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Seawolf
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I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Let me preface this by saying I don't have any children, so this isn't a hot button issue for me, and I don't intend to cause drama on here. I believe that if I did have children I would vaccinate, but that is neither here nor there.
I KNOW this is a hot issue for some of you, but I would like an answer to a question that I'm just not clear on.
I have several FB friends who have been posting a LOT lately about this, and sharing photos that are all pro-vaccine, etc. And they are PISSED OFF at parents who choose not to vaccinate. Here is the one point I need clarification on.
IF you do vaccinate your child, and send your child to school with all of their shots, does it really have any bearing on your life if another child does not? Like, if I send my fully vaccinated son Johnny to school and he plays with Mary, who hasn't had any shots, IS there a threat to Johnny, myself, etc? OR is Mary only a threat to another child who has not been vaccinated, a child who is immuno-compromised and maybe can't have shots, etc?
Again, not trying to start anything, just wondering if I could have clarification on that ONE point above. IF your kid has vaccines, IS a non-vaccinated kid a problem for you in any way? Just wondering why some of my mom-friends with vaccinated kids (who do NOT have any chronic medical issues that prevent them from receiving shots) care SO much to the point where they post about it daily.
Thanks in advance!
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
While it would not necessarily impact your vaccinated child, it could impact your children who are below the age that could be vaccinated. For example, if your school age child was sneezed or coughed on, the virus can live in the droplets for up to 2 hours. They can then bring the virus home to your other child who has not been vaccinated because they are not yet a year old. In addition, some children cannot be vaccinated because they are suffering from other diseases like cancer. In my opinion, it is very selfish not to vaccinate.
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BriBri2u
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I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
From what I understand no vaccine is 100% effective. Therefore, not all children become immune to the diseases that these vaccinations are intended for.
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NervousNell
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
A non vaccinated child can spread diseases to babies who are too young to be vaccinated. Example- you can't get the MMR until at least 12 months, sometimes they give it later.
Babies who are under that age can get the measles from an older child who has it because their parents did not vaccinate.
So there is that.
There are also children who CAN'T be vaccinated due to health issues. One of which is a severe allergy to something in the vaccine.
These children were protected by herd immunity- but now that herd immunity is dying off and old diseases are making a come back.
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seaside
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Here's the answer to your (good) question. It affects other kids for a few reasons. For whatever reason, sometimes kids aren't 100% immune after a shot. Maybe they're 95% immune. So if they meet the wrong kid on the wrong day incubating the wrong thing, they will get sick.
The thing that makes the vaccines work big picture is that they make the diseases less prevalent---sometimes extinct altogether. If you never have to worry about someone coming across your path with the disease, this 95% safe becomes 100% safe.
Then there are people who, because of age or other vulnerabilities, really can't get the vaccine and they have to depend on the fact that they will rarely (if ever) encounter it. Diseases mutate too, so the less frequently a disease gets transmitted, the safer everyone is, vaccinated or unvaccinated.
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| Posted 2/3/15 2:14 PM |
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Seawolf
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Ty for these answers! Very informative.
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MrsA1012
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I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
All true but can unvaccinated John affect vaccinated Mary? The answer is no. Correct me if i am wrong. As an aside, my mom and all her siblings had measles and were just fine. I bet many of our parents around here had it as children. I'm not anti vax, but I find the hype around measles extreme. The rate of death and complications is so low. I'm sure your kid had a greater chance of dying in an accident. Not saying, I'd want to contract it, but it isn't Ebola !
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melbalalala
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Being that I'm VERY good at worrying, I am scared to death of my kids becoming immuno-compromised for some God awful reason in the future and being exposed to these awful disease coming back. Or my parents... or my husband... or anyone I care about, including Dr. Payne.
This is firing me up, I think I'm going to add this topic to your rage post... 
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seaside
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
The thing is that we got rid of measles (which does lead to complications and death more often than is acceptable)--and now it's back and prepared to spread through the population.
The cost of living or even being here should be having to vaccinate.
Our laws are full of prohibitions against dong things and refraining from doing things that harm others. Why is this so open to choice?
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HomeIsWithU
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by BriBri2u
From what I understand no vaccine is 100% effective. Therefore, not all children become immune to the diseases that these vaccinations are intended for.
