 8:20 PM |
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We are down for 1- 37 teachers.
Posted by jgl
im confused because my school is listed 2x
we were PS and became ps/IS
1: it says elementary of 83 - 2 people laid off
2. it says k-8 83 people - 10 people laid off
My guess- and I may be wrong- is that you'd lose 2 from the elementary level and 10 from the MS level? Or vice versa.
Posted by TheDivaBrideandTeddyFrog
I understand about using the ATRs..why weren't we doing that all along?
I know of at least two principals who refuse to interview ATRs. I am sure there are more. Unfortunately, the media has made ATRs out to be crappy teachers, and while I am sure there is some dead wood in there, I bet most of those teachers are fine. However, I also know many of them have obsolete licences in things like typing. Not sure what the fair thing is in a situation like that.
My guess- there is a bill in the Senate that would end seniority rights. If that bill fails, Bloomberg will miraculously find money to avert layoffs. If it passes, the bill would tend to target senior teachers more. For example, they will look at past years' evaluations, of which older teachers will have more. They will also look at data reports, which again, are something newer teachers won't have. So those criteria will favor new teachers. Bloomberg wants to thin out the ranks at the top of the salary scale, and this will also impact pensions, if for example, you lay off someone with 20 years. That person's pension would be less than if they finished their career at the DOE.
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| Posted 2/28/11 9:24 PM |
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BigB
C & J are 10!
Member since 6/05 5914 total posts
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Re: Layoff Threat
Posted by TheDivaBrideandTeddyFrog
I understand about using the ATRs..why weren't we doing that all along?
In the DOE for NYC, schools were supposed to hire ONLY from the ATR list! I made so many calls to those on the ATR List. I emailed, I called, and called and called....and you know what, I only had maybe 3 calls returned. I HAD to interview those people and one was worse then the next, but our hands were tied and we hired one and it has been a DISASTER! People who are still on the ATR list are there for a reason, most of them stink as teachers!
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| Posted 3/1/11 10:29 AM |
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I thought ATRs were just excessed teachers? I know in our school, the teachers excessed are ATRs..one got a job elsewhere and one just came back...I actually have to say..and this is NOT seniority based..there should be an assessment system in place that is as neutral as possible to get the disasters out...that includes new and old teachers...there are some older teachers who are so DONE and some younger teachers that are great..and vice versa..but I think just imposing this with NO plan in place is the REAL nightmare! Oy...
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| Posted 3/1/11 10:44 AM |
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JennP
LIF Adult
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Jenn
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Re: Layoff Threat
Maybe I am slow but how do you read this thing? I see my school but I only see the two district numbers. Then below I see the percentages, as if the full chart got cut in half.
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| Posted 3/1/11 5:17 PM |
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msrsfeb
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Re: Layoff Threat
Me too, i can't read it either.
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| Posted 3/1/11 9:46 PM |
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RMA9728
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Re: Layoff Threat
Posted by BigB
Posted by TheDivaBrideandTeddyFrog
I understand about using the ATRs..why weren't we doing that all along?
In the DOE for NYC, schools were supposed to hire ONLY from the ATR list! I made so many calls to those on the ATR List. I emailed, I called, and called and called....and you know what, I only had maybe 3 calls returned. I HAD to interview those people and one was worse then the next, but our hands were tied and we hired one and it has been a DISASTER! People who are still on the ATR list are there for a reason, most of them stink as teachers!
I'm a bit surprised at this response. I was an ATR last year. I am licensed for Pre K- 6 under a common branch license. I had 7 years under my belt and working in a middle school (6-8 grade) when I decided to take a child care leave and stay home with my three children. I returned to my position for one year but because of the extreme budget cuts and I happened to be the one with the least amount of senority AND could only teach 6th grade (therefore not being able to move up a grade)...I had to be excessed. I did nothing wrong and bust my tush as a teacher, but my principal had no choice. Thankfully I was able to get hired 4 days before school ended at a wonderful elementary school.
I understand what everyone is saying about some teachers, but I wouldn't group all of us in one category.
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BigB
C & J are 10!
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Re: Layoff Threat
Posted by RMA9728
Posted by BigB
Posted by TheDivaBrideandTeddyFrog
I understand about using the ATRs..why weren't we doing that all along?
In the DOE for NYC, schools were supposed to hire ONLY from the ATR list! I made so many calls to those on the ATR List. I emailed, I called, and called and called....and you know what, I only had maybe 3 calls returned. I HAD to interview those people and one was worse then the next, but our hands were tied and we hired one and it has been a DISASTER! People who are still on the ATR list are there for a reason, most of them stink as teachers!
I'm a bit surprised at this response. I was an ATR last year. I am licensed for Pre K- 6 under a common branch license. I had 7 years under my belt and working in a middle school (6-8 grade) when I decided to take a child care leave and stay home with my three children. I returned to my position for one year but because of the extreme budget cuts and I happened to be the one with the least amount of senority AND could only teach 6th grade (therefore not being able to move up a grade)...I had to be excessed. I did nothing wrong and bust my tush as a teacher, but my principal had no choice. Thankfully I was able to get hired 4 days before school ended at a wonderful elementary school.
I understand what everyone is saying about some teachers, but I wouldn't group all of us in one category.
Your situation is unique.....and it is great that you were hired....all the good ones are....Those who are left in the ATR pool are there for a reason. They weren't good enough....I interviewed 5 ATRs for a position in my school and one was worse then the next. We hired the least worst of the bunch and he showed up for a big 10 days a work! Then he went out on a medical leave.....who suffers here? The students do! If we were able to hire who we wanted to hire, we wouldn't be in that situation.
The mayor wants the ATR pool eliminated. That is his ultimate goal. Any teacher who was good, was picked up, those who were in the rubber room for years still remain....Would you want one of them teaching your child?
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| Posted 3/2/11 9:41 AM |
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Why can't they just process the rubber room teachers? I bet they are more expensive than paying senior teachers who are good teachers! I mean..come on! There are so many solutions..I am sorry for your ATR situation..we've hired and been lucky as well but like you said, if it's been an extended time as an ATR, you know why..
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| Posted 3/2/11 10:48 AM |
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BigB
C & J are 10!
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Re: Layoff Threat
Posted by TheDivaBrideandTeddyFrog
Why can't they just process the rubber room teachers? I bet they are more expensive than paying senior teachers who are good teachers! I mean..come on! There are so many solutions..I am sorry for your ATR situation..we've hired and been lucky as well but like you said, if it's been an extended time as an ATR, you know why..
Rubber Room teachers are who are left on the ATR list! That is my point! Anyone who was any good was snapped up immediately! We did get a good history teacher this year who was put in excess during the summer!
ETA: They just can't proces the RR teachers because they are protected by the Union.
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| Posted 3/2/11 12:11 PM |
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...but why not just have their hearings already?? I apologize if I come off sounding dense, but it just seems so frustrating..I know you can relate!
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| Posted 3/2/11 1:32 PM |
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