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gabbygirl855
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No vaccinations at all???
DS has gotten some vaccinations and me and dh always fight about it. He doesnt want to get anymore for him but i do. Anyone have any advice? I feel that its important but he did a lot of research and doesnt agree with what is put in them:(
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
A lot of diseases that were almost extinct are cropping back up because babies are not being vaccinated. Measles, Pertussis to name a few that are killing children.
I agree, not enough research is done to prove the safety of ingredients in vaccines, but vaccines (for the most part) guarantee protection from illness. Illness that can kill. That's enough for me.
I rather risk the unknown with the vaccine than risking something more definite that my baby might catch something that will get him very sick.
Think it over and talk to him. Be education on what the vaccines you are deciding on. Always be mindful what your sources of information are. Doctors have gone to jail for falsifying information to promote vaccine scares.
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| Posted 1/23/11 7:38 PM |
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jteach
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
I have also done a lot of research and I completely disagree with withholding vaccines.
Its because of this thinking that so many of our children are getting sick. I would never want my child to be around a child that was not vaccinated for fear that my young child may catch something before she was old enough to receive her vaccine.
i may get flamed for thinking this way, but I am so against this train of thought and I feel like if people keep doing this we will end up like it was in the early days where children died from basic illnesses.
These vaccines are here for a reason, its not to hurt but to help
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| Posted 1/23/11 7:39 PM |
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nov04libride
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Have him speak to your ped--mine will not treat patients who refuse vaccines.
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| Posted 1/23/11 7:40 PM |
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schmora15
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Be opened minded to review the research he's done. Mothering.com has a good board for addressing vaccination concerns. We're undecided still about vaccinating DD. We're at least delaying until she's 3 and her nervous system is more fully developed. HTH!
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| Posted 1/23/11 7:42 PM |
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ChrisDee
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
I believe he will be REQUIRED to have certain ones if he is going to go to school.
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| Posted 1/23/11 7:43 PM |
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
I think it's a very personal decision, and regardless of what people think, there really is no right or wrong answer. Do what you feel is best, try to compromise. 
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| Posted 1/23/11 7:44 PM |
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mig
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
It is a personal decision. My DD goes to daycare and I felt that I had to vaccinate because she would be exposed to many illnesses that her body would not be able to handle. That being said, I also did not want her to carry something and give it to any other child. She has only been to daycare for 3 weeks and has already had two ear infections, a cold, and the stomach virus! It's crazy how little immunity babies have! I would not risk having her exposed to somthing much more serious like pertussis or other childhood diseases. A child will not be allowed to attend school if they are not vaccinated. I did not want to delay and then have to catch up later so that she could attend school. That's why I am having her get all of her vaccines. Of course you could always get a letter from your religious institution saying it is against your religion or from a doc saying there is a medical reason (although I don't think any doc will). HTH although it probably doesn't.
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| Posted 1/23/11 8:00 PM |
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Babymakin
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
I want to cime in for a moment since I have been having a GREAT deal of discussions on this on Facebook with a friend.
I am TTC. When I have a child I will be vaccinating.
Too many children are dying from disease that has been almost eradicated. Too many children die from the flu. I know doctors who see MODERN cases of Polio. There is nothing anyone will be able to tell me that will convince me that vaccination is not the best thing to do for your children.
(sorry, I feel very strongly about this)
Is there a risk? Yes. But there is a also a risk of getting into your car, walking....
But, the best advice any of us can give you is talk to your Ped. They will be able to give you the best medical advice for you to follow.
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| Posted 1/23/11 8:16 PM |
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OrganicMama
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by gabbygirl855
DS has gotten some vaccinations and me and dh always fight about it. He doesnt want to get anymore for him but i do. Anyone have any advice? I feel that its important but he did a lot of research and doesnt agree with what is put in them:(
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in the state of NY you can't pick and choose which vaccines to give your child. There is no "philosophical" exemption where you can pick and choose which ones to give, only religious exemption which is giving none.
I've chosen to delay until I either quit BFing or DS turns 2, whichever comes first. If he were in daycare or I took him to open-play places it would be a different story. I would still delay a little bit, but not to 2 years old. And for me it's important to know that A LOT of these vaccines protect our children from only a very small percentage of an illness. If your DC gets the PCV vaccine (pneumococcal), the most sever strains are NOT found in the vaccine, so it offers little protection.