^This exactly. A great example is chicken pox. Even if your child is vaccinated there's a possibility that they could catch it if the vaccination didn't fully take effect. We see it all the time. Now take that same situation and apply it to a deadly disease.
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Seawolf
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by melbalalala
Being that I'm VERY good at worrying, I am scared to death of my kids becoming immuno-compromised for some God awful reason in the future and being exposed to these awful disease coming back. Or my parents... or my husband... or anyone I care about, including Dr. Payne.
This is firing me up, I think I'm going to add this topic to your rage post...
Dr. Payne actually administered my MMR for me right after his EI pride announcements.
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seaside
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
I thought unvaccinated John could infect vaccinated Mary if she was not rendered 100% immune by her vaccination.
Isn't this true?
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| Posted 2/3/15 2:24 PM |
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melbalalala
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by KittyShops
Posted by melbalalala
Being that I'm VERY good at worrying, I am scared to death of my kids becoming immuno-compromised for some God awful reason in the future and being exposed to these awful disease coming back. Or my parents... or my husband... or anyone I care about, including Dr. Payne.
This is firing me up, I think I'm going to add this topic to your rage post...
Dr. Payne actually administered my MMR for me right after his EI pride announcements.
The Scooby Doo band-aids he used after those shot always took the sting away
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Seawolf
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Anyway, ty for the info. Like I said, I don't have children, and if I did I would most likely have my child have at least the MMR, IPV, HIB and those basic ones. Probably wouldn't do the Heps or the Chicken Pox, but don't know.
I just wanted some information on a topic that is sort of being forced on me, and I wanted to be informed 
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HomeIsWithU
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by MrsA1012
All true but can unvaccinated John affect vaccinated Mary? The answer is no.
That's the very point of this thread. Unvaccinated John CAN affect vaccinated Mary. Vaccines act differently in different people. Not everyone becomes 100% immune to the disease if they're vaccinated. So, if Mary's vaccine didn't fully immunize her, then she is susceptible to contracting the disease if she comes in contact with an infected John.
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NervousNell
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by HomeIsWithU
Posted by MrsA1012
All true but can unvaccinated John affect vaccinated Mary? The answer is no.
That's the very point of this thread. Unvaccinated John CAN affect vaccinated Mary. Vaccines act differently in different people. Not everyone becomes 100% immune to the disease if they're vaccinated. So, if Mary's vaccine didn't fully immunize her, then she is susceptible to contracting the disease if she comes in contact with an infected John.
Exactly. And that is where we rely on herd immunity.
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by HomeIsWithU
Posted by MrsA1012
All true but can unvaccinated John affect vaccinated Mary? The answer is no.
That's the very point of this thread. Unvaccinated John CAN affect vaccinated Mary. Vaccines act differently in different people. Not everyone becomes 100% immune to the disease if they're vaccinated. So, if Mary's vaccine didn't fully immunize her, then she is susceptible to contracting the disease if she comes in contact with an infected John.
Yes. I believe its called the cocooning effect.
An example: my niece was fully vaccinated for pertussis and got it anyway.
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LSP2005
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by HomeIsWithU
Posted by MrsA1012
All true but can unvaccinated John affect vaccinated Mary? The answer is no.
That's the very point of this thread. Unvaccinated John CAN affect vaccinated Mary. Vaccines act differently in different people. Not everyone becomes 100% immune to the disease if they're vaccinated. So, if Mary's vaccine didn't fully immunize her, then she is susceptible to contracting the disease if she comes in contact with an infected John.
Exactly. And that is where we rely on herd immunity.
mrsA1012 unfortunately, you are mistaken. Even if vaccinated Mary had both does of Mmr she may not have developed immunity. Not everyone does. This is even more of a problem for a child who has only received one for the two doses. Most of those children who were partially vaccinated do no have full immunity so they can still get sick.
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mattsgirl1013
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by NervousNell
A non vaccinated child can spread diseases to babies who are too young to be vaccinated. Example- you can't get the MMR until at least 12 months, sometimes they give it later.
Babies who are under that age can get the measles from an older child who has it because their parents did not vaccinate.
So there is that.
There are also children who CAN'T be vaccinated due to health issues. One of which is a severe allergy to something in the vaccine.
These children were protected by herd immunity- but now that herd immunity is dying off and old diseases are making a come back.
This exactly. I have a newborn and with all that's going on with the measles, it's scary. I work in a school and was very careful during my pregnancy because, despite being fully vaccinated,I didn't want to put myself or my baby at risk.
