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colesmom
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by OrganicMama
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Also keep in mind - since your DS has had some, school will probably require full compliance in order to enroll him. The most you could probably do is delay the remaining vaccines - but then there is the issue of catching up on 3-4 years of vaccines in a small window of time before school begins - which IMO is worse.
By delaying the vaccines past a certain age, less doses are required. So instead of receiving 4 HIB vaccinations, she would on require 1 for DC if it is given after 15 months. Instead of 4 DTaps, she would need 3. Same for Varicella and PCV.
This is an important fact IMO. Also, titres can be done to check for immunity after having just one dose of each vaccine. Cole had one MMR and is fully immunized. the titre is sufficient proof for school.
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OrganicMama
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by Karen
Posted by OrganicMama
Posted by Karen
Also keep in mind - since your DS has had some, school will probably require full compliance in order to enroll him. The most you could probably do is delay the remaining vaccines - but then there is the issue of catching up on 3-4 years of vaccines in a small window of time before school begins - which IMO is worse.
By delaying the vaccines past a certain age, less doses are required. So instead of receiving 4 HIB vaccinations, she would on require 1 for DC if it is given after 15 months. Instead of 4 DTaps, she would need 3. Same for Varicella and PCV.
I totally see what you are saying, but if you waited until your child was ready to enter school before you began vaccinating, your child now needs 3 DTaps in a very short window of time (plus everything else), versus the years that the original 4 DTaps were spread over. So which is really worse?
DTap is spread out over 16 months (if you're following the AAP schedule). If I start vaccinating DS at 2yrs I will still spread them out at least 6 months apart. I feel like his immune system can handle it much better. As it is, 90% of the vaccines are given in the first 18 months. The only difference is I'm pushing that back by 2 years and he's getting less doses.
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by Grill
however, since you already gave some vaccines, you can't use that exception.
I don't understand the logic behind this rule. It's like saying that since you are a heroin addict you might as well never stop using. Or it's like saying that once you believe in God you're never allowed to renounce your faith. So, under NY law, you're not allowed to become educated, change your mind, or grow into a new decision? I'm not weighing in on the OPs question about vaccines...just taking note of how ridiculous this "law" is. Hey, no one ever promised that legality and morality were one in the same.
Thats not true. You can still obtain a religious exemption if you've vaccinated before. You just can't ever vaccinate again.
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OrganicMama
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by colesmom
Posted by OrganicMama
Posted by Karen
Also keep in mind - since your DS has had some, school will probably require full compliance in order to enroll him. The most you could probably do is delay the remaining vaccines - but then there is the issue of catching up on 3-4 years of vaccines in a small window of time before school begins - which IMO is worse.
By delaying the vaccines past a certain age, less doses are required. So instead of receiving 4 HIB vaccinations, she would on require 1 for DC if it is given after 15 months. Instead of 4 DTaps, she would need 3. Same for Varicella and PCV.
This is an important fact IMO. Also, titres can be done to check for immunity after having just one dose of each vaccine. Cole had one MMR and is fully immunized. the titre is sufficient proof for school.
Exactly. That's the other thing. I will be having titres done to check for immunity. If there's any way I can skip additional vaccines I will do it.
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by OrganicMama
So if I give DS the vaccines that I want him to get, then I can claim religious exemption so I don't have to give him the others? And he can still attend public school?
Absolutely YES YES YES...
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colesmom
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by OrganicMama
Posted by colesmom
Posted by Grill
however, since you already gave some vaccines, you can't use that exception.
I don't understand the logic behind this rule. It's like saying that since you are a heroin addict you might as well never stop using. Or it's like saying that once you believe in God you're never allowed to renounce your faith. So, under NY law, you're not allowed to become educated, change your mind, or grow into a new decision? I'm not weighing in on the OPs question about vaccines...just taking note of how ridiculous this "law" is. Hey, no one ever promised that legality and morality were one in the same.
This is incorrect. You can declare religious exemption at any time no matter what the prior vaccination history is.
So if I give DS the vaccines that I want him to get, then I can claim religious exemption so I don't have to give him the others? And he can still attend public school?
The short answer is yes. Prepare for more scrutiny, but the majority of parents have not had a problem. Or you could find a chicken pox party and get proof that he;s had it. 
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
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Posted by OrganicMama
So if I give DS the vaccines that I want him to get, then I can claim religious exemption so I don't have to give him the others? And he can still attend public school?
Absolutely YES YES YES...
You can't continue giving vaccinations after you've filed a religious exemption. They would throw out your exemption and probably exclude your child from school until you received the ones you were missing.
Technically you could give all the major ones, stop and then file the exemption, but it isn't exactly ethical to do that.
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Message edited 1/23/2011 9:02:10 PM.
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OrganicMama
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
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Posted by OrganicMama
So if I give DS the vaccines that I want him to get, then I can claim religious exemption so I don't have to give him the others? And he can still attend public school?
Absolutely YES YES YES...
You can't continue giving vaccinations after you've filed a religious exemption. They would throw out your exemption and probably exclude your child from school until you received the ones you were missing.
Technically you could give all the major ones, stop and then file the exemption, but it isn't exactly ethical to do that.
I don't think it's exactly ethical for them to tell me what to do with my child either.
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colesmom
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Thats not true. You can still obtain a religious exemption if you've vaccinated before. You just can't ever vaccinate again.
Not necessarily - if say there is a local pertussis outbreak and your DC is high risk and you decide to vaccinate against just that, your ped. is not required to tell the school district that you have done so.
