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Re: Only "fraud" found in PA was recanted
Posted by JennP
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by klingklang77
Personally, I think standing up against other viewpoints that hurt society a reason to say your POV.
And those saying that others think they are superior have said some awful things as well.
Some of the comments from the “other side” in this thread are quite  . But of course those saying facts are told they are being too superior, but then aren’t they being superior with that comment? Makes no sense.
The problem now is what is actually a fact? A fact is that Trump might not win but then it is in fact Biden has not fully won but the media has run with it even after all votes have not come in and it is a very close race. Many don’t even understand that, they hear things and just believe it.
Just because you have a different view point doesn’t mean you can’t be friends with these people. One of my best friends does not agree with politics than myself and you know what, we agree to disagree, have a drink and go on with life. I am not losing her as a friend because she votes differently.
Based on precedent, once there is a clear EC winner, the media calls a winner and the GSA certifies the winner as president elect and the transition officially begins, usually the day after the media calls it.
Even though there is a clear EC winner, Trump refuses to allow the transition to begin, even though it has now been 5 and half days. He is ignoring almost 200 years of precedent and, in the process, endangering all of us because the incoming administration is unable to get up to speed on threats that might be detailed in these briefings.
The actual state certifications have never happened until later in November and I am willing to bet that you didn't have a problem with Trump being called the winner the day after election day four years ago.
By any reasonable definition of how this plays out, it's over. Biden is ahead enough in PA to be outside the margin of a recount. There are multiple bipartisan or non Dem statements making it clear that there was no fraud - no as in a statistically insignificant number.
We have procedures and traditions that establish precedent, and yes, fact. It's clear why Trump is doing this - it's all about money. It's been explained elsewhere what is happening with the money for his new fund - only money over a certain dollar amount actually goes to what he tells donors it's for.
Any talk that perpetuates the idea that Trump actually can win reelection (coup attempts aside) cast doubt on our system and undermine the institutions of our republic. And frankly, it allows the continued fleecing of low information voters who might donate to him not realizing where their money is really going.
It was a clear win in 2016. This is too close and now too much of a mess of legal votes.
We will have to watch PA. GA being recounted. Some states still counting.
Whatever happens, I, personally want to know if there is fraud. NY even hasn’t been totally counted yet.
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Re: Only "fraud" found in PA was recanted
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by JennP
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by klingklang77
Personally, I think standing up against other viewpoints that hurt society a reason to say your POV.
And those saying that others think they are superior have said some awful things as well.
Some of the comments from the “other side” in this thread are quite . But of course those saying facts are told they are being too superior, but then aren’t they being superior with that comment? Makes no sense.
The problem now is what is actually a fact? A fact is that Trump might not win but then it is in fact Biden has not fully won but the media has run with it even after all votes have not come in and it is a very close race. Many don’t even understand that, they hear things and just believe it.
Just because you have a different view point doesn’t mean you can’t be friends with these people. One of my best friends does not agree with politics than myself and you know what, we agree to disagree, have a drink and go on with life. I am not losing her as a friend because she votes differently.
Based on precedent, once there is a clear EC winner, the media calls a winner and the GSA certifies the winner as president elect and the transition officially begins, usually the day after the media calls it.
Even though there is a clear EC winner, Trump refuses to allow the transition to begin, even though it has now been 5 and half days. He is ignoring almost 200 years of precedent and, in the process, endangering all of us because the incoming administration is unable to get up to speed on threats that might be detailed in these briefings.
The actual state certifications have never happened until later in November and I am willing to bet that you didn't have a problem with Trump being called the winner the day after election day four years ago.
By any reasonable definition of how this plays out, it's over. Biden is ahead enough in PA to be outside the margin of a recount. There are multiple bipartisan or non Dem statements making it clear that there was no fraud - no as in a statistically insignificant number.
We have procedures and traditions that establish precedent, and yes, fact. It's clear why Trump is doing this - it's all about money. It's been explained elsewhere what is happening with the money for his new fund - only money over a certain dollar amount actually goes to what he tells donors it's for.
Any talk that perpetuates the idea that Trump actually can win reelection (coup attempts aside) cast doubt on our system and undermine the institutions of our republic. And frankly, it allows the continued fleecing of low information voters who might donate to him not realizing where their money is really going.
It was a clear win in 2016. This is too close and now too much of a mess of legal votes.
We will have to watch PA. GA being recounted. Some states still counting.
Whatever happens, I, personally want to know if there is fraud. NY even hasn’t been totally counted yet.
So at what point would you accept and trust the results? Fast forward to when all “recounts” are done and “fraud investigations” are sorted out. If Trump and friends still say it’s rigged, will you continue to believe that ? Basically, who will you trust?
Trump and friends and Brietbart will always maintain fraud. Even if they did repeated recounts. That’s their narrative.
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Re: Only "fraud" found in PA was recanted
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by JennP
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by klingklang77
Personally, I think standing up against other viewpoints that hurt society a reason to say your POV.