I've created my own vaccine schedule because I do want him to have protection against these illnesses, but I think 36 vaccines recommended by the AAP is ridiculous. With my schedule DS will receive a total of 12 vaccines over his lifetime instead of the 36 that other kids are getting.
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| Posted 1/23/11 8:23 PM |
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Karen
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
I would have your DH accompany you to your next ped visit and let him talk about his concerns with the ped.
Also keep in mind - since your DS has had some, school will probably require full compliance in order to enroll him. The most you could probably do is delay the remaining vaccines - but then there is the issue of catching up on 3-4 years of vaccines in a small window of time before school begins - which IMO is worse.
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labonnevie
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
I agree with what other posters have said. Posted by mommyIam
A lot of diseases that were almost extinct are cropping back up because babies are not being vaccinated. Measles, Pertussis to name a few that are killing children.
I agree, not enough research is done to prove the safety of ingredients in vaccines, but vaccines (for the most part) guarantee protection from illness. Illness that can kill. That's enough for me.
I rather risk the unknown with the vaccine than risking something more definite that my baby might catch something that will get him very sick.
Think it over and talk to him. Be education on what the vaccines you are deciding on. Always be mindful what your sources of information are. Doctors have gone to jail for falsifying information to promote vaccine scares.
I would NEVER not vaccinate my child. I'm vaccinated, as is my DH, and we're protected from all these SERIOUS illnesses. Why would I not do the same for my DD? I would not be able to live with myself if something happened to her because of MY decision.
There is a reason these vaccinations are around. There is a reason why pediatricians won't take you as a patient if you won't vaccinate. Your child will HAVE to get vaccinated come kindergarten (maybe sooner for preschool) and then you will have your DC receiving a good amount of shots at the same time.
Your DH needs to weigh the good and bad. Would you rather leave your DC at risk and exposed to EVERYTHING, even life threatening illnesses and live what what may happen, or vaccinate your DC? I know that I would not want my child or myself spending anytime with your DC and put ourselves at risk, I wouldn't care if you were my sister.
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Your child has to be vaccinated for school or daycare unless you have religious beliefs that don't allow and for us it had to be proven. I didn't bother and got the kids vaccinated and couldn't be happier with our decision.
Too many diseases coming back and I couldn't live with myself if something happened to them because I didn't want to vaccinate.
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| Posted 1/23/11 8:27 PM |
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Karen
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by OrganicMama
Posted by gabbygirl855
DS has gotten some vaccinations and me and dh always fight about it. He doesnt want to get anymore for him but i do. Anyone have any advice? I feel that its important but he did a lot of research and doesnt agree with what is put in them:(
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but in the state of NY you can't pick and choose which vaccines to give your child. There is no "philosophical" exemption where you can pick and choose which ones to give, only religious exemption which is giving none.
In my experience, yes, you are 100% correct. In NYS, once your child has had even just 1 vaccine (which for many is the HepB in the hospital right after delivery), schools can require you to fully vaccinate them before they will enroll them.
Also keep in mind, even if you do cite a religious exemption - it's not so easy as just walking into your district office and declaring your religious beliefs do not allow for vaccinations. In many cases it involves going before the school board for a hearing and can get expensive if you hire a lawyer.
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by nov04libride
Have him speak to your ped--mine will not treat patients who refuse vaccines.
Most won't.
Not to mention he won't be accepted in daycare, school, etc.
It is no longer easy to get religious exemption if he wants to go that route
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BeachMom
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
A far as I know to enter school your child has to be vaccinated unless you have a religious or medical belief in which you do not vaccinate.
however, since you already gave some vaccines, you can't use that exception.
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| Posted 1/23/11 8:30 PM |
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Grill
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
however, since you already gave some vaccines, you can't use that exception.
I don't understand the logic behind this rule. It's like saying that since you are a heroin addict you might as well never stop using. Or it's like saying that once you believe in God you're never allowed to renounce your faith. So, under NY law, you're not allowed to become educated, change your mind, or grow into a new decision? I'm not weighing in on the OPs question about vaccines...just taking note of how ridiculous this "law" is. Hey, no one ever promised that legality and morality were one in the same.
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| Posted 1/23/11 8:36 PM |
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gabbygirl855
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Thanks girls- certain ones are a def.no for us. I am doing some research but we will be doing the major ones for now only.
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| Posted 1/23/11 8:40 PM |
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OrganicMama
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by Karen
Also keep in mind - since your DS has had some, school will probably require full compliance in order to enroll him. The most you could probably do is delay the remaining vaccines - but then there is the issue of catching up on 3-4 years of vaccines in a small window of time before school begins - which IMO is worse.
