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bunnyluck
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Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
As someone with immediate family members who serve in the NYPD and NCPD and a person of moral conscience and compassion, I am truly sickened by this. I don't know how Diblasio and Bratton can sleep at night. Many prayers for the officers who were murdered and their families. I know it isn't much, but I plan to send my brother into his precinct with a few trays of food this Christmas to show my support for those who sacrifice so much for us on a daily basis. I urged everyone to thank your local cops, even if it's just a simple thank you in passing. They can really use the support from our community, they sure as hell aren't getting it from our government and their administration.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by Jacksmommy
Can someone explain to me what the mayor did? I'm very confused! How is "blood" on his hands?
Here is a link to the video of what he said Video
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| Posted 12/20/14 10:33 PM |
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by gina409
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This man is now dead. And had he not died, there is no doubt he would have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. In fact, doesn't killing law enforcement still result in the death penalty in New York State?
The men who killed Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free.
And just because this man chose himself as the representative of a group doesn't mean he was. To do something like this, he was clearly not well.
The killing of these officers should never even in the slightest be compared to the killings of Eric garner and Michael brown
The circumstances are so completely different
To compare that he is dead and the other officers are not are mind boggling to me
What Gina said x100. I cannot believe anyone can compare the execution of two police officers with the deaths of two men which occurred while they resisted arrest. There is no comparison. Garner and Brown made illegal choices which led to their demise. Officers Ramos and Liu only made the choice to go to work this morning.
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| Posted 12/20/14 10:38 PM |
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Absolutely heartbroken about this news.
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| Posted 12/20/14 10:50 PM |
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LeeCR7
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
It is absolutely sickening. It is heartbreaking that these men were executed while doing their job. A tragedy and a crime.
I don't like this trend we seem to be getting into in judging which lives are worth more. It's better, somehow, if those who are not police officers die? What lives are worth more than other? Is there a list somewhere I could look at?
We feel so strongly when police officers and soldiers die because they die protecting us, and that is something they earn. But it does not mean we can't mourn other deaths, or that other lives aren't equally valuable. Who gets to judge that? You? Me? If one of my daughters becomes a police officer while the other becomes an accountant, am I going to mourn more if the police officer daughter is killed? Of course not.
There is this terrible falsehood that we have to pick a side. We can either be behind the police and stand behind every decision every cop ever makes or we can recognize the tragedy of the deaths of Garner and Brown (because they are tragedies, even if preventable ones: try telling their families, mothers, children otherwise) and, in doing so, hate and disrespect the police. That is simply insane. Most of us are going to react on a case-by-case basis rather than paint every situation with one brush.
There are extremists everywhere, in every movement, in every group. This group is no better or worse. In terms of reading comments posted online, have you not seen the incredible amount of racist comments that are often posted? Or sexist comments? You certainly can't judge a movement by anonymous comments posted online.
Be angry at these murders. Be sad. Be proactive in thinking abut how to prevent others. But don't let the actions of one evil man color your ideas of an entire group, just like those on the other side can't let the actions of a few police officers color their perception of all police officers. Be better than that. Because if most of us can't do that, I fear for us all.
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ElizaRags35
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Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by LeeCR7
It is absolutely sickening. It is heartbreaking that these men were executed while doing their job. A tragedy and a crime.
I don't like this trend we seem to be getting into in judging which lives are worth more. It's better, somehow, if those who are not police officers die? What lives are worth more than other? Is there a list somewhere I could look at?
We feel so strongly when police officers and soldiers die because they die protecting us, and that is something they earn. But it does not mean we can't mourn other deaths, or that other lives aren't equally valuable. Who gets to judge that? You? Me? If one of my daughters becomes a police officer while the other becomes an accountant, am I going to mourn more if the police officer daughter is killed? Of course not.
There is this terrible falsehood that we have to pick a side. We can either be behind the police and stand behind every decision every cop ever makes or we can recognize the tragedy of the deaths of Garner and Brown (because they are tragedies, even if preventable ones: try telling their families, mothers, children otherwise) and, in doing so, hate and disrespect the police. That is simply insane. Most of us are going to react on a case-by-case basis rather than paint every situation with one brush.