And those saying that others think they are superior have said some awful things as well.
Some of the comments from the “other side” in this thread are quite . But of course those saying facts are told they are being too superior, but then aren’t they being superior with that comment? Makes no sense.
The problem now is what is actually a fact? A fact is that Trump might not win but then it is in fact Biden has not fully won but the media has run with it even after all votes have not come in and it is a very close race. Many don’t even understand that, they hear things and just believe it.
Just because you have a different view point doesn’t mean you can’t be friends with these people. One of my best friends does not agree with politics than myself and you know what, we agree to disagree, have a drink and go on with life. I am not losing her as a friend because she votes differently.
Based on precedent, once there is a clear EC winner, the media calls a winner and the GSA certifies the winner as president elect and the transition officially begins, usually the day after the media calls it.
Even though there is a clear EC winner, Trump refuses to allow the transition to begin, even though it has now been 5 and half days. He is ignoring almost 200 years of precedent and, in the process, endangering all of us because the incoming administration is unable to get up to speed on threats that might be detailed in these briefings.
The actual state certifications have never happened until later in November and I am willing to bet that you didn't have a problem with Trump being called the winner the day after election day four years ago.
By any reasonable definition of how this plays out, it's over. Biden is ahead enough in PA to be outside the margin of a recount. There are multiple bipartisan or non Dem statements making it clear that there was no fraud - no as in a statistically insignificant number.
We have procedures and traditions that establish precedent, and yes, fact. It's clear why Trump is doing this - it's all about money. It's been explained elsewhere what is happening with the money for his new fund - only money over a certain dollar amount actually goes to what he tells donors it's for.
Any talk that perpetuates the idea that Trump actually can win reelection (coup attempts aside) cast doubt on our system and undermine the institutions of our republic. And frankly, it allows the continued fleecing of low information voters who might donate to him not realizing where their money is really going.
It was a clear win in 2016. This is too close and now too much of a mess of legal votes.
We will have to watch PA. GA being recounted. Some states still counting.
Whatever happens, I, personally want to know if there is fraud. NY even hasn’t been totally counted yet.
So at what point would you accept and trust the results? Fast forward to when all “recounts” are done and “fraud investigations” are sorted out. If Trump and friends still say it’s rigged, will you continue to believe that ? Basically, who will you trust?
Trump and friends and Brietbart will always maintain fraud. Even if they did repeated recounts. That’s their narrative. [/QUOTE
If the states come back and say they recounted and still have the same numbers then myself and everyone I know and news people have said it is what it is. Will I still think there is fraud? Yep as what I have seen the last 4 years years but I have to go by what the states say.
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BFNY516
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Re: Only "fraud" found in PA was recanted
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by JennP
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by klingklang77
Personally, I think standing up against other viewpoints that hurt society a reason to say your POV.
And those saying that others think they are superior have said some awful things as well.
Some of the comments from the “other side” in this thread are quite . But of course those saying facts are told they are being too superior, but then aren’t they being superior with that comment? Makes no sense.
The problem now is what is actually a fact? A fact is that Trump might not win but then it is in fact Biden has not fully won but the media has run with it even after all votes have not come in and it is a very close race. Many don’t even understand that, they hear things and just believe it.
Just because you have a different view point doesn’t mean you can’t be friends with these people. One of my best friends does not agree with politics than myself and you know what, we agree to disagree, have a drink and go on with life. I am not losing her as a friend because she votes differently.
Based on precedent, once there is a clear EC winner, the media calls a winner and the GSA certifies the winner as president elect and the transition officially begins, usually the day after the media calls it.
Even though there is a clear EC winner, Trump refuses to allow the transition to begin, even though it has now been 5 and half days. He is ignoring almost 200 years of precedent and, in the process, endangering all of us because the incoming administration is unable to get up to speed on threats that might be detailed in these briefings.
The actual state certifications have never happened until later in November and I am willing to bet that you didn't have a problem with Trump being called the winner the day after election day four years ago.
By any reasonable definition of how this plays out, it's over. Biden is ahead enough in PA to be outside the margin of a recount. There are multiple bipartisan or non Dem statements making it clear that there was no fraud - no as in a statistically insignificant number.
We have procedures and traditions that establish precedent, and yes, fact. It's clear why Trump is doing this - it's all about money. It's been explained elsewhere what is happening with the money for his new fund - only money over a certain dollar amount actually goes to what he tells donors it's for.
Any talk that perpetuates the idea that Trump actually can win reelection (coup attempts aside) cast doubt on our system and undermine the institutions of our republic. And frankly, it allows the continued fleecing of low information voters who might donate to him not realizing where their money is really going.
It was a clear win in 2016. This is too close and now too much of a mess of legal votes.
We will have to watch PA. GA being recounted. Some states still counting.
Whatever happens, I, personally want to know if there is fraud. NY even hasn’t been totally counted yet.
