Re: No vaccinations at all???

Posted by maymama

Posted by Sassyz75

And in the 1950s there were 4 or 5 vaccines. So does that mean science and medical research has improved or that the medical establishment is money hungry and needlessly vaccinating our children?

in the 1950's, what did we know of cancer and the dangers of cigarette smoke? how long was the human life expectancy? i think its safe to say that medicine has vastly evolved since then

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A Girl I work with never vaccinated her daughter...then it was time to go to school and they wouldn't accept her so she had no choice but to get the Vaccines I think it was only the MMR.

She said she rarely got sick. I just couldn't take that chance, its a personal decision.

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about CVS, I didn't go too deep into it, but I meant the general "over-medicalization" of America.

You drive past CVS, and there is the huge flu banner. You turn on the TV and the commercial tells you about a new wonder drug to ask your doctor about the next time you see him. It's marketing of a big business - the drug industry, which is in bed with the gov't more often than not.
So, we go into the doc office and request the latest wonder drug, like we are asking for this season's new LV bag. Over the counter cold medicine with pseudoephederine in it (like some kinds of Mucinex) requires your drivers license info to be put on file..b/c it is used to create Meth.

Yes, I think flu shots can benefit some with weak immune systems or the elderly.
Most others I know who get the flu shot, end up sick.

So many doctors write a script for every pill in the book before urging you first to modify your lifestyle or eating habits, drug reps have such a hold on doctor's offices....many doctors are pushed to write certain scripts on drugs that are the "latest thing" and then taken off the market. The drug reps give the offices fancy lunches and free pens and calendars, and then later on, we find out that they need to be taken off the market. Vioxx, Raptiva, etc..

Everyone has to make his or her own choice for themselves or their child, and even if no one agrees, I can still respect the parent that does it differently than I do, b/c I know they are doing what they think is best.

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Re: No vaccinations at all???

Posted by NYPD-Wife

A Girl I work with never vaccinated her daughter...then it was time to go to school and they wouldn't accept her so she had no choice but to get the Vaccines I think it was only the MMR.

She said she rarely got sick. I just couldn't take that chance, its a personal decision.

Re: No vaccinations at all???

Posted by BargainMama

Posted by NYPD-Wife

A Girl I work with never vaccinated her daughter...then it was time to go to school and they wouldn't accept her so she had no choice but to get the Vaccines I think it was only the MMR.

She said she rarely got sick. I just couldn't take that chance, its a personal decision.

This is just not true...they need more than just an MMR to go to school. It was just on the news about a district on LI that had to suspend students until they got the mandatory vaccines and their parents were non-responsive to the notices they sent out. I believe it was a middle or high school. The Dtap is one of them, not sure of others

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I would delay some and break them up/separate them , instead of giving them all at once (for ex. MMR vaccine) . This is my plan if we have another DC.
BTW DD got all her vaccines on time an as scheduled by AAP.

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My one nephew has no vaccinations and his older brother only has half. My older nephew had bad recations to shots when he was little. Turns out he had an auto-immune issue and the shots were causing him to get sick. So she stopped vaccinating him and then when his little brother came along they decided not to vaccinate at all. Oh and they BOTH were/are in public schools with no problem.

I have to say that I was 100% on her side bc if it was my child that the shots did that too - I would probably never be able to take the chance also
But I will say that I am also a nervous wreck about my DD being around them sometimes... SO I am really torn on it.

Re: No vaccinations at all???

Posted by maymama

Posted by Sassyz75

And in the 1950s there were 4 or 5 vaccines. So does that mean science and medical research has improved or that the medical establishment is money hungry and needlessly vaccinating our children?

in the 1950's, what did we know of cancer and the dangers of cigarette smoke? how long was the human life expectancy? i think its safe to say that medicine has vastly evolved since then

Re: No vaccinations at all???

Posted by maymama

Posted by Sassyz75

And in the 1950s there were 4 or 5 vaccines. So does that mean science and medical research has improved or that the medical establishment is money hungry and needlessly vaccinating our children?

in the 1950's, what did we know of cancer and the dangers of cigarette smoke? how long was the human life expectancy? i think its safe to say that medicine has vastly evolved since then

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there are certain things I vaccinated for and certain things I didn't.

no hepatitis. no rotavirus, no chicken pox. no flu (though this one was harder for me to come to)

he got the MMR, dtap....anything that could kill him or someone else.

he has almost no chance of getting Hepatitis at this age. he's not in day care.

I just don't like the amount of them. I HATE HATE HATE BIg Pharma. I don't trust them at all.

I feel most comfortable getting the shots I got as a child and nothing more.

he won't be getting any shot to go to school that is not absolutely necessary.

but some shots ARE important. we have to weigh the risk to self v. the risks to society, and I do feel that people who do not vaccinate for anything without medical reason are doing a disservice to society at large.

it's better with everything in life to take a measured and balanced and informed approach bc we owe at once a duty to ourselves and our families, but also a duty to those in our community. I would not be able to forgive myself if a baby or imunocompromised person died b.c I did not vaccinate for something like polio or whooping cough (pertussis).

it's hard this parent thing. but we have to face the music and make informed choices and decisions we all can live with.