There are extremists everywhere, in every movement, in every group. This group is no better or worse. In terms of reading comments posted online, have you not seen the incredible amount of racist comments that are often posted? Or sexist comments? You certainly can't judge a movement by anonymous comments posted online.
Be angry at these murders. Be sad. Be proactive in thinking abut how to prevent others. But don't let the actions of one evil man color your ideas of an entire group, just like those on the other side can't let the actions of a few police officers color their perception of all police officer. Be better than that. Because if most of us can't do that, I fear for us all.
Thank you so so so much for putting into words what I've been thinking.
I hope those officers RIP.
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| Posted 12/20/14 10:58 PM |
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
I just want
To clarify what I wrote
I said what I said bc to compare the deaths of Eric garner and Michael brown to these officers is just unbelievable
And this has nothing to do with wether the police were wrong in he garner/brown cases
These 2 officers today were murder. Cold blooded murder
The other two cases were not. Does not make them not tragic but they were not assassinated they way near 2 men were
So to compare them in any way to be honest make me sick
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| Posted 12/20/14 11:01 PM |
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by ElizaRags35
Posted by LeeCR7
It is absolutely sickening. It is heartbreaking that these men were executed while doing their job. A tragedy and a crime.
I don't like this trend we seem to be getting into in judging which lives are worth more. It's better, somehow, if those who are not police officers die? What lives are worth more than other? Is there a list somewhere I could look at?
We feel so strongly when police officers and soldiers die because they die protecting us, and that is something they earn. But it does not mean we can't mourn other deaths, or that other lives aren't equally valuable. Who gets to judge that? You? Me? If one of my daughters becomes a police officer while the other becomes an accountant, am I going to mourn more if the police officer daughter is killed? Of course not.
There is this terrible falsehood that we have to pick a side. We can either be behind the police and stand behind every decision every cop ever makes or we can recognize the tragedy of the deaths of Garner and Brown (because they are tragedies, even if preventable ones: try telling their families, mothers, children otherwise) and, in doing so, hate and disrespect the police. That is simply insane. Most of us are going to react on a case-by-case basis rather than paint every situation with one brush.
There are extremists everywhere, in every movement, in every group. This group is no better or worse. In terms of reading comments posted online, have you not seen the incredible amount of racist comments that are often posted? Or sexist comments? You certainly can't judge a movement by anonymous comments posted online.
Be angry at these murders. Be sad. Be proactive in thinking abut how to prevent others. But don't let the actions of one evil man color your ideas of an entire group, just like those on the other side can't let the actions of a few police officers color their perception of all police officer. Be better than that. Because if most of us can't do that, I fear for us all.
Thank you so so so much for putting into words what I've been thinking.
I hope those officers RIP.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by MandJZ
The murder of these police officers is despicable. It is horrendous, and absolutely senseless. My deepest prayers and condolences go out to their loved ones and families.
However. These men were killed by ONE deranged person, who then, as I am reading, killed himself. This wasn't a battle cry by a group of people who set out to kill police officers. So cries of "they are animals", and talk of a "war on whites" are also troubling. This was not that. This was the action of one person. To call that one man an animal, I understand. But this wasn't a group of people, and to lump a group of people in with the perpetrator of this crime is unfair. The slain officers deserve all the respect in the world for the job they did, and sadly died doing. But I'm really disturbed and saddened by much of the response im seeing, as well.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by Straightarrow
Posted by MandJZ
The murder of these police officers is despicable. It is horrendous, and absolutely senseless. My deepest prayers and condolences go out to their loved ones and families.
However. These men were killed by ONE deranged person, who then, as I am reading, killed himself. This wasn't a battle cry by a group of people who set out to kill police officers. So cries of "they are animals", and talk of a "war on whites" are also troubling. This was not that. This was the action of one person. To call that one man an animal, I understand. But this wasn't a group of people, and to lump a group of people in with the perpetrator of this crime is unfair. The slain officers deserve all the respect in the world for the job they did, and sadly died doing. But I'm really disturbed and saddened by much of the response im seeing, as well.
unfortunately, if you see all of the support that this one deranged criminal is getting...on social media, etc.. it's scary and pathetic. it was one deranged man yes, but many feel the same way he did and it may be a matter of time before they act on it.
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| Posted 12/20/14 11:24 PM |
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by GoodThoughts
Posted by gina409
Posted by MandJZ
This man is now dead. And had he not died, there is no doubt he would have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. In fact, doesn't killing law enforcement still result in the death penalty in New York State?