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MrsA1012
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by LSP2005
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by HomeIsWithU
Posted by MrsA1012
All true but can unvaccinated John affect vaccinated Mary? The answer is no.
That's the very point of this thread. Unvaccinated John CAN affect vaccinated Mary. Vaccines act differently in different people. Not everyone becomes 100% immune to the disease if they're vaccinated. So, if Mary's vaccine didn't fully immunize her, then she is susceptible to contracting the disease if she comes in contact with an infected John.
Exactly. And that is where we rely on herd immunity.
mrsA1012 unfortunately, you are mistaken. Even if vaccinated Mary had both does of Mmr she may not have developed immunity. Not everyone does. This is even more of a problem for a child who has only received one for the two doses. Most of those children who were partially vaccinated do no have full immunity so they can still get sick.
. Fair enough. I stand corrected. I wonder what the statistical likelihood is of the vaccinated child catching it though ? It is high risk or extremely low risk ?
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HomeIsWithU
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by MrsA1012
Posted by LSP2005
Posted by NervousNell
Posted by HomeIsWithU
Posted by MrsA1012
All true but can unvaccinated John affect vaccinated Mary? The answer is no.
That's the very point of this thread. Unvaccinated John CAN affect vaccinated Mary. Vaccines act differently in different people. Not everyone becomes 100% immune to the disease if they're vaccinated. So, if Mary's vaccine didn't fully immunize her, then she is susceptible to contracting the disease if she comes in contact with an infected John.
Exactly. And that is where we rely on herd immunity.
mrsA1012 unfortunately, you are mistaken. Even if vaccinated Mary had both does of Mmr she may not have developed immunity. Not everyone does. This is even more of a problem for a child who has only received one for the two doses. Most of those children who were partially vaccinated do no have full immunity so they can still get sick.
. Fair enough. I stand corrected. I wonder what the statistical likelihood is of the vaccinated child catching it though ? It is high risk or extremely low risk ?
For those people who did not become immune to the disease, I believe their chances of contracting measles is as great as someone who was never vaccinated. Essentially, the vaccine does nothing to their immune system.
Also keep in mind that measles in particularly is VERY contagious. More than 90% of people who come in contact with the virus will be infected.
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jessnbrian
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I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Yes. If I have a school aged child who is in class with a non-vaccinated child, and I have an infant at home, my infant, who is too young for the vaccination, is now at risk. Additionally, these are diseases that were all but eradicated in the US because of the vaccinations. Also, if you vaccinate your child and then they become immunocompromized your child, though vaccinated, is now at risk. There is no reason for anti-vaccination that sits well with me, I'm sorry, but that's just how I feel. Why should I have to worry about my father, who lives in California and could have been exposed to the measles outbreak, being around my infant son when he comes in for my brother's wedding because some people feel that they are above vaccinations?
The HEPS & Chicken pox (though we all likely had chicken pox as children) are actually important pieces of the vaccinations. If you had chicken pox as a child you are severely at risk for developing shingles as an adult... have you ever met someone who had shingles? The pain does not usually just go away. If you have it in early adulthood and middle age, the pain goes away at the time, but when you become elderly, good gracious, you should see half of the shingles patients we see in our neurology practice... as it is neurological pain.
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jessnbrian
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by Summergrl73
While it would not necessarily impact your vaccinated child, it could impact your children who are below the age that could be vaccinated. For example, if your school age child was sneezed or coughed on, the virus can live in the droplets for up to 2 hours. They can then bring the virus home to your other child who has not been vaccinated because they are not yet a year old. In addition, some children cannot be vaccinated because they are suffering from other diseases like cancer. In my opinion, it is very selfish not to vaccinate.
I completely agree.
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casey31
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Re: I have a (possibly dumb) question about vaccinations
Posted by MrsA1012
All true but can unvaccinated John affect vaccinated Mary? The answer is no. Correct me if i am wrong. As an aside, my mom and all her siblings had measles and were just fine. I bet many of our parents around here had it as children. I'm not anti vax, but I find the hype around measles extreme. The rate of death and complications is so low. I'm sure your kid had a greater chance of dying in an accident. Not saying, I'd want to contract it, but it isn't Ebola !
Yes, the death rate is low but it is still there. Also, if a mom gets it while pregnant the fetus can suffer severe effects.
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