So at what point would you accept and trust the results? Fast forward to when all “recounts” are done and “fraud investigations” are sorted out. If Trump and friends still say it’s rigged, will you continue to believe that ? Basically, who will you trust?
Trump and friends and Brietbart will always maintain fraud. Even if they did repeated recounts. That’s their narrative.
If the states come back and say they recounted and still have the same numbers then myself and everyone I know and news people have said it is what it is. Will I still think there is fraud? Yep as what I have seen the last 4 years years but I have to go by what the states say.
That’s what I figured. Not saying that as a dig, but I don’t think any Trump supporter will accept it, regardless of legal cases and recounts. It’s just amazing to me that the Homeland Security team who works under Trump… Can say that this is the most secure election in history, and people still will believe Trump and Brietbart.
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Re: Only "fraud" found in PA was recanted
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by JennP
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by klingklang77
Personally, I think standing up against other viewpoints that hurt society a reason to say your POV.
And those saying that others think they are superior have said some awful things as well.
Some of the comments from the “other side” in this thread are quite . But of course those saying facts are told they are being too superior, but then aren’t they being superior with that comment? Makes no sense.
The problem now is what is actually a fact? A fact is that Trump might not win but then it is in fact Biden has not fully won but the media has run with it even after all votes have not come in and it is a very close race. Many don’t even understand that, they hear things and just believe it.
Just because you have a different view point doesn’t mean you can’t be friends with these people. One of my best friends does not agree with politics than myself and you know what, we agree to disagree, have a drink and go on with life. I am not losing her as a friend because she votes differently.
Based on precedent, once there is a clear EC winner, the media calls a winner and the GSA certifies the winner as president elect and the transition officially begins, usually the day after the media calls it.
Even though there is a clear EC winner, Trump refuses to allow the transition to begin, even though it has now been 5 and half days. He is ignoring almost 200 years of precedent and, in the process, endangering all of us because the incoming administration is unable to get up to speed on threats that might be detailed in these briefings.
The actual state certifications have never happened until later in November and I am willing to bet that you didn't have a problem with Trump being called the winner the day after election day four years ago.
By any reasonable definition of how this plays out, it's over. Biden is ahead enough in PA to be outside the margin of a recount. There are multiple bipartisan or non Dem statements making it clear that there was no fraud - no as in a statistically insignificant number.
We have procedures and traditions that establish precedent, and yes, fact. It's clear why Trump is doing this - it's all about money. It's been explained elsewhere what is happening with the money for his new fund - only money over a certain dollar amount actually goes to what he tells donors it's for.
Any talk that perpetuates the idea that Trump actually can win reelection (coup attempts aside) cast doubt on our system and undermine the institutions of our republic. And frankly, it allows the continued fleecing of low information voters who might donate to him not realizing where their money is really going.
It was a clear win in 2016. This is too close and now too much of a mess of legal votes.
We will have to watch PA. GA being recounted. Some states still counting.
Whatever happens, I, personally want to know if there is fraud. NY even hasn’t been totally counted yet.
So at what point would you accept and trust the results? Fast forward to when all “recounts” are done and “fraud investigations” are sorted out. If Trump and friends still say it’s rigged, will you continue to believe that ? Basically, who will you trust?
Trump and friends and Brietbart will always maintain fraud. Even if they did repeated recounts. That’s their narrative.
If the states come back and say they recounted and still have the same numbers then myself and everyone I know and news people have said it is what it is. Will I still think there is fraud? Yep as what I have seen the last 4 years years but I have to go by what the states say.
That’s what I figured. Not saying that as a dig, but I don’t think any Trump supporter will accept it, regardless of legal cases and recounts. It’s just amazing to me that the Homeland Security team who works under Trump… Can say that this is the most secure election in history, and people still will believe Trump and Brietbart.
You will be surprised what people think. Don’t assume :)
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Re: Only "fraud" found in PA was recanted
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by JennP
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by klingklang77
Personally, I think standing up against other viewpoints that hurt society a reason to say your POV.
And those saying that others think they are superior have said some awful things as well.
Some of the comments from the “other side” in this thread are quite . But of course those saying facts are told they are being too superior, but then aren’t they being superior with that comment? Makes no sense.
The problem now is what is actually a fact? A fact is that Trump might not win but then it is in fact Biden has not fully won but the media has run with it even after all votes have not come in and it is a very close race. Many don’t even understand that, they hear things and just believe it.
Just because you have a different view point doesn’t mean you can’t be friends with these people. One of my best friends does not agree with politics than myself and you know what, we agree to disagree, have a drink and go on with life. I am not losing her as a friend because she votes differently.
Based on precedent, once there is a clear EC winner, the media calls a winner and the GSA certifies the winner as president elect and the transition officially begins, usually the day after the media calls it.