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I get why some people cut back on some vaccinations or delay them, but not to vaccinate at all is highly irresponsible to both your own child, and to other children as well. Because of the rise in anti-vaccinations, there has been a serious, crippling resurgence in DEATHLY childhood diseases that wiped out thousands of children decades ago.

Even now, at our preschool, a child was just hospitalized for 5 days with severe, severe dehydration from the Rotavirus. You better damn well believe that the parents of the children in the infant room, who were too young to have yet received the rotavirus vaccination, were scared, literally, to death.

The 3 year old who was hospitalized came out of it fine, but god forbid an infant, a 3 month old, were to contract it from him. I wouldn't even want to imagine

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I follow my PED's advice - she went to med school, I didn't. No amount of internet research will lead to that.

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I do not give all the vaccinations, and go on a much slower schedule. There were some vaccinations I was strict about getting even though my DH was not happy about it.

I trust my doctor, but I also have no problem educating myself and challenging authority. If no one ever did we would still be giving birth in Twilight Sleep.

I don't follow anyone blindly because they went to school. I find most doctors are not on top of the latest information. Just look at how many of them can't agree when to start certain foods? And most have no idea what the AAP recommends.

I choose to make the decisions for my child. Not the government.

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Re: No vaccinations at all???

Posted by Bxgell2

I get why some people cut back on some vaccinations or delay them, but not to vaccinate at all is highly irresponsible to both your own child, and to other children as well. Because of the rise in anti-vaccinations, there has been a serious, crippling resurgence in DEATHLY childhood diseases that wiped out thousands of children decades ago.

Even now, at our preschool, a child was just hospitalized for 5 days with severe, severe dehydration from the Rotavirus. You better damn well believe that the parents of the children in the infant room, who were too young to have yet received the rotavirus vaccination, were scared, literally, to death.

The 3 year old who was hospitalized came out of it fine, but god forbid an infant, a 3 month old, were to contract it from him. I wouldn't even want to imagine

Re: No vaccinations at all???

Re: No vaccinations at all???

Posted by Bxgell2

I get why some people cut back on some vaccinations or delay them, but not to vaccinate at all is highly irresponsible to both your own child, and to other children as well. Because of the rise in anti-vaccinations, there has been a serious, crippling resurgence in DEATHLY childhood diseases that wiped out thousands of children decades ago.

Even now, at our preschool, a child was just hospitalized for 5 days with severe, severe dehydration from the Rotavirus. You better damn well believe that the parents of the children in the infant room, who were too young to have yet received the rotavirus vaccination, were scared, literally, to death.

The 3 year old who was hospitalized came out of it fine, but god forbid an infant, a 3 month old, were to contract it from him. I wouldn't even want to imagine

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Re: No vaccinations at all???

I'm not getting into whether you should or shouldn't vaccinate - you will have everyone else on here telling you that.

I do want to share a story I learned about recently. Just for some food for thought (b.c I see all the time - well my child isn't in daycare etc).

You never know where you will be exposed to what they are vaccinating for.

Before my DD attended the school she goes to - there was a parent who came in for her participation day. Later that day she wasn't feeling well and learned she had measles. She was a pediatric nurse and they believe she contracted it from work. There was a real panic for many of the parents who were pregnant or who had newborns (as many parents bring their newborns to school to pick up their siblings).

So to just play devil's advocate for a minute -

We live in an area where there are many immigrants, tourists, etc. You don't know where the person you shop next too has been etc. I think one thing you should think about is how will you feel if your DC contracts one of these diseases and has life long complications (my grandfather became deaf at age 3 from one of illnesses you vaccinate against in the MMR) or heaven forbid something even more serious. We can't live in a bubble but...

Re: No vaccinations at all???

Posted by wingsofsong

Posted by dita

I follow my PED's advice - she went to med school, I didn't. No amount of internet research will lead to that.

I couldn't agree more. We go to our ped because we trust her to know what's best (medically speaking) for our son. If we didn't trust her 100% we would absolutely find another doctor. Neither I nor my husband have ANY training whatsoever in all things medical and she went through years upon years of schooling and training and learning. She answers any questions we have honestly and fully. We follow her advice.

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Re: No vaccinations at all???

I promise you, working in medical fraud for the govt of this country, that there is some very very bad things happening in order to make money.

I promise you it's true. read press releases. investigate these companies. what I see makes me want to vomit.

I am not saying do not vaccinate. at all. I vaccinated my son.

but please realize that there is a huge difference between marketing to get someone to like your brand more than others, and hiding studies and down playing side effects and marketing off label for things it hasn't been approved of.

Pharma is a whole different world. it cannot be compared to luvs v. pampers or Graco v. Britax.

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Re: No vaccinations at all???

My twins are in daycare and to ME, it is critical to be protected against everything/anything. I've done my research and I also trust my doctor 100% on the care of my children. She feels it is better to immunize. That's enough for me.