The men who killed Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free.
And just because this man chose himself as the representative of a group doesn't mean he was. To do something like this, he was clearly not well.
The killing of these officers should never even in the slightest be compared to the killings of Eric garner and Michael brown
The circumstances are so completely different
To compare that he is dead and the other officers are not are mind boggling to me
What Gina said x100. I cannot believe anyone can compare the execution of two police officers with the deaths of two men which occurred while they resisted arrest. There is no comparison. Garner and Brown made illegal choices which led to their demise. Officers Ramos and Liu only made the choice to go to work this morning.
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| Posted 12/20/14 11:24 PM |
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Summergirl
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by Goobster
Posted by gina409
Posted by MandJZ
This man is now dead. And had he not died, there is no doubt he would have been prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. In fact, doesn't killing law enforcement still result in the death penalty in New York State?
The men who killed Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free.
And just because this man chose himself as the representative of a group doesn't mean he was. To do something like this, he was clearly not well.
The killing of these officers should never even in the slightest be compared to the killings of Eric garner and Michael brown
The circumstances are so completely different
To compare that he is dead and the other officers are not are mind boggling to me
Nothing in common at all. Two innocent men doing their job, selflessly protecting others. Two criminals (petty or otherwise) resisting arrest, breaking the law, who were killed b/c they had a scuffle with the cops b/c they resisted arrest.
ABSOLUTELY!! The fact that this was even brought up in the post about 2 actual heroes is very sad to me.
And its interesting that de Blasio made those specific statements about Garner. What a hypocrite:
http://nypost.com/2014/12/16/de-blasio-quietly-filed-untaxed-cig-suit-the-week-of-garner-decision/
I am also wondering if people from the white house will be attending these officer's funerals? Or is that honor only reserved for thugs and criminals?
My thoughts and prayers go out to these officers and their families! Rest in Peace.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by bunnyluck
As someone with immediate family members who serve in the NYPD and NCPD and a person of moral conscience and compassion, I am truly sickened by this. I don't know how Diblasio and Bratton can sleep at night. Many prayers for the officers who were murdered and their families. I know it isn't much, but I plan to send my brother into his precinct with a few trays of food this Christmas to show my support for those who sacrifice so much for us on a daily basis. I urged everyone to thank your local cops, even if it's just a simple thank you in passing. They can really use the support from our community, they sure as hell aren't getting it from our government and their administration.
Thank you to those who protect and serve! It's so sad that this is what our world and government is becoming.
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| Posted 12/20/14 11:37 PM |
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by MandJZ
The murder of these police officers is despicable. It is horrendous, and absolutely senseless. My deepest prayers and condolences go out to their loved ones and families.
However. These men were killed by ONE deranged person, who then, as I am reading, killed himself. This wasn't a battle cry by a group of people who set out to kill police officers. So cries of "they are animals", and talk of a "war on whites" are also troubling. This was not that. This was the action of one person. To call that one man an animal, I understand. But this wasn't a group of people, and to lump a group of people in with the perpetrator of this crime is unfair. The slain officers deserve all the respect in the world for the job they did, and sadly died doing. But I'm really disturbed and saddened by much of the response im seeing, as well.
Ah, so you're one of those, huh?
Where the f*ck have you been?
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by BeachGrl
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Can someone explain to me what the mayor did? I'm very confused! How is "blood" on his hands?
Here is a link to the video of what he said Video
Thank you for providing me with the quote. I am sad that people are blaming the mayor and essentially dividing the city further. This was a heinous crime perpetuated by one individual (and possibly others that may engage in copy cat crimes). But unfortunately reality is that there are many instances of police brutality (and not just the Eric Garner/Michael Brown case). I am sure that the majority of the police are wonderful individuals but I think it is ridiculous to not acknowledge that there are a few bad apples in the bunch. Just as there are with any group. Insinuating that this is a result of a mayor, who in my interpretation of this video, was presenting the very true reality and fear of some individuals who live in bad neighborhoods, is very sad. This was a very sick individual who has made many anti-police statements in the past, according to reports I read, and killed 3 innocent people. Stating that there is blood on individuals hands is only going to divide this city further and create further attacks on both sides. Something needs to be done to fix this. My heart goes out to the families of all the victims!