Even though there is a clear EC winner, Trump refuses to allow the transition to begin, even though it has now been 5 and half days. He is ignoring almost 200 years of precedent and, in the process, endangering all of us because the incoming administration is unable to get up to speed on threats that might be detailed in these briefings.
The actual state certifications have never happened until later in November and I am willing to bet that you didn't have a problem with Trump being called the winner the day after election day four years ago.
By any reasonable definition of how this plays out, it's over. Biden is ahead enough in PA to be outside the margin of a recount. There are multiple bipartisan or non Dem statements making it clear that there was no fraud - no as in a statistically insignificant number.
We have procedures and traditions that establish precedent, and yes, fact. It's clear why Trump is doing this - it's all about money. It's been explained elsewhere what is happening with the money for his new fund - only money over a certain dollar amount actually goes to what he tells donors it's for.
Any talk that perpetuates the idea that Trump actually can win reelection (coup attempts aside) cast doubt on our system and undermine the institutions of our republic. And frankly, it allows the continued fleecing of low information voters who might donate to him not realizing where their money is really going.
It was a clear win in 2016. This is too close and now too much of a mess of legal votes.
We will have to watch PA. GA being recounted. Some states still counting.
Whatever happens, I, personally want to know if there is fraud. NY even hasn’t been totally counted yet.
So at what point would you accept and trust the results? Fast forward to when all “recounts” are done and “fraud investigations” are sorted out. If Trump and friends still say it’s rigged, will you continue to believe that ? Basically, who will you trust?
Trump and friends and Brietbart will always maintain fraud. Even if they did repeated recounts. That’s their narrative. [/QUOTE
If the states come back and say they recounted and still have the same numbers then myself and everyone I know and news people have said it is what it is. Will I still think there is fraud? Yep as what I have seen the last 4 years years but I have to go by what the states say.
There is nothing to watch in PA. Biden's margin is bigger than Trump's was and outside the margin for a recount. And it's growing.
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Re: Only "fraud" found in PA was recanted
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by JennP
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by klingklang77
Personally, I think standing up against other viewpoints that hurt society a reason to say your POV.
And those saying that others think they are superior have said some awful things as well.
Some of the comments from the “other side” in this thread are quite . But of course those saying facts are told they are being too superior, but then aren’t they being superior with that comment? Makes no sense.
The problem now is what is actually a fact? A fact is that Trump might not win but then it is in fact Biden has not fully won but the media has run with it even after all votes have not come in and it is a very close race. Many don’t even understand that, they hear things and just believe it.
Just because you have a different view point doesn’t mean you can’t be friends with these people. One of my best friends does not agree with politics than myself and you know what, we agree to disagree, have a drink and go on with life. I am not losing her as a friend because she votes differently.
Based on precedent, once there is a clear EC winner, the media calls a winner and the GSA certifies the winner as president elect and the transition officially begins, usually the day after the media calls it.
Even though there is a clear EC winner, Trump refuses to allow the transition to begin, even though it has now been 5 and half days. He is ignoring almost 200 years of precedent and, in the process, endangering all of us because the incoming administration is unable to get up to speed on threats that might be detailed in these briefings.
The actual state certifications have never happened until later in November and I am willing to bet that you didn't have a problem with Trump being called the winner the day after election day four years ago.
By any reasonable definition of how this plays out, it's over. Biden is ahead enough in PA to be outside the margin of a recount. There are multiple bipartisan or non Dem statements making it clear that there was no fraud - no as in a statistically insignificant number.
We have procedures and traditions that establish precedent, and yes, fact. It's clear why Trump is doing this - it's all about money. It's been explained elsewhere what is happening with the money for his new fund - only money over a certain dollar amount actually goes to what he tells donors it's for.
Any talk that perpetuates the idea that Trump actually can win reelection (coup attempts aside) cast doubt on our system and undermine the institutions of our republic. And frankly, it allows the continued fleecing of low information voters who might donate to him not realizing where their money is really going.
It was a clear win in 2016. This is too close and now too much of a mess of legal votes.
We will have to watch PA. GA being recounted. Some states still counting.
Whatever happens, I, personally want to know if there is fraud. NY even hasn’t been totally counted yet.
So at what point would you accept and trust the results? Fast forward to when all “recounts” are done and “fraud investigations” are sorted out. If Trump and friends still say it’s rigged, will you continue to believe that ? Basically, who will you trust?
Trump and friends and Brietbart will always maintain fraud. Even if they did repeated recounts. That’s their narrative.
If the states come back and say they recounted and still have the same numbers then myself and everyone I know and news people have said it is what it is. Will I still think there is fraud? Yep as what I have seen the last 4 years years but I have to go by what the states say.
That’s what I figured. Not saying that as a dig, but I don’t think any Trump supporter will accept it, regardless of legal cases and recounts. It’s just amazing to me that the Homeland Security team who works under Trump… Can say that this is the most secure election in history, and people still will believe Trump and Brietbart.