By delaying the vaccines past a certain age, less doses are required. So instead of receiving 4 HIB vaccinations, she would on require 1 for DC if it is given after 15 months. Instead of 4 DTaps, she would need 3. Same for Varicella and PCV.
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| Posted 1/23/11 8:42 PM |
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schmora15
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
It is possible to still claim religious exemption after having your LO receive some. People's views change as do their beliefs. From what i've heard thru others experiences it's more common not to encounter resistance. I attended a lecture given by rita palma, the bay port or bell port mother who had lots of issues a couple of yrs ago. I'm pretty sure you can email her thru her website if you have questions. I think it's mykidsmychoice.com. I'm not sure though.
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colesmom
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by Grill
however, since you already gave some vaccines, you can't use that exception.
I don't understand the logic behind this rule. It's like saying that since you are a heroin addict you might as well never stop using. Or it's like saying that once you believe in God you're never allowed to renounce your faith. So, under NY law, you're not allowed to become educated, change your mind, or grow into a new decision? I'm not weighing in on the OPs question about vaccines...just taking note of how ridiculous this "law" is. Hey, no one ever promised that legality and morality were one in the same.
This is incorrect. You can declare religious exemption at any time no matter what the prior vaccination history is.
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DRMom
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by gabbygirl855
Thanks girls- certain ones are a def.no for us. I am doing some research but we will be doing the major ones for now only.
I have done this for my kids.
We refused:
Hep B
Rotavirus
Chicken Pox
We did:
DTap
IPV(Polio)
Pneumococcal
Hib
Tey got their first shots at 4 months, 2nd dose at aound 9 mos, third dose around 15 months and for those that required 4 at 2 yr visit
ETA-see if he'll read Dr Sears vacine book. While he is a "mainstream Dr" he gives a nice overview of what is in the shots, the chances of getting the diseases etc.
My kids have never been in daycare. If they were I would seriously consider vacinating on schedule because of the exposure. I also feed my kids all organic foods and they are VERY healthy. Rarely sick
We are delaying the MMR haven't decided when we will do it
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OrganicMama
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by Grill
however, since you already gave some vaccines, you can't use that exception.
I don't understand the logic behind this rule. It's like saying that since you are a heroin addict you might as well never stop using. Or it's like saying that once you believe in God you're never allowed to renounce your faith. So, under NY law, you're not allowed to become educated, change your mind, or grow into a new decision? I'm not weighing in on the OPs question about vaccines...just taking note of how ridiculous this "law" is. Hey, no one ever promised that legality and morality were one in the same.
The laws regarding vaccines are ridiculous IMO. I know vaccines are here to protect us, but I feel like that's almost taking away my right to choose as a parent. For instance, I DO.NOT.WANT. to give DS the Chickepox vaccine. But because I am giving him other vaccines, I am REQUIRED to give him this one to enroll him in public school.
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Karen
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by OrganicMama
Posted by Karen
Also keep in mind - since your DS has had some, school will probably require full compliance in order to enroll him. The most you could probably do is delay the remaining vaccines - but then there is the issue of catching up on 3-4 years of vaccines in a small window of time before school begins - which IMO is worse.
By delaying the vaccines past a certain age, less doses are required. So instead of receiving 4 HIB vaccinations, she would on require 1 for DC if it is given after 15 months. Instead of 4 DTaps, she would need 3. Same for Varicella and PCV.
I totally see what you are saying, but if you waited until your child was ready to enter school before you began vaccinating, your child now needs 3 DTaps in a very short window of time (plus everything else), versus the years that the original 4 DTaps were spread over. So which is really worse?
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OrganicMama
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by colesmom
Posted by Grill
however, since you already gave some vaccines, you can't use that exception.
I don't understand the logic behind this rule. It's like saying that since you are a heroin addict you might as well never stop using. Or it's like saying that once you believe in God you're never allowed to renounce your faith. So, under NY law, you're not allowed to become educated, change your mind, or grow into a new decision? I'm not weighing in on the OPs question about vaccines...just taking note of how ridiculous this "law" is. Hey, no one ever promised that legality and morality were one in the same.
This is incorrect. You can declare religious exemption at any time no matter what the prior vaccination history is.
So if I give DS the vaccines that I want him to get, then I can claim religious exemption so I don't have to give him the others? And he can still attend public school?
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