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Kidsaplenty
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by OrganicMama
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Posted by AJandCJsMommy
Posted by OrganicMama
So if I give DS the vaccines that I want him to get, then I can claim religious exemption so I don't have to give him the others? And he can still attend public school?
Absolutely YES YES YES...
You can't continue giving vaccinations after you've filed a religious exemption. They would throw out your exemption and probably exclude your child from school until you received the ones you were missing.
Technically you could give all the major ones, stop and then file the exemption, but it isn't exactly ethical to do that.
I don't think it's exactly ethical for them to tell me what to do with my child either.
I agree with you completely, I have no issues with exemptions, I even volunteer with a pro-choice group. But I have seen schools who required parents to come in and explain their beliefs because the school board found it suspicious that the only vaccine missing was for chicken pox, and denied their waiver. When the parents appealed to the commissioner of ed. they lost their appeal. So it is risky to go about it that way. If you want more info fm me.
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by colesmom
Thats not true. You can still obtain a religious exemption if you've vaccinated before. You just can't ever vaccinate again.
Not necessarily - if say there is a local pertussis outbreak and your DC is high risk and you decide to vaccinate against just that, your ped. is not required to tell the school district that you have done so.
There is a state-wide registry of vaccinations statuses. They can look you up very easily and determine whether or not you have vaccinated in the past and when the last time was.
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OrganicMama
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
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Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by AJandCJsMommy
Posted by OrganicMama
So if I give DS the vaccines that I want him to get, then I can claim religious exemption so I don't have to give him the others? And he can still attend public school?
Absolutely YES YES YES...
You can't continue giving vaccinations after you've filed a religious exemption. They would throw out your exemption and probably exclude your child from school until you received the ones you were missing.
Technically you could give all the major ones, stop and then file the exemption, but it isn't exactly ethical to do that.
I don't think it's exactly ethical for them to tell me what to do with my child either.
I agree with you completely, I have no issues with exemptions, I even volunteer with a pro-choice group. But I have seen schools who required parents to come in and explain their beliefs because the school board found it suspicious that the only vaccine missing was for chicken pox, and denied their waiver. When the parents appealed to the commissioner of ed. they lost their appeal. So it is risky to go about it that way. If you want more info fm me.
Thank you 
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colesmom
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
You can certainly change your mind and have your DC catch up on all of the vaccinations (but again it would still be far less than the 36 he would originally require)
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colesmom
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by Kidsaplenty
Posted by colesmom
Thats not true. You can still obtain a religious exemption if you've vaccinated before. You just can't ever vaccinate again.
Not necessarily - if say there is a local pertussis outbreak and your DC is high risk and you decide to vaccinate against just that, your ped. is not required to tell the school district that you have done so.
There is a state-wide registry of vaccinations statuses. They can look you up very easily and determine whether or not you have vaccinated in the past and when the last time was.
But the info comes from the school districts, not the pediatricians - that would violate HIPPA laws.
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
I have a friend who does not vaccinate her children. I worry for them.
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Kidsaplenty
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
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Posted by colesmom
Thats not true. You can still obtain a religious exemption if you've vaccinated before. You just can't ever vaccinate again.
Not necessarily - if say there is a local pertussis outbreak and your DC is high risk and you decide to vaccinate against just that, your ped. is not required to tell the school district that you have done so.
There is a state-wide registry of vaccinations statuses. They can look you up very easily and determine whether or not you have vaccinated in the past and when the last time was.
But the info comes from the school districts, not the pediatricians - that would violate HIPPA laws.
Doctors are required to add the info for any vaccine administered to children under the age of 19. More info here NYS Immunization Registry
ETA: And schools can access the info.
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colesmom
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Thanks for that link - we're in the process of figuring this all out. Again, NOT something taken lightly by any means.
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
I am an administrator of a public school and yes...you can claim religious exemption at any time, even if you have gotten your child vaccinated with some vaccines. However, it is not as easy as it sounds and you must have written documentation.
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| Posted 1/23/11 9:18 PM |
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OrganicMama
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by mig
I am an administrator of a public school and yes...you can claim religious exemption at any time, even if you have gotten your child vaccinated with some vaccines. However, it is not as easy as it sounds and you must have written documentation.
What kind of written documentation?
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by Lucky
I have a friend who does not vaccinate her children. I worry for them.
II have a cousin who doesn't vaccinate her children either. They are 9 and 7. They go to Waldorf school. They are healthy kids and extremely bright.
It was nuts to us at first but we are so used to it now.
They live a totally different lifestyle (vegans, no tv, etc) and she is doing an excellent job!
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Kidsaplenty
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by OrganicMama
Posted by mig
I am an administrator of a public school and yes...you can claim religious exemption at any time, even if you have gotten your child vaccinated with some vaccines. However, it is not as easy as it sounds and you must have written documentation.
What kind of written documentation?
You have to have a very well written exemption letter that clearly lays out your religious beliefs. Legally they can't ask you for documentation that you attend services regularly, and your beliefs don't even have to fit in with the faith you are, since they are your personal beliefs. The process can be extremely easy if you do it the right way the first time.
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Posted by Lucky
I have a friend who does not vaccinate her children. I worry for them.
Me too.
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
Not vaccinating can also be bad for others. For exampme your child might not contract a disease but carry and pass the disease to others with comprimised immune systems like old people or infants that cannot be immumized.
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Re: No vaccinations at all???
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Not vaccinating can also be bad for others. For exampme your child might not contract a disease but carry and pass the disease to others with comprimised immune systems like old people or infants that cannot be immumized.
Which is the same as if you do vaccinate.
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