You will be surprised what people think. Don’t assume :)
I try not to but I am trying to understand the logic. Even if you feel differently I do appreciate you sharing your take on it.
Lots of people didn’t want Trump but no one asserted he won via fraud back in 2016. People were angry and marched, but accepted the results as valid. It’s troubling to me that someone in power is refusing election results.
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Re: Only "fraud" found in PA was recanted
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by JennP
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by klingklang77
Personally, I think standing up against other viewpoints that hurt society a reason to say your POV.
And those saying that others think they are superior have said some awful things as well.
Some of the comments from the “other side” in this thread are quite . But of course those saying facts are told they are being too superior, but then aren’t they being superior with that comment? Makes no sense.
The problem now is what is actually a fact? A fact is that Trump might not win but then it is in fact Biden has not fully won but the media has run with it even after all votes have not come in and it is a very close race. Many don’t even understand that, they hear things and just believe it.
Just because you have a different view point doesn’t mean you can’t be friends with these people. One of my best friends does not agree with politics than myself and you know what, we agree to disagree, have a drink and go on with life. I am not losing her as a friend because she votes differently.
Based on precedent, once there is a clear EC winner, the media calls a winner and the GSA certifies the winner as president elect and the transition officially begins, usually the day after the media calls it.
Even though there is a clear EC winner, Trump refuses to allow the transition to begin, even though it has now been 5 and half days. He is ignoring almost 200 years of precedent and, in the process, endangering all of us because the incoming administration is unable to get up to speed on threats that might be detailed in these briefings.
The actual state certifications have never happened until later in November and I am willing to bet that you didn't have a problem with Trump being called the winner the day after election day four years ago.
By any reasonable definition of how this plays out, it's over. Biden is ahead enough in PA to be outside the margin of a recount. There are multiple bipartisan or non Dem statements making it clear that there was no fraud - no as in a statistically insignificant number.
We have procedures and traditions that establish precedent, and yes, fact. It's clear why Trump is doing this - it's all about money. It's been explained elsewhere what is happening with the money for his new fund - only money over a certain dollar amount actually goes to what he tells donors it's for.
Any talk that perpetuates the idea that Trump actually can win reelection (coup attempts aside) cast doubt on our system and undermine the institutions of our republic. And frankly, it allows the continued fleecing of low information voters who might donate to him not realizing where their money is really going.
It was a clear win in 2016. This is too close and now too much of a mess of legal votes.
We will have to watch PA. GA being recounted. Some states still counting.
Whatever happens, I, personally want to know if there is fraud. NY even hasn’t been totally counted yet.
So at what point would you accept and trust the results? Fast forward to when all “recounts” are done and “fraud investigations” are sorted out. If Trump and friends still say it’s rigged, will you continue to believe that ? Basically, who will you trust?
Trump and friends and Brietbart will always maintain fraud. Even if they did repeated recounts. That’s their narrative.
If the states come back and say they recounted and still have the same numbers then myself and everyone I know and news people have said it is what it is. Will I still think there is fraud? Yep as what I have seen the last 4 years years but I have to go by what the states say.
That’s what I figured. Not saying that as a dig, but I don’t think any Trump supporter will accept it, regardless of legal cases and recounts. It’s just amazing to me that the Homeland Security team who works under Trump… Can say that this is the most secure election in history, and people still will believe Trump and Brietbart.
You will be surprised what people think. Don’t assume :)
I try not to but I am trying to understand the logic. Even if you feel differently I do appreciate you sharing your take on it.
Lots of people didn’t want Trump but no one asserted he won via fraud back in 2016. People were angry and marched, but accepted the results as valid. It’s troubling to me that someone in power is refusing election results.
Well we will see how it comes out. If he doesn’t win, then hopefully if any fraud is happening it will be stopped for future elections. I voted and that is all I can do now. I can only hope and pray for the next 4 years. My family is finally doing better and it would be a shame to go backwards.
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Re: Only "fraud" found in PA was recanted
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by BFNY516
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by JennP
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by klingklang77
Personally, I think standing up against other viewpoints that hurt society a reason to say your POV.
And those saying that others think they are superior have said some awful things as well.
Some of the comments from the “other side” in this thread are quite . But of course those saying facts are told they are being too superior, but then aren’t they being superior with that comment? Makes no sense.
The problem now is what is actually a fact? A fact is that Trump might not win but then it is in fact Biden has not fully won but the media has run with it even after all votes have not come in and it is a very close race. Many don’t even understand that, they hear things and just believe it.
Just because you have a different view point doesn’t mean you can’t be friends with these people. One of my best friends does not agree with politics than myself and you know what, we agree to disagree, have a drink and go on with life. I am not losing her as a friend because she votes differently.
Based on precedent, once there is a clear EC winner, the media calls a winner and the GSA certifies the winner as president elect and the transition officially begins, usually the day after the media calls it.