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
This is horrifying and I do agree that the mayor was out of line when talking about police officers. He added fuel to the fire IMO. He is a total disappointment.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by Oopsie14
Posted by MandJZ
The murder of these police officers is despicable. It is horrendous, and absolutely senseless. My deepest prayers and condolences go out to their loved ones and families.
However. These men were killed by ONE deranged person, who then, as I am reading, killed himself. This wasn't a battle cry by a group of people who set out to kill police officers. So cries of "they are animals", and talk of a "war on whites" are also troubling. This was not that. This was the action of one person. To call that one man an animal, I understand. But this wasn't a group of people, and to lump a group of people in with the perpetrator of this crime is unfair. The slain officers deserve all the respect in the world for the job they did, and sadly died doing. But I'm really disturbed and saddened by much of the response im seeing, as well.
Ah, so you're one of those, huh?
Where the f*ck have you been?
What's one of those? I'm curious.
All lives matter. I am disgusted that people are being killed needlessly whether it's cases like Eric Garner or these cops tonight. I truly hope this is not the beginning of something bigger.....
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by gina409
I just want
To clarify what I wrote
I said what I said bc to compare the deaths of Eric garner and Michael brown to these officers is just unbelievable
And this has nothing to do with wether the police were wrong in he garner/brown cases
These 2 officers today were murder. Cold blooded murder
The other two cases were not. Does not make them not tragic but they were not assassinated they way near 2 men were
So to compare them in any way to be honest make me sick
I think that posters were comparing the reactions. When Garner and Brown were killed, most people defended the police officers, saying that it was unfair of protesters to say all cops are racist, all cops are violent etc, which most reasonable people completely agree with.
After this tragedy, however, many of the same people are extending the actions of this one evil man to all those protesting, saying all those protesting are partially responsible for these horrific deaths.
It's a hypocritical attitude. If we can't judge all cops by a few, we can't judge all those disappointed by the Garner and Brown decision by one man either.
That's how I interpreted it, anyway. I hesitate to speak for others.
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Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
I am sick over this.
And If ANYONE DOESNT BELIEVE this was not in retaliation for garner and brown you are living under a rock.
This country is f'd due to the people in this country's sense of entitlement.
And where is Obamas statement!?
These cops were EXECUTED. for nothing.
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by luvmotherhood
I am sick over this.
And If ANYONE DOESNT BELIEVE this was not in retaliation for garner and brown you are living under a rock.
This country is f'd due to the people in this country's sense of entitlement.
And where is Obamas statement!?
These cops were EXECUTED. for nothing.
I don't think anybody is claiming that it isn't a "revenge" killing, just that it is not representative of those angry about the non-indictments. It seems pretty clear from the reported postings, sadly, that this evil man did seek revenge on two innocent officers.
I'm sure President Obama will have a statement for you tomorrow. Usually they caution presidents to wait a bit and makes sure all the facts are in before making a statement, although I can't imagine any more horror in this situation. Hopefully there is nothing worse to learn.
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gina409
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to murder brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by gina409
I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to murder brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
The fact that either side is considering one life to be worth more than the other is mind boggling.
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| Posted 12/21/14 12:46 AM |
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gina409
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
I didn't value anyone's life other the other
But the fact is these officers were killed execution style and in cold blood
The other deaths were tragic but not the same
How can anyone compare that?
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Re: Absolutely sick over this NYPD shooting/murder
Posted by gina409
I took it as the "killers" of Eric garner and Michael brown are alive and free
And the officers Killer is not and had he not taken his life h would have been prosecuted where as the other officers were not
So in essence it is comparing the two as if they are be same
And they are the complete opposite
Unless you think the officers in those cases went out that day with the intent to nursery brown and garner
So to compRe the two in any sense to me is mind boggling
They are not completely opposite. They were all preventable deaths, which makes it our responsibility to examine the circumstances and try to prevent future deaths.
What can we do to make police safer on the street? Can we train officers differently to increase arrests vs fatalities? Ideally, one thing we can all agree on is that we all want to lessen these types of tragic and preventable deaths.
It seems a fair comparison, even if you don't like it. The ultimate goal is lessening these deaths/killings and there is no reason not to look at both types.
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