Even though there is a clear EC winner, Trump refuses to allow the transition to begin, even though it has now been 5 and half days. He is ignoring almost 200 years of precedent and, in the process, endangering all of us because the incoming administration is unable to get up to speed on threats that might be detailed in these briefings.
The actual state certifications have never happened until later in November and I am willing to bet that you didn't have a problem with Trump being called the winner the day after election day four years ago.
By any reasonable definition of how this plays out, it's over. Biden is ahead enough in PA to be outside the margin of a recount. There are multiple bipartisan or non Dem statements making it clear that there was no fraud - no as in a statistically insignificant number.
We have procedures and traditions that establish precedent, and yes, fact. It's clear why Trump is doing this - it's all about money. It's been explained elsewhere what is happening with the money for his new fund - only money over a certain dollar amount actually goes to what he tells donors it's for.
Any talk that perpetuates the idea that Trump actually can win reelection (coup attempts aside) cast doubt on our system and undermine the institutions of our republic. And frankly, it allows the continued fleecing of low information voters who might donate to him not realizing where their money is really going.
It was a clear win in 2016. This is too close and now too much of a mess of legal votes.
We will have to watch PA. GA being recounted. Some states still counting.
Whatever happens, I, personally want to know if there is fraud. NY even hasn’t been totally counted yet.
So at what point would you accept and trust the results? Fast forward to when all “recounts” are done and “fraud investigations” are sorted out. If Trump and friends still say it’s rigged, will you continue to believe that ? Basically, who will you trust?
Trump and friends and Brietbart will always maintain fraud. Even if they did repeated recounts. That’s their narrative.
If the states come back and say they recounted and still have the same numbers then myself and everyone I know and news people have said it is what it is. Will I still think there is fraud? Yep as what I have seen the last 4 years years but I have to go by what the states say.
That’s what I figured. Not saying that as a dig, but I don’t think any Trump supporter will accept it, regardless of legal cases and recounts. It’s just amazing to me that the Homeland Security team who works under Trump… Can say that this is the most secure election in history, and people still will believe Trump and Brietbart.
You will be surprised what people think. Don’t assume :)
I try not to but I am trying to understand the logic. Even if you feel differently I do appreciate you sharing your take on it.
Lots of people didn’t want Trump but no one asserted he won via fraud back in 2016. People were angry and marched, but accepted the results as valid. It’s troubling to me that someone in power is refusing election results.
Well we will see how it comes out. If he doesn’t win, then hopefully if any fraud is happening it will be stopped for future elections. I voted and that is all I can do now. I can only hope and pray for the next 4 years. My family is finally doing better and it would be a shame to go backwards.
thoughts and prayers
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Re: Only "fraud" found in PA was recanted
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Well we will see how it comes out. If he doesn’t win, then hopefully if any fraud is happening it will be stopped for future elections. I voted and that is all I can do now. I can only hope and pray for the next 4 years. My family is finally doing better and it would be a shame to go backwards.
You keep mentioning election fraud. What election fraud? Even Trump's lawyers won't state fraud in front of a judge for fear of perjuring themselves.
The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency in the Department of Homeland Security circulated a statement by the Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council, a group of federal, state, and local officials, declaring that the 2020 election was “the most secure in American history” and that “there is no evidence” of tampering with any voting systems.
There has been no state, Demo or Rep, that has stated fraud.
Do you think this is some great cover up or conspiracy theory to make sure Trump doesn't get in? It would have to include the state's in won to be part of it too. You can't make a believable argument that fraud only appeared in state's Biden won but not in Trump's states. What about the Senate races that went Republican but the state went Blue for Biden. Are only part of those ballots fraudulent?
Saying there is fraud over and over and over and over again doesn't make it evidence or such nor does it make it true.
Where is this widespread fraud?
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That is what is soooo mind boggling is why is Trump's focus ONLY on states he did NOT win.
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Re: Only "fraud" found in PA was recanted
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Well we will see how it comes out. If he doesn’t win, then hopefully if any fraud is happening it will be stopped for future elections. I voted and that is all I can do now. I can only hope and pray for the next 4 years. My family is finally doing better and it would be a shame to go backwards.
You keep mentioning election fraud. What election fraud? Even Trump's lawyers won't state fraud in front of a judge for fear of perjuring themselves.
The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency in the Department of Homeland Security circulated a statement by the Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council, a group of federal, state, and local officials, declaring that the 2020 election was “the most secure in American history” and that “there is no evidence” of tampering with any voting systems.
There has been no state, Demo or Rep, that has stated fraud.
Do you think this is some great cover up or conspiracy theory to make sure Trump doesn't get in? It would have to include the state's in won to be part of it too. You can't make a believable argument that fraud only appeared in state's Biden won but not in Trump's states. What about the Senate races that went Republican but the state went Blue for Biden. Are only part of those ballots fraudulent?
Saying there is fraud over and over and over and over again doesn't make it evidence or such nor does it make it true.
Where is this widespread fraud?
Homeland security was speaking of international fraud and interference.
The fraud of multiple ballots that might have been signed or not signed that have gone through.
All ballots will be recounted in GA by hand. They just won part of a battle in PA for ballots that should not have been counted for the dating. The whistleblower postal worker has 2 hours of video regarding the fraud they were told to do and threatened to back down. His affidavid is still good.
Many other states are still not done counting and more and more people coming out about dead relatives, multiple ballots, ballet harvesting.
While I am sitting here John Schneider is on speaking out it as he, as unusual as it is for someone in Hollywood to speak up for Trump.
Will there be enough for Trump to win? Maybe not but he has every right to do what he is doing and he is not the first one.
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Re: Only "fraud" found in PA was recanted
Posted by RainyDay
That is what is soooo mind boggling is why is Trump's focus ONLY on states he did NOT win.
These states haven't even finished counting and are so close and many have come forward with issues.
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| Posted 11/13/20 10:35 PM |
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Re: Only "fraud" found in PA was recanted
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by RainyDay
That is what is soooo mind boggling is why is Trump's focus ONLY on states he did NOT win.
These states haven't even finished counting and are so close and many have come forward with issues.
And every single claim is anecdotal and provides no proof or evidence. Also called - circumstantial and hearsay.
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Re: Only "fraud" found in PA was recanted
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Well we will see how it comes out. If he doesn’t win, then hopefully if any fraud is happening it will be stopped for future elections. I voted and that is all I can do now. I can only hope and pray for the next 4 years. My family is finally doing better and it would be a shame to go backwards.
You keep mentioning election fraud. What election fraud? Even Trump's lawyers won't state fraud in front of a judge for fear of perjuring themselves.
The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency in the Department of Homeland Security circulated a statement by the Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council, a group of federal, state, and local officials, declaring that the 2020 election was “the most secure in American history” and that “there is no evidence” of tampering with any voting systems.
There has been no state, Demo or Rep, that has stated fraud.
Do you think this is some great cover up or conspiracy theory to make sure Trump doesn't get in? It would have to include the state's in won to be part of it too. You can't make a believable argument that fraud only appeared in state's Biden won but not in Trump's states. What about the Senate races that went Republican but the state went Blue for Biden. Are only part of those ballots fraudulent?
Saying there is fraud over and over and over and over again doesn't make it evidence or such nor does it make it true.
Where is this widespread fraud?
Homeland security was speaking of international fraud and interference.
The fraud of multiple ballots that might have been signed or not signed that have gone through.
All ballots will be recounted in GA by hand. They just won part of a battle in PA for ballots that should not have been counted for the dating. The whistleblower postal worker has 2 hours of video regarding the fraud they were told to do and threatened to back down. His affidavid is still good.
Many other states are still not done counting and more and more people coming out about dead relatives, multiple ballots, ballet harvesting.
While I am sitting here John Schneider is on speaking out it as he, as unusual as it is for someone in Hollywood to speak up for Trump.
Will there be enough for Trump to win? Maybe not but he has every right to do what he is doing and he is not the first one.
PA is very specific in the ruling you are referring to. It's a small number of mail in ballots for first time PA votes who were unable to confirm their identification by 11/9. These votes haven't even been counted so their disqualification will not affect the outcome.
The PA postal worker has recanted and stated that he fabricated the story. So that is not evidence.
GA - GA law provides for an auditing process and this is how Raffensperger chose to conduct the audit.
Some believe he stole the election through voter suppression with Stacy Abrams.
On average, 128 votes have been misread. That is not going to be enough to overcome a 14,000 vote lead.
Again, there really is no evidence of voter fraud, tampering, misconduct, etc that has been brought out. None.
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Re: Only "fraud" found in PA was recanted
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by RainyDay
That is what is soooo mind boggling is why is Trump's focus ONLY on states he did NOT win.
These states haven't even finished counting and are so close and many have come forward with issues.
Only GA is doing a recount. It's because of the close race that a massive sample would have to be taken to statically be accurate that they might as well miscount.
What other states are recounting?
If Trump has the money to have every state recounted he would but he can't afford that and state's are not going to just take on the cost because he wished the results were different.
Heck - I wish they would recount SC and KY and find out Graham and McConnell actually lost.
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Re: Only "fraud" found in PA was recanted
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Well we will see how it comes out. If he doesn’t win, then hopefully if any fraud is happening it will be stopped for future elections. I voted and that is all I can do now. I can only hope and pray for the next 4 years. My family is finally doing better and it would be a shame to go backwards.
You keep mentioning election fraud. What election fraud? Even Trump's lawyers won't state fraud in front of a judge for fear of perjuring themselves.
The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency in the Department of Homeland Security circulated a statement by the Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council, a group of federal, state, and local officials, declaring that the 2020 election was “the most secure in American history” and that “there is no evidence” of tampering with any voting systems.
There has been no state, Demo or Rep, that has stated fraud.
Do you think this is some great cover up or conspiracy theory to make sure Trump doesn't get in? It would have to include the state's in won to be part of it too. You can't make a believable argument that fraud only appeared in state's Biden won but not in Trump's states. What about the Senate races that went Republican but the state went Blue for Biden. Are only part of those ballots fraudulent?
Saying there is fraud over and over and over and over again doesn't make it evidence or such nor does it make it true.
Where is this widespread fraud?
Homeland security was speaking of international fraud and interference.
The fraud of multiple ballots that might have been signed or not signed that have gone through.
All ballots will be recounted in GA by hand. They just won part of a battle in PA for ballots that should not have been counted for the dating. The whistleblower postal worker has 2 hours of video regarding the fraud they were told to do and threatened to back down. His affidavid is still good.
Many other states are still not done counting and more and more people coming out about dead relatives, multiple ballots, ballet harvesting.
While I am sitting here John Schneider is on speaking out it as he, as unusual as it is for someone in Hollywood to speak up for Trump.
Will there be enough for Trump to win? Maybe not but he has every right to do what he is doing and he is not the first one.
PA is very specific in the ruling you are referring to. It's a small number of mail in ballots for first time PA votes who were unable to confirm their identification by 11/9. These votes haven't even been counted so their disqualification will not affect the outcome.
The PA postal worker has recanted and stated that he fabricated the story. So that is not evidence.
GA - GA law provides for an auditing process and this is how Raffensperger chose to conduct the audit.
Some believe he stole the election through voter suppression with Stacy Abrams.
On average, 128 votes have been misread. That is not going to be enough to overcome a 14,000 vote lead.
Again, there really is no evidence of voter fraud, tampering, misconduct, etc that has been brought out. None.
Actually the postal worker did not. He has 2 hours of video and was on the news the other night indicating he still goes by his signed affidavit. Not sure how much further that will go.
All I know about GA is they will be recounted by hand.
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| Posted 11/14/20 1:41 AM |
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Re: Only "fraud" found in PA was recanted
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Posted by CookiePuss
Posted by valentinesbaby48
Well we will see how it comes out. If he doesn’t win, then hopefully if any fraud is happening it will be stopped for future elections. I voted and that is all I can do now. I can only hope and pray for the next 4 years. My family is finally doing better and it would be a shame to go backwards.
You keep mentioning election fraud. What election fraud? Even Trump's lawyers won't state fraud in front of a judge for fear of perjuring themselves.
The Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency in the Department of Homeland Security circulated a statement by the Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council, a group of federal, state, and local officials, declaring that the 2020 election was “the most secure in American history” and that “there is no evidence” of tampering with any voting systems.
There has been no state, Demo or Rep, that has stated fraud.
Do you think this is some great cover up or conspiracy theory to make sure Trump doesn't get in? It would have to include the state's in won to be part of it too. You can't make a believable argument that fraud only appeared in state's Biden won but not in Trump's states. What about the Senate races that went Republican but the state went Blue for Biden. Are only part of those ballots fraudulent?
Saying there is fraud over and over and over and over again doesn't make it evidence or such nor does it make it true.
Where is this widespread fraud?
Homeland security was speaking of international fraud and interference.
The fraud of multiple ballots that might have been signed or not signed that have gone through.
All ballots will be recounted in GA by hand. They just won part of a battle in PA for ballots that should not have been counted for the dating. The whistleblower postal worker has 2 hours of video regarding the fraud they were told to do and threatened to back down. His affidavid is still good.
Many other states are still not done counting and more and more people coming out about dead relatives, multiple ballots, ballet harvesting.
While I am sitting here John Schneider is on speaking out it as he, as unusual as it is for someone in Hollywood to speak up for Trump.
Will there be enough for Trump to win? Maybe not but he has every right to do what he is doing and he is not the first one.
PA is very specific in the ruling you are referring to. It's a small number of mail in ballots for first time PA votes who were unable to confirm their identification by 11/9. These votes haven't even been counted so their disqualification will not affect the outcome.
The PA postal worker has recanted and stated that he fabricated the story. So that is not evidence.
GA - GA law provides for an auditing process and this is how Raffensperger chose to conduct the audit.
Some believe he stole the election through voter suppression with Stacy Abrams.
On average, 128 votes have been misread. That is not going to be enough to overcome a 14,000 vote lead.
Again, there really is no evidence of voter fraud, tampering, misconduct, etc that has been brought out. None.
Actually the postal worker did not. He has 2 hours of video and was on the news the other night indicating he still goes by his signed affidavit. Not sure how much further that will go.
All I know about GA is they will be recounted by hand.
Which signed affidavit? The one on 11/9/2020 where he recanted his story to the Inspector General?
If the USPS employee is lying about election fraud; he'll face federal charges. If he has hours of video - then it will prove or disprove his point.
GA will do an electric recount after the hand recount.
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